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- Wed, 25 Sep 2019 17:25:07 EST HNqy2bUf No.68667
File: 1569446707958.jpg -(22165B / 21.65KB, 260x194) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Why does the alt-right love Star Trek so much?
Everytime I look at dissident right threads there’s Star Trek discussion going in. There’s the usual Dukat Did Nothing Wrong memes, but there’s also genuine analysis apolitical of stuff. So what makes Star Trek so appealing to the extreme right, despite being a communist utopia?
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Subcommander Velal - Wed, 25 Sep 2019 18:12:09 EST cz2TWSOJ No.68668 Reply
It's just /1701/ and it's about 50/50
Also the board has been slower since kirt nuked /pol/
About half of /1701/ also doesn't even smoke weed.

Yes it's pretty pathetic all things considered but live and let live.
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Lore - Wed, 25 Sep 2019 19:01:58 EST qFgRdyS1 No.68669 Reply
>>68667
Because it's equally as progressive and forward-looking as it is militaristic and plays to the jingoism of the 1960s.

But it's literally only a good thing and plays to the show's lasting relatability.

What isn't good is how whenever these assholes find anything wrong with Discovery they attribute it to their political rivals.
And it's not that there isn't a splash of SJW stallion such and such in Discovery. But there's a WHOLE LOT MORE producer meddling and general trash mismanagement.
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Alexander Rozhenko - Wed, 25 Sep 2019 19:17:29 EST jwjJ078M No.68670 Reply
>>68667
Most of the more modern /pol/ crowd actually hate it because they know nothing beyond mainstream Big Bang Theory memes about it being massively communist. Older people of that persuasion like TOS, at least, because TOS managed to do diversity without feeling massively forced and utopia without excessive conformism. On the subject of Dukat I can understand not liking him specifically but I can't see how anyone can watch DS9 and come out like the Bajorans. A lot of his appeal seems to be the fact the Bajorans are every terrible mixture of fundamentalist religion and ethnic nationalism combined into one big mess.
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Stonn - Wed, 25 Sep 2019 20:08:26 EST bOlOhkyn No.68671 Reply
Dukat did nothing wrong because bajorans are scum
chill out smoke more
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Kevin Mulkahey - Thu, 26 Sep 2019 04:58:05 EST 95sV4ldj No.68683 Reply
>So what makes Star Trek so appealing to the extreme right

I think Star Trek is just appealing in general. To all kinds of people but disproportionately to white males who are of the disposition to talk about stuff on the Internet. There's a demographic overlap and I don't think it's worth thinking too much about.
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Nanpart Malor - Thu, 26 Sep 2019 06:48:40 EST V3zMX0Bu No.68684 Reply
daily reminder that Dukat did nothing wrong.
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Ensign Kashimuro Nozawa - Thu, 26 Sep 2019 10:19:38 EST iCL+/A7+ No.68687 Reply
>>68683
>I don't think it's worth thinking too much about
Too late, this is the internet; some asshole somewhere will have already written a thesis on why TOS is <Insert Various -isms And -ists Here>, is "fuelling the rise hate" and have alreadyshared it to their sycophantic hugbox.

C'est la vie.
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Stonn - Thu, 26 Sep 2019 11:21:01 EST bOlOhkyn No.68688 Reply
>>68685
those were evil demons infesting his mind to arrange for their return
basically he's a tragic hero who falls to lovecraftian horror and bajoran poon
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Jaro Essa - Thu, 26 Sep 2019 14:14:30 EST h8RumUl1 No.68690 Reply
>>68667
Because when you really get under it all it isn't really a communist Utopia. Just post scarcity. Most federation citizens go after money because it has value outside of the federation. It's really only Picard in his Ivory tower espousing holier than thou sentiment. Not that he is wrong most of his choices are well balanced but it's easy to go on about not working for money when Starfleet foots the bill.
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Jaro Essa - Thu, 26 Sep 2019 15:39:14 EST h8RumUl1 No.68691 Reply
>>68685
Real niggas stop watching before worthless whiney bitch enters.
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Stonn - Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:24:47 EST bOlOhkyn No.68693 Reply
>>68690
the troll in me wants to make some onlines hoax that DS9 is in fact an altright white supremacist pepe dog whistle or whatever the schizos call it these days, since that established that Gene's TNG-era utopia that had always been there and we just didn't notice wasn't really there
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Mobara - Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:31:26 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68695 Reply
>>68688
Nah man you're forgetting that episode with him and Sisko in the cave. He was an unhinged crazy trans way before the demons got to him, the demons just gave him an excuse to come out of the closet.
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Mobara - Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:33:27 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68696 Reply
>>68691
no matter how hard you close your eyes, put your fingers in your ears, and pretend that things are okay the reality will always be there when you open them again friend
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Leeta - Thu, 26 Sep 2019 21:37:16 EST jwjJ078M No.68699 Reply
>>68695
That's the exact episode where Dukat's character was deliberately ruined by the writers in response to his enduring popularity over Sisko with fans.
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Chairman Koval - Thu, 26 Sep 2019 21:39:18 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68700 Reply
>>68699
I don't care how you want to rationalize it so you can keep jerking it to Dukats lizard penis but that's what happened my man, deal with it
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Pah-wraith - Thu, 26 Sep 2019 22:13:34 EST fhOpgdra No.68701 Reply
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unfortunately every scifi and fantasy fandom is rife with fascists, it's not unique to trek
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Ambassador Shras - Fri, 27 Sep 2019 09:39:32 EST sUGNK/qx No.68702 Reply
>>68695
>>68696
It really speaks to jewish paranoia where a writer will deliberately ruin a popular character just so people don't actually identify with his own personal Hitler parallel.
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Chairman Koval - Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:15:21 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68708 Reply
>>68702
nah dukat was always a shitty character

remember the whol ziel(or zial or whatever the fuck her name was)

maybe if he would have actually killed her when he found her he could have been redeemable but he'd actually been a Bajoran loving lowlife the whole time and everyone who likes him is to

fuck dukat and his fanboy faggots

Garak is best Cardi
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Ensign McFarlane - Fri, 27 Sep 2019 23:31:15 EST bOlOhkyn No.68712 Reply
>>68711
being straight leaves you susceptible to being mind controlled by bajor poon
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sat, 28 Sep 2019 00:02:58 EST KA3qn+7B No.68713 Reply
I think the real question is why do pedophiles love Star Trek so much?
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Ensign McFarlane - Sat, 28 Sep 2019 01:05:58 EST bOlOhkyn No.68714 Reply
>>68713
rascals
honestly I don't know, I've heard this but is there any actual preponderance of numbers compared to say, any other tismo field like trains or capes or something?
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Nevala - Sat, 28 Sep 2019 04:37:53 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68715 Reply
>>68711
bro in space it doesn't matter who you're bangin', as long as it's not Bajorans. And mr ducats was banging bajorans left and right up to the point that he turned himself into a bajoran. The dude was a flaming bajoran-lover.

>lmao'ing @ ducat lovers crying "WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH THE WRITERS INTERFERED WITH HIS CHARACTER TO MAKE PEOPLE NOT LIKE HIM"
>1) he was a flaming bajoran-lover long before S6-S7
>2) that argument is the same shit as saying "God just fucked up Hitlers character at the end to force people to not like him" they write the fucking show, they pick who and what the characters are despite what your blue-train loving brains want them to be
>3) mainstreem cardi gov was for loser faggots, Obsidian Order was for the real lizard men
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Arik Soong - Sat, 28 Sep 2019 09:57:36 EST pLyN1Dkk No.68717 Reply
>>68667

The whole thing is a metaphor for western society saving the day for eternity.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:25:46 EST KA3qn+7B No.68718 Reply
>>68714
Well it's not that the majority of Trek fans are pedos, it's just that the majority of pedos are Trek fans. So, what percentage of pedophiles are into trains or capes?
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Kai Winn - Sun, 29 Sep 2019 13:20:04 EST 2ysCqvY+ No.68720 Reply
>>68708
You can't blame a guy for getting stationed in Guam and not catching a little yellow fever.
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DaiMon Birta - Sun, 29 Sep 2019 14:05:50 EST sUGNK/qx No.68724 Reply
>>68708
I feel like a more tragic and redeeming end would have been better for Dukat post-Ziyal's fall. Dukat eating his words about forcing his enemies to acknowledge his greatness, in some broken sense of admission, that Sisko is the better man than he, despite some connection to Pah Wraiths et al.

Especially if Kai Winn goes full Palpatine and takes the Pah Wraiths power to break Bajor, and Dukat has to stop her with Sisko.
"Dukat, get out of there, you'll be killed!"
"...this planet does change you, doesn't it? It just took me longer to accept that."
"Dukat!"
"Oh, emissary, don't you get it? You won! I acknowledge your greatness, I've done so for half a year, did I have to outright say it?"
"What are you... Dukat, this is-"
*looks over at the critical massed hellbeast of the Pah Wraiths* "Not the time or place, I know. Let a man have his final words already."
"..."
*Dukat gathers the Pah energy he still has on him, and sees Ziyal by his side smiling, and nodding*
"Tell them whatever you want to. History is made by the victors. But know the truth, know that I'm taking one last thing from you, Sisko."
*the beast roars at his disobedience and rushes at him and he runs in turn, arms outstretched in defiance*
"GUL DUKAT, SAVED, BAJOR!!!"
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Gun Runner Sakonna - Sun, 29 Sep 2019 20:54:29 EST bOlOhkyn No.68728 Reply
>>68727
>the huffpo says the la times says the cops say
well shit I'm convinced
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Darlene Kursky - Mon, 30 Sep 2019 00:07:15 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68729 Reply
>>68725
>Father daughter Kamehameha
>giant ball bursts into light obliterating the universe around our heroes into bits
>just as everything is about to vaporized into particles to small for the human eye to see we hear the *chirp* of a communicator badge
>"Jr Lt Barclay to engineering immediately!"
>Dukats smiling face is replaced with a heavy frown
>universe gives way to the familiar walls of the holodeck
>Dukats grey scaly skin gives way to the smooth, pasty whiteness of Barclay
>Barcly: "b-be there in woa-one minute commander!"
>space
>the final frontier
>these are the voyages of the starship Enterprise and it's crew...
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Krax - Mon, 30 Sep 2019 03:03:55 EST 1aLfJVzx No.68730 Reply
>>68715
Hitler was an actual real person not a fictional character. That's a retarded analogy.
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Krax - Mon, 30 Sep 2019 03:18:04 EST 1aLfJVzx No.68731 Reply
>>68727
>start article off with anecdotal quotes from the police to provide some basic legitimacy
>veer off into entirely speculative pseudoscientific analysis of how TOS handles sex as if it was something deeper than Gunsmoke in Space
Modern journalism really is a joke. I'd guess it comes from so many of them studying for degrees in useless fields where obscuring your point and toeing the ideological line means more than factual content.
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Guinan - Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:13:21 EST b048m/L8 No.68733 Reply
>>68731
Journalism abandoned all reason when they 'found yellow cake in Africa'
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Benjamin Sisko - Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:42:48 EST jwjJ078M No.68734 Reply
>>68733
>>68731
Journalism has always been like that it's just been easier to notice since the internet expanded enough that anyone who cares enough to look can find out what's really going on. After about 2008 government and other established interests realised this and swapped from censoring information they didn't want leaking out to flooding every situation with multiple contradictory explanations to bury it.
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Admiral Nechayev - Tue, 01 Oct 2019 01:37:02 EST 5Knx73oR No.68735 Reply
/pol/ tier actually fuck off
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Leeta - Tue, 01 Oct 2019 10:57:26 EST bOlOhkyn No.68737 Reply
>>68735
Captain, the sensors are picking up intense levels of butthurt, I believe we may have detected a Bajoran or a journalist.
Recommend orbital bombardment
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Willie Hawkins - Tue, 01 Oct 2019 16:09:57 EST V+OpzrEC No.68739 Reply
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>>68737
Captain, launching full spread of photon torpedos, maximum yield.
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Seska - Tue, 01 Oct 2019 18:36:17 EST Or/wUeC2 No.68741 Reply
Star Trek has enough allegory and depth that people see different things in it. Some people see DS9 as an indictment against Gene's vision but to me it's just admission that with people involved you need to compromise to get as close to the ideals as actually possible rather, not that those ideals should be abandoned. But really that's just me doing the same thing as those people. Seeing what I want to in it. And Trek is very good at letting you do that.

>>68737
The correct way to deal with a Bajoran is penis the angry ones are women because they're the ones with any backbone. They are just sexually frustrated because their men are all pussies. The species who has Kira and Leeta and Ro and you want to genocide them? I mean being gay is okay but try to think of people who still want to fuck women. That's a fine planet of ass you're about to destroy.
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Kira Taban - Tue, 01 Oct 2019 19:21:27 EST XO3+dOPj No.68744 Reply
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>>68667

Star Trek fulfills the MLK Jr dream: that people are judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. In 2019 that makes you a conservative. Because liberals want to rack-and-stack us all by our immutable characteristics. Oh you're white and said an opinion outside the orthodoxy? How DARE you offend minorities! Black lesbian who has complaints against white people? You go, girl!>>68667
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Dr. Reyga - Tue, 01 Oct 2019 20:07:14 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68745 Reply
>>68744
that's dumb as hell, you've definitely provided info about how one side is not fulfilling the MLK dream but gave no evidence that the other side IS

nb for /pol/shit on /1701/ this whole thread should be nuked at this point
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Benny Russell - Wed, 02 Oct 2019 02:10:35 EST jwjJ078M No.68748 Reply
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>>68745
>that's dumb as hell, you've definitely provided info about how one side is not fulfilling the MLK dream but gave no evidence that the other side IS
I mean https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/the-dehumanizing-myth-of-the-meritocracy https://archive.fo/VGMjT
And you might think people like this are utterly irrelevant but the new Linux CoC says otherwise.
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Gul Evek - Wed, 02 Oct 2019 03:10:32 EST GD2KT/aJ No.68749 Reply
>>68748
unrelated, but why are there so many cuties in tech fields? is it because most of it is based in california?
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Dr. Reyga - Wed, 02 Oct 2019 07:15:42 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68750 Reply
>>68748
so you just complained more about the SJW's, which was not at all what I had a problem with in my post, and showed no evidence of the right being the great champions of MLK's dream, the thing I was actually saying was dumb as hell

totally winning hearts and minds around here ain't ya boy
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Grand Nagus Zek - Wed, 02 Oct 2019 11:08:27 EST bOlOhkyn No.68751 Reply
>>68749
afaik it's a mix of some of the following for most: nerds with no dignity trying to push themselves on lesbians, nerds with no dignity trying to take jobs from women, nerds who fetishize women to the point of wanting to be one, good old fashioned spergs, and california
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Valkris - Wed, 02 Oct 2019 17:45:30 EST MUJqmxpA No.68753 Reply
>>68667
Okay see where this thread is already going?

This was not a good thread to make for this reason.
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Dr. Reyga - Wed, 02 Oct 2019 17:50:28 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68755 Reply
>>68754
lmfao no that's not what got you considered alt right
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Dr. Reyga - Wed, 02 Oct 2019 17:51:46 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68756 Reply
>>68754
and again you failed to show any evidence of the alt right being "color blind"
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Grand Nagus Zek - Wed, 02 Oct 2019 19:04:37 EST bOlOhkyn No.68758 Reply
guys guys we're losing track of what's really important
Does being gay protect you from Bajoran thottery?
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Dr. Reyga - Wed, 02 Oct 2019 19:13:04 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68759 Reply
>>68758
bajoran thottery is only a problem if you are a weak willed wimp in a universe that also has girls with spots and horny cat women
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Jake Sisko - Wed, 02 Oct 2019 21:14:42 EST bOlOhkyn No.68760 Reply
>>68759
but Bajoran womans are so uppity that you just want to rape them so much
like they're cheap rape heat, like when the jobber comes out and insults the local sports team and talks about how much things are better in shelbyivlle
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Guinan - Wed, 02 Oct 2019 23:05:45 EST b048m/L8 No.68763 Reply
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>>68748
>>68744
>>68754
This guy is completely correct, and if you think otherwise you need to wake up. Society changed over the past few decades. And racism is back in style, it's now in vogue to be racist against white people. That's no improvement. That's just kicking the can down the road because the sinusoidal motion of cultural butthurt will just sway back and forth endlessly. Here's a good example to prove you are pretty far up your own ass if you think that racism is some antiquated beast that's been conquered, a good one no one thinks about.. did you know, that because of affirmative action, asian students are intentionally discriminated against? They score higher on average than any other race, so if you're asian you have to do better on tests than someone of a different race to have the same chance of getting into, say, Harvard. Affirmative action is in fact, extremely racist and the complete antithesis of meritocracy. To put an employer in a position where they have to be more concerned with race ratios than employee performance was surely not the intention of the law when it was created.. they wanted to make sure employers didn't discriminate so they forced them to legally discriminate. But the fact that they didn't consider the perverse incentives of the concept, or to make adjustments to the law to mitigate them has really only reinforced a subconcious racist mindset in the workplace. Such laws should ideally be transitory, only existing long enough to transition to a world where they are no longer needed.

The truth is if MLK was alive today he wouldn't be able to even gain enough traction to be famous because his Dream is no longer a socially acceptable paradigm. Meritocracy is hated in the normie zeitgeist. And that is a terribly sad thing, because we aren't going to go anywhere or achieve anything as a species until we can change that.

Fuck all y'all for making me take a side, but don't bully the ONE GUY telling it like it is you fuckheads
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Robin Lefler - Thu, 03 Oct 2019 00:13:45 EST 5TOwAHSA No.68765 Reply
>>68667
fascists are just racist communists when it comes down to it.
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Naomi Wildman - Thu, 03 Oct 2019 06:28:28 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68766 Reply
>>68763
I never said he was wrong about that. I said he was wrong about the "right" being harbingers of fulfillment for MLK's dream. Like three times now.
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Marla Gilmore - Thu, 03 Oct 2019 08:41:49 EST 2fGv7uh7 No.68767 Reply
>>68766
To be fair fulfillment might be a bit far but it's close enough. Though this thread may forever be off the trek topic it is with noting that all kinds are into trek and that is realizing genes dream, which is most important. The future is so tolerant they had to fall back on the holodeck in order to have a complaint about racism that feel apart like paper in the rain.
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Grilka - Thu, 03 Oct 2019 12:17:18 EST LQTyc2r9 No.68768 Reply
>>68766
Anon's original point wasn't that the 'right', in the conventional sense, was any better at achiveing this sort of thing just that the definition of 'left' has shifted so far anyone disagreeing with identity politics etc is lumped into the same broad conservative label as actual hardcore conservatives. What was once radical in the 60s is now status quo.
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Naomi Wildman - Thu, 03 Oct 2019 19:12:54 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68770 Reply
>>68768
>Star Trek fulfills the MLK Jr dream: that people are judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. In 2019 that makes you a conservative.

was the point I was attacking this entire time because in 2019 American conservatives are still mostly prejudiced authoritarian assholes and are in no way striving to realize Gene's dream

not saying the left is better, just that that poster is a drooling pile of donkey brains for falling for the "well one side is bad so the other side must be good" trap
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Dr. Denara Pel - Fri, 04 Oct 2019 17:00:14 EST 2ysCqvY+ No.68776 Reply
>>68773
Time to stop caring who likes it and just hang with people that do like it. This board has always done well in the past.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Fri, 04 Oct 2019 18:28:47 EST KA3qn+7B No.68779 Reply
>>68776
I never cared who likes it, but I don't hold myself to such a low standard that I would hang with anyone who likes one thing that I also like. I'm not even sure specifically how this relates to what I was saying anyway tho.
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Borg Queen - Fri, 04 Oct 2019 23:08:10 EST fFz/1NAl No.68780 Reply
>>68779
Naw not you specifically you're a chill dude and not strictly hang out with but in a sense that's what we do here. Is our political ideology of any importance? Why is it people find it surprising that trek is enjoyed by non leftists and then make threads about it? The variety of fans fits the diversity envisioned since the beginning of tos. Together we can have fully automated luxury gay space communism.
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Borg Queen - Fri, 04 Oct 2019 23:12:04 EST fFz/1NAl No.68781 Reply
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>>68778
Just enjoy the trek man. Don't be that guy telling people they think unworthy to not like trek. Again not you specifically. Just for the thread in general. I now await my Dr worm ban like what always happens when I try to Picard mediate a thread. See you space cowboy.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sat, 05 Oct 2019 04:01:25 EST KA3qn+7B No.68783 Reply
>>68780
> Why is it people find it surprising that trek is enjoyed by non leftists and then make threads about it?
Idk man I'm pretty distant from leftist ideologies and I've had "trekkies" tell me it's stupid that I like Trek because of that reason. People are weird.
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Ba'el - Sat, 05 Oct 2019 12:32:22 EST EhqDBit6 No.68784 Reply
>>68779
I don't see anything wrong with hanging around with people who have opposing political views to my own as long as they don't let it become their entire personality and aren't the sort of person who ostracises you for the smallest disagreement.
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Commander Morag - Mon, 07 Oct 2019 22:42:53 EST sUGNK/qx No.68807 Reply
>>68785
Being somewhat nationalist? Enjoy being fired.
>oh but you're a nazi so it's okay
Well then you disagree with 'that', because it's all or nothing,
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Commander Morag - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 00:02:29 EST sUGNK/qx No.68810 Reply
>>68808
They asked who would disagree with not haven't those that are
>the sort of person who ostracizes you for the smallest disagreement
And job security being threatened for political beliefs is a real and present threat. Even in conservative states, I've had my politics be all but stated as the cause for an increasingly strained relation with my manager, and the work I did not meeting ever rising standards. Essentially it's a social boil off, concoct ways to be upset with your work ethic by overloading someone, and then meanwhile challenging people constantly. It's a social wedge, and it's barely legal. Not to mention having my current job in Portland, my boss has said if she finds someone voted for Trump she'll do everything in their power to make them pay for it, and my coworkers talk openly about killing right wingers and castrating people. It's good money, but the left has gone psychopath and I have no legal outlet for it since political opinion is not a protected identity, personally I feel intentionally.

And you wonder why these paradigms openly pop out after stewing in isolation, when you lock away political thought in all these social ostracizations. 'Don't disagree, or you don't have a job or house or social career' is our political paradigm, because they've decided that death is our only answer. And frankly, were it not for the stress of not negotiating or expressing myself, death probably wouldn't even cross my mind as a viable outlet for this lack of expression. Pathology of these points is not

You know, it would be really funny if this post got me banned because some mod thinks 'well he's a Nazi', just prove my point it's all garbage. If it can could up our streets, get our men out the pointless wars for other nations, get us working on space exploration, give me calm that I won't get stabbed on the streets by heroin addicts, and generally feel like this is a world I can have children in happily, I'd sacrifice every non-white in a heartbeat. Diversity is no blessing compared to security of my people, and it only antagonizes in its results. Guinan is right, we're not improving to racial egalatry, and frankly I don't really care if we ever do. The way forward isn't there. The way forward is Camp of the Saints. Pathologizing is no answer, shame doesn't temper this rage, it feeds it.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 02:06:08 EST KA3qn+7B No.68812 Reply
>>68810
Oh yeah well that all seems fairly true based on what I've seen. And idk what some other boards are like but that's very clearly not a ban-worthy post. I just want people to be able to disagree without being animals. I also wish people didn't tie their political views so tightly to their personalities, relationships, and social interactions.
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Liquidator Brunt - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 03:33:24 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68813 Reply
>>68810
See here's the thing bro, I had no problem with what you were saying until you started talking about killing people because they're not the same skin color as you. Maybe people would like you better if you didn't wish for violent eugenics.
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Commander Morag - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 08:19:23 EST sUGNK/qx No.68815 Reply
>>68813
Well given your post
>>68745
back here I don't really buy your statement that you didn't have a problem to start. Still, I'll play along.

I would clarify, that there's an important IF on that qualifier of what I'd want for my country and people. Compromise is always an answer if it still reaches towards the goals I wanted.
>disband foreign relations committees that have stuck hands in so many pockets that Israel always gets their way in military conflicts we concoct
>appropriate consequences for the Sacklers for the Opioid Crisis, drawn and quartering, but I'll compromise with hanging, for the all but stated intended deaths of more people a year than Vietnam War casualties to fentanyl and the like
I know that one's asking for a fight on this board, but every year some extended family member or church friend is dead to this shit and the fact that all those bastards get is a fine, while China got to have a whole political shift against the last opioid push is telling of what power we actually have in society
>start seriously working towards space exploration instead of how much we spend on welfare projects and military, expansion of our species is tantamount to our long-term survival
>end the anti-white paradigms in media, education, proper legal representation, and more

All of those can be solved with 'violent eugenics', since the biggest forces against it clearly wouldn't exist if that was what happened. If that was the only option on the table, I would still take it. That's not a threat, it's a clear signal for you to avoid that by sitting down, talking and understanding what it would take to reach these points without that happening. It's the same reason people implicitly talk to unions, technically they could start firebombing the factory if they felt so pressed against the wall. And if the propaganda against unions was so vitriolic and legally toxic, you'd hear them saying the same. People are willing to fight tooth and nail for what they believe in.

Star Trek has
>Space Exploration
>Drug pushers non-existent
>no planet-draining foreign wars for some other nation that they venerate above themselves
>not inwardly condemning everything and anything involving the founding people of the Federation for this or that sin against the Xindi, or Romulans, or the whatever race of sector 420
And they didn't get there by saying 'ay yo fuck wypipo'. They got there by... well really a lot of fucking luck considering what would have happened if the Vulcans hadn't been there at the right time. Earth had been through three costly planetary wars since the divergence in the 1960s, what's to say another dozen weren't on the horizon if paradigms hadn't shifted? Hence my headcanon that Section 31 just crypto-eugenicized everyone through food to make people more compatible, dampen the warrior gene in blacks, raising iq and lower time preference, and then other races to do the same. Rom eats pancakes and pineapples and suddenly he's pushing along a whole cultural revolution. Quickest way to a man's heart is through his stomach, hence while the replicators are around, people think the Federation's hunky dorey, but you go Maquis and suddenly you're like 'you know they're all kind of high on their own farts why didn't I notice that?'

Point is, there's no Vulcan out there we can bank on to shift the scope of things, and get this kumbaya going. There's what we have here and now, and a lot of needs not being met.
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Keldar - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 09:27:14 EST bOlOhkyn No.68816 Reply
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>>68815
>Drug pushers non-existent
[screeching in Harlan intensifies]
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James Moriarty - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 15:46:47 EST XrPpFAZj No.68819 Reply
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>>68815
>dampen the warrior gene in blacks
Your whole post is 8 Chinz level cringe man Jesus
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Liquidator Brunt - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 17:26:30 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68824 Reply
>>68815
>WHY CANT I KILL ALL THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE ME NERVOUS SO I CAN MAKE MY OWN LIFE MARGINALLY EASIER

You're even worse than those braindead commies. At least they just want the government to give them a check.
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Vice Admiral Nakamura - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 20:49:17 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68829 Reply
>>68827
lmao keep /pol/tarding on the trek board, you're definitely creating great trek discussion
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 22:30:34 EST KA3qn+7B No.68832 Reply
>>68830
For real though can we make this board cool again lije it used to be?
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Vice Admiral Nakamura - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 22:49:44 EST 60zgf9Xq No.68833 Reply
>>68832
Oh shit my bad dude, I've only been here for 12 years, it must have been before my time that you guys had a super cool board filled with full page rants about how killing all non-white people is an awesome and very star trek thing to do.

Didn't realize I had been the problem this whole time.
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Montgomery Scott - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 23:22:46 EST YEPN3Tbg No.68836 Reply
>>68833
Worst stupidest thing I ever encounter was Star Wars. Some absolute fucking retard made such claim newer Star Wars movies were bad because they were made to make Nazis look bad unlike original Star Wars. Some stupid fuck was sincerely so stupid he thought Star Wars originally had nothing to do with using Nazis as template for evil empire.
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Admiral Owen Paris - Wed, 09 Oct 2019 04:27:51 EST jwjJ078M No.68838 Reply
>>68836
Visually the Empire who did nothing wrong, killing Jedi is entirely acceptable were inspired somewhat by the generic movie badguy template that involved . Thematically they were arguably more like the American cultural understanding of what the British Empire was at the time of the revolution, with a bit of 'save the princess from the evil space wizard' sprinkled in.
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Commander Dolim - Wed, 09 Oct 2019 14:00:11 EST Az9R4lV8 No.68842 Reply
bcoz starfleet is basically a military organisation made up of the ubermensch of a lazy and soft federation society.
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Dr. Telek R'Mor - Wed, 09 Oct 2019 17:14:57 EST G11s3kje No.68844 Reply
>>68667
>despite being a communist utopia

It isn't a communist utopia. It's post-scarcity capitalism.

Sure, you don't have to pay for food and housing. But you can't transport all over the planet willy-nilly, there's a quota on transporter energy. If you want something as rare and valuable as an industrial replicator, I guarantee you can buy it from Earth as one of the smaller Federation powers.

>"We don't use money"
Is strictly from Star Trek IV. There was money in ToS, there was money in DS9. People own large swaths of valuable property and must presumably be able to trade them: ergo, the Federation has money.

What I take this to mean is that they only use money the way we use Cashier's Checks: for big, non day-to-day shit.
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Shakaar Edon - Wed, 09 Oct 2019 22:16:15 EST bOlOhkyn No.68846 Reply
>>68844
>It isn't a communist utopia. It's writers making up shit for fiction with little regard to what the previous writers have done
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Ensign Miral Paris - Wed, 09 Oct 2019 22:43:00 EST G11s3kje No.68847 Reply
>>68846
> It's writers making up shit for fiction with little regard to what the previous writers have done

Top tip: Roddenberry didn't write that "no money in the future" thing. The other guy did. Harve Bennett.
Turns out sometimes Roddenberry really liked the shit the other writers were making up. Even if he always proceeded to rewrite it extensively to ensure his screenplay credit and resulting benjamins.
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Malik - Thu, 10 Oct 2019 07:32:55 EST ChLQiwhs No.68848 Reply
>>68844
Pretty sure TNG has no money as an explicit statement too. Can't recall if TOS did because I'm not so familiar with it.
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Ensign Miral Paris - Thu, 10 Oct 2019 09:25:49 EST G11s3kje No.68850 Reply
>>68848
They do try to continue that narrative.

But then the Picards own a vineyard with a villa. Explain what happens to that place in a world with no money if they decide to move to Colorado and grow weed.

Are they just going to barter their land for a very likely non-equivalent plot of land? Or are they going to use money and use the difference to pay for the energy usage beyond their base quota that replicating a 15 acre screen of green is gonna take?

It doesn't hold up. Eventually at some level they have to use money.

TOS actually explicitly has "Federation Credits", as does DS9. So the canon is really that when starfleet crew are in a place where the fed can't provide for all of their needs, they get a stipend of currency to do so.

Gene really latched on to the "no money" thing in his later years, but it was there before, it makes no goddamn sense, and it was there after he was gone.
To completely stop using currency would simply be a regression, and even in a world where needs are fully taken care of, and luxuries are fairly generous, you've still got your Barclay who wants to stay home and needs holodeck time, and your Sisko who wants to blast through his allotment of transports to eat his daddy's gumbo. They're gonna trade, and if there's any inequity in that trade it'll be made up with money.

Gene was a fuckin' kook in his later years.
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Lt. JG Nog - Thu, 10 Oct 2019 11:59:39 EST 7ceFzy3c No.68851 Reply
>>68850
tbh I've always found the no money aspect rather terrifying, really feels like a totalitarian aspect of the Federation. Like, they could just have some massive rationing system going on, individuals firmly locked under the fed's thumb.
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Herbert Rossoff - Thu, 10 Oct 2019 13:23:57 EST yLFBT7xS No.68853 Reply
>>68850
Maybe it's just because I'm high and want to believe in a perfect hippy-dippy future, but I don't have a conceptual problem with this.

In the future of Star Trek, the human mindset is no longer material or acquisition-based, so the concept of "owning" a vineyard wouldn't even make sense to the people of that time. The vineyard just *is*, and Picard's family is tasked with taking care of it. If they wanted to leave to start a pot farm in Colorado (or some other part of the Federation) they'd just access Federation craigslist to find out who has a pot farm that needs tending. They'd post their own ad for a vineyard needing a caretaker.
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Vosk - Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:46:02 EST QzmunfbT No.68855 Reply
>>68853
Money is just the way mediums of exchange are more easily performed, technically it could have this perfect trading game, but not everyone’s going to have everything at the same time. In pragmatics currency applies reason to goods and services. The outbidding and excesses of profit-seeking are just the elements of scarcity, and post-scarcity isn’t a concept you can apply to special interests or services. Food and water yes, but not a restaurant experience, or some special local spring. Art, theater, you can’t just run on the vibes of making people happy to share it. Sure in shitposts and memes it can be open to everyone, but even that can’t sustain people in worth.

Money provides social and cultural lubricant in motivation to interact, share, and obtain goals they desire. The Federation not then using that to lock people into service is one goal, but pretending no one wants money ever is silly. Same as the silly notions Roddenberry had to be talked down to like that modern humans don’t grieve over death.
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Lt. JG Nog - Thu, 10 Oct 2019 17:11:34 EST jwjJ078M No.68856 Reply
>>68851
More likely it just ends up with reputation functioning as a de facto currency, just one that's a lot harder to see and more easily leads to hidden power structures. TNG does reference the idea of reputation more than once come to think of it The Orville also said it outright.
>>68850
Picards have a famous name and history: reputation again.
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Ensign Miral Paris - Thu, 10 Oct 2019 19:32:55 EST G11s3kje No.68861 Reply
>>68856
Yeah, clearly nobody thought it through well enough to realize that reputation as currency, especially when it comes to family reputation, was probably more toxic as currency than currency.

If Roddenberry had ever been on Twitter for a week he would have backtracked at warp 9 on that bitch.
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Senator Pardek - Thu, 10 Oct 2019 22:10:57 EST yLFBT7xS No.68865 Reply
>>68855
I still feel like you're thinking with what is an outdated mindset in Star Trek's future society.

You keep talking about "exchange" and "trade," but in this post-scarcity world, the concept of ownership itself will be entirely foreign. You say that art and theater can't run on vibes, but why not? If everyone's needs and wants are provided for, what's to stop a group of creatives from doing whatever they set their minds to? They only have to find people willing to do it for the sake of the act itself, and that will ultimately create a superior end result.

Also, on the topic of restaurants, in a future where it's considered silly and old-fashioned to believe that non-replicated food is somehow superior, a restaurant like Sisko's would have to be the most hipster thing ever.
That would be like switching from fiber internet to dial-up, just so you can have the nostalgic experience of having to wait for something that can now be had instantaneously.
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Mestral - Thu, 10 Oct 2019 22:39:48 EST WLJtCX4q No.68866 Reply
>>68865
Honestly that is not a very apt analogy and I can't believe you don't understand that there is more to going out to eat at a fancy restaurant than just eating a meal that is brought to you.
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Morn - Thu, 10 Oct 2019 22:44:41 EST BBoo42qJ No.68867 Reply
>>68865

I'd be willing to bet that Sisko's restaurant gives tours of the kitchen, and also does hibachi style cooking events where the food is cooked right in front of the "customers". The whole point isn't getting a meal to eat. You could do that at a replicator. The point is going to a real restaurant, and seeing real food get made, instead of blue sparkly edible stuff that I get every other day.

There's also places like living history museums and Renassaince faires and such nowadays that the Federation probably has analogs of. Sure, the average Joe could load up Netflix or head to the Holodeck or whatever, but there's a certain jui suis sais quoi about seeing a live performance that beats out a DVD.

Instead of money, these restaurants and theaters may track the number of asses that they can put in the seats. Sure, admission is free, because money doesn't exist. But if the restaurant is tastey enough, or the theater troupe is entertaining enough, there's going to be more people wanting to get in to experience the event than there are seats for those people. This leads to a certain amount of fame and social status for the operator of the venue.
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Senator Pardek - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 08:46:52 EST yLFBT7xS No.68876 Reply
>>66851
I mean sure, there's atmosphere, but future restaurants could easily still keep that part and offload the cooking to replicators behind a curtain. To actually go to the effort of preparing the food by hand seems like a really hipster thing to do.
Like >>68866 said, maybe a Renaissance Fair is a better example. Except it's a ren fair as a business model.
It's like an actual storefront for one of those "make your own candles" places, and it's open year round.

And of course, if the place is popular enough, in a world with no money there's bound to be a massive waiting list.
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Jake Sisko - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 09:17:25 EST sUGNK/qx No.68877 Reply
>>68867
I've always thought that eventually, if you can replicate a burger, a 'discerning' person's palate would be able to somewhat tell he's eating literally the exact same thing every time.
>"They all taste the same!"
>"They're hot dogs, Mr. Carter."
>"No, damnit, hot dogs aren't supposed to taste the same. Every bite is not supposed to be repeatable. Look, just lo- COMPUTER? One hot dog."
*Creates hot dog, then Carter raises his finger to wait despite the ensign's confusion*
>"Computer, one hot dog."
*creates another hot dog, Carter takes the first*
>"Go on, taste this one."
*Ensign reluctantly does take a bite*
>"Well?"
>"It's a hot dog."
>"Yes, well... try this one."
*bites into the hotdog*
>"It's the sam-"
>"AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM! The variation in texture, and flavor, and smoke content! All homogenized! There's no random factor!"
>"It's ju- it's just hot do-"
>"IT'S JUST ANOTHER CRUTCH YOU ACCEPT IN YOUR FEDERATION ENSLAVEMENT!"

Basically those surround sound records-only autists but extrapolated to replicated food.
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Jake Sisko - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 09:18:29 EST sUGNK/qx No.68878 Reply
>>68867
I've always thought that eventually, if you can replicate a cheeseburger, a 'discerning' person's palate would be able to somewhat tell he's eating literally the exact same thing every time.
>"They all taste the same!"
>"They're hot dogs, Mr. Carter."
>"No, damnit, hot dogs aren't supposed to taste the same. Every bite is not supposed to be repeatable. Look, just lo- COMPUTER? One hot dog."
*Creates hot dog, then Carter raises his finger to wait despite the ensign's confusion*
>"Computer, one hot dog."
*creates another hot dog, Carter takes the first*
>"Go on, taste this one."
*Ensign reluctantly does take a bite*
>"Well?"
>"It's a hot dog."
>"Yes, well... try this one."
*bites into the hotdog*
>"It's the sam-"
>"AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM! The variation in texture, and flavor, and smoke content! All homogenized! There's no random factor!"
>"It's ju- it's just hot do-"
>"IT'S JUST ANOTHER CRUTCH YOU ACCEPT IN YOUR FEDERATION ENSLAVEMENT!"

Basically those surround sound records-only autists but extrapolated to replicated food.
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Arik Soong - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 18:04:58 EST byRgzBbN No.68879 Reply
>>68877

lol you just made me recall the ep where riker tries to make eggs and fucks it up
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Major J Hayes - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 18:27:40 EST 7ceFzy3c No.68880 Reply
>>68877
Weren't their a few DS9 episodes that pretty much established replicator food was pretty crap when compared to the real McCoy?
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Albert Macklin - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 20:03:37 EST bOlOhkyn No.68881 Reply
>>68880
I don't think it's so much crap as it's repetitive, like the hot dog thing
I'm in the middle of making dinner. I cut up chicken breasts, added in pepper, salt, turmeric, and papirka
each piece is different in shape and size, each got different amount of seasoning
you don't really notice the subtle differences, but if you had the _exact_ same chicken cube over and over and over it would add up

I could probably deal with replicating larger pieces of meat then dicing and seasoning them, but yeah anything more than a Space McDouble with extra tachyons I wouldn't trust them for shit
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Senator Tal'aura - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 20:58:36 EST bHK5ghgI No.68883 Reply
>>68881
lol what I don't understand is why O'Brien likes home cooked meals.

IRISH home cooking. Now I'm not Irish but I am from New England and if anyone is gonna do just fine on replicator food it's us blandy blandos who like their bland boiled dinners.
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Albert Macklin - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 21:53:18 EST bOlOhkyn No.68884 Reply
>>68883

yeah if you're not mashing the potatoes or baking the corned beef it's gonna be basically the same no matter what
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General Krim - Sat, 12 Oct 2019 06:24:25 EST jwjJ078M No.68885 Reply
>>68856
>>68851
>same name twice in a thread
Neat.
>>68860
Pretty much, except without an actual defined unit or amount. Just the vague concept of what your reputation is worth.
>>68861
The flaws of that system are also what generally prevents anarchism from taking off: formal power structures and things like currency grew out of informal systems, when you remove them you tend to end up returning to informal systems which can't be regulated or easily understood by outsiders.
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Captain Kurn - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 13:03:41 EST yLFBT7xS No.68906 Reply
>>68880
Not to my recollection.
In fact, I thought it was pretty heavily implied that most if not all the restaurants on DS9 replicated their food.

Quark's serves a full menu, but has no kitchen. We see Rom trying to fix the replicator a few times.

The Klingon restaurant doesn't have a kitchen either, you just order from the proprietor at the counter and then your food is ready.


>>68881
>each piece is different in shape and size, each got different amount of seasoning
I don't think you're giving the future enough credit. They'd just have procedurally-generated chicken pieces to give the appearance of naturally random sizes and seasoning levels, within specified parameters. Every dish would essentially be a new creation from the same recipe, just like if someone prepared it by hand.
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Corporal F Hawkins - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 13:15:21 EST 7ceFzy3c No.68907 Reply
>>68906
>In fact, I thought it was pretty heavily implied that most if not all the restaurants on DS9 replicated their food.

I thought it depended on if you paid or not e.g. Quark couldn't charge for replicated food or synthol, but he could for real food and alcohol.

That doesn't make it better though. That episode with that Maquis chap who moaned about replica food being bland, Sisko growing and cooking his own meals for special occasion, the synthenol debate, and Troi wanting real icecream.
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Montgomery Scott - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 13:19:53 EST bOlOhkyn No.68908 Reply
>>68906
>They'd just have procedurally-generated chicken pieces to give the appearance of naturally random sizes and seasoning levels, within specified parameters.
that doesn't sound anything at all like how it's described at any point
also Starfleet shit would go berserk and make exploding chicken or something if it had to do that much thinking, their shit always blows up
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Admiral William J Ross - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 15:39:45 EST jwjJ078M No.68910 Reply
>>68906
>The Klingon restaurant doesn't have a kitchen either, you just order from the proprietor at the counter and then your food is ready.
It serves live food and at one point it's pretty clearly indicated that the how alive it still is can vary (as a measure of quality).
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Captain Kurn - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 16:14:41 EST yLFBT7xS No.68911 Reply
>>68907
Okay, I'm going to have to backpedal here some.
In my mind I was specifically picturing the scene at Quark's when O'brien and Bashir are breaking their fast from Worf's bachelor party (S6:E07 - You are Cordially Invited) when Quark is bringing out all the food, and I was using that as evidence that the food at Quark's must be mostly replicated.

But just now, looking up the transcript for that episode, I noticed this line:

>BASHIR: Quark, where's the kava juice?
>QUARK: They're still squeezing the roots. Unless you want replicated?
>BASHIR: We'll wait.

So, I stand corrected. Apparently they do serve real food, and the real deal is still considered superior to replicated (at least for some dishes).


>>68908
>that doesn't sound anything at all like how it's described at any point
I think they're purposefully pretty vague on how the replicators work, aren't they? All we know for sure is that they synthesize food (or equipment) at the molecular level in a fashion not dissimilar from how the transporters work.

Actually, the replicators seem fairly stable compared to how often the transporters and holodecks keep malfunctioning. We really only see replicator malfunctions portrayed as a symptom of a larger ship-wide problem. And it's usually pretty tame stuff like producing the wrong dish. We never see the replicators accidentally incorporate cyanide into one of Troi's ice cream sundaes.


>>68910
You're right, I forgot they did actually have live food and not just replicated.
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Composer Delvok - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 16:33:10 EST az/veMHF No.68912 Reply
Because they are closet pedophiles.

"The LA Times recently ran a story about the Child Exploitation Section of the Toronto Sex Crimes Unit, which contained a mind-boggling statistic: of the more than 100 offenders the unit has arrested over the last four years, "all but one" has been "a hard-core Trekkie." Blogger Ernest Miller thought this claim was improbable. "I could go to a science fiction convention," he explained "and be less likely to find that 99+ percent of the attendees were hard-core Trekkies." While there may be quibbling about the exact numbers, the Toronto detectives claim that the connection is undeniable.

In fact, Star Trek paraphernalia has so routinely been found at the homes of the pedophiles they've arrested that it has become a gruesome joke in the squad room. (On the wall, there is a Star Trek poster with the detectives' faces replacing those of the crew members). This does not mean that watching Star Trek makes you a pedophile. It does mean that if you're a pedophile, odds are you've watched a lot of Star Trek."
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Montgomery Scott - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 16:46:17 EST bOlOhkyn No.68913 Reply
>>68912
isn't that the article already brought up back at >>68727 a few weeks ago?
you should probably read the whole thread before joining in, but it's cool
so what's your favorite Star Trek episode?
>>68911
they don't blow up because they keep it simple
you try getting extra pepperoni or minced garlic on your pizza basically a warp core breach right there
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Admiral William J Ross - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 18:34:44 EST jwjJ078M No.68917 Reply
>>68911
>You're right, I forgot they did actually have live food and not just replicated.
To be fair though you could probably replaicte live food. It's the same basic technology as the transporter after all. Still DS9 leaned pretty heavily on replicated food being almost like a better version of microwaved food: something you deal with when you have to on longer shifts or similar but strictly inferior to 'proper' hand-made food.
>>68913
>you try getting extra pepperoni or minced garlic on your pizza basically a warp core breach right there
Maybe the replicators are designed by Italians angry at people confusing peperoni and pepperoni.
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T'Pol - Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:36:57 EST k6ig7E4o No.68940 Reply
>>68917
Then again cake hole was shocked to find obriens family handled real meat. Even if it is a slightly better microwaved meal. How many of us have microwaves today?
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Gregory Quinn - Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:40:57 EST ZUe4+bel No.68941 Reply
>>68940
I don't anymore. Got rid of it to try and force myself to cook properly. More or less worked but I do miss the super easy reheating.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 17 Oct 2019 12:09:32 EST oy36MlRa No.68942 Reply
>>68940
I don't. Everything that comes out of a microwave is unpleasant.
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Lt. Cmdr. Jack Crusher - Thu, 17 Oct 2019 12:27:52 EST bOlOhkyn No.68943 Reply
I find microwaves have uses, mostly reheating leftovers, but they're not totally useless, especially if you're not interested in firing up the oven.

Last night I had some leftover taco-seasoned ground beef, I threw that in a ceramic bowl, mixed in some minced garlic, extra seasonings to spice it up more, some diced jalapenos and onions, stirred it up, then I put a ceramic plate on top as a lid and nuked it on low for about eight minutes, stirred it a lot more, repeat, then I stirred in some sour cream.
Also shredded cheese + tortilla chips + 30s = totally solid nachos when you've got the munchies
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 17 Oct 2019 13:36:57 EST oy36MlRa No.68945 Reply
>>68944
The difference is Replicators produce good enough food, whereas microwaves give you rubbery shit. I expect the Federation to have higher standards for their quick and easy food sources.
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Biddle Coleridge - Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:37:01 EST jwjJ078M No.68946 Reply
>>68943
>buying pre-grated cheese
Why? It costs more for lower quality and even the most fucked up human should be able to handle a grater. If you can't either grate it in advance or don't even try anything more complicated than ordering fast food.
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EMH MARK 2 - Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:43:06 EST 55vZeZWW No.68947 Reply
>>68945
Quality aside. Replicators are the standard. And to bring it full circle a good vector for section 31, or the obsidian order.
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EMH MARK 2 - Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:46:05 EST 55vZeZWW No.68948 Reply
>>68946
Forget the price. Avoid the starch powder on pre grated and get a hand crank grater.

Eewww your mom touched CHEESE!?!?

Shut the fuck up cake hole.
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Kor - Thu, 17 Oct 2019 21:50:55 EST bOlOhkyn No.68951 Reply
>>68946
I have always seen the pre-shredded stuff anywhere from ten cents a pound less to upwards of thirty cents less per pound
I have a couple of hand shredders when I get it by the brick but it's always cheaper in my neck of the woods pre shred (because that's runoff from making the bricks)
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Fri, 18 Oct 2019 01:20:45 EST KA3qn+7B No.68954 Reply
>>68948
How do you make the shreds not stick together and re-merge into a few larger cheese clumps? I like the texture of fine shreds that don't stick to each other.
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Herbert Rossoff - Fri, 18 Oct 2019 02:27:24 EST UnxIrpGH No.68955 Reply
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>>68667
I would legit buy pre-grated cheese if it was powdered with that cheese powder they put on doritos instead of random starchy bullshit.
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David Marcus - Fri, 18 Oct 2019 02:36:24 EST ZUe4+bel No.68956 Reply
>>68954
Buy the cheap stuff that legally has to call itself shredded cheese product instead of cheese. That tends to have strange melting properties.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Fri, 18 Oct 2019 03:40:35 EST KA3qn+7B No.68958 Reply
>>68956
That is not an answer to my question.
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Kor - Fri, 18 Oct 2019 10:27:08 EST bOlOhkyn No.68960 Reply
>>68956
when i do cheese sauce I'll toss in a bit of aldi generic velveeta
it's not anything you'd want to have as a solo cheese sauce but it goes a long way to keeping things emulsified
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Marla Gilmore - Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:32:36 EST fFz/1NAl No.68961 Reply
>>68954
You gotta break it up every now and then with your hands. Or throw starchy powder on it. The powder changes the melted consistency by a lot and the flavor too. But my son you want oaxaca for the best tacos and nachos.
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Miles O'Brien - Fri, 18 Oct 2019 13:38:10 EST laO659S3 No.68963 Reply
>TDS podcasts always get derailed by discussions on Nacho varieties and Bang flavors
>420chan political analysis derailed by cheese sauce and doritos
Horseshoe theory confirmed. Have you even read Lcoke?
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DaiMon Tarr - Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:45:34 EST 2ysCqvY+ No.68965 Reply
>>68963
It was all a desperate ploy to distract themselves from the horrifying truth about replicators.
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Mordoc - Fri, 18 Oct 2019 21:42:25 EST bOlOhkyn No.68967 Reply
>>68964
I can do a dank alfredo from scratch, heavy cream, fresh mashed garlic, butter, parm, but I'm not against cutting some corners when it's just a shitton of cheddar and noodles with some hot sauce or something
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Seven of Nine - Sun, 20 Oct 2019 01:33:08 EST +7aU/arw No.68974 Reply
I once peed on a girl with a swastika tattoo, she did the heil thing with her arm and I fisted her.
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Dr. Leah Brahms - Sun, 20 Oct 2019 18:47:23 EST WLJtCX4q No.68976 Reply
My headcanon has always been that cooking your food is still a pretty common thing for all the people on earth where fresh ingredients are always plentiful and hobbies like vegetable gardening and preparing your own meals are considered healthy lifestyle choices.

We only see Starfleet people using food replicators nearly exclusively because fresh non replicated ingredients are difficult to procure due to the nature of interstellar travel.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sun, 20 Oct 2019 21:42:45 EST KA3qn+7B No.68977 Reply
>>68976
Yeah. People will always like to indulge and therefor there will always be demand for professionally cooked alien meals on various space stations.
There will also always be the interest in astrobotany and exobotany or whatever the fuck...
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Nevala - Mon, 21 Oct 2019 11:58:39 EST bOlOhkyn No.68978 Reply
I can see why it would be a particular bitch for Troy because most chocolate dishes worth a fuck need a decent about of effort and hardware compared to a lot of stuff
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Tora Ziyal - Mon, 21 Oct 2019 13:03:14 EST 6n4k+JMT No.68979 Reply
>>68976
3 months ago I took a small 3 inch high plant into work, it got battered by wind and rain so I propped it up and stuck it in the window. Last week the chillis started ripening and they're bigger than it was. It has brought so much excitement to our sadly little office as people even took a couple home on friday and ate them.

I can buy dried chillis and probably not save that much money on the pots, compost and feed (the seeds are descended from a pack I got a long time ago, that part is cheap) but it's more fun to grow and eat my own chillis. You get an attachment and an excitement about food you prepared or that you got an expert to prepare.

I think that's just human nature not your headcannon. Not even healthy lifestyles. People will just do it for the satisfaction it brings.
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Kalita - Mon, 21 Oct 2019 14:06:26 EST 2ysCqvY+ No.68980 Reply
>>68974
I dated a Nazi once and she said on a latter in front of me and made me heil right into her fart box.
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Commander Tebok - Wed, 23 Oct 2019 00:14:01 EST BBoo42qJ No.68983 Reply
I'm the guy that posted about Sisko's restaurant and Ren Faires and shit a while back. I just realized that Sisko's restaurant may be a part of a fandom for nineteenth and twentieth century Earth that seems to be experiencing. I mean, we have stuff like Data's obsession with Sherlock Holmes, Julian and Miles fighting in the Alamo, Julian's spy program, and Paris's love of fast cars and cartoons. Sisko's place is the future equivalent of Medieval Times.
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Captain Goroth - Wed, 23 Oct 2019 00:15:54 EST 2PMvnQg3 No.68984 Reply
>>68983
I mean not really medieval times but more like "quaint Southern cooking before Eugenics and aliens and warp"
But yeah I feel you, if I was surrounded by space age wonders all the time seeing and eating homemade gumbo and mussels would be quite a treat I'd imagine
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Commander Tebok - Wed, 23 Oct 2019 00:22:24 EST BBoo42qJ No.68985 Reply
>>68984
I made that analogy in a loose sense only. A closer example of a Medieval Times would probably be a Buffalo Wild Wings, or other sports bar.

I'd bet that Sisko is hot shit in the PreWarp Faire circuit, though.
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Willie Hawkins - Wed, 23 Oct 2019 00:27:44 EST BfmhqB3G No.68986 Reply
I have no answer to that. Is that actually true? Do people poll this? Definitely want to see numbers on that, not making a molecule of a judgment until I hear about that. lol I would think a lot of people like it because it's a good show. That's why I like it. There's not much complexity in my thoughts about it, I have a good time watching the show. I don't possess a 900 word review about it. lol
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Chairman Koval - Wed, 23 Oct 2019 01:05:36 EST 0KqTJrna No.68988 Reply
>>68986

I dunno about Alt-right, but I grew up in a pretty conservative family that was friends with other conservative families (back when conservative meant neocons instead of fascists), hardcore George H.W. Bush/Reagan People, and I was always surprised how much they loved Star Trek. It wasn't even because of the Ferengi either.

Honestly, looking back, I think it was just undiagnosed boomer enthusiasm.
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Keldar - Fri, 25 Oct 2019 23:13:08 EST sUGNK/qx No.68992 Reply
>>68986
>Is that actually true?
If the old TRS forums were anything to go by, lots of Sci Fi discussion was abound. Star Trek was always the most popular, but there was some discussion of Legend of the Galactic Heroes too.
These aren't just grugs, the alt-right is made of nerds, and nerds love anime and sci fi. Why do you think they care so much about The Dark Crystal Age of Resistance?
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Commander Dolim - Sat, 26 Oct 2019 16:37:54 EST yYpxQg95 No.68993 Reply
>>68988
tbh I know a few altright types who love LARPing as Cardassians
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I.G. Tarah - Sat, 26 Oct 2019 18:12:26 EST 2ysCqvY+ No.68995 Reply
>>68992
Wtf r u saying Jim Henson puppets are Nazis? Don't let the traveler touch your nacelles.
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Captain Kurn - Sun, 27 Oct 2019 01:14:53 EST bDA2O+o0 No.68996 Reply
>>68667
People believe that the alt right is real.

Morons.

Who the fuck cares anyway.
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Homn - Sun, 27 Oct 2019 05:06:06 EST QO37m2NR No.68997 Reply
>>68996
its just a meaningless buzzword like sjw don't get so triggered dude
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Geordi La Forge - Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:02:45 EST rbz5U+yk No.69008 Reply
>>68995
I’m saying they’ve got a certain mental picture of what the Skeksis are a standin for...
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James Moriarty - Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:11:02 EST LYcn35Wa No.69009 Reply
>>68988
An enthusiasm for boomers connects to this? Could any enthusiasm compare? lol
I'm trying to figure out what the meaning of all this stuff is. It's certainly a mentally challenging context. I'm not sure I can fit every factor in my brain. Could give it a couple more attempts with high hopes. lol
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Lt. Reginald Barclay - Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:19:46 EST bOlOhkyn No.69011 Reply
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>>69009
lol your sensors found a class Cat planet
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Mon, 28 Oct 2019 21:22:18 EST KA3qn+7B No.69015 Reply
>>69008
Yeah the Skeksis are a pretty obvious metaphor for our current world leaders / corporate overlords.

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