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GamerGate by Akebono - Wed, 16 May 2018 01:28:09 EST ID:veLPaJV8 No.4715300 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hey guys. Remember gamergate? Remember how mad everyone was about everything? What ever happened with all that?

It sort of reminds me of satanic panic or something. One of these things that grips people, then without realizing it, it's all gone away.
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Tito Santana - Wed, 16 May 2018 01:30:25 EST ID:i+/IM0dL No.4715301 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I still don't understand the significance of Gamergate or what even happened, nor do I really care
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Kirtaner Aster - Wed, 16 May 2018 01:38:17 EST ID:dyvkVwoO No.4715304 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Some chick fucked her way to the top. But it wasn't really the top at all and most people who play video games probably never noticed anyway like me. There were some articles about how bad gamers are as people, but that really never lasted stuck. It was stupid and they even spoke in front of the UN who probably imagine casinos when the word gaming is spoken.
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Reporter Nigel - Wed, 16 May 2018 01:40:51 EST ID:XuQfNk/o No.4715305 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Remember when scandals used to have distinctive names like Teapot Dome or XYZ Affair, instead of just having the suffix '-gate' lazily slapped on to every run of the mill story of the week
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MatildaSubblepuck.rar - Wed, 16 May 2018 01:41:20 EST ID:hbhQMeZV No.4715306 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah, the movement of the people in the various forms it takes is quite a trip.

I find the end of fads and happenings fascinating. I often wonder about the turning point where an idea has climaxed and people begin to escape its grasp. These movements set and shape our world, but the mental processes that fuel them are so mundane, silly even.
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Ben Dover - Wed, 16 May 2018 01:54:31 EST ID:PU7Cf1jp No.4715308 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715301
It was literally a government psyop to disrupt game developer communities. Indies in particular used to be fairly tight-knit and also pretty fucking punk, but then gamergate blew everything to shit by putting anybody with an ounce of political independence at odds with all the industry kingmakers and gatekeepers and their cronies who demanded everybody think in perfect "social justice" lockstep. The goalposts kept moving around so that no matter how enlightened you were the only thing that mattered was blind obedience to whatever twitter drama groupthink was going down on any given day.

Naturally this stupid bullshit cascaded throughout the entire industry and players were hit pretty hard too, but I'm convinced developers were the real target.


>>4715304
Nobody cared all that much about the girl fucking journalists (although I'm not convinced that even really happened, but she was clearly a mercenary who would do degrading shit for money so there's every chance she was basically an actor playing a role as a lightning rod, and her "publicity agency" has weird ties to the DoD and a DARPA project specifically about using games for cultural manipulation).
Everyone was mad by how little integrity there was on the journalistic side, which had already been a sore spot for devs for like... decades.
The journalists and twitter parasites responded by accusing any and all critics of "misogyny" which they could do thanks to aforementioned salacious lightning rod, who was pretty indefensible but also female and therefore politically invulnerable. And it just went around in circles like that.
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Eric Bischoff - Wed, 16 May 2018 02:10:45 EST ID:THF/nn94 No.4715312 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715300
From what little I know of it I think it was one of those things that only people fenced in online communities with each other thought was a thing.

The rest of us continued to purchase and play our busty anime girl fighting games and shit talk n'wahs in ESO like nothing happened. Since you know, nothing actually happened.

It's like when Datsik got accused of rape. I had just been to one of his concerts and didnt even hear about all that until someone commented on my Ninja Nation shirt.
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John Handstands - Wed, 16 May 2018 02:14:20 EST ID:RFxPQjQo No.4715315 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Breitbart-affiliated right used it to their advantage and made a lot of young men attracted to their brand of politics because they were seemingly just pro-vidya. I think that's starting to wear off to some degree, at the very least it's lost a lot of its edge. The actual controversy stopped being the center of the problem, and it became increasingly about resenting women in the video games industry, which publishers then used the threat of to enforce a certain kind of conformity. Things were made worse by certain figures getting constant death threats from angry extremely online guys, and flash games like the one where you literally beat up Anita Sarkeesian did not help the case of those concerned about the original controversy. /v/ at the time had a real hard on for being angry, probably still does but I haven't been in a good while because of all this nonsense making the board unreadable, but an amateur press that catered to their feelings of anger because of its profitability emerged and took full advantage. /v/ and other boards became reliable outrage generators and outrage is proven to drive ad revenue.

In the end, people got bored, and moved on to generic anti-feminism, racism, and other reactionary political causes, because that was partly the intention of the outrage generators like Milo Y., who at the time was the tech editor for Breitbart. There's only so much mileage you can get out of some bullshit over a game "journalist" sleeping with a developer. It also made a bunch of people look like children, because who gives a fuck about games "journalism" to begin with? Shit was so ridiculous, looking back. Basically Project Chanology 2.0.

>>4715308
>weird ties to the DoD and a DARPA project specifically about using games for cultural manipulation

Guarantee it was to make the DoD look good, probably giving "strategic advice" to companies like Treyarch, DICE and Infinity Award when it comes to what you can get away with depicting the US armed forces. The Pentagon has had contracts in the culture industry for decades that give studios real equipment to film in exchange for positive portrayals of the military. "Cultural manipulation" just about sums that up.
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William de Sitter - Wed, 16 May 2018 02:46:06 EST ID:iETJZypl No.4715327 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715300
Dead simple. Those freak lost the window of time they had before it world zeroed in on the fact that gamers are society's ultimate refuse, that their hoby is shat on so eagerly by corporate america, with feminists being at the frontlines of that having their currently, because it's fucking depraved. Because it's ultimate, most-pointless delusionality by design.

They may have been able to make their point to the world about how they're getting shat on, but at the cost of exposing themselves, unfortunately letting the world know that they're a fucking toilet.
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William de Sitter - Wed, 16 May 2018 02:53:02 EST ID:iETJZypl No.4715329 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715304
That wasn't it at all. The issue was that the game "press" was an extremely loaded promotion machine for the game industry, dead set on aggressively masquarading as journalists. To evade this issue, they successfully diverted this issue to the "girl who fucked five guys" drama.

And because they were such a mindless publicity machine, they embraced "social justice" as something with which to pretend to be intelligent and to pretend that videa games have a higher purpose.
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Captain Goroth - Wed, 16 May 2018 03:13:39 EST ID:tgoHGv9Y No.4715338 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715300
Sitch has a good summary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STl7-_f4_eA
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Cameraman Basil - Wed, 16 May 2018 03:15:04 EST ID:ODFcHjR3 No.4715339 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715315
>who gives a fuck about games "journalism" to begin with?
Uh. Game developers? Particularly independent devs who don't have marketing engines behind them and were painfully aware of industry kingmaking.
The fact that they're considerably more irrelevant today than they were at the time might have a lot to do with the disgrace of gamergate, but yeah, they were never prestigious.

But doesn't that have a lot to do with their complete dearth of ethics? Which was exactly what people objected to.

>and it became increasingly about resenting women in the video games industry
I'm not sure that ever happened. It was certainly overwhelmingly reported that way from the beginning, but there was never a balanced, objective overview of what people wanted. They were cast as the bad guys from day one.
People are always gonna have fun with controversy or opportunistically exploit current events with edgy games, those are always around. So what if there were some silly flash games? So what if a couple of dudes threatened some of the people who--equally opportunistically, and just like Milo--placed themselves in the centre of the drama? Maybe shitty behaviour (regardless of how much actually happened, as some of that stuff was provably faked), but that doesn't mean you can paint everybody with the same brush or even use it to point to trends of any sort in a vacuum. From what I saw people were focused pretty much exclusively on the matter of journalistic ethics from the beginning, and only became more firmly entrenched in that issue as they were forced to repeatedly defend themselves from accusations otherwise.

>The Pentagon has had contracts in the culture industry for decades that give studios real equipment to film in exchange for positive portrayals of the military. "Cultural manipulation" just about sums that up
Sure, I think most of us are aware of those programmes. But how many game devs do you think are getting Harrier jets on loan from the DoD?
Let alone some unknown indie dev who was completely irrelevant before this drama?

And as I recall, it was some DiGRA project specifically about the propaganda potential of games.
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Cmdr. Erika Benteen - Wed, 16 May 2018 07:08:06 EST ID:IEgs+Tii No.4715375 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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lol, and reading this thread just goes to show that there are still hold-outs and people who completely failed to understand what happened.

Let's quickly sum it up for the historians:

>"Muh gf is a cheating slut, she slept her way to the top."
>"Wow, really? What a cunt! The system is corrupt!"
>"Uh, no she didn't... Here's the proof."
>"Well... Uh... There is still corruption among journalists!"
>"No shit, but who cares? Gaming journalists are literally worthless when you can watch the game on YouTube"

Which brings us to another dilemma... Streamers and lets-players getting early copies! Good or bad? Well, "real" gamer DarkSydePhil decided to weigh in yesterday afternoon and promptly got torn to shreds.
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Lilith Failburry - Wed, 16 May 2018 07:13:12 EST ID:QCqouIfa No.4715378 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715300
i found this a particularly informative video series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y8XgGhXkTQ&pbjreload=10
basically the future started hating on feminists for lulz,
then they were like 'we're not trolling it's about ETHICS'
then they got a whole lot of other people on board who never understood it was for lulz and were scared they would feel uncomfortable after someone pointed out sexism in their video games.
then because basically people joined up because they needed reasons to come to a preconcluded point - that feminists are bad and wrong - they started turning their shit into conspiracy theories.
then it all turned into fucking constant fuckshittery
now no one wants to be associated.
the original trolls are still lolling
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Cmdr. Erika Benteen - Wed, 16 May 2018 07:26:33 EST ID:IEgs+Tii No.4715381 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715375

And here is the blog post for anyone autistic enough to care in 2018: https://thezoepost.wordpress.com

That blog post was the Genesis of Gamergate. It was that blog post that incited loads of bored, angry incels to finally rise up against a corrupt industry! Yeah... Seriously, good luck if you read that shit, it's gay as fuck and grade A cringe.
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Kitty Pride - Wed, 16 May 2018 07:38:50 EST ID:sYnd26Bl No.4715383 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My take on what happened is this.

For ~20 years gaming media had been reveling in its status as a hobby for pasty basement-dwelling, predominantly male and sexually frustrated nerds. They made jokes about it, cheerleaded it and never once implied it was a problem.

And then, slowly, gaming became the highest earning form of entertainment. The fanbase started widening, the gender divisions of the internet atheist community were just beginning, the the future-Tumblr raiding was setting off an internet culture war. Corporate money was flowing in, casual and console gaming exploded, and those same gaming media saw the writing on the wall.

So what did they do?

They threw the basement dwelling nerds under the bus. They turned around and pointed at them, and said, "The problem isn't us, isn't the money in the industry, isn't corruption, it's THEM". It called them misogynistic, it called the reactionary and it championed diversity as if that was going to fix the corrupt nature of the industry. You don't have to talk about EA or Ubisoft's shitty corporate practices, you can talk about how they didn't put enough girls and black people in their games. You don't have to talk about under the table payments for all kinds of things, you can talk about how harassment is destroying gaming. And you can make millions on the clickbait.

Is it really at all surprising that many of those same nerds thought "hang on, maybe I am a misogynistic reactionary, and maybe the problem in gaming IS women and diversity?"

And that's how IGN, Kotaku and Jezebel laid the radicalizing foundations of the alt-right and Trump.
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Molly Backleson - Wed, 16 May 2018 08:31:01 EST ID:6tBq4JQ6 No.4715403 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715300
Shit was fucking stupid from the beginning. And it is still going on, but now it's about "Ethnics in video game journalism" not "Ethics in video game journalism".
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Silver King - Wed, 16 May 2018 08:34:24 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4715404 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715383
>It's not my fault I have my opinions! They made me do it by telling me they were bad so I had to!
fuck off
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Paul Jullemier - Wed, 16 May 2018 08:38:11 EST ID:wTQ6+qhK No.4715405 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715383
So, if you tell people to not do Bad Things, but they go out and do Bad Things anyway, that makes it your fault for telling them not to do it?
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Cameraman Hedda - Wed, 16 May 2018 09:04:32 EST ID:2Z8bkIpX No.4715414 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I've never heard of this
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Magma Admin George - Wed, 16 May 2018 09:04:57 EST ID:rkqXNq+N No.4715415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715300
Props for recalling gamergate in the past tense.

Plenty of people still won't let it die.
GamerGhazi and KotakuInAction subreddits are both deplorable as all fuck.

GamerGate was many different things and these morons conflated the many several points of view surrounding it and consolidated it into two camps.

Meanwhile there's me and the rest of a quiet majority in the middle thinking: wait, you fucks are still talking about GamerGate? Still defining your own identity with it? Pathetic.

There was a pre-existing undercurrent of dissent about games journalism that didn't give a fuck about Zoe Quinn's pussy or where it's been. But they incidentally got signal boosted by the whole affair, the 4chin harassment squad tried to co-opt their legitimate points and in the end it all got lumped in with GamerGaters.
The SJW crowd wanted this so they could be more easily dismissed. The GamerGater crowd wanted this so they could seem more legitimate, if only to themselves. But the people who were already complaining about games journalism wanted no part of it when the attention started to turn toxic from all sides.

Fuck the culture war. 100% gutter trash.

>>4715383
>"The problem isn't us, isn't the money in the industry, isn't corruption, it's THEM". It called them misogynistic, it called the reactionary and it championed diversity as if that was going to fix the corrupt nature of the industry.
And then, seeing the success of these stunts, Amy Pascal and Sony Pictures played the same cards to try to prop up a lazy Ghostbusters remake. The worst thing that has happened from all of this is how it proved that this shitty drama and signal boosting the most disruptive, toxic and damaging elements of online discourse could be turned to benefit of cynical interests. Then it took a place in politics and the state of things has never been more depressing.

And on top of that, old media is now taking heavy shots at new media and it's fucking working. WSJ and such severely hurt the whole of YouTube over extreme edge-cases and PewDiePie outbursts.
So whenever you catch the slightest whiff of this kind of manipulation, shut the fuck up. Take no part in it. Quietly hang your head in disdain like a civilized person.
Outrage masturbation is the cancer of the internet, and it's infecting real life. I couldn't be more ashamed of my participation in it.
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MatildaNecklelin.eps - Wed, 16 May 2018 09:10:27 EST ID:wea4iTxT No.4715416 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>caring about what anyone in the videogame "industry" thinks
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William de Sitter - Wed, 16 May 2018 09:12:44 EST ID:blj1ib4x No.4715417 Ignore Report Quick Reply
i still don't know what the fuck it is
barely play videogames and never read a videogame review
this is the stuff white people bitch about when they have nothing else to bitch about, like the NFL kneeling shit
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Witch of Izalith - Wed, 16 May 2018 09:15:25 EST ID:WyJBdMq7 No.4715419 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It was a stupid shitshow and I'm glad that it's over
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Ejnar Hertzprung - Wed, 16 May 2018 09:26:46 EST ID:xIvA5Qzu No.4715422 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It was just a reminder that the internet and internet "journalism" are terrible.
We wouldn't even know about it if all those clickbait websites didn't pick up on it.
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JarvisBrookshaw.pps - Wed, 16 May 2018 09:38:33 EST ID:xDTINfqf No.4715423 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715422
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Philippe Rochat - Wed, 16 May 2018 09:40:49 EST ID:RcJbj4+J No.4715425 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715417
Ignorance is not a virtue, maybe if your kind would care more about quality standards then Africa wouldn't be such a shithole.
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Witch of Izalith - Wed, 16 May 2018 09:45:47 EST ID:WyJBdMq7 No.4715427 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715425

>he thinks #####gamergate is actually important and not just a dead horse being beaten by clickbait outlets to exploit raging NEETS and purple-haired college freaks for cheap ad money
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Low Ki - Wed, 16 May 2018 09:46:10 EST ID:jN4KamNS No.4715428 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Dood morrowind is the most epic adventure you will experience my dood
>Try it. Even downloaded the Overhaul
>mfw

Great world, terrible game. I was trying my best to actually fucking play this broken ass game, but when my dood told me i had to keep sleeping in the basement of the Fighters guild until the assassin spawns so i get to kill him and sell his loot to afford training my character so he would only miss like 5 out of twenty attempts i decided to quit you stupid shit game. Whenever i ask why the Overhaul didnt fix the gameplay, they tell me its perfect the way it is and you're supposed to die by a fucking rat cause lol you cant hit it lmao go loot more boxes and grind dark brotherhood assassin
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Nicolaus Copernicus - Wed, 16 May 2018 09:58:26 EST ID:6LvtdVif No.4715431 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715428
I know right? An rpg where you do t start as an unstopable god and have to actually level up? Pffft pass.
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Philippe Rochat - Wed, 16 May 2018 10:02:08 EST ID:RcJbj4+J No.4715433 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715427
Stop pretending to know what people think
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Magma Admin George - Wed, 16 May 2018 10:11:38 EST ID:rkqXNq+N No.4715437 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715433
Just follow the cynicism.
>>47154256
>maybe if your kind would care more about quality standards then Africa wouldn't be such a shithole
Maybe if you knew more than one thing about Africa you'd know that it's only a few specific countries that are shitholes and they're as far apart as Honduras and Alaska.

Not everybody lives in South Sudan.
and btw fuck you Eritrea, hogging all the shoreline, denying Ethiopia access to one of the greatest trade routes in the world.
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FannyGengerhall.ps - Wed, 16 May 2018 10:32:53 EST ID:nToLLoCr No.4715440 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715437

I live in south sudan.
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Atsushi Kotoge - Wed, 16 May 2018 10:33:42 EST ID:GaraCjmf No.4715441 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I remember GamerGate as the event that showed the lack of enlightened moral principles and fible mindendness of this site's founders.
It became clear 420chan is a platform that has mostly outgrown (in a philisophical sense) Kirt. To me it's interesting in the sense of a psychological character study - how the flame of an anarchic, wild, true spirit is extinguished by long-term relationship and a stable career and position in the "real world".
From "how old is your daughter I would like to have sex with her" to banning people speaking against some internet person because "she's his friend" so of course he also has to parrot her political/social positions.
To me it's a reminder of how important it is to stick to the values of the Age of Enlightenement and the dangers of society which tries to corrupt our minds.
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Rhonda Rousey - Wed, 16 May 2018 11:09:40 EST ID:TFOJoW00 No.4715462 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715441
Did he really ban gamergate discussion? What a dunce
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Silver King - Wed, 16 May 2018 11:12:37 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4715464 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715441
You don't seem to have stated an actual position other than "it used to be better and now it's bad".
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Michael Fucktart - Wed, 16 May 2018 11:16:04 EST ID:0+fjLdkG No.4715466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Everyone became an adult and stopped crying over videogames.
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Atsushi Kotoge - Wed, 16 May 2018 11:34:04 EST ID:GaraCjmf No.4715470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715464
actually wasn't saying that at all
420chan's userbase quality which is the quality of the board itself hasn't changed much
Kirt and Spardot however who as the founders are identified with the site are on a downward spiral morally
specifically Kirt - men in general gave a higher capacity for understanding truth
when this site was founded he wasn't someone who would ban people for speaking against a ridiculous internet person with clearly shitty opinions - even if it's his friend or whatever
so my main point is: look how even a seemingly wildly individualistic person who built something as unique as 420chan, can with time due to lack of diligence towards his own mind, gets poisoned and his true essence destroyed with time in "normal" society, living the "normal" lifestyle
a warning to anyone going through their late 20's at the moment
be diligent and don't give yourself up
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Magma Admin George - Wed, 16 May 2018 11:51:17 EST ID:rkqXNq+N No.4715474 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715462
Are you serious? How can you possibly fault him for getting rid of a bullshit magnet topic that was getting spammed on the future at the time to the point where there were 3 concurrent threads about it at any time? It was like the fat black cocks + circumcision debate of controversy and they were sick of the relentless onslaught.

Also protip: most topics that get banned like that are because a bunch of people pile into /420/ and ask for it.
>>4715441

>>4715415
>So whenever you catch the slightest whiff of this kind of manipulation, shut the fuck up.

I'm out niggas. Keep wondering why while this thread gets locked. Because you ruined it. Don't worry though. It was always gonna happen.You're just the jackass who actually swung the hatchet first
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Michael Chiarello - Wed, 16 May 2018 12:10:39 EST ID:fEptTPiu No.4715484 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715462
It can't have been a very effective ban, because I remember there being multiple threads about it at a time, and other threads getting derailed into gamergate discussion.

Some people were really hot about it, and there were days you couldn't get away from it.
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Rhonda Rousey - Wed, 16 May 2018 12:11:59 EST ID:TFOJoW00 No.4715485 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715474
So it's justified to entirely censor and disallow discussion if some idiot makes a thread without checking the catalog? Is that honestly your justification?
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Smokey Mcbongwater - Wed, 16 May 2018 12:25:53 EST ID:BowkiUKZ No.4715493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715485
How about you fuck right back off to the future you fucking faggot?
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Eric Bischoff - Wed, 16 May 2018 12:31:37 EST ID:THF/nn94 No.4715498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715485
Catalog? Are you trying to order something? I think they're out of the glow in the dark TCC-tan posters right now
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Emma Cimmerlotch - Wed, 16 May 2018 12:33:04 EST ID:bruBGo3D No.4715499 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715498
I never got my taima shot glasses, damn you KIRT!!!
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Silver King - Wed, 16 May 2018 12:39:10 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4715501 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715470
You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything
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Krazy K - Wed, 16 May 2018 12:41:44 EST ID:KStiCNkP No.4715502 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715474
>So whenever you catch the slightest whiff of this kind of manipulation, shut the fuck up.
Exactly my meaning. This is the only correct reaction which stems from the only correct opinion (basically that it's white noise aimed to distract) and which goes hand in hand with the true spirit of 420chan.
Kirt abandoned that spirit somewhere along the way by taking sides (the right thing would have been banning everyone discussing this - he banned people from only one side) same as he did with politics by banning only those that propagate rightwing opinions.
This is an example of someone who goes against the gravel finally succbing and becoming the gravel itself.
Doesn't say anything about the site since there's plenty of people who have been here long and still embody the true philosophy of 420chan.
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Jenny Pickhood - Wed, 16 May 2018 12:43:29 EST ID:kHHR4HEL No.4715503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715470
Nah, he's just a dumb fag that managed to do something right and make this site. Just because he can code doesn't make him smart and doesn't mean he ever had valid opinions on anything besides drugs and code.
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William de Sitter - Wed, 16 May 2018 12:45:22 EST ID:blj1ib4x No.4715504 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715485
>without checking the catalog?

lol way to out yourself as a week long refugee
kindly fuck off back to your cesspool
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Rhonda Rousey - Wed, 16 May 2018 12:56:57 EST ID:TFOJoW00 No.4715513 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715504
Lol my bad. Yeah dude I'm a DEA infiltrator.
I bet these angry nerds dont even remember netjester
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Luiz Cane - Wed, 16 May 2018 12:57:27 EST ID:gLnaddQ6 No.4715514 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715470
Don't grow as a human being and keep being the person that no one wanted to sign their yearbook. Just double down on all your terrible teenage traits while in your 20's, it's the only path to success. Wear your trip pants and fox tail to work and bitch when people stare at you. Get angry that black people exist in the same reality as you. Be aggressive and have a weird rape vibe when talking to women then blame them when it doesn't lead to sex. You are all perfect just the way you are.
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Jenny Goodwater - Wed, 16 May 2018 12:59:29 EST ID:OwKUJaFF No.4715517 Ignore Report Quick Reply
GG hasn't gone away. It's now a daily battle that sparked the "alt-right" and other sjw opponents.
Trump benefited a lot from GG and the retardocity of the bloated extreme left.
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Samuel Fengerstone - Wed, 16 May 2018 13:09:24 EST ID:H83rla5m No.4715529 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>worrying about the video game press
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Robert Dicke - Wed, 16 May 2018 14:06:10 EST ID:m9PpuE3G No.4715551 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715485
>So it's justified to entirely censor

I'll do you one better, friend. I think anyone who takes Gamergate seriously should be lined up and shot.
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Mordoc - Wed, 16 May 2018 15:34:17 EST ID:XhvAPMi7 No.4715584 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715551
So you?
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Luiz Cane - Wed, 16 May 2018 15:36:35 EST ID:gLnaddQ6 No.4715587 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715584
Yeah, why not. One less jolly african-american.
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Luiz Cane - Wed, 16 May 2018 15:38:16 EST ID:gLnaddQ6 No.4715588 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715584
But just to be clear you will too and you're also a bigger jolly african-american than him so when your insides are splattered like burst fruit pocket it will count as double the jolly african-american lossage.
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Mordoc - Wed, 16 May 2018 15:41:18 EST ID:XhvAPMi7 No.4715595 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715588
Works for me lol
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Pax - Wed, 16 May 2018 15:53:08 EST ID:olHduLCH No.4715598 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715514
gosh thanks man, i really needed that today
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Keiko O'Brien - Wed, 16 May 2018 15:58:23 EST ID:FFUOVbBK No.4715599 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715587
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Magma Admin George - Wed, 16 May 2018 15:59:39 EST ID:rkqXNq+N No.4715600 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715517
>GG hasn't gone away. It's now a daily battle that sparked the "alt-right"
Incorrect. There were any number of ways this could have happened and plenty of reasons it was going to happen anyway. And oh, by the way it was already happening.

>>4715485
It's justified to ban any topic that would otherwise be permanently shitting up the board in off-topic fashion.

But the mods need to seriously lay off the permabans, all it does is burn public pool IP addresses. Seriously why the fuck do they bother? Just say it's a permaban and time it out after 8 months anyway. Nobody will know the difference except for the random people who pull one of those IPs, see what some other asshole posted and then restart their shit.
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Silver King - Wed, 16 May 2018 16:01:11 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4715601 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715600
>Incorrect. Then this sentence goes on to implicitly agree with what he said.
dude what
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Paul Bocuse - Wed, 16 May 2018 16:04:26 EST ID:VAwC9DFu No.4715603 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715514
IDK man sounds kinda straw man-like to me.
Did you really wear fox tails and not sign anyone's year book in highschool?
Damn, no wonder you want to change everything about yourself.
>talks about improving and changing
>still posts on a chan all these years later.
I don't even....
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Alan Balls - Wed, 16 May 2018 16:12:44 EST ID:ZdTMw7oo No.4715609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Gamergate pretty much ruined the internet. Before GG gamers would only voice their retarded opinions about video games. After GG they think they somehow understand society and politics although they only spew Alex Jones tier brain farts.
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Magma Admin George - Wed, 16 May 2018 16:14:17 EST ID:rkqXNq+N No.4715610 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715601
The only thing GG triggered were neckbeards and feminists.
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William de Sitter - Wed, 16 May 2018 18:42:49 EST ID:iETJZypl No.4715668 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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To boil it down really thoroughly, the premise is a load of bullshit that stretches out to mind boggling proportions.

>Wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, us poor, poor gaymers have it so fucking hard nowadays...

...shut the fuck up, gamers weren't this whiny the previous decade or whenever!

What's the difference between you and them? Basically, that you have access to more games and that you're gorging on he results of orders of magnitude of Moore's fucking Law!

Is the game industry coming into your houses and taking away games other than their present offerings? Is the game industry forbidding you from going to other sources for gaming-related-devices? Is the game industry forbidding you to use things like physical media in relation to games? Is the game industry raiding you like the BSA used to do, or like the RIAA and MPAA?

Whiny maggots, plain and simple!
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Ensign Robin Lefler - Wed, 16 May 2018 19:15:31 EST ID:sp1ClNOz No.4715695 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715668
You're seriously one-siding the whole thing.
>you're gorging on he results of orders of magnitude of Moore's fucking Law!
This is a red herring. Moore's Law has actually complicated the task of creating video games and resulted in a lot of consolidation at the high end, pandering to the least common denominator etc.

Plus gamers have more to bitch about than ever now that there's actual nefarious psychological manipulation in play. Sure in extreme cases like Star Wars: Battlefront 2 the community will reject it, the size of the community will take a hit and the product will be swiftly abandoned 8 months later. But we have a clear case of the government not giving a shit about the real immoral stuff going on within and around the industry.
Meanwhile they'll drum up panic about video game violence when it suits them, which is an oversimplistic concern from people who are essentially uninformed. But all the same it serves as a great distraction for the industry as it keeps on pushing the boundaries.

Indie games get us away from all of that bullshit, when we can find the good ones in the sea of noise that the Internet has become. The game journos are not serving us well in that regard, and some of them are contributing to the problem.

And gamergate is a perfect example of divisive bullshit creating a sea of noise that shuts down intelligent discussion and makes it impossible to navigate. It wasn't just 4channers or gamers. Everyone played their part in that, but at least they weren't stoking the flames for money.
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Smokey Mcbongwater - Wed, 16 May 2018 19:40:12 EST ID:BowkiUKZ No.4715709 Ignore Report Quick Reply
All that matters is that every single GG fag ends up as either an incel suicide terrorist, or just a suicider.

Or some brony jizz bottle collector. I don't care, as long as they disappear from this reality.
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William de Sitter - Wed, 16 May 2018 19:42:22 EST ID:iETJZypl No.4715712 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715695
Who said anything Moore's Law-wise relating to creating videa games? It makes it easier to play video games. It means that gear for playing any particular games can be made vastly more cheaply.

Battlefront 2? What could that possibly be an apt illustration of? It's fucking Lucasproducts, or disney now, and ages ago they showed their colors by denying their fanbase any sort of second TIE-fighter game, except of course the quite succinct Balance of Power campaign.

I can't recall 4chincks complaing about that, or really about anything but "reseller scum". Consistantly, and pretty much lock step together.
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Magma Admin George - Wed, 16 May 2018 19:49:04 EST ID:rkqXNq+N No.4715715 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715712
I think it's the opposite. The fact that the improvement in CPU and GPU power has actually slowed down is the reason games are more accessible.
Console generations are longer and more stable. The arms race isn't as insane as it used to be.

>It's fucking Lucasproducts
It's completely unrelated to that. EA wanted to make the game a microtransaction cash cow, but it backfired and they missed all their projections (even though the game is still highly profitable) so they're dumping it and moving on to a new but highly derivative product, as they do.
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Ninja Boy Archie - Wed, 16 May 2018 20:03:55 EST ID:blj1ib4x No.4715723 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715715
>EA wanted to make the game a microtransaction cash cow

i remember people saying that when i still played the first one, did it flop? i don't really follow any of the shit y'all are talking about but MOTHERFUCK EA
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Reuben Clambledale - Wed, 16 May 2018 20:20:47 EST ID:iETJZypl No.4715730 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715715
Disney must still have the licencing rights, no? In any case, it's been ages, over twice as long, since it was even Raven that was handling Star Wars games.

Why would anyone have positive expectation of EA since ... let's see, oh, about after they did a PC port of the inferior Xbawks version of NFS-Hot Pursuit 2 instead of the PS2 version?
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Boarder Simon - Wed, 16 May 2018 20:38:53 EST ID:rkqXNq+N No.4715737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715730
>Why would anyone have positive expectation of EA
Nobody does. But it would be cool if they'd stop the heavy-handed meddling. DICE still makes good games and commands a certain amount of respect.

Just let DICE do what they do, EA.
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Reuben Clambledale - Wed, 16 May 2018 20:48:06 EST ID:iETJZypl No.4715740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715737
...?
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Reuben Clambledale - Wed, 16 May 2018 20:51:12 EST ID:iETJZypl No.4715743 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715740
whoops, ewwww, that must the GBA version
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Romana - Wed, 16 May 2018 22:30:03 EST ID:il+c3cRL No.4715794 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Romana - Wed, 16 May 2018 22:40:55 EST ID:il+c3cRL No.4715801 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715551
It's a legitimate problem that the people who literally fucking control public opinion through propaganda disguised as news media have such a solid grip on you that you are filled with and incredible hatred for something you have only a false understanding of, and it's a false understanding that was cultivated specifically to promote hatred of whistleblowers and pave the way for even more corruption. Don't you see? Of course the media would tar and feather the people who call out the media's complete corruption and lack of integrity. It's all media, not just relatively meaningless games media.

You can buy or fuck your way into every moron on the street thinking this or that because the conglomerate on the tv doesn't give half a shit about what's true.
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ArchieFunkinham.zip - Wed, 16 May 2018 23:11:05 EST ID:eC+xRRnv No.4715818 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715499
Dude I know how you feel i ordered a shirt from waifuwednesdays back in December and never got it. I emailed Hentai Dude a few times with no response.

Now it's too late to do a PayPal refund so goodbye money and goodbye shirt I guess.
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Boddy Roode - Wed, 16 May 2018 23:11:57 EST ID:v91/EK9+ No.4715819 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715818
That's what happens when you buy weeb merch
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Oliver Blatherwill - Wed, 16 May 2018 23:17:28 EST ID:W1xKUw20 No.4715822 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715801
>the people who literally fucking control public opinion through propaganda disguised as news media
>cultivated specifically to promote hatred of whistleblowers
>complete corruption
Video games, everybody.

Video games.
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Bubkins Jerrycurl - Wed, 16 May 2018 23:21:01 EST ID:bXjto5lB No.4715826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715300
It somehow went from being about ethics in gaming journalism to feminists/SJWs vs gamer bois.

It almost felt like a test drive for Russia's facebook nonsense.
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Bernhard Schmidt - Wed, 16 May 2018 23:26:38 EST ID:Ol0u0wep No.4715829 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715826
Rmember when Jack Thompson tried to ban video games?

It almost felt like a test drive for Russia's facebook nonsense.
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Harvey Birdman - Wed, 16 May 2018 23:27:10 EST ID:sYnd26Bl No.4715830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715404
I don't have those opinions. I just understand where they came from and what pressure made them attractive.

>>4715405
>if you tell people to not do Bad Things, but they go out and do Bad Things anyway, that makes it your fault for telling them not to do it?

If you tell people not to bad things in such a way that encourages them to do those bad things, yes, it is your fault. All the gaming media and your Sarkeesian-type pundits were obviously hypocritical in what they were saying, and being as inflammatory as possible because that was drawing the most attention. That made the equal and opposite extremism much more credible than it should have been, because the "mainstream narrative" was so biased that far-right misogynists had the illusion of clear perception.

>>4715415
>There was a pre-existing undercurrent of dissent about games journalism that didn't give a fuck about Zoe Quinn's pussy or where it's been. But they incidentally got signal boosted by the whole affair, the 4chin harassment squad tried to co-opt their legitimate points and in the end it all got lumped in with GamerGaters.

This is the point I was trying to make, and it's illustrative of the problem that in doing so I seem like someone who shares the worst opinions that everyone remembers seeing.
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Bernhard Schmidt - Wed, 16 May 2018 23:35:14 EST ID:Ol0u0wep No.4715834 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715830
>if somebody is inflammatory about children's games on the internet, then I can't be held responsible for my actions and anything bad I do is that person's fault
Gamergate in nutshell
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Emma Pumblestone - Wed, 16 May 2018 23:36:20 EST ID:RFxPQjQo No.4715835 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715801
"The media" is not this monolithic and unitary constant narrative stream that's enforcing the same conformity onto people. Mass media has developed a generalized conformity precisely by being diffuse and contentious, by bringing people's attention to stupid ass bullshit like a pseudo-journalist/marketer sleeping with a client and inviting everyone to have an opinion on it by catering to every conceivable viewpoint.

I fucking love Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden. I have no idea what you're getting at with the "you're conditioned to hate whistleblowers" shit. I'm aware of the mass conditioning, and I'm aware of the various forms it takes, and gamergate was a clear example of the media sustaining itself through its own constant narcissistic dialogue. "Look what happened in the media this week guys! Can't you wait to see what everyone in the media will say about what happened in the media this week?" Fuck. Do you ever not get tired of the constant distractions these people are putting on your screens?

Read Society of the Spectacle, then read Manufacturing Consent, if you want a scientific look on these things.
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Harvey Birdman - Wed, 16 May 2018 23:41:59 EST ID:sYnd26Bl No.4715839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715668
>Is the game industry coming into your houses and taking away games other than their present offerings? Is the game industry forbidding you from going to other sources for gaming-related-devices? Is the game industry forbidding you to use things like physical media in relation to games? Is the game industry raiding you like the BSA used to do, or like the RIAA and MPAA?

I don't know on what level of irony your post is meant because they've literally done all those things.
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Clay Guida - Wed, 16 May 2018 23:46:59 EST ID:gLnaddQ6 No.4715841 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Video game news is soooo biased.

I get my non-corporate entertainment news from Disney Adventures Magazine if that's still a thing. No big money or ulterior motives promoting things there.
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Harvey Birdman - Wed, 16 May 2018 23:49:52 EST ID:sYnd26Bl No.4715843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715834
Can you understand the difference between saying "here's why I'm not in control of my actions" and "here's why a large group of people felt cornered enough that terrible rhetoric appealed to them"?

And WHY was it hypocritical and inflammatory?
Because someone who claimed to know a shitload about gaming and the internet went and restated all the Jack Thompson violence-in-the-media bullshit from a different angle, and reacted to the normal level of vitriol internet celebrities get by making it seem like a phenomena unique to them and their demographic.

There should be a term for the Striesand-effect when it's being abused to make someone famous while giving them plausible deniability that they intend to be famous. I'd go with Sarkeesian-effect.

Regardless of what the reaction was or how many bad actors there were, the figures who precipitated the reaction did so because they were self-contained hypocrites.
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Oliver Blatherwill - Wed, 16 May 2018 23:59:48 EST ID:W1xKUw20 No.4715849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715843
>There should be a term for the Striesand-effect when it's being abused to make someone famous while giving them plausible deniability that they intend to be famous. I'd go with Sarkeesian-effect.
Maybe we could call it the sYnd26Bl-effect, since you seem to have no self-awareness whatsoever about your role in all this.

This woman would have disappeared years ago if you weirdos hadn't apparently sworn an eternal blood oath to keep bringing her up and imbuing her with so much power.
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Jon Arryn - Thu, 17 May 2018 00:04:05 EST ID:PU7Cf1jp No.4715853 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715801
This is a good post and right on the fucking money.


>>4715822
ie the primary form of media consumed by entire generations of young people at this point. What else would you target if you're trying to influence 15-30yos?

>>4715835
>"The media" is not this monolithic and unitary constant narrative stream that's enforcing the same conformity onto people.
You're acting like Operation Mockingbird wasn't a thing. Not only was it very real, as confirmed by congressional investigations, it is thought to have had incredible success in the near-total infiltration of mainstream media at the editorial level.

They can do that and still maintain commercial competition with one another. You're saying that the media caters to every viewpoint, but then you mention Manufacturing Consent, which has a huge thesis stating exactly the opposite--that this is completely virtual, an intentional illusion, and that the realm of acceptable viewpoints is actually tightly constrained? Maybe give it another read.

Operation Mockingbird didn't just conveniently shut down just as the internet was starting to develop. You'd be incredibly naive to think that online journalism--or even the structure cultures of our social platforms--are remotely organic.

Equally naive is saying "haha games are dumb, who cares about games, clearly that couldn't be important." Sports are dumb, yet major elements of the US political system are clearly based heavily on a sporting paradigm, and the use of sports for political manipulation stretch all the way back to ancient Greece and we have popular Latin sayings about mass control which refer specifically to arena sports. Some emperors based their entire power structure on sporting allegiances, and the Nika Riots--in which a legion was called in to massacre tens of thousands of sports fans--started when people saw through the artificial rivalries and attempted to unify against this system. The word we use for divisions of players even comes from the ancient Greek unit of voter blocs.
Video games are in every way the modern equivalent for rising generations and it would be insane, or at least historically ignorant, to think they aren't a political target as a result.
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Harvey Birdman - Thu, 17 May 2018 00:06:57 EST ID:sYnd26Bl No.4715856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715849
>since you seem to have no self-awareness whatsoever about your role in all this
>you weirdos

So why don't you tell me who I'm lumped in with when you say "you people"?
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Bernhard Schmidt - Thu, 17 May 2018 00:07:42 EST ID:Ol0u0wep No.4715858 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715853
And what, exactly, does the video game illuminati have to gain by tricking people into playing a minimalist f2p game about depression?
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Jon Arryn - Thu, 17 May 2018 00:10:15 EST ID:PU7Cf1jp No.4715863 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715858
I think this discussion is pretty far above the level where naked strawmen are going to have any effect.
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Harvey Birdman - Thu, 17 May 2018 00:12:00 EST ID:sYnd26Bl No.4715864 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715858
Because that is a much more visible and divisive argument than talking about microtransactions or corporate practices or which 3rd world country you're outsourcing half your development to.

Whenever a issue like that rises to the surface, it's not because it's important, it's because it's distracting from more important issues.
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Oliver Blatherwill - Thu, 17 May 2018 00:14:23 EST ID:W1xKUw20 No.4715868 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715856
Anybody who keeps bringing up some rando liberal woman with a youtube channel
years after what little relevance she had peaked

and then wonders what sort of shadowy nefarious plot could have possibly allowed this woman to amass so much free publicity

its not hard
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Harvey Birdman - Thu, 17 May 2018 00:19:35 EST ID:sYnd26Bl No.4715871 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715868
I'll tell you why I personally focus on her more than anyone else in the whole thing.

Because she represents the most problems. Not just in gaming, but in academia and public discourse. Her becoming famous is a perfect example of the perverse incentives that dominate how we talk about culture now.

You're actually right. A random liberal with a useless degree and absolutely no specific knowledge of gaming shouldn't ever have become a major issue. But it did, and pretending that why it happened shouldn't be analyzed (or can't be without prejudice or implied agenda) is exactly the problem.
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Bernhard Schmidt - Thu, 17 May 2018 00:23:27 EST ID:Ol0u0wep No.4715872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715864
Yes, if there's any proof of a media wide conspiracy of the government using game reviews to control our minds, it's definitely that one time that the future had the exact same kind of retarded sexually-anxious politically-confused doxxing-and-raiding freak-outs that they've been having for fucking years.

I mean, what else could it possibly be?

>>4715863
Lol guess you were wrong about that
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Harvey Birdman - Thu, 17 May 2018 00:28:59 EST ID:sYnd26Bl No.4715876 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715872
>Yes, if there's any proof of a media wide conspiracy of the government using game reviews to control our minds

I don't think that.
I think that the corporate entities that own gaming saw an opportunity to sweep a lot of things under the rug while maintaining an illusion that they were fighting the good fight for diversity.

You're pretending that games are for children and therefor there couldn't possibly be shenanigans going on. Well, find me an industry that's worth billions and has so many corporate entites with their hands in the pie that DOESN'T have shenanigans going on.
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Emma Pumblestone - Thu, 17 May 2018 00:30:25 EST ID:RFxPQjQo No.4715877 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715853
I don't think you understand what I'm getting at. The source of the problem is the profit system, which turns information into a commodity, and produces according with what's profitable (obviously guided along by institutional actions, such as Operation Mockingbird, which I'm not denying). The variability is built in: capital doesn't give a fuck about the truth, or what's beautiful, just what it can sell, and it's fine with its Alex Joneses as much as its Anderson Coopers and Sean Hannitys. It will sell you viewpoints about problems that were entirely generated by it. It will invent issues and sell you books about the issues, covering the issue from all sides.

I bring up Chomsky and Herman's book because it is a scientific investigation of the issue, and exposes - structurally - why the media does this, and they don't shy away from the profit motive. Of course the system has constraints on its total variety, but it maintains a certain dynamism because it can incorporate and thereby pacify critique through an endless stream of diversions and through the production of information as a commodity - only concerned with what sells.
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Oliver Blatherwill - Thu, 17 May 2018 00:31:49 EST ID:W1xKUw20 No.4715878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715871
If you really are this determined to let us know how important and relevant and influential and symbolic she is then feel free to do so. Tell us all about her. Really sell her to us, really drive home the monumental importance of this woman you wish would just go away. Let us know why we shouldn't have forgotten about her, and why we're wrong to try forget about her and leave her to obscurity. Keep that flame burning, burning forever.

Hey, might as well go ahead and link her Patreon while you're at it, why not at this point?

but imma go to bed tho srry
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Harvey Birdman - Thu, 17 May 2018 00:42:14 EST ID:sYnd26Bl No.4715883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715878
I won't do that, but I'll just list some of the things she is a perfect example of.

The inherent divisiveness of personalized algorithm-based echoboxes. The problem of for-profit tertiary education. The corrupt nature of game journalism. The corrupt nature of the game industry. The mutually radicalizing effect of opposite extremes that complement each other's view of "what is wrong with the world". How easy it is for special interests to co-opt a genuine public debate. How easy it is for bad faith discourse to shut out good faith discourse. How people outside a debate pick sides based on demographic sympathy. How digital platforms stifle free speech while pretending to facilitate it.

I don't care about her so much as I care about all these things, because these are the things that are making the world shit. If you wanna tell me you don't care about these things, go ahead, but don't confuse the perfect example with the actual problems.
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Jon Arryn - Thu, 17 May 2018 00:45:12 EST ID:PU7Cf1jp No.4715884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715877
>The source of the problem is the profit system
Or, that's a smokescreen.

As long people maintain the view that it's impossible to do wrong as long as your justification is profit, the CIA can do literally anything they like by simply operating under a commercial front organisation as they're fond of doing, or through contractors.

Let's take for example the USAID project ZunZuneo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZunZuneo
>ZunZuneo was an online United States state owned company social networking and microblogging service marketed to Cuban users. The service was created in 2010 by the United States Agency for International Development (USAID). The U.S. government covertly developed the service as a long-term strategy to encourage Cuban youths to revolt against the nation's government, fomenting a "Cuban Spring"—a reference to the Arab Spring revolutions. The initiative also appears to have had a surveillance dimension, allowing "a vast database about Cuban ZunZuneo subscribers, including gender, age, 'receptiveness' and 'political tendencies'" to be built. The word "zunzuneo" is Cuban slang for a hummingbird's call.
AKA Cuban Twitter. Set up and run by the US government for the specific purpose of mass political manipulation.

>Contractors funded by USAID "set up a byzantine system of front companies using a Cayman Islands bank account, and recruit[ed] unsuspecting executives who would not be told of the company's ties to the U.S. government,"
The executives didn't even know they were working for the a government.

>According to AP the service was ended because of the expiration of the grant that funded the program.
So it shut down because it was reliant on covert funding and, despite the unwitting execs, was never able to independently turn a profit. Does that last part remind you of anything?

But all our Western social media platforms--the ones that never seem to be able to turn a profit yet remain in business for years--who are becoming ever more aggressive about controlling political speech, they're entitled to do that because private organisations don't need to respect the right to free speech, right? Because they're just trying to turn a profit, right?

Reminder that legal restrictions against USAID using their psyops/propaganda tools on the American public were removed when the Smith–Mundt Act was "modernized" in 2012.
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Clay Guida - Thu, 17 May 2018 00:48:50 EST ID:gLnaddQ6 No.4715886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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One time while working customer service for a major grocery delivery service I got a call from a customer. We have to verify the e-mail address and his was @EA.com. I googled the name because it looked familiar and I hate EA. anyway there I was, talking to the man himself, Peter Moore.

He didn't understand that the guy on the phone wasn't in charge of the company and he kept asking me to pass messages on to the CEO then gave me an hour long speech on how to run a company. He kept telling me to "listen up, because this was valuable information" and how valuable this information he was telling me was and how I wouldn't understand it anyway.

The whole problem was that his old delivery totes weren't picked up with his current delivery. I apologized and told him that he could keep, donate or dispose of them at no cost but he wanted someone there at that moment to physically collect them and told me what an ineffectual piece of shit I was for not being able to make it happen.

It took every fiber of my being not to bring up any of the Maxis series they ruined, and this was the same week his company let go of Hideo Kojima although he was no longer in charge when that happened.
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Gabriel Gonzaga - Thu, 17 May 2018 03:09:00 EST ID:3U4PR8zB No.4715926 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715300 That shit is as forgotten as this slow ass-board. Only sad incel neckbeards care about it.
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Graham Branningbury - Thu, 17 May 2018 03:14:11 EST ID:yIu5H2Tl No.4715929 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I love how everyone pretends to not be buttmad about gamergate but just scrolling through this thread I see some loooonngggg arguments. Like who gives a fuck lol its just video games you spectrum surfers
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SimonFittingwell.tga - Thu, 17 May 2018 03:53:05 EST ID:GaraCjmf No.4715941 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715929
>complains about people arguing
>makes an argument
THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS
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Reuben Clambledale - Thu, 17 May 2018 03:53:51 EST ID:iETJZypl No.4715943 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715839
Right, the game industry is sniffing out all your game discs, and smashing them, or at least pre-emptively making sure that they're 3rd rate media produced in India or Hong Kong?

With the xbox360 gamepad having been instated as a "standard", that means that the game industry is forbidding you from using anything significantly different, like say, an X-arcade stick with new games?

Or maybe the game industry has forbidden you from using, say, a 400 watt power supply made by a company that also makes products for servers, instead of a blinged-up, heavily advertised "zomg, so-elite" 800 watt "gamer" PSU?
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Shit Nebberwit - Thu, 17 May 2018 04:32:37 EST ID:wRbTTlFP No.4715953 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I stopped browsing 420chan for like 4-5 years and I guess this happened during then because I had no idea what it was until like a week ago. That should give you some insight. Nobody in the real world cared. Nobody at my job cared. My friends didn't care. My family didn't care. Nobody talked about it because it didn't matter.

Only the internet. And not even facebook level internet.
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Beulah McGillicutty - Thu, 17 May 2018 04:49:48 EST ID:vLdVR7ci No.4715960 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715305
Yeah, and Watergate - the OG "gate" wasn't even about water.
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Cinder - Thu, 17 May 2018 05:17:17 EST ID:HFHUv8bS No.4715963 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715943

oh reuben

don't get your hopes down
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Boarder Simon - Thu, 17 May 2018 06:10:38 EST ID:rkqXNq+N No.4715985 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715858
Uh i'm not one of the haters but just blue haired pussy.

I think Zoe Quinn did nothing wrong. And it's really telling that she got the bulk of the hate over personal shit. Bunch of fucking incels caught up on thot ethics because they've never experienced how easy it is to go out and find a dick to suck.

But hate is something that can be used to fuel fame and a career. The proof is in the Rebecca Blacks of the world. Hate wisely, my friends.

A hater is just another find of fan.
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Kai Opaka - Thu, 17 May 2018 07:04:41 EST ID:6DzKkqOI No.4715991 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715960

It was about a hotel development, which uses water. Because all life as we know it involves water to function, the entire biosphere is watergate.
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Harmonious Fartingstor - Thu, 17 May 2018 07:13:12 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4715993 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715830
>f you tell people not to bad things in such a way that encourages them to do those bad things, yes, it is your fault
No. Those people have agency. They decide to do those things. Saying otherwise is juvenile nonsense.
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Gregory Quinn - Thu, 17 May 2018 07:16:06 EST ID:ThZiY3+f No.4715994 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715953
Another successful campaign of media manipulation. The only reason any normie would ever hear about gamergate is in the context of their favorite news outlet doing a hitpiece on some "misogynistic losers who care too much about video games".

But as usual, then normans don't understand the real truth, that this shit flinging media campaign was a reaction intended to distract and deceive. Those loser nerds were demanding ethical practices and measures to make corruption easier to spot, and that represented a serious threat to those currently in charge of the minds of masses. Again, games media is just the relatively inconsequential tip of the iceberg. The collusion and greed and complete lack of any moral compass is found just the same in real media, the stuff that determines how you vote and who you hate. It's all controlled, it's all shilled, it's all unethical and corrupt. That's why gamergate was important, it woke up a bunch of nerds to the truth of how a malicious media conglomerate will always collude and lie to serve their financial interests and further their little clique.
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Harmonious Fartingstor - Thu, 17 May 2018 07:25:40 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4715997 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715994
what a load of bullshit
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Doris Draggleketch - Thu, 17 May 2018 07:28:41 EST ID:kHHR4HEL No.4715998 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Idk shit about gamergate because it seems like toxic waste but 4/5 times there's a media story that big, it's a bunch of manufactured bullshit. I'm guessing it's the usual of making a mountain out of a molehill.
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Abyss - Thu, 17 May 2018 07:36:46 EST ID:vGzHiA47 No.4716002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>this thread
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Bernhard Schmidt - Thu, 17 May 2018 07:37:54 EST ID:Ol0u0wep No.4716003 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715994
>a malicious media conglomerate will always collude and lie to serve their financial interests and further their little clique
By getting people to play free indie game about depression.

Media conglomerates, who directly compete with indie games, are serving their financial interests by tricking their own customers into consuming a competitor's product.

For free.

And then when the braingeniuses at the future blow the lid off, they cover it up by insulting their most dedicated customers.

And this makes them money somehow.

This is how you think companies are run.
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Simon Bessleforth - Thu, 17 May 2018 07:38:33 EST ID:seNyjSfW No.4716004 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715997
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Harmonious Fartingstor - Thu, 17 May 2018 07:43:48 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4716005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716004
He can ree over "normies" and "normans" elsewhere.
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Shuri - Thu, 17 May 2018 07:56:25 EST ID:XhvAPMi7 No.4716011 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715997
Excellent rebuttal, really makes you think.
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Simon Bessleforth - Thu, 17 May 2018 07:58:22 EST ID:seNyjSfW No.4716012 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4716005
Sure he can, but he chose you, be grateful
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Ian Bobblegold - Thu, 17 May 2018 08:01:17 EST ID:EO1jjwFE No.4716014 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4715994
Yeah, fuck the Normans!

Go back to where you came from, England for the English speakers, resist French Papacy, throw off the Norman Yoke!

Fucking Normans controlling our media, I swear
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Shuri - Thu, 17 May 2018 08:01:18 EST ID:XhvAPMi7 No.4716015 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716003
Did you even read his post or did you get halfway through and decide that's enough for a straw man?

The problem is that that's how all media works. Favors for favors, help other companies but the reader is a dollar sign for me to lie to. The truth no longer matters, it's all manipulation.

But hey as long as you can misrepresent what everyone says and feel superior you do you
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Priscilla Ganninghot - Thu, 17 May 2018 08:14:28 EST ID:fEThyA9L No.4716024 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716015
>Favors for favors, help other companies
If you could go ahead an explain how spending money to have another company's employees insult your company's customers in defense of a third-party's independently produced free product increases your company's shareholder value, then please go ahead and explain, because I must have missed that day in business school.

How do you think that shareholder meeting went down, when they had to explain to these old fucks how some convoluted 4-dimentional gambit that involves throwing money at a the future incel freakout is somehow supposed to generate additional revenue? Could you explain that process, please?
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Boarder Simon - Thu, 17 May 2018 08:19:52 EST ID:rkqXNq+N No.4716025 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716003
> >a malicious media conglomerate will always collude and lie to serve their financial interests and further their little clique

>By getting people to play free indie game about depression.

>Media conglomerates, who directly compete with indie games, are serving their financial interests by tricking their own customers into consuming a competitor's product.

Okay FFS. Here's the thing: It doesn't need to be a huge orchestrated conspiracy when all the incentives are in place and unchecked for individuals and smaller organizations to want to act this way too.
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Boarder Simon - Thu, 17 May 2018 08:22:15 EST ID:rkqXNq+N No.4716026 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716024
>How do you think that shareholder meeting went down, when they had to explain to these old fucks how some convoluted 4-dimentional gambit that involves throwing money at a the future incel freakout is somehow supposed to generate additional revenue? Could you explain that process, please?

Again. For fucks sake. It's more organic than that.

But the fact is they collude anyway because when they all shout about the same thing, it trends higher and benefits them all. That alone is a toxic influence on the whole affair.
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Jon Arryn - Thu, 17 May 2018 08:22:41 EST ID:PU7Cf1jp No.4716027 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716024
Even though it's not the theory I subscribe to, someone else already did a good job of answering this in this thread.

What's the point of even having a conversation if people are just going to ignore points already discussed so they can defend the consumer reality bubble while saying "incel" a bunch of times.
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Priscilla Ganninghot - Thu, 17 May 2018 08:34:44 EST ID:fEThyA9L No.4716030 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716026
You still haven't explained how this increases either revenue or shareholder value. "It trends higher" doesn't mean shit to the people running these conglomerates. Literally all they care about is increasing shareholder value. That is all they are incentivized to care about. Nothing else.

Explain how "colluding" to call their own customers incels increases shareholder value.
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Boarder Simon - Thu, 17 May 2018 08:39:40 EST ID:rkqXNq+N No.4716032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716030
>either revenue or shareholder value.
It's not that grand of an incentive. It's the little day to day shit. The louder you shout about the same thing and the more densely you can pack those articles, and the quicker and higher and more widely they trend.
It's not a grand scheme for shareholder value, it's just views and other day-to-day performance metrics.

But those absolutely contribute to the value at the top as well. It's not top-down, it's bottom-up.
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Jon Arryn - Thu, 17 May 2018 08:41:18 EST ID:PU7Cf1jp No.4716033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nobody called anybody incels in 2014 because that wasn't a fad until a few weeks ago. Jesus christ, is there some kind of cash prize for shoehorning that word in as many times as possible?
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Boarder Simon - Thu, 17 May 2018 08:48:01 EST ID:rkqXNq+N No.4716034 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716033
>Nobody called anybody incels in 2014
lol yes they did. Just not the mainstream. It was chan culture insult shit. And then those sexless fucks took the term back for themselves and formed a goddamn community about how women don't care for them.

And now they're talking about them on television.

But for real they were essentially calling them neckbeard incel mysoginist etc. That was the gist.
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Priscilla Ganninghot - Thu, 17 May 2018 08:51:29 EST ID:fEThyA9L No.4716035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716032
>It's not that grand of an incentive. It's the little day to day shit. The louder you shout about the same thing and the more densely you can pack those articles, and the quicker and higher and more widely they trend.
>It's not a grand scheme for shareholder value, it's just views and other day-to-day performance metrics.
OK, so when you gators ITT kept going on about cover-ups, and corruption, and Project Mockingbird, and "mutual radicalization", and mercenaries for DARPA, and whistleblowers, and the Normans

What you really meant was "clickbait"

Here's the thing tho

Most people aren't threatened by clickbait

All you have to do is ignore it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Boarder Simon - Thu, 17 May 2018 08:59:13 EST ID:rkqXNq+N No.4716038 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716035
>OK, so when you gators ITT
I'm gonna stop you right there. Hit submit, close the tab and hide the thread.
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Shuri - Thu, 17 May 2018 10:40:08 EST ID:XhvAPMi7 No.4716084 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716035
This is the real problem, brainwashed people who respond like they're told to, with rabid hatred and insults.

Well I'm not going to insult you anon. I love you. We're both just a couple of nobodies and I just want you to understand. Video games are tertiary. Games media is relatively meaningless. Gamergate was simply the last straw for a bunch of nerds. The real threat is the unwarranted and unchecked influence that the media has. The power to control context, to decide which facts we consume and how they are spun. There was a time when journalists (that is actual journalists, not game reviewers) could be trusted to give you a more or less complete picture of goings on but now it's just CNN and faux news telling lies for the highest bidder. And no matter how stupid, how dangerous, how evil the ideas are that they're promoting, the common man will foolishly latch onto them for lack of any ACTUAL journalists with integrity or ethics or even a passing interest in what is true.
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Helena Rozhenko - Thu, 17 May 2018 10:56:30 EST ID:WX4clMVv No.4716103 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4716084
>There was a time when journalists (that is actual journalists, not game reviewers) could be trusted
No. No there fucking wasn't. Journalism has always been the tool of power and business interests. Yellow journalism has always been a thing and crass sensationalism has always been the big seller. And back in the day it was an order of magnitude harder to fact check a story or to expose a journalist for being unethical. There was no internet to push back on the big papers. Journalism has always been a hive of dishonesty and grift. If it really took gamers gossiping Zoe Quinn's cunt to clue you in on the fact that media has biases and agendas then that speaks much more strongly about what that says about you than it says about her.

Only children and simpletons think that the world before they were born was some perfect golden age filled with rational unselfish moral paragons, and that all the Good Things turned into Bad Things conveniently right around the time they were old enough to notice the world around them.

Don't be so naive.
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Amanda Swizzlestick - Thu, 17 May 2018 11:00:45 EST ID:veLPaJV8 No.4716108 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I made this thread because I figured we could have a nice discussion about mass hysterias, including one that this place participated in. This thread was a mistake though. There are apparently peeps who are way dug in on this bullshit. I thought we were clear enough that maybe there'd be some insight now.
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Shuri - Thu, 17 May 2018 11:09:32 EST ID:XhvAPMi7 No.4716114 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716103
You're not wrong, buy your little tantrum against the 'muh born rong tiem meme' isn't helping. That's not what I said and you know it. Trust in the media in the US is at the lowest it's been since the 70s and if you don't want to analyze why that is then I don't know what to tell you.

But hey man just ignore my posts, I wouldn't want to deny you your ten minutes of hate.
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Harmonious Fartingstor - Thu, 17 May 2018 11:13:37 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4716115 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716114
If he's not wrong then why did you say something that he's directly contradicting?
>hurrr 1984 reference ym so smurt
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Shuri - Thu, 17 May 2018 11:16:08 EST ID:XhvAPMi7 No.4716117 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716115
Who cares? As long as you get to be a dickhead to strangers on the internet all is well ',:^)
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Helena Rozhenko - Thu, 17 May 2018 11:20:08 EST ID:WX4clMVv No.4716122 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716114
>Trust in the media in the US is at the lowest it's been since the 70s and if you don't want to analyze why that is
Because people eventually caught on.

Trust in the church is also at the lowest it's ever been. That's not because supernatural desert tribe fairy tales were somehow more realer back in the good ol' days; it's because people eventually caught on.

As literacy, education and access to the internet becomes more widespread, blind trust in old assumptions and traditional forms of authority tend to decrease.

It's really not that difficult a concept.
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Shuri - Thu, 17 May 2018 11:26:47 EST ID:XhvAPMi7 No.4716131 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716122
Fair dinkum. I concede, that certainly explains it. Call me a naive idealist but I dont believe it should be that way. We have to effectively force them to be transparent and ethical.
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Harmonious Fartingstor - Thu, 17 May 2018 11:38:58 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4716136 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716117
No, come on you pseud snake, explain to us what Orwell's Two Minutes of Hate, an enforced, pro-state, pro-state media exercise has to do with someone calmly explaining to you in conversation why the state and media have always been bad.
Then I'd like to know if the reason you tried to conflate the two is because you tried and failed at your highschool reading or you never even tried and are just repeating something you've seen elsewhere on the internet without even bothering to find out the context. Go on, explain why you're so upset that the media's not playing centrifugal bumble-puppy fair, how it's hurting your feelies. Please, demonstrate how the table is allotting your life unfairly. Fucking faggot.
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Shuri - Thu, 17 May 2018 12:22:23 EST ID:XhvAPMi7 No.4716158 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716136
I can mention how hateful your little tirade is but it really speaks for itself. You are full of hate.

Remember when Zoe Quinn was invited to speak at the UN about how evil those misogynistic goober gobblers are? Think about that while you tow the line for the elites who indoctrinate you on a steady diet of anger, smart boi
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Harmonious Fartingstor - Thu, 17 May 2018 12:25:23 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4716160 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716158
Way to not answer anything I asked.
I'd also love to know what sense you think it makes to "tow" the line. Go send some more death threats to simpletons in the media then come back and lecture us all on how we're being hateful.
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Helena Rozhenko - Thu, 17 May 2018 12:28:19 EST ID:WX4clMVv No.4716162 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716158
>Remember when Zoe Quinn was invited to speak at the UN about how evil those misogynistic goober gobblers are? Think about that
OK?

And...?

????
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Shuri - Thu, 17 May 2018 12:36:56 EST ID:XhvAPMi7 No.4716165 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716160
Can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. If you don't understand why you're shaking with anger and cycling through your favorite insults and stereotypes, well, it's worth examining.

Spoiler: These aren't organic conclusions that you came to on your own. Or hey maybe it's just an astonishing coincidence that everyone shares the view promoted by all media
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Harmonious Fartingstor - Thu, 17 May 2018 12:46:23 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4716172 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716165
Are you seriously incapable of answering direct questions or using clichés in the way you write every post?
I don't read or watch things put out by "the media", I've just been on the chans since before this shit started and I've seen it unfold and come to my own conclusions. Have you not considered that maybe you've been brainwashed by your own bullshit and that people, who have nothing to gain from you being wrong but still disagree with you, might have a point?
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Harmonious Fartingstor - Thu, 17 May 2018 12:52:21 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4716178 Ignore Report Quick Reply
s/using/not using
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Shuri - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:10:46 EST ID:XhvAPMi7 No.4716189 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716172
I do consider all of those.

I really dont think the allusions I've drawn are complicated. You are angry and hate me for my beliefs, not because I misquoted Orwell lmao. It's obvious when you show up just to shit all over something vs when you have a legitimate point to make.
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Ulala - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:15:22 EST ID:m9PpuE3G No.4716194 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Biased reasoning is easy to spot. One obvious manifestation of it is:
>These people disagree with me
>Why?
>Well, shit, they must be brainwashed!

When you assume your interlocutors are against you and are victims of some conspiracy, you place yourself in a position above them and try to impose your own reason and your own brainwashing on them. Cut that shit out, fam. Subject your ideas to criticism, because that's the only way they'll ever get better. If you want people to be more aware of the shadiness of the media, pick better examples, like Tom Friedman and the New York Times selling the Iraq war to the American public through a constant stream of lies.
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Shuri - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:17:57 EST ID:XhvAPMi7 No.4716197 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716194
Fair enough man. Valid criticisms are greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Harmonious Fartingstor - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:32:54 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4716204 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716189
I'm not angry, I just think you're stupid for various reasons, that stupidity also informing your world view.
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Harmonious Fartingstor - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:34:05 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4716205 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The whole "I'm so calm and reasonable and everyone's angry at me, how unreasonable of them I must be right" schtick is pretty transparent too.
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Shuri - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:40:10 EST ID:XhvAPMi7 No.4716208 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716204
Well since you're smarter than I am you should have no issue changing my mind. I'm open to it, I've certainly been wrong before.
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Shuri - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:42:48 EST ID:XhvAPMi7 No.4716210 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716205
Yeah man fuck level headed reasonable discussions, lets all get mad and scream insults at each other.
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Harmonious Fartingstor - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:53:00 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4716215 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716210
Why bother with insults when we can just resort to implying the people we've been talking to have been brainwashed by the media and so not bother responding to anything they say directly?
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Shuri - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:57:23 EST ID:XhvAPMi7 No.4716218 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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WilliamPickwater.dir - Thu, 17 May 2018 14:06:52 EST ID:gjwkw6he No.4716221 Ignore Report Quick Reply
video games a gay
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Doris Draggleketch - Thu, 17 May 2018 14:47:59 EST ID:kHHR4HEL No.4716244 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716158
Lol they invited some gaming journalist to the UN to speak about angry twitter neckbeards?? Lol how fuckin absurd.
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Mark Kerr - Thu, 17 May 2018 14:57:07 EST ID:0jdY7Cvk No.4716252 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Reading this thread I get a sense that Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich, although misguided, were right about a large number of things.
For example, moderate socialism is beneficial to society at large.
Their scientific efforts also have contributed greatly to our modern world. For example the V2 rocket a precursor to the ICBMs we use today which have practically negated large scale wars between super powers since their adoption.
They also created the first jet engine, and jet engine airplane.
Nazi scientists were the first to find the link between tobacco smoking and lung cancer and the Third Reich ran huge anti-smoking campaigns.
Animal rights were given prominent standing. One notable example is Hermann Göring being mocked by cartoonists for his efforts, when using live frogs as bait became a serious crime.
Indeed Nazi ethos draws a lot from naturalism and has a deep seated veneration and respect for nature.
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ThomasGreenfuck.ht - Thu, 17 May 2018 15:15:00 EST ID:nToLLoCr No.4716261 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716252
It's hard to deny the world would be far more advanced if they had won ww2. I often think that in some timeline things might be different...
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Outdo Drobro - Thu, 17 May 2018 15:20:46 EST ID:nw2u02ao No.4716266 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4716252
So Gamergate was a trojan horse for fascists?
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Jarvis Dushman - Thu, 17 May 2018 15:27:16 EST ID:kpjjlRqi No.4716270 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716261
>It's hard to deny the world would be far more advanced if they had won ww2.
Not that hard. Soviets got most of their tech and the US got most of their scientists.

And then we both went to space over 50 years before it was even really viable to do so.
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Jun Akiyama - Thu, 17 May 2018 15:30:09 EST ID:ZerTlh6R No.4716273 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4716270
sshh you'll make the wehraboos angry
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ThomasGreenfuck.ht - Thu, 17 May 2018 15:33:29 EST ID:nToLLoCr No.4716279 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716270

but we are being subdued though, the nazi's lost ? If they had won we would be free to do anything we can imagine without the shackles. We would be using wireless electricity and other tesla type inventions.
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Elder Beatrice - Thu, 17 May 2018 15:35:13 EST ID:WyJBdMq7 No.4716280 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716279

Is this what goes for trolling these days?
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Emma Pumblestone - Thu, 17 May 2018 16:51:47 EST ID:RFxPQjQo No.4716314 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716279
[ this is what the secular far right actually believes ]
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Oliver Blatherwill - Thu, 17 May 2018 17:38:17 EST ID:W1xKUw20 No.4716353 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716261
Yes, a world run by superstitious ultraviolent meth-addled sexually-confused chronically-backstabbing insecure autist failsons who believed in magic and glorified aggression even though they managed to lose the only war they started, that sounds like the recipe for a real winner of a society.
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Gentleman Ebenezer - Thu, 17 May 2018 17:41:15 EST ID:xelPK6Nz No.4716357 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Gamergate started strong but was killed by eceleb's shilling there hipster welfare funds to pay rent or get a wheelchair
What started out as a dude getting angry at his cheating whore of a GF ended up with a bunch of autists screeching at the hilariously obvious collusion in the gaming "journalism" industry.
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Gregory Quinn - Thu, 17 May 2018 17:58:01 EST ID:ThZiY3+f No.4716384 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4716205
>>4716136
>what does mandatory state sanctioned disdain for a person and his ideas have to to with non-mandatory internationally sanctioned disdain for a group of people and their ideas?
>WOW WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO ACTUALLY MAKE AN ARGUMENT INSTEAD OF ACTING LIKE A CHILD

wew this guy is pretty sad
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Harmonious Fartingstor - Thu, 17 May 2018 17:59:04 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4716386 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716384
>completely misunderstanding what happened
nice try, quinn
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Shit Nebberwit - Thu, 17 May 2018 17:59:42 EST ID:wRbTTlFP No.4716387 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715994
Dude. I literally said nobody I knew cared or knows about it. Meaning the media didn't even care about it. If they did it was buried in the news. I could go outside and ask ten different people what gamergate is right now and NONE of them would care.
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Castle Valet Phineas - Thu, 17 May 2018 18:25:52 EST ID:x4k1ilGx No.4716413 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716386
He's right though because you do come across as a gaping anus in this conversation
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Castle Valet Phineas - Thu, 17 May 2018 18:32:34 EST ID:x4k1ilGx No.4716415 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716386
Scratch that you're a gaping anus in this whole thread. Every post of yours is nothing but autistic shitflinging.
>lol ur dum
>ugh not right
>wow stupid heh
>nu uh

You haven't posted anything at all of value, and probably never will. Easiest decision to ignore ever. Consider suicide.
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Harmonious Fartingstor - Thu, 17 May 2018 18:37:43 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4716416 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4716415
oh no the gamers and incels are banning me en masse however will I cope this is such a blow to my pride
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Castle Valet Phineas - Thu, 17 May 2018 18:41:40 EST ID:x4k1ilGx No.4716420 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>4716416
Post #17 is a gem like all the others.

Gamergate is retarded but not as retarded as you. Stay salty my dude.
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Harmonious Fartingstor - Thu, 17 May 2018 18:46:26 EST ID:nJkrco7e No.4716423 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716420
k fag
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Jarvis Dushman - Thu, 17 May 2018 18:51:03 EST ID:kpjjlRqi No.4716425 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4716416
I don't think you get to call all these people incels when they all fucked your mother last night.
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Roy Neary - Thu, 17 May 2018 23:02:11 EST ID:sYnd26Bl No.4716631 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>4715993
>No. Those people have agency. They decide to do those things. Saying otherwise is juvenile nonsense.

I'm saying if Person A tells Person B not to do something in a way that actively encourages Person B to do that, Person A is at fault.

Person B may also be at fault for being a cunt, but that doesn't stop Person A from having acted in a inappropriate manner.


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