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- Tue, 08 Oct 2019 16:27:05 EST 7ceFzy3c No.68820
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Is it me or does this episode make absolutely no sense? I've been rewatching Voyagerrecently, but I never remembered it being this moronic.

Given how temporal events seem to happen almost daily, and Starfleet clearly knows about time travel and alternate realities, yet they refuse flat out to entertain Kim's explanation for what's going on.

Alternate realities and shit are hardly unbelievable. In that DS9 episode with the baseball card, Weyoun was more than willing to believe Jake's time travel story over the rather mundane truth.

Also, when this shit happens why don't they just immediately go an get a Vulcan to conduct a mindmeld and straighten everything out?
Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 16:47:24 EST oy36MlRa No.68821 Reply
What if VOY was good
Degra - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 16:53:15 EST 7ceFzy3c No.68822 Reply
eh, it has some good characters, but just seems to fail when it comes to episode writing.
Senator Vreenak - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 17:11:01 EST WLJtCX4q No.68823 Reply
I'd say most of the characters are either unlikeable or just lesser versions of ones from better Trek series.
Captain Goroth - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 19:49:03 EST Tx643d2J No.68826 Reply
Probably changes the trajectory of the next show and they push forward instead of doing a prequel.
Private E Hamboyan - Wed, 09 Oct 2019 20:16:25 EST pyyl83GW No.68845 Reply
It would make a better future. They do some extremes and it lies in the art frame and they can craft valences off the centrifugal.
Guinan - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 00:31:08 EST b048m/L8 No.68869 Reply
I think Voyager's main problem is it was a bin for discarded TNG scripts, with the occasional DS9 script thrown in. Very little material in Voyager didn't seem recycled. I mean I'm sure you've all heard my theory about how Ensign Kim was originally supposed to literally be the character of Ensign Wesley Crusher but they changed him because no one liked Wesley.
Guinan - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 00:40:38 EST VBGejfF4 No.68870 Reply
I mean, Paris was originally written as Locarno from The First Duty.
Guinan - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 00:53:07 EST b048m/L8 No.68872 Reply
The only reason Tom Paris ISN'T Nick Locarno is because they'd have to pay royalties to the original writer and they were too cheap
Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Sat, 12 Oct 2019 22:47:16 EST yflJl9O1 No.68892 Reply
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When the show was in pre production the plan was for it to be alot darker than previous Trek incarnations. Think more along the lines of the Battlestar Galactica reboot. You see elements of it in the pilot two parter, but across the run of the series they were rejecting lots of scripts and forcing rewrites and rewrites of rewrites that resulted in alot of scripts being much tamed down versions of earlier drafts.

We got brief glimpses of it here and there however, and IMO those hands-down are the best episodes. When Voyager gets hijacked, when Voyager gets caught up with the time altering juggernaut ship, that one time Voyager crashed on a planet, etc.

It's too bad we never got to see hull-plastered-with-alien-armor-plating, two-warp-cores-both-running-at-20-percent, slowly-becoming-a-frankenstein-of-parts-from-across-hundreds-of-light-years Voyager plodding it's way through the Delta Quadrant, becoming a physical representation of it's Captain's resolve to uphold Federation morality and maybe even her own sanity. Or any real character development over the 7 year run.
Senator Tal'aura - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 02:45:21 EST WUqjgxHM No.68893 Reply
>voyager doesn't make sense
who would have thought?
Mestral - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 02:53:54 EST wD28Px4R No.68894 Reply
Voyager gave us 7 of 9 though.
Senator Tal'aura - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 02:59:59 EST WUqjgxHM No.68896 Reply
>voyager gave us the biggest sue in trek
Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 08:05:54 EST ZRQkXn3L No.68898 Reply
Which they did instead of giving us character development. Instead of better plots, we get another Neelix character to explain what is going on every episode.

I mean, i like her too but I wish they did more than just throw new characters in there.
Nava - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 11:41:06 EST 0G8e+oYA No.68899 Reply
>bigger mary sue than early TNG Wesley
It's a close run thing I'll give you that.
Nava - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 11:41:31 EST 0G8e+oYA No.68900 Reply
>Think more along the lines of the Battlestar Galactica reboot.
A soap opera that pretends to be Science Fiction?
Montgomery Scott - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 16:48:22 EST bOlOhkyn No.68915 Reply
iirc Caprica rocked the Space Dallas style way better
Seven of Nine - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 10:14:27 EST bOlOhkyn No.68922 Reply
it's a prime time drama soap with a lot of scifi stuff
kinda interesting if you know what to expect
Subcommander N'Vek - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 18:35:30 EST pyyl83GW No.68923 Reply
Tom Paris had an admiral father and a few other niceties for the end plot not to make him into Nick Locarno.
Dr. Lewis Zimmerman - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 19:23:36 EST WUqjgxHM No.68924 Reply
nobody did it seems. it was cancelled after one season.
Robin Lefler - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 20:45:46 EST bOlOhkyn No.68925 Reply
yeah as far as I understand they sold it as BATTLESTAR PREQUEL WITH HUMAN AND CYLON CONFLICT (implying the war but getting the first glimmer of discontent while a bunch of space soap happened)
Hugh - Tue, 15 Oct 2019 02:39:24 EST 5mVT1ma0 No.68926 Reply
Seems to me like that should have been perfectlt satisfactory: the main show just used the conflict to push endless character bullshit with the excuse that it was part of the vague concept of 'character development' aka endless twists mixed in with budget-saving bottle episodes.
Michael Eddington - Tue, 15 Oct 2019 02:39:59 EST Yb4p4Nf0 No.68927 Reply
I mean it was pretty good imo kinda sad it got canned
Robin Lefler - Tue, 15 Oct 2019 12:58:49 EST bOlOhkyn No.68930 Reply
Was it around long enough to even have a bottle to do a bottle episode in?
yeah, if I had gone into expecting SPACE ROBOT WAR then yeah I probably would have been massively pissed, but for Space Dynasty it was fun enough. I came real close to dropping some money on the prop auctions, they sold off a bunch of prescription bottles from the mom who took all the pills, would have been cool to get some Space Scripts

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