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Things you'd ideally like to see in Trek

!cyBOrG7t12 - Sun, 28 Jul 2019 04:16:56 EST KA3qn+7B No.68095
File: 1564301816606.jpg -(694884B / 678.60KB, 792x1178) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Things you'd ideally like to see in Trek
What I want going forward:

>The state of Romulus and it's relationship with the Federation considering all that's happened after the Dominion War and Star Trek: Nemesis.
>The state of the Changelings after years of post-war reflection with Odo
>The relationship with what remains of the Dominion
>What post-Zek Ferenginar is like
>How Cardassia and its NWO is doing
>What sort of culture Hugh and the other individual Borg have developed

I'm also extremely tired of prequels, but I would be interested in coverage of the Cardassian liberation of Bajor.

What, in the realm of Trek lore, do you guys crave to know about?
Timothy Lang - Sun, 28 Jul 2019 04:22:46 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68096 Reply
I'd like to see the Q go back in time with a Mothership and swing down sweet chariot style to pick up George Clinton and the boys and bring them into the trek future for a trans-federation tour

>most of all they need funk, help them find the funk
Michael Sullivan - Sun, 28 Jul 2019 08:29:17 EST cz2TWSOJ No.68098 Reply
> What life is like in the 24th century for people that aren't part of starfleet
Some sort of personal drama taking place on the ground at earth / some colony instead of space.

> Q & Borg origin story, canonized this time
Can even be intertwined, I don't think it will take away the "mystery" if it's done right.

> What ever happened to the Gorn
Srsly we need to know
Thy'lek Shran - Sun, 28 Jul 2019 11:38:33 EST bOlOhkyn No.68099 Reply
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the P-Funk star system should have been in TAS or something
Seskal - Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:05:22 EST Srn1Xlxm No.68138 Reply
Where did the Dominion ships the Sisko miracle's away int he wormhole at the start of the dominion war go?
if they werent just deleted from reality, then somewhere in timespace there is a whole giant ass fleet of lizard-faced Ketrecel junkies having some pretty srs withdrawls.
Seskal - Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:30:37 EST Srn1Xlxm No.68139 Reply
also i've always wanted to see how humanity dealt with the eugenics war. nb for samefagging
K'Ehleyr - Thu, 01 Aug 2019 02:31:27 EST ZR416Pa+ No.68140 Reply
What's always pissed me off in the way Star Trek has operated as a franchise is that TOS and TNG are basically the only two seemingly permitted timeframes. TOS, in it's orbit, has ENT, TAS, STD. TNG has VOY and DS9.

I want them to move on from these two time frames and go into the future. What is the disposition of the Alpha Quadrant as it attempts to rebuild after The Dominion War? How does the fall of The Cardassian Empire change the dynamic of the relationship between, say, for instance, Bajor and Cardassia, or Bajor and the Federation as a whole? How does Cardassia rebuild? There are a lot of really interesting stories to be mined there and that JUST on the subject of Cardassia in the post-Dominion war situation.

The entire disposition of the various powers in the Post-Nemesis/Post-Dominion war Environment is quite literally fucking endless.

Consider the question about the relationship between the Borg and the Alpha quadrant after the events of the VOY series finale? So on, etc.

My point is that this franchise can't turn out to be like Warhammer 40K that insists on literally never moving on into the future and filling in these never ending missing links in either the TOS or TNG era.

I think a lot of what might otherwise be called "thoughtful" (Read: Real) Star Trek fans have a ton of interesting hypothetical considerations and the primary driver of those questions and thoughts is the idea that Star Trek needs and, indeed, has to move forward in the Timeline.

Fuck Alex Kurtzman
Tiron - Thu, 01 Aug 2019 06:04:34 EST 6C6kcMFd No.68141 Reply
Voyager and Enterprise at least made attempts at doing new, different stuff. They were just hamstrung from the start by tons of bad decisions. But they both also got some of the stuff they went for right, so both still have fans today, and both are regarded as "real" Trek, even if that's a tenuous acknowledgement where ENT is concerned. If you could mash VOY and ENT together, I think you'd get some quality Trek. ENT fixed a lot of VOY's mistakes, with its feeling of the crew being out there without support, with worse tech than everyone else, etc. But VOY had stronger characters and overall a better sense of what makes for a compelling science fiction narrative.

But NuTrak isn't making the attempt. It's brand recognition corporate fuckery. Star Trek is a thing people know, and people want to be known as knowing, because it has a reputation of being rather cerebral. Many of those people don't really give a fuck about that cerebral nature on its own. You won't catch them reading Russian literature in their time off, if you catch my drift. So they just apply a Trek shaped brush to an otherwise standard production, and you please that audience. Why do you think it was difficult to even get one show going in the past, yet now they're pinching off loaf after stinking loaf? DSC, Picard, Lower Decks, Section 31. Count 'em, four shows. Four. that's 40% of the canon TV-Trek being made right now, and only if you're courteous enough to count TAS as canon (which you should).

I think I've said it in another post, but if you look at the Star Trek subplebbit, you see a lot of this shit. Red Letter Media "I saw Picard and I clapped" kind of bullshit. Reading people's responses to the Picard trailer felt like I was reading a goddamn parody, it isn't even funny. Seriously, these are real, highly upvoted responses:

>Seven, Data?! Holy shit, they've done it, they've rebooted my childhood.

>I have no response that isn't just screaming like a little girl.

>I’m crying in the break room at work. It’s just so goddamn beautiful, man


>Obviously you never know what Marvel is going to bring, but I do believe Star Trek just won Comic-Con.

Do you need any more proof that we're deep into CyberPunkish corporate dicksucking territory than that last one? Also, I've left out comments that are fapping over Seven of Nine being in the trailer, because it's seriously half of them. Ultimately, that's been the point of Star Trek since 2009: To reference older, better Trek in an effort to have nostalgia rub off some of its quality, and for all the people who never actually watched Trek but heard about it to have something to latch onto.

And that's why the closest to something new you're going to see is Lower Decks.
Weyoun 7 - Thu, 01 Aug 2019 07:00:07 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68142 Reply
>Do you need any more proof that we're deep into CyberPunkish corporate dicksucking territory than that last one?

just in case you do:
>Skittles and Carl's Jr/Hardees have both created off-broadway musicals
>Wendy's and Arby's are making Mario Maker 2 levels
Khan Noonien Singh - Thu, 01 Aug 2019 13:03:52 EST N8PNgOHr No.68145 Reply
I agree with pretty much everything you're saying, but I don't think it's fair to lump the ENT timeline in with TOS.
To the show's credit, ENT is an attempt to put the show in a whole new setting.
There's just as much time separating ENT from TOS as there is separating TOS from TNG.
Admiral William J Ross - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 05:07:29 EST VuZnPxcT No.68167 Reply
Oh, don't mistake me, I totally understand what's happened here- since the CBS/VIacom split we were never going to get real trek but always going to get just shit corporate created committee think trash that just exists for branding/reference purposes.

Going on the tangent for a moment, I not exactly enthralled with the idea of 7 of 9 making some token appearance on one episode. It's action shit.

That's fair- but the problem with ENT is weird creative decisions. Personally, I didn't hate the Temporal stuff- but the worst shit is the last season.
Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 23:58:19 EST yflJl9O1 No.68183 Reply
I wanna know what's going on on the back halfs of the Romulan and Klingon Empires. Also why nobody in the Federation fucks with that part of space where space 9/11 came from in Season 2/3 of Enterprise.

Also the Farpoint aliens from episode 1 of TNG. What are those guys doing?
Corporal Chang - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 18:32:01 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68206 Reply
I just wanna know how long it takes the planet of Giant Spock's to benevolently take over the galaxy
Guinan - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 03:57:52 EST b048m/L8 No.68229 Reply
Aren;t they in some kind of time rift? Or am I getting my TAS episodes mixed up? I was really, really high last time I watched it through
Nurse Alyssa Ogawa - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 04:26:54 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68296 Reply
I don't think so, from what I remember it was just some weird planet and a bunch of giant spocks got cloned and the feds were just like "lol well we'll just stay away from there for awhile"
Nurse Alyssa Ogawa - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 04:55:29 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68300 Reply
and also I guess it doesn't really matter if they ever turn up again because the perfect opportunity has already been missed

it would have been to bring them in as the last minute savior against the Breen weapons in late DS9
Guinan - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 12:41:36 EST b048m/L8 No.68322 Reply
This idea would have been awesome honestly. That particular story thread felt very.. incomplete.
>oh noes breen have nu weapin
>one single klingon ship immune
>ah fuck it let the klingons fight the whole war lol
Thy'lek Shran - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 12:51:24 EST bOlOhkyn No.68324 Reply
who else is going to fight, the feddies? they're all redshirts and exploding consoles
Guinan - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 13:05:29 EST b048m/L8 No.68326 Reply
Honestly it would have been cool if they had to turn to some unlikely ally like the Tholians or like Ogawa said, the planet of the Giant spock
James T Kirk - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 18:48:07 EST yGPwv2Sr No.68372 Reply
A spinoff sitcom set in betazed with lwaxana as the main character
Natima Lang - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 03:14:05 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68390 Reply
by the end of TNG/DS9 I actually hated Diana more than lwaxana
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:17:14 EST udrxi7fH No.68392 Reply
Because she isn't interesting but she acts like everyone should be interested in her and she's loud about it. She also can't stay out of other people's business, or act like an adult when she doesn't get her way.

Diana is just pathetic.
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:56:54 EST udrxi7fH No.68395 Reply
She is better in DS9, I'll give you that.
I've recently come around to Pulaski actually. Used to hate her, now I don't.
Odo, on the other hand, sucks ass and it is purely because of the actor.
Belongo - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:54:38 EST 5nxxFwp/ No.68396 Reply
Pulaski was a character who developed. She also didn't really finish her arc. She was supposed to be old school with her heart in the right place but some weird views and as she was forced to examine things up close she started to re evaluate them. Then suddenly
>Ginger Milf has resumed. Pula-who?
M'Ress - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:59:15 EST PLmcBxBN No.68398 Reply
Pulaski benefitted from having an actually defined character (even if it was mostly a collection of negative traits) unlike Crusher who varies based on what the plot needs today outside of a crush on Picard. She just needed to be less of a budget bones and more her own thing.
Li Nalas - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:56:14 EST 2PMvnQg3 No.68399 Reply
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>Odo on the other hand sucks assand it is purely because of the actor
I dont even know you anymore Therm0
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:43:52 EST udrxi7fH No.68400 Reply
Are you kidding? His acting is so horrendous and out of place. It's like he's a character in a children's show.
Hadley - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:09:01 EST WLJtCX4q No.68403 Reply
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I'm not some Odo fanboy but in that guy's defense he has actually done a decent amount of work outside of Trek unlike a lot of the actors. I feel like that featureless rubber mask he wore was one of the most limiting among all the alien main characters in terms of being able to convey emotions non verbally.

Maybe my perception of his acting ability is colored by the fact that the woman who plays Dax couldn't act her way out of a paper bag.
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:25:45 EST KA3qn+7B No.68407 Reply
Yeah I know but I'm not familiar with his other work, but what I do know is that someone else should have been Odo. Dax's actress may suck, but Odo overacted which was way more painful for me. A better actor could have compensated for the thick make up without looking like a noob.
Gul Evek - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 21:10:53 EST bOlOhkyn No.68408 Reply
I never really had any issue with Odo. Rene Arberneruguariosuars did a fine enough job for my tastes. Trek has traditionally run towards overacting, and he's an evil alien space blob raised by filthy bajorans and goddamn spoonheads, why wouldn't he be a snarling growling jerk built out of bad detective novels?
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 21:14:32 EST KA3qn+7B No.68409 Reply
Those are bad but those aren't the moments I'm referring to. Usually it's when he expresses NON grumpy emotions that he overacts so bad it hurts. Like his face when he decides to stay merged with curzon. Holds that face and turns his head 20 times while the camera zooms for nine hours. Or when he's going on about NEEDING to visit that nebula. It's so shitty I can't handle that he is a main character.
Gul Evek - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 21:51:39 EST bOlOhkyn No.68410 Reply
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ehh, I can sorta see what you're saying, but it didn't bug me really
Cyrano Jones - Fri, 16 Aug 2019 03:40:07 EST yGPwv2Sr No.68411 Reply
I think she has more depth than a lot of other TNG characters. She playfully pushes peoples buttons and oversteps her bounds without completely violating them (with Alexander being the only exception I can think of, but she was acting in what she thought was his best interest) because her whimsical nature is opposed to the highly structured federation outlook. I don't think she would ever want to be seriously disruptive, except when one of her convictions is being tested (like in that suicide episode).

I think it's cool that there's a character who does that at all, I find it refreshing. But when events turn more serious she quickly becomes more focused and serious herself. She's not as frivolous as she initially appears. She is kind of a troll but I don't think she takes it too far and she generally knows when it's appropriate to reign herself in. She's pretty multidimensional, and she demonstrates some competency in spite of superficially seeming to be incompetent. Her sex drive thing is a little grating but that's given an explanation.

Diana in comparison is just kinda flat. I don't hate her, and I think her relationship with barclay (especially in voyager) is endearing, but there isn't much there in terms of characterization.

I dunno she's one of my favorite characters. She has a good mix of baggage and optimism, personal weaknesses and personal strengths.
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:21:20 EST udrxi7fH No.68412 Reply
As a character, you're pretty much right. But like, if it were IRL, i would hate being around her. I guess I like what she does but not her style of it.

Odo on the other hand, IS a character I like sort of, but so poorly executed it hurts.
Gul Evek - Fri, 16 Aug 2019 11:12:01 EST bOlOhkyn No.68413 Reply
I get the idea of her character but I don't find her entertaining to watch on my tv
Nanpart Malor - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 23:38:57 EST Z4iPWkVA No.68443 Reply
depraved holodeck orgies
Katherine Pulaski - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 04:18:45 EST 6C6kcMFd No.68452 Reply
The problem with Diana is that the writers completely miswrote the character she was intended to be, and limited Marina Sirtis in her expression of the character. I think it's because the writers were a bunch of enthusiastic nerds, and they had real trouble with writing a character who has an empathy superpower. Her telepathic abilities are famously useless, and it's all down to bad writing.

Marina Sirtis also plays a really good bitch. Whenever they let her change up her role, she instantly becomes a better actress. Bitchy Diana gives off a real dominatrix vibe, and it works quite well, if you ask me. There's that episode where she has to be a Romulan, and she in-character has to learn to leave her sheepish personality by the wayside and act like she's in charge. I really wish that would have stuck around. But even when she's going for the command test she literally has to be told the answer to the test before she gets it.

Also, Odo is fine. I think they did a good job with making a likable character out of someone who is essentially a massive fascist cunt. It's pretty interesting that he starts out with this reputation of being fair and balanced through no real effort of his own, but then grows into actually being like that over the course of the show.
Guinan - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 09:51:16 EST b048m/L8 No.68455 Reply
..doesnt Troi apply for the command test just a few episodes later?
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 12:08:51 EST udrxi7fH No.68458 Reply
>But even when she's going for the command test she literally has to be told the answer to the test before she gets it.
DaiMon Bok - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 16:16:40 EST WLJtCX4q No.68462 Reply
I always thought Lwaxana was meant to be all bubbly and crazy so you wouldn't realize the ship computer has the same voice.
Guinan - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 16:44:07 EST HANnwJqo No.68463 Reply
Too true lol.. I'm just saiyan that TNG had this weird underlying continuity of character development that is generally pretty subtle and easy to miss.. except in Worfs case where they keep finding ways to recap it and whatnot. But for most everyone else you dont notice it unless you're paying close attention
Weyoun 8 - Thu, 19 Sep 2019 09:05:17 EST u5aj/dMK No.68606 Reply
I wana see 7of9 nude. Full frontal. I think she is shaved, pubes are irrelevent
Jal Culluh - Thu, 19 Sep 2019 16:43:09 EST pglz0HKG No.68608 Reply
On the final episode of gen 3.

>’Previously, on Star Trek...’
>A Blurring cacophany of scenes and moments from all the years before, with important deaths, defining character moments, etc. all mixed with that tuning clatter of an orchestra preparing to perform
> ‘And now...’
>a scene of an important captain, maybe some mentor that passed away, standing at a maestro’s table, in front of an orchestra
> ‘The conclusion... to everything.’
> proceeds to compose either the theme or some appropriate orchestral piece and the camera pans over, lost crewmates and enemies gone to join the choir invisible, ferrying off the Enterprise to its last harrowing mission of this multi-series summation
Joret Dal - Thu, 19 Sep 2019 16:43:43 EST lJHIrRmy No.68609 Reply
everything her leotard covers is still all borg implants and zombie flesh

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