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- Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:49:48 EST DCXETFlF No.67984
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Here's the new trek show you asked for Bro
https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/star-trek-lower-decks-cast-cbs-all-access-1203274360/
https://www.tor.com/2019/07/20/star-trek-lower-decks-really-does-look-like-rick-and-morty/
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Corporal Kelly - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:51:27 EST DCXETFlF No.67985 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Corporal Kelly - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:52:15 EST DCXETFlF No.67986 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Corporal Kelly - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:53:25 EST DCXETFlF No.67987 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Corporal Kelly - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:54:44 EST DCXETFlF No.67988 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Corporal Kelly - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:55:32 EST DCXETFlF No.67989 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Corporal Kelly - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:56:53 EST DCXETFlF No.67990 Reply
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Don't miss it, I know you'll love it
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Guinan - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 20:26:22 EST b048m/L8 No.67991 Reply
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>>67984
>>67984
>>67984
>>67984

>ugly animation in lockstep with Rick and Morty
>Bajoran security officer

Ugh fuck this shit

Are they also going to claim this is the first black female captain in star trek?
there are a lot especially if you include admirals
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Penk - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 21:17:49 EST rOtkztUk No.67992 Reply
I don't have CBS All Access, and I never will.
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Donik - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 21:22:46 EST GXnxVYUu No.67994 Reply
>>67991
Proof that there is a filthy Bajoran in the new TAS? That grumpy elderly cat doctor seems like a fine character either way.

Honestly, I like Rick And Morty's animation. This looks worse than that.
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Guinan - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 22:09:12 EST b048m/L8 No.67995 Reply
>>67994
Zoom in on the OP image. Observe the nose ridges, the earring, the stench of hasperat. And look at how comically buff they made him. Jesus fuck. Ugh. Provided this image is legit, and it appears it is, this already indicates a pro-Bajoran propaganda vehicle
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Penk - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 23:25:12 EST rOtkztUk No.67996 Reply
And just why in the hell is this titled "lower decks" but featuring bridge crew?
those articles might answer this but it's really a rhetorical question as I know the real answer is because the people making this are fucking hacks who want to invoke the memory of a beloved TNG episode but who don't give a fuck if that episode has anything to do with their trash, knockoff, damaged goods, piece of shit, hope it costs people behind it money and/or jobs, cartoon show
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Guinan - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 03:04:52 EST q+ftfeAn No.67998 Reply
>>67994
Dr Squanchy does look like a potentially interesting character.
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Nurse Jabara - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 03:25:32 EST AnrC52/o No.67999 Reply
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>>67998
Yeah she was. The burly, alien security guard as well. And the first officer who's growing some sort of beard.

At least they skipped stealing from season 1. Fucking talentless plagiarist pieces of dog shit.
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Hugh - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:44:45 EST ijvMdNMp No.68024 Reply
Les Moonves is a rapist. Never forget.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 23:57:53 EST KA3qn+7B No.68026 Reply
That's gonna be a yikes from me, fam.
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G'Quan - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 01:33:19 EST 5SVJcPG+ No.68027 Reply
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>>67984
Just looks like Final Space with an older crew. They even look like the crew from Final Space and have the same animation style as well as a dysfunctional crew.
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Dr. Reyga - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 06:19:31 EST bItnVUyT No.68028 Reply
>>67996
I wonder if the bridge crew will be reoccurring minor characters. In a tiny no significant ship the junior officers will regularly interact with the senior ones. On the enterprise D Picard wouldn't even argue directly with heads of department, on Voyager Janeway often only had an ensign between her and the crewmen. The senior officers being that single shot while a bunch of ensigns get their own shot makes me think this is what's happening.

Not sure what to think. We'll see if this is a piece of hack work or not soon enough. It's possible that CBS have (accidentally) hired someone who gives a shit about trek and despite their intentions it might be alright. Or it might just suck.
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Temporal Agent Daniels - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:07:52 EST MUJ4M6tq No.68029 Reply
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>>67984
I don't know what I expected but this is somehow much worse
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Commander Tebok - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:49:57 EST p+NjiXNG No.68030 Reply
>>68027
Jesus, you'd think these fucks would've learned their lesson after the Tardigrades lawsuit. Star Trek is best when it's trying to be Star Trek. Fans want Star Trek to be Star Trek. What is wrong with these people and why do they hate Star Trek?
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M'ret - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:08:58 EST BeZpsBFi No.68031 Reply
>>68027
I was gonna point that out. It might be more due to this being the current "in" style of cartoons more than anything though.
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Guinan - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:42:17 EST q+ftfeAn No.68032 Reply
>>68028
>>67995
It sounds like they're doing exactly that.. I read some article about it and they basically said basically "the bridge crew thinks they're the main characters, but it's actually these losers"

It's clear that CBS feels genuinely threatened by Orville, because this (to me) looks like it just wants to draw that audience (since CBS hasn't figured out what that audience is and thinks le funny joke is why people like Orville)
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Eliminator Leck - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:35:37 EST P1kqxtg7 No.68034 Reply
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>>67984
well, we'll just have to wait to see how rule34 reacts to this
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Guinan - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:05:08 EST b048m/L8 No.68035 Reply
>>68034
Riker should just be legs, his torso and head far above the visible field
Hes not tall enough
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Captain Edward Jellico - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:42:07 EST GXnxVYUu No.68050 Reply
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>>68047
He was that rugged in the TV show too. pic related
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G'Quan - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 23:28:29 EST 5SVJcPG+ No.68053 Reply
>>68031
IDK, man. They characters look an awfully lot alike except older.
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Kathryn Janeway - Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:16:03 EST 6C6kcMFd No.68078 Reply
>>67984
Man, fuck this shit. I'm kinda into Rick & Morty. I honestly don't know if I'll be able to enjoy that show anymore knowing it drove a knife in the back of my favorite show.

>>68027
Yeah, that's what I thought of that. That and the fact that Final Space is fucking awful.
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Grand Nagus Gint - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:19:17 EST 9O52TY/4 No.68108 Reply
>>68078
I think you can't hate on someone for stabbing a corpse that's already been party to munging. Also I was really skeptical about some of their other crossover shit but they actually delivered because they actually gave a fuck.

Most likely outcomes are either a good comedy that's poor trek the same way that flareverse film 1 was a serviceable action film that should have been kept outside trek. Or it sucks.

It's possible that if Harmon gives as much of a fuck about Trek as Seth Rogan does, or even half as much it could legitimately be good. If the execs let it. But they won't.
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Lt. Cmdr. Argyle - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 11:03:52 EST eRBmx1YV No.68163 Reply
>>68078
Dan Harmon (Rick & Morty co-creator) is not involved in this project. I've listened to at least a hundred episodes of his podcast Harmontown and he rarely, if ever mentions Trek, so I don't think he was a big fan of it growing up.
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Yeggie - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 13:28:54 EST Ck0P8QKP No.68164 Reply
>>68157
Well then fuck knows if it'll be good.

I guess the proof is in the pudding but I think my previous assessment stands.
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Ensign McFarlane - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 04:55:27 EST 2PMvnQg3 No.68166 Reply
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>>68164
>If it'll be good
>IF
I remember being young and optimistic about my favorite franchise
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Guinan - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 12:36:27 EST b048m/L8 No.68320 Reply
>>68312
Pretty sure its on Netflix, or was
It's entertaining but incredibly short, not particularly compelling but sometimes weird. Pilot episode is fucking lit and feel like a decent TOS episode, but the rest is just alright.
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Jal Culluh - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:03:10 EST GXnxVYUu No.68345 Reply
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>>68312
It's called TAS (The Animated Series). Like Guinan said, it's alright. Some episodes feel like a kids show, but some are great, like when Spock goes back to Vulcan for some reason (was pretty high when I saw it). The animation kinda feels like Scooby Doo to me.
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Q - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 00:17:32 EST bOlOhkyn No.68347 Reply
>>68345
yeah there's a few eps that are on par with good TOS, some that probably could have been if they got a few more rewrites but are still decent enough TOS, and even when it's goofy it's no worse than the goofy parts of TOS
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Corporal R Ryan - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 13:31:27 EST 5nxxFwp/ No.68350 Reply
>>68345
Much like TOS it suffered for it's medium. I think TAS suffered differently because it was a cartoon.

There's some good shit in there. Larry Niven even guest wrote an episode.
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Senator Pardek - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:46:44 EST 3I+80Vkt No.68356 Reply
>>68350
TAS was hamstrung by Filmation being the cheapest fucks in the business. TAS had stories that were easily on the level of TOS, but it was hard to take seriously when say, McCoy was on the bridge while Kirk talked to him in Sickbay.
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Lwaxana Troi - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 21:25:25 EST qxosunFH No.68359 Reply
>>68347

I'm curious now. Can you recommend some TAS that feels like it would have "worked" as TOS episodes? That is, Episodes that are campy, but because of their presentation not because of the actual writing? Nothing dumber than catspaw or spocks brain, I guess.
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Weyoun 6 - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:29:06 EST iTsFF14k No.68360 Reply
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>>67984
This looks like the worst thing in the god dam world.
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Major Rakal - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 23:29:12 EST bOlOhkyn No.68361 Reply
>>68359
definitely watch Yesteryear
https://archive.org/download/StarTrekTasS01E03OneOfOurPlanetsIsMissing/Star%20Trek%20Tas%20S01E02%20Yesteryear.mp4
hands down best ep of TAS, referenced in later Trek works, by DC Fontana, one of several TAS eps that follow up on TOS episodes
good stuff and feels

I'll try to dig through some others so I can say which ones without "the one where [blow the episode] happens"
there's not _that_ many to go through, and similarly there's not _that_ much with the TOS cast so you'll probably want to hit them all
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Legate Damar - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:12:48 EST lQfc/M7f No.68365 Reply
they realize that the show can actually look good, right? It's okay, guys, you can do a cartoon that isn't for kids that doesn't look like rick and morty or family guy
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:42:16 EST KA3qn+7B No.68381 Reply
>>68365
When was the last time you saw an adult cartoon that didn't have mediocre drawing and animation? Besides some Anime
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Belongo - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:57:16 EST 5nxxFwp/ No.68397 Reply
>>68381
Pilot aside venture brothers was pretty distinct. Good? Not sure. But it wasn't by the numbers at least.

Most anime is poorly drawn garbage too though.

>I miss when they recycled hana barbera cartoons and made a talk show though
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Natima Lang - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:03:55 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68405 Reply
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>>68397
I miss when they recycled one scifi cartoon into a comedy show
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:19:07 EST KA3qn+7B No.68406 Reply
>>68397
True Venture Bros is really nice looking.
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Jake Sisko - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 12:23:30 EST TmQ7cGS0 No.68459 Reply
>>68381
late reply but yeah, that's what I'm saying, they always all look like shit. probably moonbeam city or something, that show looked amazing even if it was just outrun Archer
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Ambassador Shras - Tue, 15 Oct 2019 11:47:28 EST eXtAYEC/ No.68929 Reply
>>68405
Shit, how hard would it be to recycle TAS into an adult swim styled parody?
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Lt. Talas - Tue, 15 Oct 2019 19:23:57 EST UCtSOIvx No.68932 Reply
>>68931
And now that CBS is more fan friendly than ever I'm sure they'd be thrilled if someone were to.
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Groundskeeper Boothby - Wed, 16 Oct 2019 02:59:41 EST cz2TWSOJ No.68933 Reply
>>68931
TAS is almost there, all you'd have to do is amend the dialogue a little.
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Lt. Cmdr. Calvin Hudson - Fri, 18 Oct 2019 13:06:00 EST 6n4k+JMT No.68962 Reply
>>68933
Some of the episodes only need a little nudge to go over the edge. Recursive giant spocks for example. But at the same time some of the episodes could go further and should. Niven's episode has so much potential.

This is going to be bandcamp all over again though. My friends sat down at a pub around 2007 and discussed what the future of music distribution could be using an on line platform and around that time someone else dreamed up bandcamp which was the model we'd dreamed up. Hell it'd just about launched and we didn't even know.
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Ikat'ika - Sun, 27 Oct 2019 13:23:43 EST OI3//Vl7 No.69000 Reply
I AM TRIGGERED BY THE SKIN TONE OF A PERSON IN AUTHORITY IN A FICTIONAL FUTURISTIC SETTING WHERE RACISM HAS MOSTLY BEEN ELIMINATED
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Thomas Riker - Sun, 27 Oct 2019 17:27:43 EST bOlOhkyn No.69002 Reply
>>69000
you seem to be the only person expressing that idea here
what are some episodes of star trek that you like?
please tell us about why you like them and when you first saw them
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Thomas Riker - Sun, 27 Oct 2019 18:24:41 EST bOlOhkyn No.69004 Reply
>>69003
I guess he doesn't like DS9?
I'm sure such a sincere poster will have well-worded opinions about star trek
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Julius Eaton - Mon, 28 Oct 2019 21:41:16 EST eXtAYEC/ No.69016 Reply
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Tendi better be fetish bait, that could make the show tolerable.
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Pavel Chekov - Tue, 29 Oct 2019 19:26:23 EST 8FQ4H7RS No.69032 Reply
Idk, it could be good. At the very least it'll have a more episodic format than Discovery and Picard, and thank fuck for that because imo Star Trek really isn't well-suited for a season-long serialized style. Discovery's weak point imo isn't the canon retcons, space battles, or even atrocious technobabble, it's the departure from an episodic style. RLM is 100% right in comparing the focus on Burnham to being like if they focused on Spock completely in TOS. Spock is a great character, but he can't carry a show on his own. If Discovery had a more general focus on its entire cast like the ensembles of previous shows and what Lower Decks will have, I think it would be leagues better. So Lower Decks going back to that style is at least somewhat reassuring. The first season is going to be rough FOR SURE, but I'm at least tentatively interested in seeing where it goes.

>>69003
In my experience, the kind of Star Trek fan who screeches about that shit in modern media will claim to like Sisko, but when you actually press them on it either the whole delusion falls apart, or it just turns out they like Sisko in spite of him being Black, many times both.

>>69016
There's no way they aren't at least going to bring that up as a joke. The whole mind control through seduction thing is probably goign to be a key plot point in at least one episode.
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Captain Edward Jellico - Wed, 30 Oct 2019 19:16:23 EST bOlOhkyn No.69034 Reply
>>69033
war crimes only make fictional characters cooler
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Private W Woods - Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:51:44 EST EV/aB13e No.69037 Reply
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>>69033

Not trying to be a dick, but what specifically did he do that was criminal?
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Lt. Cmdr. Dexter Remmick - Thu, 31 Oct 2019 02:27:40 EST Srn1Xlxm No.69038 Reply
>>69037
falsified evidence of a conspiracy, he told the romulans that the dominion was planning to molest them so the the roms would join the federation defense against the imminent dominion invasion. he may or may not have had his pet spoonhead engineer a shuttle explosion so that nobody would find out that the dominion sussed him.

he also gassed a whole planet to make it unlivable.
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Lt. Maxwell Burke - Thu, 31 Oct 2019 07:00:28 EST cD4r78yo No.69039 Reply
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>>69037
>posts worthless whiny bitch
>asks what crimes sisko committed
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Private W Woods - Thu, 31 Oct 2019 19:24:45 EST EV/aB13e No.69040 Reply
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>>69039

It was the first gif I could find of sisko being edgy, relax.


>>69038

Jesus, I kinda blanked on all that. I'm definitely going to do a rewatch of ds9 with this in mind.
tbh I still love sisko as a character, but maybe I'm just remembering pre-dominion war sitcom ds9.


On topic, I have an unreasonable feeling this might be a passable show, but I really think the Seth McFarlane art style is alienating--especially to trekkies.
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Guinan - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 00:29:31 EST b048m/L8 No.69041 Reply
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>>69040
>Seth McFarlane is influencing the Trek cartoon
>He has a very trek-like show (the good kinda trek not the toh'paH nutrek shiet that only fucking P'taQs can enjoy)
>It is quite possibly going to die due to drama
>Viacom and CBS are in the process of merging, which would rejoin the shattered pieces of Trek IP under a single company once again, the owner of which is all about preserving and continuing Trek as a 'family heirloom'.

The time is now.
HIRE SETH MACFARLANE TO BE THE SHOWRUNNER OF STAR TREK
HE'S THE LESS RETARDED SPIRITUAL SUCCESSOR TO RICK BERMAN AND YOU KNOW IT
SEARCH YOUR FEELINGS
YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE


Who's with me?
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Worf - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 04:45:42 EST 3iJDWOhv No.69043 Reply
>>69041
The Orville's rapid decline into 'character development' and rehashed plots would make me think twice about that. He'd obviously still do a better job than whats currently coming out I guess.
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Enabran Tain - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 10:34:10 EST MK/eZg5v No.69044 Reply
>>69040
The episode is called "In the Pale Moonlight" amd is probably my favorite trek of all time
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Natima Lang - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 20:59:37 EST 2ysCqvY+ No.69045 Reply
>>69043
It's only two seasons deep what do you want? Cliche birth and wedding filler? Dangle a main characters death only to make it all better by the end of a two partner?
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Species 8472 - Sat, 02 Nov 2019 08:40:08 EST EI2mnXeT No.69048 Reply
>>69045
>It's only two seasons deep what do you want? Cliche birth and wedding filler? Dangle a main characters death only to make it all better by the end of a two partner?
Both of those are exactly the opposite of what I want and are what lies at the end of the path S2 started going down. I want SF plots not endless riffs on 'Moclans bad just like that really popular S1 episode'.
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Greskrendtregk - Mon, 17 Feb 2020 08:36:16 EST 5fAx+yeY No.69653 Reply
>>69041
>seth mcfarlane
he had his shot with the orville but i couldnt fucking stand how the first season is just
>huuh huuh i have a failing marriage and my wife fucked a blue dude huuh huuh
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Mon, 17 Feb 2020 18:58:32 EST ZAnqIwnj No.69668 Reply
>>69651
It's supposed to come out sometime this year.
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Badar N'D'D - Mon, 24 Feb 2020 18:01:45 EST UPx9B1ur No.69765 Reply
>>69653
I will never understand the hate for the Orville, its more faithful to TOS than even TNG tonewise. Maybe thats exactly the reason though, too much humour and not enough "dramatic character progression".
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Seskal - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 10:50:03 EST h8ZyTy5H No.69767 Reply
>>69765
Can't please everyone. I thought Orville S1 was just right and S2 had too much character progression.
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Nyota Uhura - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:16:12 EST jwjJ078M No.69772 Reply
>>69765
>I will never understand the hate for the Orville, its more faithful to TOS than even TNG tonewise. Maybe thats exactly the reason though, too much humour and not enough "dramatic character progression".
S1 is like a comedy TOS taking the single idea of the week and running with i. There were a few missteps and a bit too much focus early on on the Ed/Kelly that they tended to fix as it went on. S2 started the 'character progression' nonsense instead of science fiction plots. Still better than outright soap opera shows like BSG and still watchable but if it gets much worse in S3 I'll probably give up on the show.
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Amanda Grayson - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:50:21 EST jK+BjYHd No.69773 Reply
>>69765
Boy, I feel bad for you if you think anything Seth Macfarlane writes is humorous.
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DaiMon Torrot - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:51:40 EST pc6ZHQiv No.69774 Reply
>>69772
>There were a few missteps and a bit too much focus early on on the Ed/Kelly that they tended to fix as it went on.

This shit is the network's fault. You can absolutely tell by how they were trying to sell the show before it came out. Whoever higher ups thought it needed to have some goddamn family relationship sitcom garbage in it.

I'm sure Discovery and Picard have been getting similar pressures and never bothered to buck them.
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Jaresh-Inyo - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 23:26:09 EST bOlOhkyn No.69775 Reply
>>69774
I suspect Orville is Family Guy guy straight-up lying and saying he's making a comedy and then putting in as little effort towards that as possible in order to just make his damn star trek show
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DaiMon Torrot - Wed, 26 Feb 2020 00:23:52 EST pc6ZHQiv No.69776 Reply
>>69775
It's definitely not as little effort as possible.

But it's definitely not a focus at the expense of the sci-fi or the drama. If anything it's just leaning in a little bit to the type of humor Star Trek already had.
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DaiMon Torrot - Wed, 26 Feb 2020 00:31:10 EST pc6ZHQiv No.69777 Reply
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>>69775
And of course the occasional direct parody of ST (What about the automatic fire suppression?), and the real world reference stuff like all of the Avis jokes.
Then there's the weird shit like the Dolly Parton speech in Season 2, which is utterly sincere and treated in much the way a lot of literature type stuff was in TNG, yet just a fuckin' hilarious choice of words.
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Admiral Owen Paris - Wed, 26 Feb 2020 05:21:54 EST q61djBEk No.69779 Reply
>>69777
My only issue with the Orville is when Seth's hamfisted atheism bleeds all over everything i.e. religion is totally 100% bad and irreemable with no redeeming charachterstics of any kind what so ever.

Like, the episode where Kelly inadvertently starts being worshipped as a god and religion is portrayed simply as some Gibbonsesque interpretation of Medieval Catholicism, Borgia Popes, Inquisition and all. And then at the end of the episode they just say religion is a temporary hinderance every society goes through.

There is no discussion fo the possible sociological benefits of religion, or aesthetics on this society, just religion in 100% bad.

Sure, maybe I shouldn't expect a nuanced discussiion on the anthropological implications of religion from a scifi programme, or from the creator of Family Guy, however, classic trek was able to do it. Not just DS9 with all the Bajoran mumbojumbo, but TOS and Voy managed it, and even TNG did it.

Aside from that, I love the Orville.
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Nyota Uhura - Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:53:16 EST jwjJ078M No.69780 Reply
>>69774
>>69775
There was definitely a lot of comedy in S1 and a fair bit in S2 but he did more or less claim he really turned up the generic sitcom humour in the first few episodes just to get it funded. I found the later S1 humour to be pretty enjoyable.
>>69773
American Dad was plenty funny from about S2 to S9. Then again apparently he had less influence on the writing and mostly just did voice acting.
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Nyota Uhura - Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:02:59 EST jwjJ078M No.69781 Reply
>>69779
>religion is totally 100% bad and irreemable with no redeeming charachterstics of any kind what so ever.
>There is no discussion fo the possible sociological benefits of religion
In terms of organised religion he's not wrong, assuming you have a population that's good enough at critical thinking to not simply adopt something else as a pseudo-religion (see: how people treat certain brands of extreme politics nowadays). The sociological benefits you gain from it can be replicated by having a population able to come up with its own morality which, assuming Trek levels of education, is pretty easily achievable.
>Not just DS9 with all the Bajoran mumbojumbo, but TOS and Voy managed it, and even TNG did it.
DS9 is too sympathetic to religion, and TNG has the episode where Picard accidentally becomes a god and he outright says that not having a religion is a cultural achievement. I'm not sure what TOS episode I'd say was nuanced in that regard though there are enjoyable episodes like the Greek gods turning out to be aliens which does explore the idea of religion having a basis in fact.

>Like, the episode where Kelly inadvertently starts being worshipped as a god and religion is portrayed simply as some Gibbonsesque interpretation of Medieval Catholicism, Borgia Popes, Inquisition and all. And then at the end of the episode they just say religion is a temporary hinderance every society goes through.
We still have religious violence and oppression in almost every country developed or otherwise. It's pretty fair to say organised religion has been and continues to be a hindrance.

Organised religion is generally a negative. Non-organised religion is mostly just a curiosity or personal indulgence.
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Stonn - Thu, 27 Feb 2020 11:34:11 EST q61djBEk No.69786 Reply
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>In terms of organised religion he's not wrong

I dissagree, take Europe for example, the impact medieval Catholicism had on the development of the university system, archetecture, the Parisian Inquisition's clamping down on overtly materialistic readings of Aristotle leading to the development 'modern science' urbanism are all well and good, and then you have various unique Christian theological concerns manifesting into Synods that were rather succesful at constraining violence amongst the various princes. Most importantly I point out the development of Thomistic-Personalism that would later translate into the secular concept of individual rights.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of negatives, but there are also plenty of benefits (and some benefits which we have today in the west which we don't see in other societies in the world simply because they did not go through the Christian experience).

Like, Seth could have his inquisitions at the like, but also perhaps show some benefits i.e. Kelly being percieved as a healing goddess could have lead to the development of a society that culturally percieves medicine and altruism as something very important.

>DS9 is too sympathetic to religion

I would say DS9 is spot on when it comes to an honest portrayal of religion. Leaving aside whether the Prophets are actual gods or just hyper evolved aliens, you see the importance of the Bajoran religion in maintaining a stable culture and social cohesion in the aftermath of the occupation, and the Kais seem to benormal people, rather than charicatures.

On the other hand you see Bajoran religion tending towards extreme racism and religious terrorism in some cases, and they also have their own heretics that are punished.

This is why I like DS9, it doesn't flip to either extreme.

>TNG has the episode where Picard accidentally becomes a god and he outright says that not having a religion is a cultural achievement.

True (but I thought that was more to do with the ramifications of breaking the Prime Directive), but you also have the episode with the clone of Kahless where he goes very William Jamesesque and goes on about the importance of Kahless' message for Klingon society even if he isn't really the return of Kahless.

>I'm not sure what TOS episode I'd say was nuanced in that regard though there are enjoyable episodes like the Greek gods turning out to be aliens which does explore the idea of religion having a basis in fact.

Yeah, and while the message does seem to state the need for society to grow up, Spock also points out the good aspects of Greek religion.

But TOS does seem to be a bit weird, a good few episodes feel more like something out of Lovecraft than Asimov.

>We still have religious violence and oppression in almost every country developed or otherwise. It's pretty fair to say organised religion has been and continues to be a hindrance.

We also still have plenty of violence surrounding liberal democracy, that doesn't mean that liberal democracy isn't an inherently flawed concept of a hinderance in itself.
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Admiral Chekote - Mon, 02 Mar 2020 23:07:30 EST v/mIhHdg No.69842 Reply
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>empiricism developed because of catholicism and this is why the west won
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