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- Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:49:48 EST DCXETFlF No.67984
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Here's the new trek show you asked for Bro
https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/star-trek-lower-decks-cast-cbs-all-access-1203274360/
https://www.tor.com/2019/07/20/star-trek-lower-decks-really-does-look-like-rick-and-morty/
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Corporal Kelly - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:51:27 EST DCXETFlF No.67985 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Corporal Kelly - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:52:15 EST DCXETFlF No.67986 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Corporal Kelly - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:53:25 EST DCXETFlF No.67987 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Corporal Kelly - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:54:44 EST DCXETFlF No.67988 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Corporal Kelly - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:55:32 EST DCXETFlF No.67989 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Corporal Kelly - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:56:53 EST DCXETFlF No.67990 Reply
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Don't miss it, I know you'll love it
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Guinan - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 20:26:22 EST b048m/L8 No.67991 Reply
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>>67984
>>67984
>>67984
>>67984

>ugly animation in lockstep with Rick and Morty
>Bajoran security officer

Ugh fuck this shit

Are they also going to claim this is the first black female captain in star trek?
there are a lot especially if you include admirals
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Penk - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 21:17:49 EST rOtkztUk No.67992 Reply
I don't have CBS All Access, and I never will.
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Donik - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 21:22:46 EST GXnxVYUu No.67994 Reply
>>67991
Proof that there is a filthy Bajoran in the new TAS? That grumpy elderly cat doctor seems like a fine character either way.

Honestly, I like Rick And Morty's animation. This looks worse than that.
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Guinan - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 22:09:12 EST b048m/L8 No.67995 Reply
>>67994
Zoom in on the OP image. Observe the nose ridges, the earring, the stench of hasperat. And look at how comically buff they made him. Jesus fuck. Ugh. Provided this image is legit, and it appears it is, this already indicates a pro-Bajoran propaganda vehicle
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Penk - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 23:25:12 EST rOtkztUk No.67996 Reply
And just why in the hell is this titled "lower decks" but featuring bridge crew?
those articles might answer this but it's really a rhetorical question as I know the real answer is because the people making this are fucking hacks who want to invoke the memory of a beloved TNG episode but who don't give a fuck if that episode has anything to do with their trash, knockoff, damaged goods, piece of shit, hope it costs people behind it money and/or jobs, cartoon show
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Guinan - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 03:04:52 EST q+ftfeAn No.67998 Reply
>>67994
Dr Squanchy does look like a potentially interesting character.
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Nurse Jabara - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 03:25:32 EST AnrC52/o No.67999 Reply
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>>67998
Yeah she was. The burly, alien security guard as well. And the first officer who's growing some sort of beard.

At least they skipped stealing from season 1. Fucking talentless plagiarist pieces of dog shit.
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Hugh - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:44:45 EST ijvMdNMp No.68024 Reply
Les Moonves is a rapist. Never forget.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 23:57:53 EST KA3qn+7B No.68026 Reply
That's gonna be a yikes from me, fam.
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G'Quan - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 01:33:19 EST 5SVJcPG+ No.68027 Reply
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>>67984
Just looks like Final Space with an older crew. They even look like the crew from Final Space and have the same animation style as well as a dysfunctional crew.
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Dr. Reyga - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 06:19:31 EST bItnVUyT No.68028 Reply
>>67996
I wonder if the bridge crew will be reoccurring minor characters. In a tiny no significant ship the junior officers will regularly interact with the senior ones. On the enterprise D Picard wouldn't even argue directly with heads of department, on Voyager Janeway often only had an ensign between her and the crewmen. The senior officers being that single shot while a bunch of ensigns get their own shot makes me think this is what's happening.

Not sure what to think. We'll see if this is a piece of hack work or not soon enough. It's possible that CBS have (accidentally) hired someone who gives a shit about trek and despite their intentions it might be alright. Or it might just suck.
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Temporal Agent Daniels - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:07:52 EST MUJ4M6tq No.68029 Reply
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>>67984
I don't know what I expected but this is somehow much worse
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Commander Tebok - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:49:57 EST p+NjiXNG No.68030 Reply
>>68027
Jesus, you'd think these fucks would've learned their lesson after the Tardigrades lawsuit. Star Trek is best when it's trying to be Star Trek. Fans want Star Trek to be Star Trek. What is wrong with these people and why do they hate Star Trek?
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M'ret - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:08:58 EST BeZpsBFi No.68031 Reply
>>68027
I was gonna point that out. It might be more due to this being the current "in" style of cartoons more than anything though.
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Guinan - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:42:17 EST q+ftfeAn No.68032 Reply
>>68028
>>67995
It sounds like they're doing exactly that.. I read some article about it and they basically said basically "the bridge crew thinks they're the main characters, but it's actually these losers"

It's clear that CBS feels genuinely threatened by Orville, because this (to me) looks like it just wants to draw that audience (since CBS hasn't figured out what that audience is and thinks le funny joke is why people like Orville)
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Eliminator Leck - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:35:37 EST P1kqxtg7 No.68034 Reply
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>>67984
well, we'll just have to wait to see how rule34 reacts to this
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Guinan - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:05:08 EST b048m/L8 No.68035 Reply
>>68034
Riker should just be legs, his torso and head far above the visible field
Hes not tall enough
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Captain Edward Jellico - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:42:07 EST GXnxVYUu No.68050 Reply
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>>68047
He was that rugged in the TV show too. pic related
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G'Quan - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 23:28:29 EST 5SVJcPG+ No.68053 Reply
>>68031
IDK, man. They characters look an awfully lot alike except older.
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Kathryn Janeway - Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:16:03 EST 6C6kcMFd No.68078 Reply
>>67984
Man, fuck this shit. I'm kinda into Rick & Morty. I honestly don't know if I'll be able to enjoy that show anymore knowing it drove a knife in the back of my favorite show.

>>68027
Yeah, that's what I thought of that. That and the fact that Final Space is fucking awful.
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Grand Nagus Gint - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:19:17 EST 9O52TY/4 No.68108 Reply
>>68078
I think you can't hate on someone for stabbing a corpse that's already been party to munging. Also I was really skeptical about some of their other crossover shit but they actually delivered because they actually gave a fuck.

Most likely outcomes are either a good comedy that's poor trek the same way that flareverse film 1 was a serviceable action film that should have been kept outside trek. Or it sucks.

It's possible that if Harmon gives as much of a fuck about Trek as Seth Rogan does, or even half as much it could legitimately be good. If the execs let it. But they won't.
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Lt. Cmdr. Argyle - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 11:03:52 EST eRBmx1YV No.68163 Reply
>>68078
Dan Harmon (Rick & Morty co-creator) is not involved in this project. I've listened to at least a hundred episodes of his podcast Harmontown and he rarely, if ever mentions Trek, so I don't think he was a big fan of it growing up.
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Yeggie - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 13:28:54 EST Ck0P8QKP No.68164 Reply
>>68157
Well then fuck knows if it'll be good.

I guess the proof is in the pudding but I think my previous assessment stands.
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Ensign McFarlane - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 04:55:27 EST 2PMvnQg3 No.68166 Reply
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>>68164
>If it'll be good
>IF
I remember being young and optimistic about my favorite franchise
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Guinan - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 12:36:27 EST b048m/L8 No.68320 Reply
>>68312
Pretty sure its on Netflix, or was
It's entertaining but incredibly short, not particularly compelling but sometimes weird. Pilot episode is fucking lit and feel like a decent TOS episode, but the rest is just alright.
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Jal Culluh - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:03:10 EST GXnxVYUu No.68345 Reply
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>>68312
It's called TAS (The Animated Series). Like Guinan said, it's alright. Some episodes feel like a kids show, but some are great, like when Spock goes back to Vulcan for some reason (was pretty high when I saw it). The animation kinda feels like Scooby Doo to me.
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Q - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 00:17:32 EST bOlOhkyn No.68347 Reply
>>68345
yeah there's a few eps that are on par with good TOS, some that probably could have been if they got a few more rewrites but are still decent enough TOS, and even when it's goofy it's no worse than the goofy parts of TOS
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Corporal R Ryan - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 13:31:27 EST 5nxxFwp/ No.68350 Reply
>>68345
Much like TOS it suffered for it's medium. I think TAS suffered differently because it was a cartoon.

There's some good shit in there. Larry Niven even guest wrote an episode.
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Senator Pardek - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:46:44 EST 3I+80Vkt No.68356 Reply
>>68350
TAS was hamstrung by Filmation being the cheapest fucks in the business. TAS had stories that were easily on the level of TOS, but it was hard to take seriously when say, McCoy was on the bridge while Kirk talked to him in Sickbay.
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Lwaxana Troi - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 21:25:25 EST qxosunFH No.68359 Reply
>>68347

I'm curious now. Can you recommend some TAS that feels like it would have "worked" as TOS episodes? That is, Episodes that are campy, but because of their presentation not because of the actual writing? Nothing dumber than catspaw or spocks brain, I guess.
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Weyoun 6 - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:29:06 EST iTsFF14k No.68360 Reply
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>>67984
This looks like the worst thing in the god dam world.
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Major Rakal - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 23:29:12 EST bOlOhkyn No.68361 Reply
>>68359
definitely watch Yesteryear
https://archive.org/download/StarTrekTasS01E03OneOfOurPlanetsIsMissing/Star%20Trek%20Tas%20S01E02%20Yesteryear.mp4
hands down best ep of TAS, referenced in later Trek works, by DC Fontana, one of several TAS eps that follow up on TOS episodes
good stuff and feels

I'll try to dig through some others so I can say which ones without "the one where [blow the episode] happens"
there's not _that_ many to go through, and similarly there's not _that_ much with the TOS cast so you'll probably want to hit them all
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Legate Damar - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:12:48 EST lQfc/M7f No.68365 Reply
they realize that the show can actually look good, right? It's okay, guys, you can do a cartoon that isn't for kids that doesn't look like rick and morty or family guy
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:42:16 EST KA3qn+7B No.68381 Reply
>>68365
When was the last time you saw an adult cartoon that didn't have mediocre drawing and animation? Besides some Anime
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Belongo - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:57:16 EST 5nxxFwp/ No.68397 Reply
>>68381
Pilot aside venture brothers was pretty distinct. Good? Not sure. But it wasn't by the numbers at least.

Most anime is poorly drawn garbage too though.

>I miss when they recycled hana barbera cartoons and made a talk show though
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Natima Lang - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:03:55 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68405 Reply
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>>68397
I miss when they recycled one scifi cartoon into a comedy show
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:19:07 EST KA3qn+7B No.68406 Reply
>>68397
True Venture Bros is really nice looking.
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Jake Sisko - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 12:23:30 EST TmQ7cGS0 No.68459 Reply
>>68381
late reply but yeah, that's what I'm saying, they always all look like shit. probably moonbeam city or something, that show looked amazing even if it was just outrun Archer
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Ambassador Shras - Tue, 15 Oct 2019 11:47:28 EST eXtAYEC/ No.68929 Reply
>>68405
Shit, how hard would it be to recycle TAS into an adult swim styled parody?
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Lt. Talas - Tue, 15 Oct 2019 19:23:57 EST UCtSOIvx No.68932 Reply
>>68931
And now that CBS is more fan friendly than ever I'm sure they'd be thrilled if someone were to.
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Groundskeeper Boothby - Wed, 16 Oct 2019 02:59:41 EST cz2TWSOJ No.68933 Reply
>>68931
TAS is almost there, all you'd have to do is amend the dialogue a little.
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Lt. Cmdr. Calvin Hudson - Fri, 18 Oct 2019 13:06:00 EST 6n4k+JMT No.68962 Reply
>>68933
Some of the episodes only need a little nudge to go over the edge. Recursive giant spocks for example. But at the same time some of the episodes could go further and should. Niven's episode has so much potential.

This is going to be bandcamp all over again though. My friends sat down at a pub around 2007 and discussed what the future of music distribution could be using an on line platform and around that time someone else dreamed up bandcamp which was the model we'd dreamed up. Hell it'd just about launched and we didn't even know.
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Ikat'ika - Sun, 27 Oct 2019 13:23:43 EST OI3//Vl7 No.69000 Reply
I AM TRIGGERED BY THE SKIN TONE OF A PERSON IN AUTHORITY IN A FICTIONAL FUTURISTIC SETTING WHERE RACISM HAS MOSTLY BEEN ELIMINATED
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Thomas Riker - Sun, 27 Oct 2019 17:27:43 EST bOlOhkyn No.69002 Reply
>>69000
you seem to be the only person expressing that idea here
what are some episodes of star trek that you like?
please tell us about why you like them and when you first saw them
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Thomas Riker - Sun, 27 Oct 2019 18:24:41 EST bOlOhkyn No.69004 Reply
>>69003
I guess he doesn't like DS9?
I'm sure such a sincere poster will have well-worded opinions about star trek
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Julius Eaton - Mon, 28 Oct 2019 21:41:16 EST eXtAYEC/ No.69016 Reply
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Tendi better be fetish bait, that could make the show tolerable.
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Pavel Chekov - Tue, 29 Oct 2019 19:26:23 EST 8FQ4H7RS No.69032 Reply
Idk, it could be good. At the very least it'll have a more episodic format than Discovery and Picard, and thank fuck for that because imo Star Trek really isn't well-suited for a season-long serialized style. Discovery's weak point imo isn't the canon retcons, space battles, or even atrocious technobabble, it's the departure from an episodic style. RLM is 100% right in comparing the focus on Burnham to being like if they focused on Spock completely in TOS. Spock is a great character, but he can't carry a show on his own. If Discovery had a more general focus on its entire cast like the ensembles of previous shows and what Lower Decks will have, I think it would be leagues better. So Lower Decks going back to that style is at least somewhat reassuring. The first season is going to be rough FOR SURE, but I'm at least tentatively interested in seeing where it goes.

>>69003
In my experience, the kind of Star Trek fan who screeches about that shit in modern media will claim to like Sisko, but when you actually press them on it either the whole delusion falls apart, or it just turns out they like Sisko in spite of him being Black, many times both.

>>69016
There's no way they aren't at least going to bring that up as a joke. The whole mind control through seduction thing is probably goign to be a key plot point in at least one episode.
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Captain Edward Jellico - Wed, 30 Oct 2019 19:16:23 EST bOlOhkyn No.69034 Reply
>>69033
war crimes only make fictional characters cooler
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Private W Woods - Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:51:44 EST EV/aB13e No.69037 Reply
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>>69033

Not trying to be a dick, but what specifically did he do that was criminal?
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Lt. Cmdr. Dexter Remmick - Thu, 31 Oct 2019 02:27:40 EST Srn1Xlxm No.69038 Reply
>>69037
falsified evidence of a conspiracy, he told the romulans that the dominion was planning to molest them so the the roms would join the federation defense against the imminent dominion invasion. he may or may not have had his pet spoonhead engineer a shuttle explosion so that nobody would find out that the dominion sussed him.

he also gassed a whole planet to make it unlivable.
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Lt. Maxwell Burke - Thu, 31 Oct 2019 07:00:28 EST cD4r78yo No.69039 Reply
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>>69037
>posts worthless whiny bitch
>asks what crimes sisko committed
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Private W Woods - Thu, 31 Oct 2019 19:24:45 EST EV/aB13e No.69040 Reply
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>>69039

It was the first gif I could find of sisko being edgy, relax.


>>69038

Jesus, I kinda blanked on all that. I'm definitely going to do a rewatch of ds9 with this in mind.
tbh I still love sisko as a character, but maybe I'm just remembering pre-dominion war sitcom ds9.


On topic, I have an unreasonable feeling this might be a passable show, but I really think the Seth McFarlane art style is alienating--especially to trekkies.
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Guinan - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 00:29:31 EST b048m/L8 No.69041 Reply
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>>69040
>Seth McFarlane is influencing the Trek cartoon
>He has a very trek-like show (the good kinda trek not the toh'paH nutrek shiet that only fucking P'taQs can enjoy)
>It is quite possibly going to die due to drama
>Viacom and CBS are in the process of merging, which would rejoin the shattered pieces of Trek IP under a single company once again, the owner of which is all about preserving and continuing Trek as a 'family heirloom'.

The time is now.
HIRE SETH MACFARLANE TO BE THE SHOWRUNNER OF STAR TREK
HE'S THE LESS RETARDED SPIRITUAL SUCCESSOR TO RICK BERMAN AND YOU KNOW IT
SEARCH YOUR FEELINGS
YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE


Who's with me?
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Worf - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 04:45:42 EST 3iJDWOhv No.69043 Reply
>>69041
The Orville's rapid decline into 'character development' and rehashed plots would make me think twice about that. He'd obviously still do a better job than whats currently coming out I guess.
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Enabran Tain - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 10:34:10 EST MK/eZg5v No.69044 Reply
>>69040
The episode is called "In the Pale Moonlight" amd is probably my favorite trek of all time
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Natima Lang - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 20:59:37 EST 2ysCqvY+ No.69045 Reply
>>69043
It's only two seasons deep what do you want? Cliche birth and wedding filler? Dangle a main characters death only to make it all better by the end of a two partner?
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Species 8472 - Sat, 02 Nov 2019 08:40:08 EST EI2mnXeT No.69048 Reply
>>69045
>It's only two seasons deep what do you want? Cliche birth and wedding filler? Dangle a main characters death only to make it all better by the end of a two partner?
Both of those are exactly the opposite of what I want and are what lies at the end of the path S2 started going down. I want SF plots not endless riffs on 'Moclans bad just like that really popular S1 episode'.
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Greskrendtregk - Mon, 17 Feb 2020 08:36:16 EST 5fAx+yeY No.69653 Reply
>>69041
>seth mcfarlane
he had his shot with the orville but i couldnt fucking stand how the first season is just
>huuh huuh i have a failing marriage and my wife fucked a blue dude huuh huuh
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Mon, 17 Feb 2020 18:58:32 EST ZAnqIwnj No.69668 Reply
>>69651
It's supposed to come out sometime this year.
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Badar N'D'D - Mon, 24 Feb 2020 18:01:45 EST UPx9B1ur No.69765 Reply
>>69653
I will never understand the hate for the Orville, its more faithful to TOS than even TNG tonewise. Maybe thats exactly the reason though, too much humour and not enough "dramatic character progression".
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Seskal - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 10:50:03 EST h8ZyTy5H No.69767 Reply
>>69765
Can't please everyone. I thought Orville S1 was just right and S2 had too much character progression.
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Nyota Uhura - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:16:12 EST jwjJ078M No.69772 Reply
>>69765
>I will never understand the hate for the Orville, its more faithful to TOS than even TNG tonewise. Maybe thats exactly the reason though, too much humour and not enough "dramatic character progression".
S1 is like a comedy TOS taking the single idea of the week and running with i. There were a few missteps and a bit too much focus early on on the Ed/Kelly that they tended to fix as it went on. S2 started the 'character progression' nonsense instead of science fiction plots. Still better than outright soap opera shows like BSG and still watchable but if it gets much worse in S3 I'll probably give up on the show.
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Amanda Grayson - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:50:21 EST jK+BjYHd No.69773 Reply
>>69765
Boy, I feel bad for you if you think anything Seth Macfarlane writes is humorous.
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DaiMon Torrot - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:51:40 EST pc6ZHQiv No.69774 Reply
>>69772
>There were a few missteps and a bit too much focus early on on the Ed/Kelly that they tended to fix as it went on.

This shit is the network's fault. You can absolutely tell by how they were trying to sell the show before it came out. Whoever higher ups thought it needed to have some goddamn family relationship sitcom garbage in it.

I'm sure Discovery and Picard have been getting similar pressures and never bothered to buck them.
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Jaresh-Inyo - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 23:26:09 EST bOlOhkyn No.69775 Reply
>>69774
I suspect Orville is Family Guy guy straight-up lying and saying he's making a comedy and then putting in as little effort towards that as possible in order to just make his damn star trek show
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DaiMon Torrot - Wed, 26 Feb 2020 00:23:52 EST pc6ZHQiv No.69776 Reply
>>69775
It's definitely not as little effort as possible.

But it's definitely not a focus at the expense of the sci-fi or the drama. If anything it's just leaning in a little bit to the type of humor Star Trek already had.
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DaiMon Torrot - Wed, 26 Feb 2020 00:31:10 EST pc6ZHQiv No.69777 Reply
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>>69775
And of course the occasional direct parody of ST (What about the automatic fire suppression?), and the real world reference stuff like all of the Avis jokes.
Then there's the weird shit like the Dolly Parton speech in Season 2, which is utterly sincere and treated in much the way a lot of literature type stuff was in TNG, yet just a fuckin' hilarious choice of words.
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Admiral Owen Paris - Wed, 26 Feb 2020 05:21:54 EST q61djBEk No.69779 Reply
>>69777
My only issue with the Orville is when Seth's hamfisted atheism bleeds all over everything i.e. religion is totally 100% bad and irreemable with no redeeming charachterstics of any kind what so ever.

Like, the episode where Kelly inadvertently starts being worshipped as a god and religion is portrayed simply as some Gibbonsesque interpretation of Medieval Catholicism, Borgia Popes, Inquisition and all. And then at the end of the episode they just say religion is a temporary hinderance every society goes through.

There is no discussion fo the possible sociological benefits of religion, or aesthetics on this society, just religion in 100% bad.

Sure, maybe I shouldn't expect a nuanced discussiion on the anthropological implications of religion from a scifi programme, or from the creator of Family Guy, however, classic trek was able to do it. Not just DS9 with all the Bajoran mumbojumbo, but TOS and Voy managed it, and even TNG did it.

Aside from that, I love the Orville.
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Nyota Uhura - Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:53:16 EST jwjJ078M No.69780 Reply
>>69774
>>69775
There was definitely a lot of comedy in S1 and a fair bit in S2 but he did more or less claim he really turned up the generic sitcom humour in the first few episodes just to get it funded. I found the later S1 humour to be pretty enjoyable.
>>69773
American Dad was plenty funny from about S2 to S9. Then again apparently he had less influence on the writing and mostly just did voice acting.
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Nyota Uhura - Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:02:59 EST jwjJ078M No.69781 Reply
>>69779
>religion is totally 100% bad and irreemable with no redeeming charachterstics of any kind what so ever.
>There is no discussion fo the possible sociological benefits of religion
In terms of organised religion he's not wrong, assuming you have a population that's good enough at critical thinking to not simply adopt something else as a pseudo-religion (see: how people treat certain brands of extreme politics nowadays). The sociological benefits you gain from it can be replicated by having a population able to come up with its own morality which, assuming Trek levels of education, is pretty easily achievable.
>Not just DS9 with all the Bajoran mumbojumbo, but TOS and Voy managed it, and even TNG did it.
DS9 is too sympathetic to religion, and TNG has the episode where Picard accidentally becomes a god and he outright says that not having a religion is a cultural achievement. I'm not sure what TOS episode I'd say was nuanced in that regard though there are enjoyable episodes like the Greek gods turning out to be aliens which does explore the idea of religion having a basis in fact.

>Like, the episode where Kelly inadvertently starts being worshipped as a god and religion is portrayed simply as some Gibbonsesque interpretation of Medieval Catholicism, Borgia Popes, Inquisition and all. And then at the end of the episode they just say religion is a temporary hinderance every society goes through.
We still have religious violence and oppression in almost every country developed or otherwise. It's pretty fair to say organised religion has been and continues to be a hindrance.

Organised religion is generally a negative. Non-organised religion is mostly just a curiosity or personal indulgence.
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Stonn - Thu, 27 Feb 2020 11:34:11 EST q61djBEk No.69786 Reply
>>69781
>In terms of organised religion he's not wrong

I dissagree, take Europe for example, the impact medieval Catholicism had on the development of the university system, archetecture, the Parisian Inquisition's clamping down on overtly materialistic readings of Aristotle leading to the development 'modern science' urbanism are all well and good, and then you have various unique Christian theological concerns manifesting into Synods that were rather succesful at constraining violence amongst the various princes. Most importantly I point out the development of Thomistic-Personalism that would later translate into the secular concept of individual rights.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of negatives, but there are also plenty of benefits (and some benefits which we have today in the west which we don't see in other societies in the world simply because they did not go through the Christian experience).

Like, Seth could have his inquisitions at the like, but also perhaps show some benefits i.e. Kelly being percieved as a healing goddess could have lead to the development of a society that culturally percieves medicine and altruism as something very important.

>DS9 is too sympathetic to religion

I would say DS9 is spot on when it comes to an honest portrayal of religion. Leaving aside whether the Prophets are actual gods or just hyper evolved aliens, you see the importance of the Bajoran religion in maintaining a stable culture and social cohesion in the aftermath of the occupation, and the Kais seem to benormal people, rather than charicatures.

On the other hand you see Bajoran religion tending towards extreme racism and religious terrorism in some cases, and they also have their own heretics that are punished.

This is why I like DS9, it doesn't flip to either extreme.

>TNG has the episode where Picard accidentally becomes a god and he outright says that not having a religion is a cultural achievement.

True (but I thought that was more to do with the ramifications of breaking the Prime Directive), but you also have the episode with the clone of Kahless where he goes very William Jamesesque and goes on about the importance of Kahless' message for Klingon society even if he isn't really the return of Kahless.

>I'm not sure what TOS episode I'd say was nuanced in that regard though there are enjoyable episodes like the Greek gods turning out to be aliens which does explore the idea of religion having a basis in fact.

Yeah, and while the message does seem to state the need for society to grow up, Spock also points out the good aspects of Greek religion.

But TOS does seem to be a bit weird, a good few episodes feel more like something out of Lovecraft than Asimov.

>We still have religious violence and oppression in almost every country developed or otherwise. It's pretty fair to say organised religion has been and continues to be a hindrance.

We also still have plenty of violence surrounding liberal democracy, that doesn't mean that liberal democracy isn't an inherently flawed concept of a hinderance in itself.
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Admiral Chekote - Mon, 02 Mar 2020 23:07:30 EST v/mIhHdg No.69842 Reply
>>69786
>empiricism developed because of catholicism and this is why the west won
brainlet
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G'Quan - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 20:21:37 EST 5SVJcPG+ No.70476 Reply
>>70474
Star Trek: Lower Decks is the first animated series to join the expanding Star Trek franchise on CBS All Access, which includes hit original series Star Trek: Picard; Star Trek: Discovery, returning with season three later this year; the recently announced

>U.S.S. Enterprise set series Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

>development of a Section 31-based series with Michelle Yeoh.

>A CG-animated Star Trek series aimed at younger audiences is also in the works for Nickelodeon.

Maybe since there will be SIX different Trek shows airing at the same time at least one of them will be decent. I do like Jerry O' Connell though. Sliders was great for a while there. Shame what it turned into at the end.
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Torg - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 16:36:47 EST 2PMvnQg3 No.70482 Reply
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>>70476
>which includes hit original series Picard and Discovery
Why does CBS just lie to peoples faces like that
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Vekma - Sun, 12 Jul 2020 16:05:37 EST eXtAYEC/ No.70484 Reply
Come on Anony, Look at this
https://streamable.com/affpq8
Your new favorite show right here
Sorry beforehand if the video is dead, because you will only see it way after I posted it.
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Guinan - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:51:13 EST b048m/L8 No.70489 Reply
>>67984
..so I watched a little 'Final Space' since the consensus seems to be this show is a ripoff of that, and I have to say, that was one of the worst things I have ever watched
Roddenberry weeps
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Menos - Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:06:05 EST 6C6kcMFd No.70508 Reply
>>70489
Yeah, Final Space is pure trash. The trailer for this looks like pure trash.
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William T Riker - Mon, 20 Jul 2020 16:56:48 EST Hv1hojni No.70509 Reply
>>70489
The whole point of trek is to be inspirational, People on these ship are meant to models for humanity. The notion that idiots would have gotten thought star fleet is absurd.
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Neelix - Mon, 20 Jul 2020 23:26:45 EST JbyLr5gR No.70513 Reply
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>>70509
I agree with you about Trek being inspirational, but it is unrealistic to think that there aren't fuck ups in there. I am thinking of the goofballs on Voyager that Janeway almost died trying to inspire.
Rick and Morty style humor mixed with Star Trek is like curdled cream. Futurama did it right by coming up with a whole new premise.
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Neelix - Mon, 20 Jul 2020 23:26:45 EST JbyLr5gR No.70514 Reply
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>>70509
I agree with you about Trek being inspirational, but it is unrealistic to think that there aren't fuck ups in there. I am thinking of the goofballs on Voyager that Janeway almost died trying to inspire.
Rick and Morty style humor mixed with Star Trek is like curdled cream. Futurama did it right by coming up with a whole new premise.
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Lwaxana Troi - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:19:27 EST 6C6kcMFd No.70518 Reply
>>70513
It's not even Rick & Morty style humor. Like someone up there pointed out, it's more like Final Space. It looks like it, because it's the same animation studio, but the humor is the same as well. Even some of the characters are near identical to Final Space characters. Whiny, incompetent white guy and powerful leader black lady seem like carbon copies of their Final Space counterparts. And the design of the Caitian doctor is identical to the cat people from Final Space. I'm halfway convinced they decided to put a Caitian in there because they at least already knew how to do that. And the rapid-fire random jokes, well, they're a staple of shitty American comedy, but it's still closer to Final Space than to Rick & Morty.

And I mean what I said up there, too. Final Space is pure garbage. I don't think I made it past episode 3. Think what you want of Rick & Morty, but its humor is firmly rooted in its core concept. The humor in Final Space is completely independent from its concept. The entire show might as well take place in high school, or in a corporate office, or in a Fantasy world, or any other setting you might think of. The whole space thing is just set dressing. I get the same impression from this trailer, and that's also the problem everything "Trek" since the first JJTrek has had: It's something else just shoehorned into the Trek name (and, for the very first time, the Trek aesthetic) so audiences are more willing to accept it as something worthwhile to watch. After all, who has ever heard of Final Space?
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Dr. Antaak - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:50:15 EST 2PMvnQg3 No.70519 Reply
>>70518
Ugh tell me about it. I checked out Final Space and made it maybe two eps before all the retarded middle school humor made me want throw myself out an airlock
>ZOMG COOKIES LOLOLOLOL
Like Jesus fuck, bottom of the barrel shit
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Kor - Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:58:42 EST UggbRoKu No.70521 Reply
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>>67984
Kill it with photon torpedos
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Ensign Miral Paris - Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:06:16 EST 6C6kcMFd No.70523 Reply
So I was watching this Zombieland 2 review, and Zombieland 2 is apparently terrible. Not entirely unexpected, as Zombieland was a bit of a sleeper hit, and Zombieland 2 flew under the radar like an Israeli commando team. And this bit immediately reminded me of the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-WmQ-ebwxM&t=12m44s

It's basically the blast shield gag. Is this a thing in modern comedy? A character repeating a simple action while doing a weird voice? Or am I just now noticing this shit because all other comedy I've seen it happen in actually thinks to add a joke?
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General Krim - Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:52:33 EST jwjJ078M No.70524 Reply
>>70523
>It's basically the blast shield gag. Is this a thing in modern comedy? A character repeating a simple action while doing a weird voice? Or am I just now noticing this shit because all other comedy I've seen it happen in actually thinks to add a joke?
It comes from the writers who don't really have confidence in their personality so in real life try that shit to be funny instead.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 09:15:16 EST KmwkQQCM No.70526 Reply
>>70523
I saw Zombieland 2 in the theater and liked it but it wasn't as good as the first one. I did enjoy the scene where Columbus and Tallahassee meet their doppelgangers Albuquerque and Flagstaff.

But yeah that gag is nothing new.
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Nanpart Malor - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:00:37 EST cZ7WZrpD No.70538 Reply
I will have to start smoking weed again to get through this.
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Ambassador Thoris - Thu, 06 Aug 2020 18:58:48 EST 6C6kcMFd No.70572 Reply
>>67984
First episode is out. I watched it. Figured I'd give it a fresh look rather than getting my opinions from YouTubers who either love it or hate it, and I can tell which before I even click the video.

It's terrible.

Yes, big surprise. I'll say one thing: They really got the look right. It looks the way you'd expect post-TNG Trek to look like, and you've got a bunch of familiar races and stuff in the background. Pretty good. Well, except for the aliens on the planet of the week, who's design was shit and unimaginative. I'm pretty sure their appearance was meant to be a joke, but it wasn't a funny one.

I guess that's my segway to the humor. Oh God, these writers don't understand what comedy is. There's one proper joke in the entire episode. You know, something with setup and payoff. Pathetic Whiny White Dude says he thinks the warp core is more entertaining than the holodeck, and then the two other characters call up locations they consider special, and when Pathetic Whiny White Dude is asked he thinks really hard and says the warp core. It ain't much, but it's a functional joke. The rest is all just stream of consciousness lol random writing in the vein of those Rick & Morty intergalactic TV episodes, except it doesn't have Rick & Morty's gimmick of literally anything being not only possible, but expected. So what does it boil down to? The characters talking/yelling. Constantly. They never shut up. There's a Red Letter Media review of Ghostbusters 2016 somewhere, where they point out that one of the movie's problems is that it mistakes volume for quality and the characters never shut up. That's what this is. It pretty much all relies on the yuck-yuck factor, but ti fires "jokes" at you so fast it's hard to linger on one. I've just watched it, and I can barely think of any real cohesive example. There's one "joke" where Pathetic Whiny White Dude is covered in the episode's cure, and Doctor Cat points out he's worthless, it's the stuff that's valuable. So funny. The entire episode in general just blows through its plot points at light speed, and the characters have zero effect on the plot they're a part of. This is pretty unsatisfying, and makes it come across as a jumbled mess of a plot.

The characters suck. Pathetic Whiny White Dude and Strong Capable Black Chick are easily the worst, because they talk the most. Especially Strong Capable Black Chick never shuts up and her voice actress has a voice like a hungry caterpillar in your ear canal. I fucking hate these two. Eager Beaver Green Chick and Boring Cyborg Dude are more palatable in comparison. But Green Chick doesn't get a lot of screentime, and Boring Cyborg Dude is just pretty fucking boring. His schtick is that he has a Vulcan implant, and sometimes it malfunctions. That's literally how they introduce the character. Yeah, top comedy. Oh, he shows another example of the shitty comedy in this show: So the crew of the ship starts behaving like zombies while he's in the bar on a date. But instead of acknowledging the severity of the situation they just go on doing and saying date stuff while they escape! Hilarious! Frankly, only Doctor Cat seems like a character that could be enjoyable to watch.

I don't think I'll be back for a repeat visit. The insane pace makes episodes seem longer than they are, and it's pretty tiring to watch.
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David Marcus - Fri, 07 Aug 2020 03:09:36 EST jwjJ078M No.70577 Reply
>>70572
>Frankly, only Doctor Cat seems like a character that could be enjoyable to watch.
At least that's consistent with other lower quality Trek shows: the Doctor is always the most watchable thing.
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wilwheatonscocknballs - Sun, 09 Aug 2020 19:22:57 EST QOaDL5v4 No.70594 Reply
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The writing is what you expect, the voice acting is ok, the blend of 3D and computer drawn graphics looks great even though the characters are drawn like a copy pasta American webcomic.

>>68027
Hot take, Final Space is just trek in disguise.

>>70572
>I don't think I'll be back for a repeat visit
sure thing bud, see you next week.
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IrishNuke - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 18:56:52 EST y/CA3nWi No.70598 Reply
>>70594

That image reminded me of the intro of Star Trek Armada 2
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whilwheatonscocknballs - Fri, 14 Aug 2020 02:16:24 EST QOaDL5v4 No.70613 Reply
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>sir there's a small asteroid in the way what should we do?
>initiate the Janeway protocol


>>70608
Computer, end program
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Captain Rixx - Fri, 14 Aug 2020 15:48:13 EST Y1AbFfe9 No.70614 Reply
Watched first episode.

It makes hot garbage look appealing.
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Darlene Kursky - Sun, 16 Aug 2020 07:04:37 EST iIXJ+uT5 No.70626 Reply
Perhaps I am reading into this too much, but...

Boimler is hopeful, professional, sticks to the rules, believes in the Federation and cares about what it stands for. He represents old trek, and of course he is always wrong.

Mariner is cynic, rebellious, breaks the rules for the lulz, doesn't give a fuck about the Federation and thinks it sucks. She represents nu-trek, and of course she is always right.
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Guinan - Sun, 16 Aug 2020 10:20:06 EST b048m/L8 No.70628 Reply
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>>70626
I think you nailed it
It's just a hard pill to swallow
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G'Quan - Sun, 16 Aug 2020 23:43:11 EST 5SVJcPG+ No.70630 Reply
>>70626
Checked out the first two eps. This is pretty spot on. If they wanted Mariner to be the character she is they should have just made her a Section 31 operator doing crazy solo missions. Its dumb as fuck that she's been all over the galaxy doing crazy shit, stationed on tons of ships, and has tons of SF training but is somehow just a lowly young ensign. The character is actually insufferable the way its set up now. She straight up murders a lifeform in the opening of Ep 2 and what kind of person sees their supposed friend get their dream assignment and goes to their mommy to not only get assigned the mission they don't want but also have the friend relegated to co-pilot just to make them suffer That simp story line was pretty fucked up too.

Also kind of funny that the OP pic is 4 characters that are at best background characters.

They also put out THREE fucking specials before the second ep even came out.

This show is so anti-trek it hurts. Only positive thing I have to say about the show is that it does have classic title music and its probably the best title sequence(or at least the most "authentic") out of all the NuTrek.
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Tavek - Mon, 17 Aug 2020 06:02:28 EST 6C6kcMFd No.70631 Reply
>>70626
>>70630
Mariner is just a horrible character, and she has all the signs of a Mary Sue. The Federation only sucks when she says it sucks, but when the other characters are dealing with the bridge crew, it's all fine. She's in the paradoxical situation where she dislikes her job and what it represents, expresses that often and loudly, and is not only tolerated in her position, but excels in it. She's consistently horrible to the people around her, but it's all OK because she did one nice thing. I've heard rumors that the main writer/showrunner is simping for Mariner's voice actress. As in, he has sort of a crush on her, and has said he's basically just writing the character the way the actress is. Which, of course, means she literally can't do anything wrong.

The other characters have some potential for what the show is trying to be. I'm still not particularly fond of what the show is trying to be, but at least it could work. Boimler is a rule-stickler nerd with ambition, but no experience. Tendi is the starry-eyed recent recruit who's yet to become jaded at gruntwork. Rutherford is a guy with loads of potential but no real ambition. These are characters who could work in a setting like this, and play well off each other. Except there's Mariner, sitting like a big, fat turd in the limelight. She hogs every scene she's in, which is most scenes. She comes with a shitload of flat-out exposition-dumped history that only serves to aggrandize her. Her main character traits are paradoxical for her situation and clash harshly with those of the other characters. The other characters mostly have positive traits, even the habitually dumped-on Boimler. Dude's a little phaser-happy, but that's really it. Mariner, meanwhile, is a very random character who's mostly defined by her rejection of authority. But she's an officer in Starfleet. Her job is, literally, to BE the authority. As she does frequently, and condescendingly, with Boimler.

Without Mariner the show might be watcheable. Not good, but at least not making me feel worse for watching it. I guess she does represent NuTrek, in the sense that both her and NuTrek sit there bitching about how they don't like where they are, and everything needs to change, and it's all other people's fault, while the best and easiest way to achieve that would be to go do literally anything else.
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Captain Braxton - Sat, 05 Sep 2020 01:20:04 EST UggbRoKu No.70695 Reply
The OP music is lit. Too bad everything else is crap. *sigh*
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Elim Garak - Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:59:11 EST H6SnhWkj No.70747 Reply
I hate that it normalizes nepotism... Mariner is the captain's daughter ffs.
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Vice Admiral Leyton - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 00:56:05 EST z9YUOs6r No.70755 Reply
>>70747
She's also like 30 and still an ensign.

Evens out.
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Vice Admiral Leyton - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 01:01:33 EST z9YUOs6r No.70756 Reply
>>70631
If the theories about her age are right...
She's not a mary sue, she's a hyper-underachieving Riker.

They don't bother ot address it but people have inferred from clues. So what she is, is someone who should be a bridge officer, yet is still an ensign for whatever reason.

I wish they would address it because it would help her characterization a lot if confirmed.
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Sarah Sisko - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 03:14:12 EST TTcXb8JG No.70758 Reply
>>70756
>They don't bother ot address it but people have inferred from clues. So what she is, is someone who should be a bridge officer, yet is still an ensign for whatever reason.
Harry Kim?
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Sarah Sisko - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 21:40:00 EST TTcXb8JG No.70761 Reply
>>70760
I always thought that was called the command officer test or something. My bad.
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Captain Goroth - Sun, 11 Oct 2020 08:30:55 EST H6SnhWkj No.70792 Reply
Fucking Kurtzman couldn't even be bothered to do a suitable ending in the finale. Instead he opted to not only do the opposite by having the Rikers show up in an OP ship, blasting there's a two minute "nanana " sequence afterwards to rub it in our faces that he made that anti-trek ending decision and there's nothing we could do about it.

Whoever pays for that shit?
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Lt. JG Saavik - Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:02:35 EST 2PMvnQg3 No.70793 Reply
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>>70792
Shame on you for watxhing the entire season, what did you think was gunna happen? That it was gunna be good?
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Dexter Remmick - Fri, 16 Oct 2020 18:58:28 EST xXdUGzuV No.70812 Reply
>>70792
It has nice ideas but felt like Rick & Morty with Star Trek aesthetics.
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Sarpek the Fearless - Sun, 18 Oct 2020 04:26:14 EST xXdUGzuV No.70820 Reply
>>70814
Why was she in Star Trekick Hard anyways? TNG & Voyager crews didn't meet afaik.
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Pah-wraith - Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:07:53 EST ZIQRDEai No.70833 Reply
>>68345
TAS gets shit on but I view it as basically a chance for the TOS writers to do all the episodes their effects department noped.

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