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- Fri, 06 Dec 2019 20:55:24 EST nniy3IdF No.69169
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> Neelix: they occupy just ten percent of Nygean space, but take up nearly 80 percent of the space in Nygean prisons
> Paris: maybe they commit more crimes

What did the Voyager writers mean by this?
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T'Pau - Fri, 06 Dec 2019 21:08:02 EST bOlOhkyn No.69170 Reply
>this is actually the dialog
hahaha holy shit
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Guinan - Fri, 06 Dec 2019 22:24:58 EST b048m/L8 No.69171 Reply
The best part is the end of the episode where it turns out that Benkarans really are violent assholes
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Prosecutor Orak - Sat, 07 Dec 2019 02:35:33 EST MZRPYESH No.69173 Reply
wtf i love voyager now
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I.G. Keval - Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:19:05 EST LR7Kxdqo No.69188 Reply
Neelix was dating Kess before she hit puebuerty.

Neelix is a baby rapist. Why is he allowed to be alone with Naomi Wildmen.
Some sick shit going on in the delta quadrant
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Brok'tan - Mon, 09 Dec 2019 18:23:53 EST BnrdIjvE No.69204 Reply
>>69188
Everything about Neelix is problematic. I mean he's this useful resourceful clever guy except that only happens once per season on average, is it "show don't tell?" or did he Epstein Kes out?

I guess that would explain a lot.
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Captain Blackwood - Tue, 10 Dec 2019 04:33:57 EST yO7cZg8i No.69205 Reply
>>69188
To be fair, she also died like two years later.

How can we be so judgmental about a species with such a limited window of viable reproductive life?
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Fer'at - Tue, 10 Dec 2019 08:58:06 EST LR7Kxdqo No.69206 Reply
>>69205

With great ease. Dont fuck kids. It messes them up and come back years later and eat the core or somthing... Fury didn't make alot of sense.
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Maihar'du - Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:29:21 EST eqOE14o2 No.69207 Reply
>>69206
Fury would have been a much better episode if insane Kes came back just to keep Neelix so she would have never slept with him
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Guinan - Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:40:58 EST b048m/L8 No.69209 Reply
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The Ocampa were immersion-breakingly stupid if you actually think about them.

They can only reproduce once per lifetime, and from the sounds of it they usually only produce a single child (from the dialogue in Elogium), AND they only live a maximum of 9 years, so every 3-5 years the population would be HALVED, and then halved again and again and again until they were all dead.

Now here's the real jim-jam: the Nacene (caretaker guy/banjo man's people) didn't cause this, they just fucked up the atmosphere so it didn't rain. But let's just assume that they DID cause this, just so I can illustrate how truly dumb this idea is.. In the V'ger pilot, they establish that the Banjo Man fucked up the atmosphere 500 Ocampan generations ago. Assuming that he also fucked up their ability to not go extinct inevitably, their population would have to be YUGE at the start of this whole thing. Every generation, when viewed in reverse, would double in population, meaning that the place would have been crawling with weird eared Psionic children to start with.. like infested, hundreds of billions.

Oh let's also not forget that the writers thought it was appropriate that the fella we were introduced to in the pilot as a territorial junk picker who dates two year olds becomes the 'godfather' of the first kid born on this ship (and seriously where are all the kids, they are fucking stranded so far from home are you even kidding me? Everyone would be fucking, no one would have any realistic expectation of getting home in their lifetimes by season 3 or so, but if you had kids, they'd probably get to see Earth. Voyager would have and should have very quickly become a generation ship.) Yeah, let's pair the established pedo guy with a small child, that's what makes people feel good inside, I mean what !?

What the fuck man. Put the crack pipe down, Rick Berman.
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Vosk - Wed, 11 Dec 2019 01:28:50 EST bOlOhkyn No.69215 Reply
>>69209
>crazy shit that requires lots of fucking under questionable circumstances
truest to gene roddenberry's vision of all
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Ardon Broht - Wed, 11 Dec 2019 23:10:31 EST cz2TWSOJ No.69216 Reply
>>69209
The point was that all the information comes from Ocampa that are living in what essentially is a weird mixture of zoo / golden cage / concentration camp who are constantly fed propaganda regarding their circumstances.

Besides that they probably had more sophisticated Ocampa related plots in the wraps but didn't decide to use it. In their "natural" state a full grown Ocampa is probably close to half a Q, so that would have given any hypothetical VOY villain plenty of motivation to control them like that.
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Ardon Broht - Wed, 11 Dec 2019 23:54:39 EST cz2TWSOJ No.69217 Reply
>>69209
Also a population of 100 billion to a trillion is a perfectly reasonable population for a rocky planet if you don't rely on traditional agriculture.
It's just that trek and any other space opera completely misses the point regarding the scales involved.
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Thu, 12 Dec 2019 09:56:22 EST FQ5sGru5 No.69219 Reply
When I first watched VOY I was kind of excited when Neelix went from bumbling doofus to Han Solo on those Oompa Loompa looking dudes. I wish he showed more of that chaotic neutral side of himself throughout the show.
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Guinan - Thu, 12 Dec 2019 23:29:01 EST b048m/L8 No.69220 Reply
>>69219
Truth be told I always kinda liked Neelix when I was watching Voyager the first time around. The problem comes with a critical analysis of his character. To be truthful, like everything else wrong with Voyager it just simply comes down to one thing
BAD WRITING
I don't know what happened but they just could not get their shit together in Voyager.. it's a mess. They learned nothing from TNG or DS9 and just subsisted off of the rejected scripts of both. Well, there it is.. I do know what happened.
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Tekeny Ghemor - Fri, 13 Dec 2019 05:25:26 EST TXcyRxCH No.69221 Reply
>>69220
thank GOD i'm not the only one.
seems clear as day, yet there are still die-hard fans.
some great performances in voy, but damn that show is broken
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sat, 14 Dec 2019 21:56:48 EST KA3qn+7B No.69224 Reply
>>69220
I appreciate the concept of Neelix. He's a valuable member of the crew because, in a stranded ship always wondering where they'll get their next batch if resources, he takes what they have and turns it into meals. You better appreciate the fuck out of that.

But he's a doofus pedo freak so fuck it.
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Krax - Sun, 15 Dec 2019 00:38:51 EST 3qRZTXLM No.69226 Reply
>>69224
Wouldn't growing, finding, storing, and preparing food take up more energy than replicated rations though? They keep using the Holodeck, so energy can't be anywhere near that scarce to begin with.
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Gralik Durr - Sun, 15 Dec 2019 08:07:36 EST jwjJ078M No.69227 Reply
>>69226
I assumed they were using resources they'd picked up from traders or planets but yes you'd assume growing food has an energy loss over outright replicating it.
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Shakaar Edon - Tue, 17 Dec 2019 00:13:35 EST WLJtCX4q No.69240 Reply
>>69227
I thought he was most useful at least initially because he knew about a lot of the different alien races Voyager was encountering.

Also yeah rations probably would have been more energy efficient for the ship, but even a shitty home-cooked meal is a much bigger morale booster than eating food rations all the time.
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Captain Rudolph Ransom - Tue, 17 Dec 2019 03:08:39 EST jwjJ078M No.69243 Reply
>>69240
>I thought he was most useful at least initially because he knew about a lot of the different alien races Voyager was encountering.
This is something that made sense for a few episodes at most. Voyager seems to be orders of magnitude faster than his ship ever was so unless he's been around for many, many decades it's odd he knows so much about things far away from where they found him.
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Shakaar Edon - Tue, 17 Dec 2019 13:37:05 EST WLJtCX4q No.69245 Reply
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>>69243
Well yeah to say he ever had anything more than like secondhand knowledge most of the time would probably be overstating it.
If they encountered someone new Janeway would always just look over at Neelix and he'd be like 'I heard some shit about this race of people; they're bad news.' or just like if they had a positive reputation when dealing with his junk trading pedo community.

Then there was that episode where Voyager was getting past the part of the Delta Quadrant Neelix knew anything about, and he met up with his sketchy friend that tricked Neelix's dumb ass into like helping him rob some drug dealers in exchange for a map or some shit.
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Lauren - Tue, 17 Dec 2019 14:00:32 EST VLT18NsT No.69247 Reply
Voyager had lots of "problematic" episodes:
The Captain wants some fug in multiple episodes.

Dialog from Alice:
Tom: "Sounds like you're sorry to let her go"
Merchant: "In some ways she's like the daughter I couldn't marry off but that doesn't mean I'd trade her to just anyone."

Neelix: "There's nothing like having your own ship. I remember the first time I laid eyes on my little freighter Baxiel"
Tom: "No don't tell me: love at first sight"
Neelix: "Actually she was ugliest thing I ever saw" [both laugh] "but she grew on me. Eventually I couldn't imagine being without her."

I can't remember what episode, but Seven of Nine's classic bit:
B'elanna: [after reading PADD] " "How the hell do you know when we're having intimate relations?""
Seven: "There is no one on Deck 9, Section 12 who doesn't know when you're having intimate relations."

Voyager's dialogue was GOAT

>>69220
If you're not enthusiastic, people can have more than one aspect of a personality. That's the problem with Voyager, idiots watch it expecting everyone to act 100% the same damn way all the time.
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B'Elanna Torres - Tue, 17 Dec 2019 21:16:30 EST 3qRZTXLM No.69251 Reply
>>69247
Kate Mulgrew's own reading of Janeway is that she has major psychological issues because she's barely the same person episode to episode, scene to scene.

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