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- Wed, 27 Feb 2019 15:06:17 EST NQLbEmHe No.95213
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I've been fasting on rest days (4 days/week) and eating more to make up for it on workout days for about 2 weeks, I've lost a good amount of weight since I'm at around 8000-9000 kcal deficit/week, but working out feels incredibly difficult and I'm sure I've gotten weaker. The thing is, my main goal is fat loss and secondary is strength maintenance, but if I'm going to lose too much strength I'd rather do it the old fashioned way. Any thoughts on this approach?
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Eugene Semmlespear - Wed, 27 Feb 2019 18:17:48 EST XM3s6gUO No.95214 Reply
That's a pretty aggressive cut OP. I did something similar last year by only eating about 1000 calories a day in a 3-4 hour window. I was able to lose 60 lbs in a little over three months but I still looked like skinny-fat shit due to to massive amount of muscle loss. And I felt weak pretty much constantly. In hindsight I should have aimed more for a 3000-4000 calorie deficit a week, which I've been told translates to about a pound a week. And consume at least a gram of protein per pound of body weight to minimize muscle loss as much as possible.
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Jenny Blackfuck - Thu, 28 Feb 2019 08:06:15 EST Z40yGYC2 No.95215 Reply
My thoughts are that you're going to die on this approach. 9000 deficit/week = 1285 deficit/day.
For reference, I did a 250 deficit/day for a slow but steady cut.
My personal rule of thumb is to keep my weekly deficit lower than my Recommended Daily Intake at maintenance. Cutting 9000 calories every week is like not eating 3 days every week.

Why do you think you need to be this drastic? How do you think you will look or feel at the end of this cut?
If I had to bet I'd bet you'll end up looking and feeling like a skinny-fat marathon runner during the low point of his run.
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Henry Heshfot - Thu, 28 Feb 2019 17:43:52 EST NQLbEmHe No.95216 Reply
>>95215
I'm definitely not going to die, I should have mentioned that I'm at 30% BF 93 kg so I'll be fine. The reason I'm doing this is because I want to get lean as soon as possible, although I may be overdoing it by not eating 4 days/week. My current goal is to hit 80 kg while maintaining most of my strength, although you're probably right on the muscle burning thing. I really hope it's not true, but it would definitely make sense if I actually lost a crapload of muscle in the process. I'm observing my strength closely every session and if I feel I'm getting too weak I'm obviously gonna jump on an aggressive cut and keep going from there.
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Eugene Gonderhall - Fri, 01 Mar 2019 12:59:54 EST Riy5Wxin No.95218 Reply
>>95215
It's not super extreme and losing weight faster is not what results in loose skin. At least not long run. Either your skin shrinks or it doesn't and if it doesn't then being bigger for longer won't help. I think OP's issue is probably that his diet just sucks overall.

I've done 7K/week for long periods of time. Though now I'm not fat I don't do it for more than 6 weeks or so. I just finished a cut from christmas and have found no losses. I've actually made progress in tiny amounts.

As for OP, I am of the opinion that you should do more cardio and eat more when doing this, or eat a little more evenly. I do days where I lift and days where I do half an hour of high intensity cardio as my standard 6 out of 7 days per week routine. Then I eat reasonably well. If you are fasting you're reducing your protein intake and macronutrients to 0. This is not going to be good for avoiding wastage. You can definitely vary intake by day but I wouldn't just not eat several days a week and do intense exercise and expect great results. You should be hitting at least 50g of protein per day and that's not if you're training strength or anything. Now if you're not eating 4 days a week you need 120g+ on the days you eat and really much more. Probably as much as your body can take. You're probably not eating 150g+ of protein on those eating days are you?
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Esther Brocklelerk - Sat, 02 Mar 2019 20:18:29 EST VjKjZp7D No.95223 Reply
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>>95218
I am eating about 200g on eating/training days, but I've come to the realization that fasting and lifting don't go together. It simply is not possible for my body to maintain (let alone make progress) strength while being on such a deficit. It's sad because this is pretty much the fastest way to lose weight, but looking back at these last weeks I've simply not seen any satisfying results while feeling noticeably weaker and I'd say that keeping muscle mass is more important than losing fat fast. Back to 500 deficit/day it is then.
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Molly Goodwater - Mon, 04 Mar 2019 13:11:04 EST Riy5Wxin No.95230 Reply
>>95223
I did a bit more research, you actually should be eating protein every day, I think recovery/'growth occurs over more than 24 hours. A complete fast is not a good plan. I can maintain strength on -1000 and did so from Christmas until early february, I had a big party weekend (more for my sanity than body, set me back a week but that was planned and it was worth it) and then continued for another 3 weeks. My strength did not dip it increased slightly. Perhaps having a bigger deficit on some days and almost none on others will work as long as you're not pruning back your protein too much when you fast (and don't reduce your fibre)

I am not a huge guy but I have a higher lean weight than you and I'm making headway into my 30s. Bodies and lifestyles do vary though.
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Rebecca Wackledure - Thu, 04 Apr 2019 04:43:16 EST cnEMkfz5 No.95289 Reply
>>95230
Agreed. If you have to fast, cut protein last.
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Barnaby Hirringlock - Fri, 26 Jul 2019 22:28:10 EST U03PfSce No.95623 Reply
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No carbs please
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Eugene Drangerdock - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 11:33:22 EST hbfQHISq No.95638 Reply
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Stay away from that rabbit starvation, y'all
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Barnaby Crirringway - Sat, 31 Aug 2019 07:22:14 EST gt5KHLaG No.95753 Reply
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>>95213
Losing weight and gaining strength are two different goals. Usually it's hard to do both at the same time.

>>95623
Still got some fat up there. Heh.
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Ian Sevingpodging - Sat, 31 Aug 2019 15:35:59 EST Wc4dfmYk No.95755 Reply
>>95753
>losing weight and gaining strength

But isn't this not so bad since the weight from fat turns into weight from muscle? nb.
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Eliza Cippersidge - Mon, 16 Sep 2019 05:31:52 EST fsEMAeoq No.95794 Reply
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>>95755
>Fat turns to muscle
I don't think it works that way...
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Hugh Dollysure - Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:21:24 EST Wc4dfmYk No.95796 Reply
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>>95794

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that fat literally morphs into muscle. Is that what I said? I don't think that's what I said. I mean, what I had was implicating, was that by working out you would be losing fat while gaining muscle.

I can explain further if need be? Need or needn't, friend? I have the whole rest of my life ahead of me. Or is it behind me? Behind... bees. Bees are hive creatures that collect pollen. Pollen.. pollen is like plant jizz, and as we all know tree bukkake is a serious problem in some places. Places are like things, and stuff. IF we go to them, we are there. There.. there is like where, but a command instead of question.
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Ebenezer Murdshaw - Mon, 16 Sep 2019 23:52:47 EST PT9qj0Lm No.95797 Reply
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>>95794
man, I've got a gut muscle the size of a fuckin keg now
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