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Babylon 5

- Tue, 23 Jun 2020 00:51:42 EST LeuwNIoa No.70446
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Time to settle this debate once and for all. Was it better than DS9? Did you personally like it better than DS9?
G'Quan - Tue, 23 Jun 2020 01:20:52 EST 5SVJcPG+ No.70447 Reply
There are a lot of similarities between DS9 and B5 for sure but despite what they have in common they go about it complete differently IMO and I don't find them as easily comparable as most people. I love them both. I would maybe say that B5 is better if you consider both shows on their own and Trek never existed. That's pretty hard to do though. I'd also say that the very best of the best of DS9 is better than the best of the best of B5 episode for episode.
Dr. Yuris - Tue, 23 Jun 2020 07:45:22 EST 2PMvnQg3 No.70448 Reply
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I srill cant bring myself to finish the first episode
Grand Nagus Zek - Tue, 23 Jun 2020 09:45:01 EST WeqEW4po No.70449 Reply
I slogged through it. I couldn't bring myself to start episode 2.
Commander Sela - Tue, 23 Jun 2020 19:13:37 EST jwjJ078M No.70450 Reply
Babylon 5 had the stronger start for sure. DS9 has individual episodes in the middle of its run that stand out more. In both cases this is largely because DS9 doesn't rely on the arcplots so heavily and arcplots tend to be strongest early on. Both shows went to shit towards the end but arguably DS9 less so. That is to say Babylon 5's overarching plot is better but pick a random DS9 episode from the peak of its run vs an episode from the peak of B5 and DS9's will probably be better, even including the episodes that are part of a DS9 mini-arc (Dominion drama or whatever).
Lt. JG Nog - Tue, 23 Jun 2020 23:56:57 EST QP0sBlI0 No.70451 Reply
DS9 had the trek money in it and production was pretty good.
B5 was good too but it was a product of the 90s and it shows.
Noah Lessing - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 03:52:02 EST OoAY3Tf2 No.70457 Reply
Is there any fucking place to watch this show that isn't buying used DVDs or pirating it?
Colonel Lovok - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 07:45:36 EST FnTGlRRE No.70458 Reply

Honestly taking an L for something originally meant to consume once via antenna is an ok excuse to torrent it. You could try 1337x.to
Greer - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 13:20:50 EST OI3//Vl7 No.70460 Reply
B5 is just ridiculously better than DS9, it's not even close.
Admiral Patrick - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 13:53:46 EST mxXlaK50 No.70462 Reply
B5 has a tedious first season, made moreso by the fact that you have to watch it in order to understand later seasons even though it feels like filler, but is better overall
Badar N'D'D - Sat, 27 Jun 2020 01:09:09 EST zRsoliPR No.70469 Reply
Bablyon 5 is both better and worse than DS9. When the writing is good it's fucking great but the depths of the cringe are also deeper.
Curzon Odo - Sat, 27 Jun 2020 14:04:09 EST yGPwv2Sr No.70470 Reply
Yeah the humor in b5 is terrible
But eventually you get used to it
Broca - Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:36:31 EST xXdUGzuV No.70585 Reply
Why is there a B5 thread in here?
Temporal Agent Daniels - Sun, 09 Aug 2020 09:27:24 EST z9YUOs6r No.70588 Reply
>Yeah the humor in b5 is terrible
It's got some Starship Troopers vibes that Star Trek would never touch sometimes.

>*Guy hitting on hot chick*
*Captain walks in*
>*Guy starts to walk away with hot chick*
"Excuse me crewman, but the bajorpjorp females eat their mates"
>Guy: Uhhhh...
"Stick to the approved sexual congress list"
*Hot chick continues to smile seductively*
>*Guy is still reluctantly considering it*

Good shit.
Idrin - Sun, 09 Aug 2020 16:07:37 EST WLJtCX4q No.70590 Reply
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>It's got some Starship Troopers vibes that Star Trek would never touch sometimes.
yep it's a very different world than Trek. Much more of a fascist dystopia.

If you like everything about DS9 except for the more childish or "family-friendly" aspects of it, you would definitely enjoy Babylon 5.
Ulani Belor - Sun, 09 Aug 2020 18:17:21 EST Ld8N1Crg No.70592 Reply
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It was better than every Star Trek, especially your favorite series. Also, your local sports team sucks.
Zathras - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 02:04:37 EST I1bcRUZz No.70595 Reply
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"We're not some Deep Space franchise!"

I think it depends on who you ask. I only got into Babylon 5 because of this board, and I'm finally finishing it up. I can say both series handled things differently. Honestly though, Babylon 5 doesn't feel like competition, but rather a companion piece to Star Trek. JMS is obviously influenced by The Original Series of Trek, and I can't help but have that same TNG/DS9 cozy feeling when I watch B5. There's been playful jabs at DS9 but if anything, B5 is very Trek while still doing its own thing. Honestly, when I see Walter Koenig I no longer think of Chekov but am reminded of Bester. To me, that's quite a feat by itself.

I saw so many people say it was a slog or that they hated the CGI, but going in with that knowledge never soured the experience for me. I embraced it for what it was because it was charming. The same can be said for TOS. I see a lot of Trek fans say they don't like TOS for this reason, that it's a product of its time. That's true and it's fair enough, but I went into TOS embracing the campiness of it all and I had a great time with that show. Remember, B5 was the first show to use CGI so extensively. I think it's an admirable effort.

Both DS9 and B5 have great episodes and both have TERRIBLE episodes (see: Move Along Home or Grey 17 Is Missing). But what's so endearing about B5 to me is that this was all a product of one man. The storytelling is amazing, the dialogue is so quotable, and it really subverts your expectations. Things in season 1 have major payoffs later on down the road and it's incredibly satisfying.

Maybe it was just because Babylon 5 came into my life at the right time, maybe I'm a contrarian trying to be "different" or whatever, but I honestly prefer Babylon 5 over DS9. Like, I love Bashir but my favorite doctor is Dr. Franklin. I will always love Star Trek which is precisely why I love B5 so much. It just...gets it. It's like if Star Trek was influenced by dystopian themes present in 1984, yet you never feel like this is a grimdark and brooding show. It is still very much light-hearted and fun, and I think the humor is actually done well.

To anyone "slogging through" season 1, just check out episode 10 "Believers" for me. That is one thing I'll say that B5 did better than DS9. In terms of better overall though, very subjective. I do hope more Trek fans check out Babylon 5 now that most of us have happened ship of Nu Trek. Who knows, you might end up loving it like I did.

...or not. No one ever listens to Zathras.
Vice Admiral Leyton - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:14:04 EST jwjJ078M No.70596 Reply
>Also, your local sports team sucks.
You leave the Stanford University water polo team out of this.
Subcommander N'Vek - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:20:32 EST 0HEuT2P9 No.70597 Reply
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Yeah, idk, but I love Sinclair and that cheeky grin he keeps doing on every scene. Too bad the actor was a schizo and left after the first season.
Kirayoshi O'Brien - Sat, 15 Aug 2020 20:27:23 EST WLJtCX4q No.70621 Reply
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I always thought that Michael O'Hare had a great radio announcer voice.

I mean Sinclair was good but the show really benefited from getting Bruce Boxleitner as as his replacement.

Also I really can't stand Garibaldi's character. Fuck him and his stupid Daffy Duck framed picture above his bed.
Darlene Kursky - Sun, 16 Aug 2020 06:58:43 EST iIXJ+uT5 No.70625 Reply
I do like DS9 a bit better (juuuust a bit), and I also find that the big epic "lotr in space" approach to storytelling in B5 while commendable also hurts the show rewatchability. On the other hand, I must also say that what Straczynski did with Londo and G'kar remains unmatched, not even the best character arcs in Star Trek come close.
Guinan - Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:57:17 EST b048m/L8 No.70627 Reply

Personally I like Garibaldi, mostly because that scene from the future where he's gunning down endless waves of shadows with dual mini-guns and laughing like a madman.. but I gotta admit some of the Garibaldi-involved storylines dragged ass.

One good thing about Garibaldi is that if you pay close attention to his hairline, you can not only figure out what season you're in, but roughly what episode in the season, just from his hair. That man is the atomic clock of balding.
Raven Overcoming Orchid !Tz0ULG.7to - Sun, 27 Sep 2020 16:41:22 EST qYpS7rFS No.70753 Reply
They are mostly equal shows. DS9 had more production value but B5 was an original series not relying on the fame of a it's predecessors. I'm a Trek guy through and through but I appreciate Babylon 5 for what it is.
Guinan - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 13:36:28 EST b5S5rUVc No.70759 Reply
Spot on
Both series also suffer from a weak final season, in my opinion. In DS9, the momentum of the series comes to a screeching halt at the beginning of S6 and there's a bunch of mostly filler (Its Only a Paper Moon is not included in this, and the bank heist episode is pretty fun, but pretty much everything else in the first half of s7 is kinda trash.. look for yourself). As soon as they're done dicking around, DS9 goes into this sprint to finish line to make up for lost time where they have some 8 mostly-linked episodes in a row. The flow of s7 is remarkably uneven, and even though it ultimately has a very satisfying ending, it seems like we had a better way to spend the tail end of DS9 meeting worthless whiny bitch Dax's family when she should have never been allowed to set foot on DS9 because of the taboos of the Trill. Would've been nice to have an epilogue episode or two instead.

As for B5, they thought they were cancelled at the end of s4 so they blew their entire storyline load. It's why s4 is so fucking great, well except for the complete character assassination of Lennier by the writers which felt ingenuine and cringe. B5's season 5 is barely watchable because they replace Ivonova for basically no good reason and act like her replacement is just her. It's awful.. I basically hate every scene with whatever the fuck the new lady's name is, and they sure love to cram her in as much as possible. The reason for this change is the most upsetting part.. basically when they tried to contact the actress lady she didn't get back to them within 24 hours or something so the showrunner guy got his panties in a bunch and replaced her.

B5's last season is much worse than DS9's. At least the war episodes in DS9 are still good, all B5's got left storyline wise is mostly Bester stuff, which although entertaining wasn't compelling enough for me to make the final season worth its time
Ambassador Thoris - Sun, 04 Oct 2020 03:13:52 EST hSHxxrKP No.70767 Reply
They had a spin-off, iirc. It was some bullshit about finding a cure for whatever plague it was that the space-Carpathians dosed Earth with. It sucked.
Guinan - Tue, 06 Oct 2020 02:08:17 EST KIlmUEjt No.70772 Reply
"Crusade". Its absolute dogshit. Hard to believe that its made by many of the same people from B5. Its really, really bad. Might be the worst show I ever finished.
Guinan - Tue, 06 Oct 2020 02:09:27 EST KIlmUEjt No.70773 Reply
They should have pulled the same thing TNG and DS9 did with having more overlap between characters on the two series
Pah-wraith - Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:50:24 EST ZIQRDEai No.70837 Reply
>CBS turned down several proposals in the mid-2000s to restart the franchise. These included pitches from film director Bryan Singer, Babylon 5 creator J. Michael Straczynski, and Trek actors Jonathan Frakes and William Shatner.
Corporal F Hawkins - Tue, 20 Oct 2020 03:08:35 EST TTcXb8JG No.70838 Reply
Apparently the CEO at the time hated science fiction.
Ambassador Soval - Wed, 21 Oct 2020 15:50:16 EST QAI1OjEf No.70848 Reply
I wonder if we really needed something like that. I feel like B5 in and of itself is satisfying enough for me. Added anything more like Crusade could muddy things up. I'm kind of leaning toward, "glad that never happened" but also would've been interesting to see. We may never know. If a reboot happens now it could be plagued with identity politics and dumbing down for marketability so not sure if want.

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