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What a disgusting piece of Budashit.

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- Wed, 05 Feb 2020 10:11:28 EST cKBLwgI0 No.4955090
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>we learned our lesson we are going to do this one right!

democracy is dead.
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Maximo Blanco - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 10:14:05 EST AhfA3TCi No.4955091 Reply
it doesnt matter. The dems made it pretty clear how they are also corrupt by putting Bloombergh in the race. Bernie got robbed yet again, because he was gaining momentum and Pete, well.. Corrupt gonna corrupt.
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Hermes Franca - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 10:17:48 EST zVgCHF4g No.4955093 Reply
>>4955090
>use an app to report things
>not getting the right results
>everything shuts down for a day
>CIA-backed candidate comes out on top

Usually the CIA sticks to rigging elections in other countries. Good on them for stepping up and growing.
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Fuck Biffingwedge - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 11:01:18 EST UjnCnKeo No.4955111 Reply
>>4955098
it's where all the COOL kids hang out, bruh
how late r u
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Matt Hughes - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 11:25:20 EST Z807h6aw No.4955118 Reply
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>>4955117
>Doesn't have /pol/ access

Way to out yourself as a dork Frederick.
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Alexandra Roivas - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 11:30:11 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4955120 Reply
>>4955118
What's the exchange rate on stank tokens to Che Guevara medallions and how many do I need to access /pol/?
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Christiaan Huygens - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 11:35:33 EST eJPicdkU No.4955123 Reply
>>4955120
We need to steal Kirt's cookies. We'll have so many stank tokens, we'll never have to visit 420 chan again!
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Angus Dadgekin - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 12:03:08 EST PErI9j88 No.4955127 Reply
I knew it when that dude was so insistent in that press conference "now guys, we're still figuring out what happened, what we DO know is that these results are 100% accurate, without a doubt, and we have a paper trail, these results are the results, and we can prove it, what we do know is that these results are as accurate as humanly possible, we still have a lot to work on, but these results... theyre 100% there, 100% accurate"
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Swimmer♂ Isabella - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 12:43:23 EST 2PxHC+wv No.4955142 Reply
>>4955127
Didn't the CIA just try to coup Venezuela for literally the exact same thing? I demand a coup in Iowa.
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Swimmer♂ Isabella - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 12:47:10 EST 2PxHC+wv No.4955145 Reply
>>4955091
Guess which of all these candidates was not supported by AIPAC. It's not just the CIA. We are literally owned by Saudi Arabia and Israel. I knew already what was going to happen and they'd fuck bernie out of it but I didn't expect it to be so blatant and transparent. What can we do about this? Yes I'm still pissed even knowing exactly what was going to happen. Looks like I'm voting third party out of spite again.

Enjoy Trump for 4 more years you fucking cocksuckers. Yes I'm serious. I'm voting third party if Biden or Buttass gets the nomination. I'd rather spend the next 4 years watching this country crash and burn until you fucking cocksuckers learn your lesson.
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Amy Pond - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 13:15:51 EST jf+M45j5 No.4955158 Reply
>hey guys we have a month to make something that will let people enter 8 numbers into a server

>lets make an app that won't get approved in time by apple so to fix that we will need to make people sideload it onto their devices using another app, and if that app breaks then they need to use another app to diagnose the app in order to get the app of the app working with the app

This is why coding bootcamps are a mistake

Also lol at the "CEO" of that company they hired trying to spread blame around to as many people as he can. Motherfucker is fucking 37 years old, and thought that telling a bunch of boomers to sideload an unofficial app into their personal phones was a good idea!

I bet the dude is an industry pariah who probably can't find any work in the industry anyway, without some DNC cronyism and palm-greasing.
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Terry Gilliam - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 13:35:32 EST YxF3sYrA No.4955161 Reply
515 reporting in

Shit is a joke

In other news, that phone in your pocket lets police know exactly where you are including how fast you're going. Soon your phone / car will automatically charge your social credits & admit you to camp wuhan
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Swimmer♂ Isabella - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 14:28:36 EST 2PxHC+wv No.4955174 Reply
>>4955153
This is why we have the second amendment. We need to immediately start creating Mexican, black, Communist, women, and gay gun clubs and the funniest thing is the NRA won't be able to do jack shit about it. Let's just put them into the position and be entirely ruthless so that it's a lose lose situation for these cocksuckers. Either they have to come down on the side of gun bans for everybody including white right wing terrorists or they let all of us have AR15s.
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Paul Goldsmith - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 14:28:39 EST HKNlG3Ai No.4955175 Reply
>>4955173
Iirc he explicitly gave Iowa the finger, so that's not too surprising.
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Phyllis "Pizzazz" Gabor - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 14:47:43 EST 3Cr0F64A No.4955185 Reply
oh a political thread on b i'm sure this is going to be a well thought out and rational discourse.
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Saskia Reeves - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 15:38:46 EST rZN77l6q No.4955224 Reply
Anyone got pictures of that senator in a blue blazer with a really nice ass?
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Joseph-Louis Lagrange - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 16:44:24 EST u27gIV8+ No.4955243 Reply
So balanced out, white and pasty. Those suits gives me the jitters.
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James van Allen - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 17:00:20 EST jyN5xfWw No.4955254 Reply
Just vote that old mother fucker Bernie in. Take a chance you fucks! USA has been shitting it's pants for decades now. Try something new.
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Kenny - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 17:22:55 EST VpznqkBs No.4955260 Reply
>>4955254
There's always the write in option

let's be honest, if a president was elected via write-in it would have to be Russian interference
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Fark McGeezax - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 17:51:47 EST oE3eQPDJ No.4955265 Reply
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>>4955090
>tfw the CIA starts stealing their own country's elections in broad daylight
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Alexandra Roivas - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 17:55:21 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4955266 Reply
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>>4955265
>Coronavirus Infection Agency begins to infiltrate US politics
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Jimmy Wang Yang - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 18:45:52 EST QmBs14Cb No.4955303 Reply
>>4955296
i'm disappointed in everything man. i grew up in an incredibly liberal city and my facebook feed has one mention of this
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Krusty the Clown - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 18:57:49 EST ys8O3Fsx No.4955323 Reply
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>>4955303
Liberals would rather let Trump win again than allow even a moderate leftist to take power.
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Penny Cancer - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:02:12 EST ISrIVywm No.4955327 Reply
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>>4955323
I like the guy with the goofy name, I don't care about his policies
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Morn - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:03:45 EST QmBs14Cb No.4955330 Reply
>>4955323
nah, liberals are still normal americas who apparently get too distracted by memes about anxiety and baby yoda. corporate democrats on the other hand, would apparently love to hand trump another 4 years
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Penelo - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:15:58 EST ROpq0DAd No.4955349 Reply
>>4955346
>If you mean the democrats
It's obviously referring specifically to Bernie, dude.
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Tabitha St. Germain - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 20:57:25 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4955387 Reply
>>4955385
Iowa doesn't even exist bro it's just made up to scare black people
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Morn - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 21:21:11 EST QmBs14Cb No.4955396 Reply
>>4955385
the same way we fell for gerrymandering and non-monetary political donations
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Pierre-Simon Laplace - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 21:36:23 EST ys8O3Fsx No.4955405 Reply
>>4955400
I hate to break it to you but coming up with convoluted inscrutable bullshit to keep regular masses from getting too much power ARE the founding principles of the country.

I mean the founding fathers are the same people who came up with the Electoral College, the Senate and the 3/5ths clause. They loved antidemocratic shit like this.
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Guinan - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 22:01:35 EST PErI9j88 No.4955419 Reply
>>4955405
those were all things that made sense in the 1700s though, I mean except the 3/5ths clause
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Penelo - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 22:20:15 EST ROpq0DAd No.4955435 Reply
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>>4955090
How Americans do Democracy™ Part Deux

not a failed state, don't you dare even think that
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Charles Turveystock - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 23:16:30 EST SyJ41SU5 No.4955496 Reply
>>4955435
What complete joke. I wonder, do you people in USA even realize you are living in Soviet level absurdity only you also do not have guaranteed jobs, education, healthcare, housing and so on? You literally have level of freedom and democracy as Soviet Socialist Republiks. Probably less so actually.
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Arlen Hashbottom - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 23:46:56 EST HKNlG3Ai No.4955506 Reply
>>4955496
Eventually we will achieve full capitalist society. Government will be abolished. Money will be unnecessary as all property will be contained within the upper class. The poor will be uniformly distributed throughout the prison system as cheap labor and captive market, simultaneously freeing up more real estate for upper class development. The military will be entirely automated to prevent coup d'etat. Laws will be irrelevant as the upper class will police itself according to its own social contract.
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Rebi - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 23:51:07 EST Sw4EF+pD No.4955507 Reply
>>4955496
Yeah but we might get 4 seasons of the Bazooka Joe cinematic universe on the Carl's Jr. streaming network so I'd say it's a fair trade.
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Alan Belcher - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 04:58:40 EST zVgCHF4g No.4955573 Reply
>>4955506
That would just be a return to slavery, but on a much larger scale. I'm not convinced there exists a desire amount elites to return to that. You see, elites like to maintain an illusion that they are good, hard-working people who deserve what they have.
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Alan Belcher - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 05:18:05 EST zVgCHF4g No.4955581 Reply
>>4955577
In fairness, representative "democracy" aka the ability to choose between which elite will be your lord is not democracy.

Democracy is being able to vote on individual issues.
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Lupaza - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 05:25:44 EST bPaM3phz No.4955584 Reply
>>4955577
>Democratic establishment
>leftists
Congratulations on being retarded
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Paul Goldsmith - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 05:48:37 EST MCvZrXmp No.4955591 Reply
>>4955581
which is not really practical for every issue on a large scale, hence representatives. it's not perfect, but a country where a vote has to be called among the entire populace every time an issue comes up would be entirely dysfunctional.
>>4955584
this applies to the further leftist part of the Democrats also, more so if anything. not to mention Labour's spectacular failure in the UK, it'll take them at least a decade to recover at this point. face it, the working class doesn't care about being "woke", and they're the ones who have to face the economic and social consequences of lax immigration policies. as long as the left is pro open borders, you will keep losing
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Bernard Loiseau - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 06:03:25 EST kCmeT876 No.4955595 Reply
Kill Mario and I'll help you
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Alan Belcher - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 06:03:55 EST zVgCHF4g No.4955596 Reply
>>4955591
Yes, that's how democracy is usually quite summarily dismissed. As if there is no possible wiggle room between everyone voting on every issue vs having representatives who simply lie to get your vote and then do whatever the fuck they want once in office.
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Court McGee - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 07:41:08 EST RKOZfxbo No.4955633 Reply
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Democracy was a mistake, it's literally letting mob rule decide how we run our shit. Like, imagine the villagers with torches and pitchforks chasing down frankenbuddy. Only the loudest, aka dumbshitedest, people are out there chasing down franky (voting and soapboxing for their golden idol), while the normal, chill ass villagers are at home, getting high or some shit.

So yeah, democracy is fine if you want people who have no idea how the real world works to decide who runs an entire continent.

The best system, if you absolutely HAVE to have a government since not everyone is spiritually transcended yet or some dumb bullsh, would be some kind of divinitory or synchronicity based governing body, if you can't access a quantum ai god to make decisions for your people, you should at least let the forces of the universe guide your hands so you do the least amount of quantum transurfing into non-ideal realities and timebranches.
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Kayron - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 07:43:03 EST BYi0oD1j No.4955635 Reply
>>4955633
It's not majority rule though. It's a rule of the extreme minority that has the majority of the money. Don't blame the citizens for the death of democracy.
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Court McGee - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 07:54:20 EST RKOZfxbo No.4955642 Reply
>>4955635
It was always fucked, even if it worked "properly" a literally majority vote, why am I letting mob rule decide how I am legally allowed to live? Laws were a mistake. Government was a mistake. Animals have no laws yet they still have honor.
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Court McGee - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 08:06:46 EST RKOZfxbo No.4955644 Reply
>>4955642
Ok, don't get me wrong, democracy is useful for shit like "ok, what movie do we want to see" or "which flanking route are we taking", but for deciding how 300 million people live day to day, no thanks famalam, I'm good
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Paul Goldsmith - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 08:15:34 EST MCvZrXmp No.4955647 Reply
>>4955642
without laws, human rights don't exist, as there's nothing to prevent the strong from violating them.
>>4955596
that's why a republic with multiple layers of internal devolved government is honestly the best system. it means even elected representatives are bound by laws, so if they actually do "whatever they want" they can be removed, and it allows people to directly vote on at least local issues, which is a much more feasible form of direct democracy. is it perfect? fuck no. is it better than a system without these safeguards which inevitably turns into either societal collapse, tyranny, or both? fuck yes.
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Kung Lao - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 08:33:05 EST vDf+CLGz No.4955658 Reply
>>4955649
I got a big body, a fat mind, and girthy spirit. My only law is that safe words are to be respected.
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Court McGee - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 08:37:05 EST RKOZfxbo No.4955661 Reply
>>4955651
if you are strong in the big three, you won't ever get into that kind of situation because the universe is like "well, this guy needs to actually get shit done" and so synchronistically you'll never run into thugs like that. Basic LoA shit. Just an FYI on how shit actually works cosmically, your karma (action) puts you into places in your life. If you run into 12 guys pointing guns at you, you put yourself there. If you are strong and flexible in big three, your timebranches will be exceedingly harder to get you in a place like that, unless you are seeking it for vigilante purposes.

As far as helping others who are karmically "poor", you can fix that too if you are smart and use your human gifts wisely. Or you can just "smoak moar" and complain about the world to strangers who will forget your post in 2 hours tops, never really advancing the world towards the state you desire in your own reality bubble.

The trick is though, not to wish to change the entire world, because that is interfering with too many extant souls and their vortexes, just focus on changing yourself into an optimal state, and your own vibrations will sort of make a "bubble" or "shield" around you, like a magnet of some sort (wow, it's not like, your brain and heart produce FUCKHUGE magnetic fields around them or anything) and good shit will come towards you, and "negative" shit will be like "ah hell naw that shit is too bright imma go hide out in the corner of the ceiling of the guy down the street who's doing DPH" nb because im not sure how you all have had access to the internet for over a decade )at the least) and haven't found out about this yet do you just post memes all day or...? idk, good luck, don't die, smoke moar but like, astrally project through space and shit lmao idk it's pretty simple
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Kung Lao - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 08:41:48 EST vDf+CLGz No.4955662 Reply
>>4955651
You basically just said what he was saying back to him, but then added the condition that the morally "weak" will make the laws
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Fucking Bobbermotch - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 08:43:16 EST T/U18vyF No.4955664 Reply
>>4955661
A person like that can do a whole lot of damage before they're stopped.
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Court McGee - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 08:50:12 EST RKOZfxbo No.4955669 Reply
>>4955664
Can, if they haven't optimized their big three yet. Some imbalances are common during attainment and ascension, Trump was one "outcome" of the imbalance of the B3 for alot of people "awakened" around 2012, though that's pretty obvious to anyone paying attention
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Kung Lao - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 08:55:18 EST vDf+CLGz No.4955672 Reply
>>4955661
>vortexes

Okay well chlorine becomes activated in the Antarctic ozone-hole phenomenon. Cl is stored in inactive forms HCl and ClONO2, which are converted into active forms Cl and ClO. There is a drop-in pressure in the winter creating a vortex, which is cold (-80C) and creates polar stratospheric clouds (PSC). The inactive forms are trapped onto the clouds moisture. Following reactions happen in the clouds:

HCl + ClO2NO2 → HNO3 + Cl2
H2O + ClO2NO2 → HNO3 + HOCl

These products then react further when there is sunlight:
HOCl+UV→H+ClO
Cl2 + UV→2Cl

Then they can break down Ozone:
Cl + O3 → ClO + O2

Basically reservoir species of Cl, namely, HCl and ClONO2, react on the surface of atmospheric particles or polar stratospheric cloud particles, leading to the production of Cl2 and HClO, while nitrogen gets locked up as NO3- in the particles. Both Cl2 and HClO are readily photolyzed to Cl when sunlight becomes available in the Antarctic spring.
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Kung Lao - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 08:57:01 EST vDf+CLGz No.4955673 Reply
>>4955672
This is reason why we have a big ole zone hole over the antarctic by the way. This is the mechanism behind it
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Court McGee - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 08:58:15 EST RKOZfxbo No.4955674 Reply
>>4955670
k, have fun with that lmao
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Kung Lao - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 09:03:47 EST vDf+CLGz No.4955680 Reply
>>4955674
Have you ever thought about how damaging your karma view would be if you had any power to actually judge people or make them feel bad about being born poor or in the wrong country or in the wrong religion? Just asking, because I find your philosophy to be an incredibly narrow and privileged while also containing a sort of Western brand of borrowing Eastern mythology
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Kung Lao - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 11:07:21 EST vDf+CLGz No.4955786 Reply
>>4955704
Dude what the fuck are you talking about. Your life and my life is privileged as fuck; are you really gonna sit there and pretend like other people don't get completely fucked?
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Court McGee - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 11:09:23 EST RKOZfxbo No.4955788 Reply
>>4955786
Well, it can only be God fucking them or them fucking themselves. Same thing in any case.
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Kung Lao - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 11:11:39 EST vDf+CLGz No.4955791 Reply
>>4955788
So basically your world view just made you sound like an douche bag with no empathy for others, how is that plus? That's how you sound, man.
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Court McGee - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 11:30:49 EST RKOZfxbo No.4955795 Reply
>>4955791
ok, why would i care? I unconditionally love all of God's creation, and help most people who comes to me for help, unless I think their request will hurt them or me, so why would I care what people think about me? In any case, it's a misinterpretation of what I actually AM, not even my own views of me can accurately represent that, but it's alot closer than anyone else's. That's life, notice how I don't assume things about you, or even talk about you.

btw, that's a basic buddhist/zen worldview, so I guess monks are douchebags too

hi
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Kung Lao - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 11:47:59 EST vDf+CLGz No.4955808 Reply
>>4955795
I would never want to become disassociated from how other people perceive me and the world itself. I value other people's interpretations of love and of consequence, and it helps me know what growth feels like and when I am becoming too isolated to make good decisions. A consequence of not putting in the effort to do what 'feels' like growth and positive movement results in a lot judging. I can recognize the difference in how those two things feel and make decisions on how I'd love to move toward better actions.

I do not think I could subscribe to a view as rigid as one without assumptions because assumptions help pave the way I perceive while also informing me of the way I will be perceived by others, in that I will be able to experience when I am contributing negatively.

I always have to be responsible, but it also means I cut myself and others slack, and that I always know that when I do not cut myself slack then I'm also heavily judging others and not viewing people in a very good light.
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Kung Lao - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:14:34 EST vDf+CLGz No.4955821 Reply
>>4955812
Will you allow yourself to fall into the depths of someones volcano with the sure mind that they will pull you up from the brink of being engulfed in flame. Would you let someone spelunking into the crevasse of your subconscious knowing that they depended on your to pull up the slack from their rope?

How much do you give and how much do you lend? When do you give more and who do you give more to? When you do you ask for more and who do you ask more of? Monk
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Reginald Bluntstein - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:16:08 EST ixoy6rQi No.4955822 Reply
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you deleted pol and turned n into r/chapotraphouse and then you bring your shit here in b

you people are fucking cancer. race is real, gender differences are biological and genetic, the third world is trash because of its human capital and human biodiversity and not because of

you will report this rather than ignore it because you are a fucking FREAK with broken emotions and a broken mind, on a emotional mission to destroy everything that reminds you of you feeling of inadequacy and doubt. you ruin online web sites through the same psychology and methods as you do cities, schools, friend groups, entire nations. you are a black cloud who brings weakness and suffocation with you, you are the denial of life, you are anti human, you are sick, and you are bad
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Court McGee - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:19:44 EST RKOZfxbo No.4955824 Reply
>>4955821
Depends how I'm feeling, but if you attune to your highest self, you can't go wrong, if you truly trust it. Mask Ying yang Paradoxical-Godhead didn't write a rulebook at first, bunch of homebrews made in a dollhouse
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Shiney McShine - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:20:50 EST BowkiUKZ No.4955825 Reply
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>>4955822
Of course the frog-faggot the future immigrant ends up with a name that ends on -stein.

Satan bless Kirt, SLAYER!
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Tabitha St. Germain - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:28:07 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4955833 Reply
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>>4955829
>talking about a politician's engorged baby blood reservoirs
Your funeral.
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Kung Lao - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:37:08 EST vDf+CLGz No.4955842 Reply
>>4955834
An act from a good person to another in need will reach another in need and fulfill the good person's deed.


Or maybe not, but that is okay
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Shiney McShine - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:39:46 EST BowkiUKZ No.4955845 Reply
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>>4955841
Of course the frog-faggot the future immigrant ends up with a name that ends on -stein.

Satan bless Kirt, SLAYER!
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Tabitha St. Germain - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:43:01 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4955851 Reply
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>>4955841
I agree that people here act like prissy authoritarian weenies a lot of the time, but you're clearly an equally obnoxious faggot too.
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Kirtaner Aster - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:43:17 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4955852 Reply
>>4955591
You'll probably get people playing dumb like >>4955626 but how any self-respecting leftist ever fell for the open borders shit is a goddamn mystery to me. Flooding the labor market with cheap exploitable labor that simultaneously retards the development of countries suffering brain drain while dividing the working class up into easily controllable piece meal portions is nowhere close to compassionate, altruistic, or even responsible.

The only people who benefit from that are those who advocate for ethnic conflict and the same robber barons leftists claim to oppose, and yet suggest for a moment that inviting a demographic invasion from a group clinging to a regressive theology is a bad idea and leftists throw a shit fit. The western working classes have nothing to gain voting for parties that are clearly there for cat ladies and Islamists.
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Aaron Simpson - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:43:54 EST VpznqkBs No.4955853 Reply
Unsurprisingly this thread gets derailed to all shit. Meanwhile buttigeig has an alleged .1 percent lead over sanders
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Reginald Bluntstein - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:46:36 EST ixoy6rQi No.4955855 Reply
>>4955591
Why must you brits inject your island issues into these topics at every turn. You lot are the proverbial Mexicans immigrants of the anglosphereic online world
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Shiney McShine - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:47:38 EST BowkiUKZ No.4955857 Reply
>>4955852
Who the fuck even cares about open borders you fucking retard.

BAM, go hard on those taxes. BAM, fuck up the rich. There's SO MUCH UNTAXED MONEY JUST LAYING AROUND. Open borders is some crybaby false-flag alt-right talking point bullshit by fucking stormfront immigrant neonazi infiltrators to slide people to the right like those nazi cunts did in the '20s and '30s before killing off all the lefties in the Night of the Long Knives after they got the votes from the workers.

FUCK UP THE RICH, that's all the left needs to do. Fucking retard.
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Aaron Simpson - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:49:04 EST VpznqkBs No.4955858 Reply
>>4955854
Classic alt right tactic, do something in broad daylight and deny you're doing it. Even the Democrats have taken to it, such a sad world we live in
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Reginald Bluntstein - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:51:45 EST ixoy6rQi No.4955859 Reply
>>4955858
I don't want to see faggot politics on this board. You alt-left have your containment boards, but as usual you can't stand your own company and the inevitable byproducts of your ideology, so you constantly need to seek and infest other areas to infect and seek engagement. It's really hilarious. /wooo/ is like an island protected from the rest of this diseased site
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Kung Lao - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:53:15 EST vDf+CLGz No.4955861 Reply
>>4955853
And that's bad because he has less electability than sanders because he is a homosexual? That's where my mind went to, but I honestly have no idea what the fuck this thread is actually about.

Also, does a gay person have less electability than a jewish person?

If we're really going to play this game where the republicans are all brainiacs with IQ's that are 6.3 standard deviations above the mean, doesn't this mean that they are trying to get us to choose between the two capable but least electable candidates?

Do you really want to subscribe to a world view where you're battling evil geniuses who have shown you nothing of their genius?
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Aaron Simpson - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:53:27 EST VpznqkBs No.4955862 Reply
>>4955859
Keep it up, point fingers at nonexistent factions. Who is the Richard Spencer of the "alt-left", please inform me
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Kirtaner Aster - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:57:14 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4955867 Reply
>>4955857
You'll never fuck up anyone because allowing open borders to fester means the rich can sack you and hire some poor schmuck to do the same job for peanuts. Your strikes will never accomplish anything for it.

And because humans are naturally tribalistic, especially when they're competing for resources like jobs, the working classes will be easy to play against each other instead of banding together to bring down the rich. There's a reason Neo-Cons love open borders, it allows them to undercut the value of domestic labor and exploit the value of foreign labor. Both countries on either end of the equation lose, and the only winner is the fat cat trying to make more money off your back.

You literally cannot have a strong labor market with workers protections and adequate welfare while having open borders. Leftists used to understand this, but they got bit by the woke bullshit and now they're all intersectional cultists doing the bidding of the billionaires they claim to hate.
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Shiney McShine - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 13:04:07 EST BowkiUKZ No.4955870 Reply
>>4955867
>You literally cannot have a strong labor market with workers protections and adequate welfare while having open borders.

lol yurop.
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Beatrice Blackwater - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 13:19:28 EST 7JXWX72I No.4955872 Reply
>>4955870
>>4955867
none of the countries you people are talking about even have open borders, Europe fucking doesn't lmao

the right chronically confuses open borders, refugees and compassionate immigration policies, things most developed countries pay a token lip service to, with elite driven economically focused replacement immigration to poach skilled workers from poor countries that invest in their citizen's education without having to invest in your own, who get funneled into maximum developer profit margin single unit housing in overheated real estate bubbles


If you're one of those people who think Canada is some sort of stallioned open borders refugee haven you're a fucking retard and you're falling for our domestic propaganda, we take in more Iranian civil engineers in a year than we do all refugees and if you're not economically useful its really fucking hard for you to get into the country
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Shiney McShine - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 13:32:33 EST BowkiUKZ No.4955879 Reply
>>4955872
Isn't that what open borders are?

"You're living in a warzone son? Why don't you come chill with us for a while, in safety?"
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Penelo - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:36:18 EST ROpq0DAd No.4955909 Reply
>>4955896
No they fucking didn't, people have historically crossed borders all the time in Europe, half the countries are split up into multiple linguistic regions some of which have been baying for independence for centuries, Europe's rise to dominance coincided with the existence of global empires which are definitionally the opposite of ethnostates, royal families were being swapped around countries constantly with monarchs sometimes not even speaking the language of their countries, and exchange with North Afric/West Asia/Middle East has been a constant for all of history.

You are really really historically illiterate, my man.
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Badar N'D'D - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:37:56 EST utoiCvkb No.4955910 Reply
>>4955896
You have a real shallow american understanding of race. Europe isn't a singular racial group that's "white". No one in Italy shares kinship with someone from Norway or Russia. Eastern Europeans are discriminated against in the UK and many hide their slavic roots to blend it. Where's the white unity there? White only becomes a thing when you mix a group of people who only share physical features in the new world.

Even in Europe each country/ethnicity wasn't always that same homogeneous people for millennia. Immigrants from the middle east and asia went and mixed with the local people. Eventually over time they forget their lineages and become part of the majority group. The Roman empire was vast and had free open immigration from each country. That's why southern Europeans look different than nordics. If they were uniform ethnostates then they would look exactly the same
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Cowgirl Beatrice - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 16:19:09 EST 3Cr0F64A No.4955924 Reply
>>4955672

Only person that knows what is really going on. ozone layer degradation to kill the lizard people's eggs

>>4955896

If the workers are not united in throwing off the chains of control, there is no victory. Until we all benefit from our own labor, none of us will succeed.

Now I'm going to go build my own fiat economy based around addictive substances and cult teachings in which I am emperor.
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Robert Dicke - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 16:48:37 EST kn4S+o0f No.4955942 Reply
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>>4955250
Actually no? Let me school you right quick.

From the caption of the article below, describing who Seth Klarman is: “Hedge-fund billionaire Seth Klarman funds both the Pete Buttigieg campaign and Shadow Inc, the firm run by former Clinton staff that created the app behind the Iowa caucus disaster”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thegrayzone.com/2020/02/04/pro-israel-buttigieg-seth-klarman-iowas-voting-app/amp/

For anyone doubting the legitimacy of Grazyone, here is its founder, Max Blumenthal. He’s an esteemed journalist and not a conspiracy theorist, despite being consistently opposed to mainstream media narratives. (Like RT being Kremlin propaganda.)

“Blumenthal has written for The New York Times, The Nation, and Al Jazeera English, among other publications.[3] He was formerly a writer for AlterNet,[4] The Daily Beast, Al Akhbar, and Media Matters for America,[5] and was selected as a Fellow of the Nation Institute.“

Nation Institute/Type Media Center is itself, made up many esteemed journalists and award winning programs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Blumenthal

“Nation Institute” (now Type Media Center)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_Media_Center
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Tabitha St. Germain - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 18:22:05 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4955997 Reply
>>4955996
World's most dangerous terror organizations:
ISIS
Falun Gong
The Whites
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Beatrice Blackwater - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 18:26:45 EST 7JXWX72I No.4955999 Reply
>>4955997
no not that
just something about making a post with nothing but the headline of a vice article, and then also that vice article, with the headline in the URL, source=circlejerk.com

it feels very on the nose to me?
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Kirtaner Aster - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 18:38:29 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956006 Reply
>>4955910
>No one in Italy shares kinship with someone from Norway or Russia

They do when their native indigenous cultures are being rapidly replaced by Islamist scum invited en mass by self-loathing and self-destructive leftists. You'd have thought the Birmingham school protests would have been a clear indicator that western progressivism cannot coexist with that group, but intersectional morons gonna intersectional.
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Stitch - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:19:08 EST SyJ41SU5 No.4956025 Reply
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>>4956006
How does it feel, to be slave of Zion? How it feels, to support very ideology--Capitalism--that is driving force behind everything from new wave feminism to flooding your countries with cheap labor to transism to nonstop foreign wars? There is words for what you are: stallion and /pol/ buzzword of the month who only parrot garbage propaganda you was fed. You literally are /pol/ buzzword of the months. I cannot take seriously any one of you as human and not bots. Poorly scripted bots too.
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Pierre Cubat - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:30:38 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4956033 Reply
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>>4956031
Are you really gonna stick up for some time travelling immigrant?
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Smokimus Maximus - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:33:25 EST Bf9waaKw No.4956035 Reply
>>4956025

>posts hundreds of times each and every day
>every post it's always the same wild-eyed rant against capitalism and western society
>calls everyone else a bot

Ha. That's rich...

GET IT???? I make capitalism joke
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Bruon Rossi - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:45:15 EST zVgCHF4g No.4956037 Reply
>>4956033
Don't belittle him. He has the weight of the world on him. He's so smart, and everyone else are blind sheep, brainwashed and unable to think for themselves. Only he, a God among men who stands outside causality itself, possesses truly free will. Can you imagine the pain such enlightenment must bring? Do you know how much responsibility he has to bring the truth to the unthinking cattle? It is perhaps too much to bear.

Thank God he is using his agency to its fullest, posting on a dead imageboard so the his rants can be scrolled past by dozens of people.
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Pierre Cubat - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:47:49 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4956038 Reply
>>4956037
I mean, I was referring to the braindead /pol/ zombie that he was replying to, that you have the appearance of sticking up for.
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John Shepard - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:52:02 EST L54DBZmp No.4956040 Reply
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If the Democraps can't even count votes, how can we expect them to run the country?!
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Barry Windham - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:01:57 EST W2kU6zbR No.4956045 Reply
>>4956041
I've never even seen that but from what I've heard about it, yeah that's what I was going for.
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John Besh - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:03:57 EST ixoy6rQi No.4956047 Reply
>>4955942
Crazy. I don't know what to make of this. What is the synthesis of this? Why is Klarman doing this?

I was just watching s10e02 of Curb your Enthusiasm and i straight up had to turn it off becuase of how Jewish it was. I don't really care that Larry is Jewish or he uses that as themes in his show, but what he's doing, probably inadvertently, is showing what it's like as a hollywood Jew. His lawyer, Richard Kind, Richard Lewis, that fat guy who looks like Weinstein. And then they had two thug black guys at the poker table for diversity, and sometimes a token goy like Ted Danson. It's fiction but the whole gig is that it's Larry David's real life mined and satirized, and the image you get is this completley, utterly, unapologetically Jewish insular atmosphere where they live in obscene oppulence amongst themselves. The black characters smell so strongly of forced, fake diversity it only highlights the insular nature of the rest fo the Jewish characters and its presumed reflection of their real life relationships. Even the episode one, the coffe shop guy, the guy Larry left from the party. Are they doing it on purpose? WE GET IT, YOU'RE JEWISH! HOLLYWOOD IS JEWISH!

Easily one of the best show of the past 20 years and after 10 seasons I can't fucking take it anymore. Bagatelles pour un massacre.
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Chuck Hughes - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:01:18 EST QmBs14Cb No.4956064 Reply
>>4956047
you're getting pretty good at your antisemitism lad, if you squint it almost seems like something that belongs in casual conversation
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Eugene Pengerpick - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:14:18 EST NNubMxD7 No.4956070 Reply
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>>4956067
That's what you always deflect with, you're out gunned PharaohMan.
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Eugene Pengerpick - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:18:22 EST NNubMxD7 No.4956074 Reply
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>>4956067
>_Professional Wrestling Discussion - 6355336

>>6355452 you're just the shitty lolTNA ripoff Netjester and you're mom is a fag who I fuck in the …

Next Thursday, same CoolSpot Time,, same Vector(Man) Channel - and don't take any shot about cancer from your M.D.
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Keegan Friedman - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 22:48:27 EST Odh4Xtei No.4956115 Reply
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>>4955090
Anyone wanna make a bet on what kind of shenanigans from the DNC/media we're gonna see for New Hampshire/Nevada/South Carolina?
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Fanny Blackham - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 23:36:48 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956130 Reply
>>4956010
At least you're honest about being a bootlicking piece of shit. Astounding how leftists are ready to side with the world's most belligerent religious theocrats just because their newfound intersectional dogma tells them melanin = holiness.


>>4956025
What makes you think I support zionists, neocons, or Trump for that matter? If I were any of those, why the fuck would I be lamenting the death of any viable attempt to institute binding worker's protection laws because you dip shits insist on turning every Western city into a Balkanizing slum for the sake of glorified take out menus? You bitch, cry, moan, and whine about capitalism 24/7 while advocating for one of corporatism's most destructive tenets in regards to labor. There's a reason they like open borders, and all they have to tell you is it's racist to say no to them and there you are, helping them undermine your own stated goals.
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Fanny Blackham - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 23:42:49 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956134 Reply
>>4956132
For what? Western socialists have turned into upper middle class yuppies actively showering disdain and derision on western working classes because the latter has the gall to say no to brain dead shit like mass migration.

The billionaires have leftists eating out of the palm of their hand. Every time their tech firms start censoring undesirables the soccer mom pansies that leftists have turned into play cheerleader for it, wholly ignorant that the same apparatus will be turned on them.
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Lingering Hotwaggle - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 23:52:36 EST RDhpj8S7 No.4956137 Reply
Wow, politics are fucking gay. I mean if you like to talk about politics you most likely, like to take 2 foot megacocks up your ass.
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Rachael Ray - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 23:57:26 EST PErI9j88 No.4956140 Reply
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>>4956134
when you spend all day inside on your computer and still think you have the authority to tell people how the world works
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Stitch - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 00:17:19 EST SyJ41SU5 No.4956146 Reply
>>4956140
He is entirely correct though. Mass migration in this context is tool of Capitalists for exploitation of labor. Political correctness identity politics woke crowd is Capitalist tool as much as other form of identity politic cancer like poltards. It is specifically designed for undermining work class to benefit Capitalists.
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John Besh - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 01:18:13 EST ixoy6rQi No.4956162 Reply
>>4956146
(rhymes with Spews) are always communists agitators until they gain control. Then they become capitalists. Funny that
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John Besh - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 02:09:18 EST ixoy6rQi No.4956179 Reply
>>4956174
I'm part irish and I saw how Irish act firs hand and heard many stories of the full blooded Irish from the early 1800s. They were very clannish, there's no question about it. Some of the criticisms are based on observable reality. ;m not gonna dignify the comparison any more than that.
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Martha Bronnershaw - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 02:51:02 EST vDf+CLGz No.4956181 Reply
>>4956161
>>4956162
>>4956179

When the terminology used in your cultural and political talking points follows an invented nomenclature of pseudo-academic buzzwords spawned out of the graying vortex of right wing forum discussions and conservative blog posts, all of which have no immediate or agreed upon meaning to anyone on the outside of those insular and gated communities, then it becomes incredibly difficult for anyone who wants a debate to actually qualify your beliefs and come to an established consensus about what the terms mean, let alone form the adequate basis by which to collect your meaning, relate your ideas, and crosscheck your evidence.

The wizardry of fear and values-based vocabulary and the word-sensing used to under or overvalue different words and phrases based on who is saying them and when they get said is far too exhausting for anyone to believe in the conditions of good faith. It is never correct to assume that the noise of your signals can be taken out, translated, and then argued with you on.
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Bruon Rossi - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 06:40:58 EST zVgCHF4g No.4956194 Reply
>>4956192
Cancel culture isn't far left. It's apolitical schoolmarmery
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Nodunaga Oda - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 07:54:43 EST cBfPPnCn No.4956205 Reply
>>4956199
Nobody wants to build a utopia, they just don't want to see people in power who want to maintain their power by genociding everyone they don't like. Ultimately you're the cancer. People don't deserve to die so that you don't have to see a man in a dress in public. You need to change your views on what you're willing to accept in society.
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Elder Jenny - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 09:18:54 EST RKOZfxbo No.4956223 Reply
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>>4956205
lmao wtf are you talking about jolly african-american I'M THAT MAN IN THE DRESS stop posting holy fuck you hyper-assumptuous fuckhead

btw if you arent trying to bring about utopia u aren't even trying, sorry
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Rachael Ray - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 09:33:24 EST PErI9j88 No.4956229 Reply
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>>4956205
>if you're not a classical Marxist you are NOT on the left and you're probably a transphobe as well

really stupid assumption

t. "man in a dress" who knows dialectical materialism is bullshit
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Stitch - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 10:09:44 EST SyJ41SU5 No.4956230 Reply
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>>4956161
>alt left
Is not thing. No matter how hard you try there is not equal opposite equivalent to you disgusting right wing terrorists. You are definition of evil and always had been. Going into churches, mosques, synagogues and murdering innocent people, shooting old ladies and children in they places of worship. No leftist wants anything remotely equivalent you disgusting subhuman rightard disgusting nazi filth. Follow your leader and shoot yourself in head. You literally have to invent strawmen to pretend opponents as bad as you know yourself are to make it even appear on passing you are not filth to everybody including yourselves.
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Stitch - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 10:25:47 EST SyJ41SU5 No.4956234 Reply
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>>4956192
What in fuck is "cancel culture". Why in fuck you poltards expect any of us knowing what in fuck you even mean by your insular buzzwords? Like I say, it is same thing as scientologist. They devolved so far from people into own insanity they now need dictstionary even to communicate with normal non-ponerized human beings. Whole idea that going to far extreme you get same thing is exactly bullshit made up by usual bourgeois dumbfuck suburban USA 19 year old kid who know absolutely fucking nothing about world, political philosophy, history, anything but also stupid enough with low enough character development to think he have right to speak on it like authority figure.

What you talking about is not right or left it is authoritarianism. Yes, if you go far enough jntl authoritarian you get similar figures. This is not right or left. Shariah law is same thing and so is absolut monarchist same thing. Having violent cult membership is same thing. Where violent cult fit on your faggy false dichotomy spectrum huh? Also, is not same thing anyway because political philosophy between fascists and Capitalists, and Communists, remain very different thing.

Also easily pointed out that neofascist nazi shitheads only have one mode of violent hyper authoritarianism and hierarchism. Socialism and left have everywhere from bullshit of Stalin to extremes of anarchism. You not even know differences of Lenin, Bakunin, Trotsky, Stalin, Posad even who more of joke, Fourier, Webb, Proudhoun, Kropotkin, many others. Also, worth noting is you see how many leftist intellectuals there is? I show you how many divergences there is between just Socialists and quasi Socialist which is only section of left. Why it is, that whole of rightards have no intellectuals at all and best you can do is Evola and some crying bitchman psychiatrist prozac addict?
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Rachael Ray - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 10:28:12 EST PErI9j88 No.4956235 Reply
>>4956234
>kill all the liberals and make America red forever

In an alternative timeline this means something much cooler
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Pierre Cubat - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 10:36:45 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4956238 Reply
>>4956234
>What in fuck is "cancel culture". Why in fuck you poltards expect any of us knowing what in fuck you even mean by your insular buzzwords?
It's more of an American buzzword than a /pol/tard buzzword. Very very common, actually.
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EMH MARK 2 - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 10:38:17 EST 3Cr0F64A No.4956240 Reply
>>4956229

You got the illuminatus trilogy in there twice. Good reading list though
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Pierre Cubat - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 10:43:50 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4956245 Reply
>>4956244
It's in reference to "perceiving a fault in a political enemy, either in their stance or actions, and dogpiling onto them with your entire ingroup publicly to force them into silence." Something like that.

Think like, finding a tweet from 2011 where someone said a slur one time and attempting to start a faggy social media firestorm about it. It's commonplace from various ideological angles.
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AngusGullystere.eml - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 10:44:22 EST ldOf3npx No.4956247 Reply
>>4956244
mob mentality combined with victim ideology. Do you know what a mob is? Or what a victim mindset is? If not I'm sure someone could explain it.
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EMH MARK 2 - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 10:47:11 EST 3Cr0F64A No.4956249 Reply
>>4956247

when it is someone else's fault, but non specific, that's a victim mentality.
when it is someone else's fault, but a specific group of people, that's fascist.
when it is your own fault, and you work to better yourself, that is slavery.
when the potatoes wilt and die, so you move across the seas and take over an entire continent and brainwash the world, aye lad, that's the ticket.
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Rachael Ray - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 11:15:44 EST PErI9j88 No.4956257 Reply
Canceling is a very specific thing in-group coercion, if you aren't already on the left (or a part of any group) you can't be "cancelled" because there's no reason for you give a shit, it's not the same thing as deplatforming, and the vast majority of the time people who say they're being "cancelled" are enduring neither, just look at Dave Chappelle, he could play the victim and pretend that people calling him out for shitty jokes is LITERALLY censorship, meanwhile he's a multimillionaire with regular Netflix specials, absolutely nothing happened to him because college freshmen with dyed hair got mad on Twitter
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Elder Jenny - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 11:29:00 EST RKOZfxbo No.4956260 Reply
>>4956252
>>4956257
It's just a terrible social trend and habit, whatever happened to listening to people and trying to understand things from their angle, then come to a synthesis instead of trying to lock them away or banish them? Are we still tribalistic stooges in loincloths? Fuck that, my friends, Intergalactic Planetary.
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Joseph Taylor Jr. - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 11:32:56 EST JAabUWi9 No.4956263 Reply
>>4956260
i love how the advertisers and the banking corporations have swindled you idiots into thinking spiky haired people on tumblr have the power to cancel anything

>d-duhhhh stop arguing with me CCANCEL CULTURE ;_____;
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Stitch - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 11:44:20 EST SyJ41SU5 No.4956266 Reply
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>>4956260
For most people, yes. For poltards absolutely not. I been listening to these idiots for many years. It is nothing new. They are not honest speakers. They have no genuine interest in discourse. They do nothing but shout retarded memes and buzzword at you which is funniest thing they out of anybody cry about so call "cancel culture" where it sound like what that word really mean is exactly what poltard do to themself.
>h-hey guys m-maybe Trump is actually wrong about his Israel first policy
>maybe, giving Saudi Arabia nukes is bad idea
>baww libtard! Jew! Jidf pls go Shariah blue /pol/ buzzword of the month stallion
Literally not fucking poking in arguing with them or speaking to them anyway. You have literal same purpose as arguing with chinabot. They do not deserve any consideration. People who want literal genocide do not deserve any consideration and if they gain power they only deserve being shot and bombed. Only stupidly naive Chamberlain types think otherwise and your mistakes always lead us eventually to getting millions innocent people killed rather than handful of faggots.
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Nodunaga Oda - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 11:48:02 EST cBfPPnCn No.4956267 Reply
>>4956260
Why don't you stop going on the internet and spewing out hateful opinions, and then complaining when people find them offensive? Nobody is canceling me.
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Joe Lauzon - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 12:00:03 EST aIkPR0XC No.4956273 Reply
>>4956229
That "wallstreet and the bolshevik revolution" is utter shit by a libertarian who loves to do 0% research before spouting anticommunist urban legends as facts. He also did "Hitler and wallstreet" book, but you dont see it in the list because /x/ is a bunch of neonazi losers larping enlightenment
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Joe Lauzon - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 12:07:36 EST aIkPR0XC No.4956281 Reply
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>>4956277
Fine, explain how this book did not make it to the list but its sequel did? How can it be anything else but literal love for Hitler's cock.
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Collector Molly - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 12:13:05 EST Sw4EF+pD No.4956286 Reply
>>4956281
This is going to be fruitless. He's a simpleton that loves to spew edgy virg talking points but reverts go being a total fag if presented with any information that clashes with his narrative or requires him to evaluate it for more than a second, so typical wannabe nazi stuff. Keep presenting a coherent argument instead of making it about direct personal insults and you're gonna have a bad time.
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William de Sitter - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 12:17:16 EST zQw/lajP No.4956287 Reply
>>4956285
You...your first language isn't English, is it?
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Joe Lauzon - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 12:25:30 EST aIkPR0XC No.4956292 Reply
>>4956285
>>4956286
>>4956287
I actually fucked up, wallstreet&bolshevik revolution IS the first one in the series, I remembered wrong. Its still a bad series from a bad author and shouldnt be in a greenpill list, since its just libertarian talking points with no esoteric value at all. Also theres a good reason to always suspect every fourchannel meme to be made by nazis, so I regret nothing
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Pierre Cubat - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 12:36:29 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4956297 Reply
>>4956292
Good on you for owning up to it. I do basically agree that anything futuristic needs to be approached with a pretty discerning eye, and most of the political stuff doesn't have a whole lot of value in that list.

I was just tryna yank your chain and have some fun letting you know you were off base a bit.
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Stitch - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 13:07:21 EST SyJ41SU5 No.4956317 Reply
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>>4956273
>/x/
Anyway what in absolut fuck happened to /spooky/? It used to be one of best boards on here even few years ago. Now it is shit and has been shit. Same happens to /tinfoil/. Who or what in fuck made this cancer happen? Where all of good posters from there went?
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William de Sitter - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 13:08:59 EST zQw/lajP No.4956319 Reply
>>4956317
What do you care? You just want to talk endlessly about politics. I post in both places. The reason the two boards are dead is because people don't post there.
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Longrod Von Hugendong - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 13:14:01 EST Ng2tXNuc No.4956322 Reply
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>>4956319
It's no fun trying to discuss paranormal topics when half of the posts are people screaming about proof, seriously dampening any rel discussion of methodoligies, paractices, etc. Actual paranormal discussion happens on paranormal forums, where people at least aren't stubbornly skeptic and can entertain a thought for the sake of conversation. Strangely, 4skin /x/ is now becoming aware of reality, and actual paranormal discussion outweighs creepypasta and skeptic rabble.
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Pierre Cubat - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 13:15:57 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4956323 Reply
>>4956322
Yeah, /x/ is actually half interesting, because there are a couple of genuine genius wizards in-house and you can have a decent conversation occasionally.
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Carrie Fisher - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 13:17:44 EST 7JXWX72I No.4956324 Reply
>>4956317
/tinfoil/ specifically died when /wooo/ raided it a few years back, bumped off every single thread on the board and replaced it with chris benoit emote spam, kirt gave it a thumbs up, nobody bothered deleting the spam, and every couple months someone would just come back and necrobump 5 pages of it

absolutely destroyed the community, eventually they cleaned it up but it was too late
fuck /wooo/
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Darien Wallace - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 13:48:50 EST j4sxUs+l No.4956333 Reply
Who the actual fuck is voting for Pete? No one cares about Pete, how in the fuck does he have the most votes?
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Darien Wallace - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 14:05:08 EST j4sxUs+l No.4956341 Reply
>>4956335
What is illogical about what I said? If nobody cares about x then it follows logically that x shouldn't be popular. And if anything, Pete Butt is the most boomer candidate of all of them with his sneaky neoliberal agenda. Bernie is the candidate the cool kids are hyped for.
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Martha Bronnershaw - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 16:37:26 EST vDf+CLGz No.4956371 Reply
>>4956366
>right wing schlubs can do for free what takes leftists years and tens of thousands of dollars in superfluous study.

Why would anyone believe that you have any evidence backing up your claim that leftists do this 10x more than reactionary right wing conservatives when you don't even believe in the validity of academic research and institutions?

Any type of information gathering you've conducted is immediately betrayed by your word-sensing and redefinition of evidence.
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EMH MARK 2 - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 18:31:36 EST 3Cr0F64A No.4956407 Reply
>>4956254

Amazon, Australia, if only there was more coughing up blood it would seem profound.

Whether we like it or whether we don't
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Fanny Blackham - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 18:43:59 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956411 Reply
>>4956371
Yes, because the astroturfed attempt to redefine racism with a moronic power + privilege qualifier totally didn't happen in hermetically sealed leftist echo chambers within academia where dip shits spend tens of thousands of dollars learning to do nothing but regurgitate the ramblings of Maxim Gorky and jerk off with cheap Taiwanese made USSR flags sold to them at marked up prices.

It's not like anyone can just head off to any major tube site and find hundreds of videos of leftist retards losing their shit and attacking people because they've been inculcated with the lunacy of conflating moronic speeches from the likes of Ben Shapiro with actual real life violence. Berkeley had to pay 600K in security fees just so that Jewish manlet could preach to the choir for a few hours, all because the word violence has been redefined to mean whatever leftist ideologues want it to, and because the academy is full of leftists who never have to entertain that they might be wrong or ever run into an actual challenge to their bullshit.

So no, leftist morons do not get to whine, bitch, cry, and squeal about anyone redefining anything when an average DSA meeting is full of this to the point laymen can barely understand it. Especially when it's obvious it's all by design, because a bunch of yuppies larping as Bolsheviks have only loathing to offer actual working people, and so speaking down to and around them with a bunch of word salad bullshit is the only way they'll ever convince anyone to entertain the notion of a moral vanguard composed of prissy busybodies.
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Fanny Blackham - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 18:51:01 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956413 Reply
>>4956412
GeneralButch is pretty meh. Chun-Li's ass looks fake as fuck there and Juri would definitely fuck harder than that.

3/10 derail attempt
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Natima Lang - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 19:18:26 EST j4sxUs+l No.4956420 Reply
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would you fuck young bernie sanders?
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 19:19:00 EST iLikEToleARn No.4956422 Reply
>>4956421
Nyla rose earned the opportunity of their songs on the bodybuilding.com forum using the diving headbutt was an overreaction, though roughly half full with gail kim, winning with a contracted production company tupelo honey were brought to as good as a 6-foot-5, 295 pounds who looks at herself in the coming of age magic fighting shows, wonder how long to cut the best wrestler alive", do you think they have such a sellout, which on the WWE universe for more than 2000 because you're pissed off trainee that was super pissed off all i know it's not, you retard.
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David Fury - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 19:22:20 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956424 Reply
>>4956422
This is why you guys can't meme. Instead of a relevant shitpost that subverts or undermines the point, this is just desperate copypast'd nonsense. Boomer tier.
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NellBlackhall.avi - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 19:23:44 EST Sw4EF+pD No.4956426 Reply
>>4956424
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
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Skier Nicholas - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 21:09:37 EST UVm+b3ud No.4956474 Reply
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>>4955910
Not even within Italy. Northern Italians regard Southern Italians and Sicilians as lazy, shiftless half-Moorish apes who live in poverty and move up north to tak der jerbs. They fucking hate each other worse than gringos and Mexicans do.

Let alone how they've historically viewed their Germanic, Helvetican, Celtic and Slavic fellow Europeans.

Treating European history like it's all the same ethnically homogenous white culture is actually really disrespectful of the beautiful and diverse tapestry of hate we've weaved for one another over the years.
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Deanna Troi - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 21:21:44 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4956477 Reply
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>>4956475
>they have no culture or history and just one big vat of mashed potato with extra butter.
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Seamus - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 23:25:14 EST SyJ41SU5 No.4956526 Reply
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>>4956424
>thinking shitposting is good thing unironicallythis says about the future more than you know
>saying anything about memes
>from group who not made one single meme of their own instead steal from everybody else including leftists because it is well known no rightard intellectuals or artists exist
>genuinely thinking some shitpost jpeg loaded with slogan or buzzword somehow makes you genius
You are at level of retard I cannot even imagine. It is like approaching space aliens.
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Gertrud Cuntskewer - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 23:28:55 EST zVgCHF4g No.4956530 Reply
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yall b8ers been b8t'd in a jb thread
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Seamus - Fri, 07 Feb 2020 23:58:48 EST SyJ41SU5 No.4956538 Reply
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>>4956477
I'm right and you know it
What difference is between yoghurt and USAian? If you leave yoghurt alone for 200 years it grows culture

Well you have fair point. African USAians grew some culture and is not their fault being USAian besides. But, people with not much real culture outside small niches like Jazz and New Orleans and giant vat of mashed potato with brown sugar then. Any such attempt at growing true culture is murdered like elites had Tupac murdered. Now what we have? Mumble rap. Some stupid shit singing worship money this worship money that. USA culinary inventions is BBQ and twinkies. There is no such thing as "black" like there no such thing as "white." Any such "nationalism" is retarded.
One.
Big.
Vat
of
Mashed
Potato
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 02:47:15 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956592 Reply
>>4956451
>Not one single unique thought just like buzzwords, slogans, retardation, and even going far as blaming leftists because softcore neocon retards like Ben Shapiro wanted to waste more money on security. Complete faggot you are.

And then you follow that up with...
>>4956538
>What difference is between yoghurt and USAian? If you leave yoghurt alone for 200 years it grows culture

Which is boomer FB tier circa 2005. Project harder leftist faggot.

Also, Shapiro the manlet didn't spend 600K dollars, the city of Berkeley spent that to make sure him dancing in front of a couple hundred morons didn't have shit brained commies trying to burn shit down. Doesn't surprise me a leftist piece of shit doesn't know jack or shit about the nonsense their fellow comrades pull.

But yeah, go ahead, trash your own cities, burn your own businesses and apartments down, force your cities to spend massive amounts of money to make sure milquetoast neocons like Shapiro don't get attacked by the retards you have in your midst and are simply too chicken shit or too dumb to recognize.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 02:50:51 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956593 Reply
>>4956474
>Europeans are different
No one's explained why that makes it a good idea to import massive amounts of Islamists.
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NellBlackhall.avi - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 03:44:53 EST Sw4EF+pD No.4956605 Reply
>>4956593
So they can run a train on your mom through a hole in a sheet, oy vey.
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Seamus - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 06:54:59 EST SyJ41SU5 No.4956632 Reply
>>4956593
Capitalism literally is what is doing that mass immigration you hate so much but I wouldn't expect retarded nightwing filthy shithead to even recognize such thing. Your society is atomized by Capitalism. Changes in workforce with women you hate so much is ine good thing Capitalism did because under Socialism women would be free to stay at home raising children because State would take care of them so they didn't have to worry about becoming homeless unless both became rental slaves. Foreign corporations have bought and sold your country. Your very soil is owned by foreigners. I not speaking about national debt I mean your very land and skyscrapers owned by Arabs and Chinese while own white citizens live in poverty and homelessness beneath their shadows. How does that feel?

>>4956592
It was joke you stupid shit. I of course do not expect rightards to have intellectual capacity for recognizing difference between offhanded nonpolitical joke about USAians and retards spouting nonstop buzzword and slogans like robots in place of political discourse. Why would you be smart enough to understand such difference?

So, this neocon got city to spend their money instead of his. My implication is same thing. Also, I know enough about your unis to understand campus police waste tens of thousands of dollars at every event and charge shit out of private and public unis for it. I knew one person who complained out of his $30.000 event budget that he was forced to spend two thirds of it on campus police, who told him if he did not pay such money for hosting non-controversial event they would not allow it to happen. So, he was coerced by protection and extortion racket.

I suspect there many things you are not telling me and that 100% of what you know already filtered through lies and propaganda. I also do not expect you to know, that Capitalism is coercion and that freedom of choice not even truly exist in your society.
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 10:46:35 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956667 Reply
>>4956632

>Capitalism literally is what is doing that mass immigration you hate so much but I wouldn't expect retarded nightwing filthy shithead to even recognize such thing

it is recognised. there's a difference between recognising something and stopping it.
what left wing eunuchs refuse to admit, even to themselves, is that immigration has deprived the working classes in the advanced capitalist world of any bargaining power. it provides an immanent justification for dismantling social services, it undermines the power of unions, it increases rents, it introduces american-style racial divides where there were none previously.
when you're in a burning house, everyone acknowledges that the fire is the source of the problem. only left wingers will stand there while everyone suffocates from smoke inhalation and say 'akshully, the REAL problem is the fire, shut up about smoke you retard.'
of all the things you mention, only a nationalist would prevent or roll back any of it, while a left winger will make a lot of noise, increase government spending and do nothing on these points because his own base will burn him for being a racist fascist homophobic broscialist, do not claim otherwise.
strong national borders would be a greater impediment to the functioning of capitalism than welcoming migrants, and it would give the working classes far more bargaining power than your fucking calarts popper dreams.
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:07:07 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956685 Reply
>>4956671

not wrong though, am i? how exactly does open borders favour the working class? why do left wingers advocate mass immigration despite knowing all the social costs? which left wingers are calling for a ban on foreign ownership of property?
what better term than eunuch is there for people who know they are burning their own interests, but keep doing so because headpats from brown people matter more to them than life itself?
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Edwin Bopperstig - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:13:48 EST VpznqkBs No.4956687 Reply
>>4956685
You think powerless individuals are to blame for being taken advantage of, obviously you're an idiot who won't change his mind
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:24:13 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956689 Reply
>>4956687

they're not powerless, lmao. i come from the uk, where immigrant mafias terrorise entire towns and receive protection from their coethnics in the municipal authorities - that isn't powerlessness.
even if they were powerless, i won't accede to being crushed by the state out of some doughy, moralistic obligation towards people who are only here because that selfsame state has smashed their homelands to pieces, especially not because some nagging socialist eunuch, the government's sick, impotent skull trophies, wag their fucking fingers at me and call me a bad egg.
they know damn well what they are doing, and they still do it, with a song in their heart and a 'fuck whitey' on their lips. what exactly do i owe these tools?
in a labour relations context you'd call them scabs and suggest we crack their heads open, lmao, but you've been marinating in saccharine propaganda your entire life, you're incapable of standing up for yourself.
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:26:34 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956690 Reply
>>4956687

and if i was not open to changing my mind, i wouldn't have bothered to type all that out, would i? you peep out these tiny little one sentence posts because you feel no need to argue your point - you are the idiot, you are the one who will never engage with an opposing viewpoint, because you're sentimentally predisposed not to.
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:41:33 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956694 Reply
>>4956692

'angry fucks,' says the eunuch who was raging about the capitalist class half an hour ago. you demand i consider your point of view and then act like a wee boy when reciprocity is expected. you have no consistency and no spine, so its no wonder the left is shriveling up when its spokesmen are objects like yourself.
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Deanna Troi - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:45:03 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4956695 Reply
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>>4956694
>this booty bothered that people aren't dignifying his non-points with sincere responses
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:49:07 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956697 Reply
>>4956695

>le meme, tee hee!

for some people, politics goes beyond little shit flinging matches on the internet, though evidently not for you.
you say non points, but that's just bitchese for your inability to respond to anything i've said. yet you keep posting, because you have to save face somehow.
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Edwin Bopperstig - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:49:51 EST VpznqkBs No.4956698 Reply
>>4956694
See, that wrong assertion you made confusing me with someone else is just one of the multiple blunders you've made. You're excruciatingly wrong. Your whole ass is backwards sir, and I'm not here to help you with that
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:54:38 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956703 Reply
>>4956701
>>4956702

>comes into a thread about politics to whine about politics

lmao
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Deanna Troi - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:57:49 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4956704 Reply
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>>4956703
>Acts like a fag 24/7, doesn't even get paid
Not very capitalist of you
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Hannah Bunspear - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:59:19 EST 9BM/9OmI No.4956705 Reply
>>4956703
Nah. Just your irrational increasingly unhinged ranting. We have a crazy russian christian socialist who will gladly spend hours calling you mean names back and forth.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:00:02 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956706 Reply
>>4956639
Don't fear them, do fear their stupidity since they get to vote too. They get hoodwinked into spending tens of thousands of dollars on useless degrees and then become ideologically beholden to support dip shits like Bernie who promise to make it all go away.

>>4956632
>It was joke you stupid shit.
A joke 70 year old grannies on FB have been sharing for more than a decade. You whine about right wing people not having an original thought and then turn into fucking Jerry Seinfeld and then bitch and cry when that's pointed out. Project harder next time.

>Capitalism literally is what is doing that mass immigration
Then why do leftists support it unconditionally and without any measurable push back? There isn't a single major left wing party anywhere in the western world that doesn't hold mass immigration as a sacred cow. I know it's a tool to wreck the labor market, drive down wages, and pit working classes against each other, which is why it's so very confusing the vanguard ideologues who claim to support such classes can't stop sucking Muzzie dick whenever they encounter it.
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:00:46 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956707 Reply
>>4956704

i don't defend capitalism, mongoloid. immigration is a tool of the capitalist class. if your public toilet of a brain didn't process every word i type as 'enemy propaganda, discard immediately,' you'd have noticed this earlier.
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:05:43 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956710 Reply
>>4956705

unhinged, yes, but irrational? not really. i'm the only poor soul itt who has bothered to explain himself beyond meme-counter meme.

>>4956708

ok, i was wrong. i misidentified you - now what? what does that change, really?
rather than mouthing my words back at me, make a point to distinguish yourself from all the other spastics itt. i am not asking for the moon and the stars.

>Then why do leftists support it unconditionally and without any measurable push back? There isn't a single major left wing party anywhere in the western world that doesn't hold mass immigration as a sacred cow.

if you couldn't read this in my post, read it in this one >>4956706
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:09:50 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956712 Reply
>>4956711

how do you 'hold accountable' institutions against which you have no leverage whatsoever?
capitalism can only be opposed by the proletariat, because labour is essential to its function. when you enervate the labouring classes via mass immigration & free movement of capital across diminished national boundaries, you make it immeasurably more difficult to 'hold corporations accountable' - never mind that the point isn't to impotently screech about what corporate power is doing, to hold them accountable, the point is to break corporate power.
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Deanna Troi - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:14:50 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4956715 Reply
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>>4956707
I don't have a stance on this I'm just making fun of you because you're an obnoxious time traveller.

Pic related it's you

ᕙ(▀̿̿Ĺ̯̿̿▀̿ ̿) ᕗ <- me
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:14:54 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956716 Reply
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>>4956706
>There isn't a single major left wing party anywhere in the western world that doesn't hold mass immigration as a sacred cow

Because it's a human rights issue. Why should a big government bureaucrat tell anyone where they can or can not go without them being proven guilty of some offense which might warrant the restriction? Jorge coming over to stand on the sides of highways hawking oranges doesn't really bother me, in fact it leads to direct general welfare improvements as Jorge follows his entrepreneurial drive and tries to make something of himself in the land of the free (and, once, home of the brave, but now everyone's scared of fucking Jorge). I'm more bothered by the fuckers in Washington, D.C., telling me and Jorge that we can't cross over a line in the desert because of some retarded skittles analogy.

For what it's worth, Bernie in 2016 began his campaign arguing for greater immigration controls. Loose immigration laws are the hallmark of neoliberal parties, which are sometimes center-left, and for that reason the wider left gets accused of supporting "mass immigration" (whatever that's supposed to be, I'd figure most immigration is "mass" since material conditions usually impel >1 people to immigrate from one place to another at any given time from any given country with sufficient population). I don't know what a "Muzzie" is (isn't it that French language learning mascot?) but I get the feeling you're not really understanding the nuance of the issue. You don't get why anarchists, for example, might think borders inhibit proletarian internationalism, how there might be need in an already globalized world to fight for the goals of the international working class and not simply retreating into chauvinistic demands which only benefit the working class of our "nation", itself a suspicious concept tinged with class collaboration?
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:15:31 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956717 Reply
>>4956711
And then what? Islam magically stops being Islam? The massive amounts of migrants suddenly stop being what they are? You're trying to mend a gash without washing out the blood, gunk, and dirt to see what you're doing. As long as you ignore the presence of migrants your chances of doing anything about what facilitated their presence diminishes exponentially.

Honestly this post just looks like cowardly evading. You know it's bad, but your leftist dogma won't even allow you to say it or think it, so you prattle on with useless answers like these.
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Bubkins Jerrycurl - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:19:41 EST QmBs14Cb No.4956720 Reply
>>4956712
whether or not there is immigration, the effects of "free movement of capital across national boundaries" will always be more profitable to corporations. hence globalism and free trade, and tax havens. these are the more immediate issues to tackle, although solving certain refugee crises would also cause immigrants to not be required to flee their homeland. i could get into specifics but i've already explained why immigration isn't some terrible blight on society
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Phineas Senningstutch - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:20:53 EST ROpq0DAd No.4956721 Reply
>>4956710
>ok, i was wrong. i misidentified you - now what? what does that change, really?
Probably nothing, because you're probably going to refuse to examine why you were wrong and what it is about your thought process that led you to be so wrong, and continue to go on being wrong about things for exactly the same reason.
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Bubkins Jerrycurl - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:23:20 EST QmBs14Cb No.4956722 Reply
>>4956717
okay, so you're scared muslims. i don't really know what to tell you bro, that's really too bad. tell your representatives to stop bombing their nations
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Bernhard Schmidt - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:23:58 EST HFHUv8bS No.4956724 Reply
>>4955635

But it is the unspoken requirement of the citizenry to keep the oligarchy in check! Do we sit idly by while those in power use and abuse? Haha, just kidding. I do not know what I am talking about. To be honest, people are just lazy so nobody cares enough to put forth the effort to stop this small majority of sociopaths from manipulating everyone.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:24:40 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956725 Reply
>>4956716
If you support open borders then you can't have a functioning welfare state. It's that simple. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a verifiable fact. A state that is ensured to take care of its citizens while allowing anyone and anything to take advantage of that is simply going to altruistically self-destruct.

>You don't get why anarchists, for example, might think borders inhibit proletarian internationalism
Anarchists are fucking morons whose only historical achievements is to repeatedly be the opportunistic bitch to whatever their communist counterparts are at the time before being duly eaten by the reds the moment they've outlived their usefulness.

Proletarian internationalism is a utopian pipe fever dream the likes of which makes even Ayn fucking Rand sounds more cognizant in comparison. Working classes from diametrically opposed cultures are not going to work together because you point at someone with eight zeros in their bank account, they're going to fight each other at the behest of that walking ATM, which is exactly what's happened all throughout history and is continuing to happen.

All in all I remain convinced leftists are self-defeating retards who recognize why mass migration is bad, but will come up with a bunch of delusional reasons to avoid confronting the elephant in the room, just like you did.
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:27:23 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956726 Reply
>>4956715

k den

>>4956716

socialist when it suits you, liberal when it suits you. the incoherence of the modern pseudo-left.

>Because it's a human rights issue. Why should a big government bureaucrat tell anyone where they can or can not go without them being proven guilty of some offense which might warrant the restriction?

because we do not exist in an abstract scenario in which only the bureaucrat and the de-historicised 'anyone' exists. why should you be prevented from building a house in a public park? or a protected species' habitat?

>Jorge coming over to stand on the sides of highways hawking oranges doesn't really bother me, in fact it leads to direct general welfare improvements as Jorge follows his entrepreneurial drive and tries to make something of himself in the land of the free
>(and, once, home of the brave, but now everyone's scared of fucking Jorge). I'm more bothered by the fuckers in Washington, D.C., telling me and Jorge that we can't cross over a line in the desert because of some retarded skittles analogy.

just forget about the strain on social services, eh? the education system, the infrastructure, everything for which people are gouged, just ignore all that, because muh oranges, muh entrepreneurial spirit. good old jorge is filling someone's pockets (not you, lol) so let him be, regardless of externalised social costs.
then you have the gall to talk about neoliberalism, lmao. da joos of the nu left.

>For what it's worth, Bernie in 2016 began his campaign arguing for greater immigration controls.

and ended it calling for the abolition of ice and citizenship for all illegal immigrants. now he is so broken that he will regurgitate whatever planks the left wing brahmins in california and new york plop down his throat.

>Loose immigration laws are the hallmark of neoliberal parties, which are sometimes center-left, and for that reason the wider left gets accused of supporting "mass immigration" (whatever that's supposed to be

because you do support mass immigration, immigration in the hundreds of thousands a year for decades at a time. that is mass immigration, which you already know.
really though, whether you support or oppose it, it doesn't matter, since you're too housebroken to actually say anything about it - just look at bernie.

>I get the feeling you're not really understanding the nuance of the issue.

he says, having provided jorge the orange seller as an argument in favour of free movement. lmao.

>You don't get why anarchists, for example, might think borders inhibit proletarian internationalism, how there might be need in an already globalized world to fight for the goals of the international working class and not simply retreating into chauvinistic demands

i understand it, but i also understand that anarchists have never been a threat to capitalism, except when feeding on the successes of the marxists. calling for open borders in the context of a globalised capitalist system that has long since transcended national boundaries is, for you, suicidal.
not that you understand the nuance of these things, or that circumstances are constantly evolving. to most leftists it's still the 1920s.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:27:38 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956728 Reply
>>4956722
Tell my unaccountable representatives that are importing massive amounts of people against my will to stop bombing nations? That's really fucking cute that you think that'll work.

Also, let's bury the delusional idea that this is because of western nations' military adventurism. Nobody's bombing Equitorial Guinea. Nobody's bombing Uzbekistan. Nobody's bombing Bangladesh. This line of thinking is nothing more than an ad-hoc rationalization from someone determined to maintain their position.
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Bubkins Jerrycurl - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:30:15 EST QmBs14Cb No.4956730 Reply
>>4956728
i've never heard anyone but you complain about equatorial guinean immigrants ruining the neighborhood. i'm thoroughly impressed by the complexity of your nimbyism
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Phineas Senningstutch - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:34:19 EST ROpq0DAd No.4956734 Reply
>>4956728
The fuck does Equatorial Guinea have to do with your irrational fear of Muslims?
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:35:58 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956738 Reply
>>4956730
I'm sure you've heard about the Uzbek man who ran down a couple dozen Swedes though, despite the fact no one, especially Sweden, is bombing the country he hailed from.

But go head, ignore the point some more because you can't refute it, seems to be a popular thing to do for contemporary leftists.
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Bubkins Jerrycurl - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:37:06 EST QmBs14Cb No.4956739 Reply
>>4956738
a guy did something, so the whole country is defiled. yes, yes, this seems logical
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Yutaka Ishinabe - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:38:47 EST WxfhTaQK No.4956741 Reply
>>4956738
It's almost like people don't do these things as patriotic representatives of their entire country, or martyrs for everyone in their whole religion.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:40:34 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956744 Reply
>>4956738
Clearly the North Irish need a strong, iron curtain to protect them from the regular Irish, after all, we wouldn't want any IRA TERRORISTS sneaking! across the border. Why, there would be rivers of blood! Millions would die, man, millions! Listen to me, I'm not stark raving mad, I'm the only serious person in the room! Rivers! Rivers of blood! Rivers rRivers RiVset;jETLKjER!~
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Graham Dollyfuck - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:43:37 EST 7JXWX72I No.4956745 Reply
>>4956744
use the nuclear arsenal to physically detach the North from Ireland and seismically shift it into an extension of the British mainland

it's the only patriotic thing to do
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:46:39 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956747 Reply
>>4956736
>If one country is attracting laborers with a healthy welfare state, other countries will be forced to adopt the same welfare state or lose their labor force and watch wages increase beyond what capital can pay for them
That is not even close to how reality works. The world has more laborers than welfare states, meaning the welfare state will be driven to bankruptcy and depletion before any nation that depends on cheap exploitable labor will ever be forced to change their ways. This is happening as we fucking speak in the UK with the NHS being double teamed by the unsustainable buckling demand from mass migration and the attempts by neo liberals to chop it up for extra dough. The two are linked and for anyone like yourself to pretend otherwise is bat shit lunacy.

>There was a party for you in Germany called the National Socialist German Workers Party. It ended badly.
"Anyone that recognizes the people of the world are not, never have been, and will not be innately predisposed to jerk each other off in a Marxist kumbaya circle is a Nazi"

How very leftist of you. Not doing anything to dispel the notion that your dogma doesn't allow you to handle anything here.

>The right's emphasis on culture has pulled the wool over your eyes.
The right had no part in convincing me that importing millions of Muslims into progressive societies is a bad idea. You can keep repeating that to yourself all you want while they continue to do things like protest and demand a strike of any hint of LGBT friendly curricula from educational institutions.
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Bubkins Jerrycurl - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:48:45 EST QmBs14Cb No.4956748 Reply
>>4956746
if your homeland sucks you can always emigrate
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:49:10 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956750 Reply
>>4956739

>a guy

willful ignorance.

>>4956744

>rivers of blood

how many people have to be murdered before it counts as a river, chuckles?
how many bombings? how many stabbings? i know enough broken down old flower children to know that enoch powell was right. the same people who laughed him off 50 years ago will tell you as much two pints in.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:50:32 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956751 Reply
>>4956739
>>4956741
>>4956744
Pay attention dip shits, the argument >>4956722 spun was that Muslims are only in Western nations due to the latter bombing them. Nobody is bombing Uzbekistan, so the notion that he's a refugee, or entitled to be in Sweden out of some karmic retribution for western imperialism falls flat on its stupid face. This is not hard to understand. Keep up.
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:51:06 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956752 Reply
>>4956748

a graduate emigrating from europe? presumably to canada, america or australia. god knows your economy relies on such 'free choices,' lmao.
no thanks, burger queen.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:52:00 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956753 Reply
>>4956745
We simply must control immigration from Ireland to North Ireland, the differences in culture are just too great, it's a virtual powder keg. And besides, we wouldn't want any scrounging wasted Irishmen using our NHS. It would deplete the public's coffers! What's next, letting in the Hindoos?

>>4956746
>fallacy of fallacies, not a rebuttal

Not a formal fallacy, and not an argument.

>when every person present in a society is, by right, entitled to healthcare, housing and education, all funded by taxation, there is an obvious reason why le big government bureaucrat ought to control inflows of people

And what is that "obvious" reason?

>land is finite, these immigrants require housing

The US has not even come close to running out of usable land for housing. The cost of medicine in America is far beyond what it has to be because of unchecked corporate power in the pharmaceutical industry, which can charge health insurers whatever the hell they want because of patent monopolies protected by state fiat. Countries like Cuba achieve healthcare outcomes superior to those of the poorest US states despite it being a centrally planned economy precisely because those patent monopolies do not exist there and drugs are purchased on the international market at competitive rates. That is a separate issue, of course, but it bears repeating. The high cost of medicine and education are not the result of intrinsic, necessary, costs, they're the costs of unchecked private capitalist power, but you already know that. Even still, these are not so burdensome that poor immigrants represent a strain. The US is a powerful society and Nietzsche tells us that the powerful should tolerate even their parasites, as a sign of their own vitality.

(and, duh, the increased profits accruing to capitalists as a result of a greater exploited immigrant labor force does actually increase tax revenues if we actually tax those profits, which we do insufficiently at present.)

>this drives up the cost of housing and drives down the value of labour

Empirically neither of these are true but the US should expand public housing and we have the funds for it.

>i live on an island, retard. the arable, economically 'productive' zones of which are already overpopulated.

Overpopulation is a myth but it's unsurprising that it's a part of your worldview. The US has always excepted the Angloid menace and we'd gladly welcome you here in the deep south. You're racist enough to fit in.
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Edwin Bopperstig - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:53:48 EST VpznqkBs No.4956756 Reply
>>4956752
So you're complaining about something you can solve, while not solving it. Sounds about right. Too bad your national pride is holding you down
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:56:56 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956758 Reply
>>4956754
So the argument is going to shift now, from "Western nations are bombing their countries," to "Western nations bombed on country with the same religion,"?

Funny how amorphous and goal post shifting this line of logic always is. Almost as if it's not one at all and is just a post-fact rationalization to defend the indefensible.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 13:58:56 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956760 Reply
>>4956758
The argument didn't shift, you never understood the actual circumstances from the start, retard. Do you think Sunni Islamists are nationalists? The greatest number of ISIS fighters came from Xinjiang Province in China, they were Uighers. Sunni/Wahhabist Islamism is not a nationalist affair, and in any case the size and scopes of these attacks do not warrant the excessive security states that have been increasingly installed throughout the western world, which have deprived even citizens of their liberty and dignity.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:07:47 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956763 Reply
>>4956760
Then the argument that the west if full of Muslims due to military adventurism is impotent nonsense.

>and in any case the size and scopes of these attacks do not warrant the excessive security states that have been increasingly installed throughout the western world, which have deprived even citizens of their liberty and dignity.
Muslims don't need to attack anyone to destroy your society, they just need to vote.

>>4956761
All very good arguments for not allowing mass migration from Islamic countries at all. And yet, leftists continue to go to bat for the regressive theology anyway.
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Bubkins Jerrycurl - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:08:10 EST QmBs14Cb No.4956764 Reply
>>4956762
we keep telling you that we give a shit about people in general, we're not magically going to turn racist no matter how much you argue. maybe you should go back
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:08:21 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956765 Reply
>>4956753

>And what is that "obvious" reason?

provision of entitlements. if you can't keep track of who is where, you can't provide the services to which they are entitled.

>America america america america

i don't care about america. you have not refuted the principle of my argument, only said 'the outcomes are different where i am.' granted that you are presumably arguing from an internationalist perspective, you're doing a pisspoor job of it.
immigration serves american imperialism, that's all well and good if your surname is vanderbilt or grace, but you?
you're illustrating my point, by the way, defending capitalism via liberal arguments despite your proclaimed proletarian internationalism.

>and, duh, the increased profits accruing to capitalists as a result of a greater exploited immigrant labor force does actually increase tax revenues if we actually tax those profits, which we do insufficiently at present.

you can't, since the same principle that sustains mass immigration likewise sustains tax evasion - the increased profits accruing to capitalists enables them to capture institutions, transforming wealth into political power to ease the burden of taxation on themselves, meanwhile stashing their wealth away in overseas jurisdictions.
this is one of the functions the city of london performs internationally, to the tune of trillions, by the way.

>Empirically neither of these are true

something you feel no need to demonstrate. rents, property prices etc. have shot up in the uk while wages have either stagnated or decreased in real terms. this is because construction of new homes cannot and will not keep pace with immigration, otherwise the value of property would decrease and the incentive to build would be diminished.

>Overpopulation is a myth

*global overpopulation is a myth. regional overpopulation is a reality. i invite you to relocate to dacca and explain the contrary to the bengalis.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:09:28 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956767 Reply
>>4956762
That depends on the source of the tax. Most people in the American working class pay paltry amounts in taxes, and the vast majority of it goes to social security and medicare (which are not accessible to non-citizens), with the vast majority of what's left going to the military - mostly Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and other contractors, with far more than what goes to immigrants going to military spouses and military brats. The actual tax strain, here at least, is not from immigrants. It's from the military-industrial complex.

>almost seems like flooding the UK with lumpenproletariat scum from a foreign land was a deliberate attempt to undermine and destroy a part of the British welfare state

You're a moron if you think they wouldn't be doing that anyway, regardless of whether or not immigration was more strictly controlled, because this has been the tendency in the US for a long time. Bush built the border fence as he tore up welfare benefits. Trump is doing the same, with a wall this time. Johnson is about to give the US pharmaceutical industry a chance to rent-seek in your National Health Service, while he limits immigration.

>Nor is it an excuse to ignore what Muslim majority countries look like and continue to shove your head in the sand on that issue

I can walk into the poor part of town and see scenes that look worse than scenes from "Muslim majority countries" like Egypt, which has been developing fast since their last revolution.
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:10:39 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956768 Reply
>>4956756

emigration would not be solving anything, only making it worse for the people i care about.
you may be a floating atom, adrift in a world without rhyme or reason (an american), but i'm not.
with or without national pride, i won't leave those who raised me to fester and die in poverty so that i can make americans even richer.
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Graham Dollyfuck - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:11:57 EST 7JXWX72I No.4956769 Reply
>>4956763
Rejected asylum seekers isn't exactly allowing mass migration though is it, they literally told the guy he wasn't allowed in the country.

if you want to blame a western boogeyman then I guess blame an inefficient Swedish bureaucracy and intelligence agencies?
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:12:00 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956770 Reply
>>4956764
>we keep telling you that we give a shit about people in general
By supporting the mass importation of a religion and people with a long history of demographically conquering any nation it gets a foothold in and quickly turning them into regressive hellholes?

Funny way to give a shit. Looks to me and the LGBT people I care about that you don't give a shit and just want pats on the head from brown people.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:15:04 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956773 Reply
>>4956763
>Then the argument that the west if full of Muslims due to military adventurism is impotent nonsense.

Who made this argument?

>Muslims don't need to attack anyone to destroy your society, they just need to vote.

I could say the same about the protestants here!

>>4956764
You "care about people in general" but want to dictate where they can or can not go. Those are at odds with each other.

>>4956765
>provision of entitlements

This is not "obvious" and is not a problem. The government can account for people even as they move around. I don't have to go through border controls to move to a different state here, even though states handle welfare pay outs.

>immigration serves american imperialism

Is that so? Is that why we've built a border fence and parts of a wall between the US and Mexico? You're overstating your argument really badly.

>something you feel no need to demonstrate. rents, property prices etc

Same to you buddy. You can google scholar this shit though. The vast majority of studies show no effect or a positive effect on workers' real wages from immigration. It is not a zero sum game we're playing here. This is economics 101.

>regional overpopulation is a reality

England is not Bengal, but in any case, I'm not arguing for open borders for England alone, but open borders everywhere, which would allow for regional overpopulation to diffuse itself far easier than any border regime would.
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Edwin Bopperstig - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:15:15 EST VpznqkBs No.4956774 Reply
>>4956770
If you lived where I live you'd realize how wrong you are, and how much the media is shaping your vision of reality. Too bad
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:16:20 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956775 Reply
>>4956767
The fuck do you keep talking about your already doomed nation for when the points being presented to you are from the UK's perspective?

>I can walk into the poor part of town and see scenes that look worse than scenes from "Muslim majority countries" like Egypt, which has been developing fast since their last revolution.
Cool, I guess that's an excuse to import people who by and large would love to see the LGBT people I care about disappear.
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Phineas Senningstutch - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:17:26 EST ROpq0DAd No.4956777 Reply
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>>4956770
>a religion and people with a long history of demographically conquering any nation it gets a foothold in and quickly turning them into regressive hellholes
Oh, that's why you were complaining about Equatorial Guineans earlier!

It's the Catholics you're so afraid of. That makes a little more sense, I guess.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:18:54 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956778 Reply
>>4956775
>already doomed nation

Bro, your country is my country's little bitch. You should know more about it because we're the dominant ones, here. Your Prime Minister is going to grab his ankles while Trump fucks him and lets our pharma corporations pillage your healthcare service, because you wanted to "control immigration". It's fucking hilarious.

>Cool, I guess that's an excuse to import people who by and large would love to see the LGBT people I care about disappear.

Dude, your country chemically castrated the founder of digital computer science, Alan Turing, because he was gay. That is in living memory. If you think western societies don't themselves have a homophobic tension, then you are the most ignorant person on this board, and that's an accomplishment.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:23:29 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956781 Reply
>>4956774
I don't give any flying fucks where you lay your shit for brains at night, I care that my country is being flooded by violent regressive fundamentalist shit heads and the leftists who should know better cheer for it because their retarded dogma tells them to worship anything with melanin.

>>4956773
Leftists make it all the time when discussing the reason why the west is being flooded with Islamic migration comes up and it's never anything but reflexive and reactionary self loathing to justify the unjustifiable. >>4956722 made that exact argument.

>I could say the same about the protestants here!
You very well could. Is that an excuse to voluntarily import an even worse version of it and make the whole situation worse for everyone?
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:24:25 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956782 Reply
>>4956777
Try to stay on topic. I know that's hard for a leftist retard, but I have faith you can.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:28:37 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956785 Reply
>>4956781
He did not make the argument you're attributing to him. The argument is that terrorists make western nations their targets because western nations initiated the aggression, which is true. Western nations via NATO have been interfering in the Middle East, and this even precedes NATO (the UK's job in drawing the borders of the middle east will live in infamy forever).

>Is that an excuse to voluntarily import an even worse version of it and make the whole situation worse for everyone?

Why is the implication here that we're importing exclusively Sunni jihadists? More people in America were killed by pimp mass shooters and cops (separately!) than by Jihadists since 9/11. Should you impose a restriction on the immigration of Americans who haven't had sex in the last year?
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:32:14 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956789 Reply
>>4956785
>He did not make the argument you're attributing to him. The argument is that terrorists make western nations their targets because western nations initiated the aggression, which is true. Western nations via NATO have been interfering in the Middle East, and this even precedes NATO (the UK's job in drawing the borders of the middle east will live in infamy forever).
What did Sweden do to Uzbekistan then?

>America
I don't give a shit about your backwards country that's already balkanizing.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:34:01 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956791 Reply
>>4956787
See, leftists are nothing but cowards on this topic.
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:34:29 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956792 Reply
>>4956773

>This is not "obvious"

maybe not to "you."

>The government can account for people even as they move around. I don't have to go through border controls to move to a different state here, even though states handle welfare pay outs.

presumably because you have an overarching federal authority, the records of which state governments would have access to, providing that american govt functions with a bare minimum of rationality.

>Is that why we've built a border fence and parts of a wall between the US and Mexico?

yes. border fence allowed the bush admin to pretend they were 'doing something,' when in reality all it did was allow them to institutionalise mass immigration with certain minimal controls, while enserfing millions of mestizos to the lotus eating agriculturalists in california et al.

>You can google scholar this shit though. The vast majority of studies show no effect or a positive effect on workers' real wages from immigration.

not according to the bank of england's statistics.

>It is not a zero sum game we're playing here.

true, in boom times. in times of stagnation it very much is, and you're arguing with the consequences of that atm.

>England is not Bengal

and it isn't america, either. in terms of population problems it resembles bengal more closely than it does the united states.

>I'm not arguing for open borders for England alone, but open borders everywhere, which would allow for regional overpopulation to diffuse itself far easier than any border regime would.

exactly my point. you push for the maximum, knowing somewhere in your heart that it means you will never get anywhere at all, while seeming very pious and grown up. each discrete, limited demand you could make towards this maximum would fuck you bloody if you actually had your way and so you don't bother with that shit. you lot never change, lenin was right about that much.
i get that you want to 'kick against the pricks' in the shithole town you grew up in, but southern anarchist rhymes with russian nazi.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:38:21 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956794 Reply
>>4956790
Pray tell, how exactly were the neo liberals going to sell their policies to the British public without giving the public a very good reason to want that reform? They couldn't and wouldn't do it without an impetus, and mass migration gave it to them. As usual, leftist can see a 2, but can't put it together with the other 2 to save his fucking life.

>It's not just "in the past", countries and civilizations go through waves of tolerance and intolerance. This isn't just in the past, it's in living memory. Canada was testing government officials for whether or not they were gay in the 70s. In the US, sodomy laws were enforced up until 2003. There is nothing in western cultures that is inherently pro-LGBT, anymore than there is in Pakistan (where there is a legally recognized third gender, and also Sunni terrorists) or in Russia (where homosexuality flourished in the post-revolutionary period until Stalin re-criminalized it).
Neat, and yet none of that is an excuse for mass Islamic migration. If anything that reinforces the idea that we should have none of it, to try and keep what progressive values we have going at the moment alive instead of throwing them away because leftists have a compulsion to jerk off at anything with melanin.
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Phineas Senningstutch - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:38:27 EST ROpq0DAd No.4956795 Reply
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>>4956791
I agree, my fellow leftists have been far to silent for far too long about the demographic thread from the savage Anglican menace.

Send them back where they came from, I say!
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:41:57 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956796 Reply
>>4956792
>maybe not to "you."

Not to anyone because there's no basis for it.

>providing that american govt functions with a bare minimum of rationality

Lol, no, it's just not the central problem, and it certainly wouldn't be a problem in a government where the distribution is centralized.

>all it did was allow them to institutionalise mass immigration with certain minimal controls

Tell that to everyone who got deported, and to all the families separated at the border since then. Yes, the migrant labor is a great source of surplus value for agricultural corps in the southwest and California, but this is a sizable tax base which generates more revenue than it uses up.

>not according to the bank of england's statistics.

The BoE's statistics gave a small negative impact on low-wage workers and a greater positive impact on higher earners, including the "middle class", which is the tax base. The perils of the mixed economy are not related to strains on the welfare state but strains on profitability, which increased immigration improves (in the short term). Ultimately, every capitalist economy is tending toward crisis, you're not going to get an argument from me that any welfare state/mixed economy is any more sustainable than a pure market-driven hellscape. Ultimately we need a planned economy and ultimately that requires proletarian internationalism, the unity of the global working class against those who seek to continue the decadent capitalist class society.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:47:19 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956799 Reply
>>4956794
>none of that is an excuse for mass Islamic migration

Who is arguing for "mass Islamic migration"?

>If anything that reinforces the idea that we should have none of it

No, it means democratic societies are constantly at a tension with reactionary forces from within, which it could always fall victim to. The reactionary forces from within, of course, would like for us to focus on the reactionary forces from outside, and make us so concerned with them that we ignore their stealth takeover. The evangelicals in America speak in the same way you speak of Muslims. "Progressive values" are something you have to fight for, continuously. Immigration controls do not prevent the decay of them.

>They couldn't and wouldn't do it without an impetus, and mass migration gave it to them

Mass migration wasn't the sold cause of the decline of the welfare state in the US or in the UK. The cuts began along with the loosening of immigration laws. Mitterand cut the welfare state and imported workers from France's former colonies, at the same time, because the neoliberals aren't just evil and want to cut welfare to hurt people, these policies share one thing in common: they increase profitability of capital, one by reducing the tax burden, and the other by generating a more disciplined and more highly exploitable workforce. But the fact that the neoliberals have used this policy for bad does not mean the policy itself is bad.
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Graham Dollyfuck - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:48:17 EST 7JXWX72I No.4956802 Reply
>>4956793
his specific justification was to end the Swedish military's training mission in Iraq that was helping to fight the Islamic State, they have troops on the ground
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:49:06 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956803 Reply
>>4956797
>why is anyone obliged to take his grievance into consideration?

I don't even know what you're trying to ask here it's so incoherent. But why should someone disconnected from that in Uzbekistan, some dude who just wants to get the fuck out and live somewhere else, be subject to restraints on his travel because some other dude from Uzbekistan was a dickhead and did some bad shit?
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:50:54 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956805 Reply
>>4956793
> It's not Sweden vs Uzbekistan, it's a NATO member vs an aggrieved Sunni militant who identifies with the struggles of other Sunnis in other countries. We're not dealing here with nationalist gripes.
Then why do leftists continue to use the "Stop bombing their countries," non-sequitur when this topic comes up if any perceived slight against any country is justification enough for one of these retards to lash out? Bin Laden turned on the US simply because it helped SA against Saddam, that's all it took. Seems to me this line of logic is nothing but leftist appeasement because they don't have the spine to oppose anything Islam does.

>Dude, this is going to be really funny to look back on when Scotland gets independence and Sinn Fein institutes their 32 county socialist republic.
Scotland is already its own nation with its own people. The UK is a union of nations, not just one. The UK fracturing also doesn't mean your doomed country isn't fraying at every seam.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:54:31 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956807 Reply
>>4956805
Because the specific instances of "mass Muslim immigration" were directly caused by western intervention (and consequent prolonging) of civil wars and Jihadist revolts in the Arab world in the last decade? Libya and Syria stand out here because the intervention was overt and it generated a mass exodus of refugees that sparked right-wing cultural revanchists to sound the alarm.

>leftist appeasement because they don't have the spine to oppose anything Islam does

Lmao, I literally campaign for the release of an anarchist political prisoner in Iran. I have nothing but disrespect for religious reactionaries of any variety. I also recognize that the conservative forces attacking them have their own interests which are not identical to my own.

>The UK is a union of nations, not just one

That's what Yugoslavia and the USSR said too. Haven't checked up on them in a while.
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:57:15 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956808 Reply
>>4956796

>Not to anyone because there's no basis for it.

'nuh uh!'

>Tell that to everyone who got deported, and to all the families separated at the border since then.

ok

>Yes, the migrant labor is a great source of surplus value for agricultural corps in the southwest and California, but this is a sizable tax base which generates more revenue than it uses up.

the legal ones, perhaps. the rest? not really. they generate much wealth for their bosses, not so much for you, bootlick.

>The BoE's statistics gave a small negative impact on low-wage workers and a greater positive impact on higher earners, including the "middle class", which is the tax base

guess which is growing and which is contracting. guess which is immigrating and which is emigrating.

>The perils of the mixed economy are not related to strains on the welfare state but strains on profitability, which increased immigration improves (in the short term).

increased profitability is irrelevant when the highest earning corporations can evade taxation and the petit bourgeois find that any increase in profits are gouged out of them by taxation to subsidise the growing ranks of the un- or under-employed, their use of health services, infrastructure, housing, etc.

>Ultimately we need a planned economy and ultimately that requires proletarian internationalism, the unity of the global working class against those who seek to continue the decadent capitalist class society.

which cannot even begin to be built when the 'proletarian internationalists' deliberately create the circumstances for ethnic strife wherever they have even fringe influence. as i've said, you make maximum demands to avoid minimal outcomes. repeating uselessly 'what we need' has no bearing on what we get.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:57:41 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956810 Reply
>>4956799
>Who is arguing for "mass Islamic migration"?
Every major left wing party in the western world de facto supports it.

>No, it means democratic societies are constantly at a tension with reactionary forces from within...
Fuck off. The "reactionary forces from within," are only being entertained at all due to the very obvious existence of those from without flooding into western nations. The alt-right wouldn't even exist if leftists weren't so set on importing everything and everyone for the sake of self-aggrandizing ego stroking bullshit. And again, none of that is a worthwhile excuse to import more of the problem that just makes it all worse.

> The cuts began along with the loosening of immigration laws
>they increase profitability of capital, one by reducing the tax burden, and the other by generating a more disciplined and more highly exploitable workforce
So close to recognizing the problem. So very close.

>But the fact that the neoliberals have used this policy for bad does not mean the policy itself is bad.
And then you drop it. "The policies neoliberals support to drive down wages, pit working classes against each other, and subvert the welfare apparatus aren't bad, they're just bad when they do it!"

L-O-Fucking-L
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:01:04 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956811 Reply
>>4956803

abstract people do not exist, and we do not know the minds of others. i cannot be sure that 'some guy' from uzbekistan is what he says he is, believes what he says he believes, etc.
given the risks, given the negligible-to-nil benefits to me, given the burden he brings and the effort i will be obliged to undertake in order to 'integrate' him, i would rather he stayed where he was. can you give me a reason why i shouldn't?

as for the first part of your post - swedes victimised by foreign terrorists are not obliged to adapt themselves to said terrorists' worldview, thereby legitimising it. if you bend for others they're liable to see how far they can twist you before you snap.
has little bearing on the conversation, just a point about morale.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:04:03 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956813 Reply
>>4956808
>they generate much wealth for their bosses, not so much for you, bootlick.

The profits are taxed and go into the general fund. Again, the biggest waste of my tax dollars is not Jorge the fruit seller, or his brother Jesus the loafer, but Laura the military spouse and her son Jaeyden, and her daughter McKayleigh. Even bigger than those, though, are the people who stock the Pentagon, Boeing, Exxon, and the other components of the military-industrial complex. When you get down to the raw numbers, expenses on illegal immigrants are dwarfed by almost every budget item (I'm sure the Bureau of Indian Affairs for example is chronically underfunded but that will not change if we restrict every non-white person from immigrating). I don't know how I'm a bootlicker for not wanting to police where people go but I'm sure there's some esoteric mental gymnastics you can do to justify that claim.

>guess which is growing and which is contracting. guess which is immigrating and which is emigrating.

Yeah, Brexit's been tough, but Britannia rules the waves or something.

>increased profitability is irrelevant when the highest earning corporations can evade taxation

Yeah, if you just take that as a given, all hope is lost, right? Maybe we should re-examine our political assumptions here though and not bow to Thatcherite There is No Alternative nonsense.

>cannot even begin to be built when the 'proletarian internationalists' deliberately create the circumstances for ethnic strife

This is just the usual conservative pablum about how cultural differences are too great to ever allow any expressions of unity but I live in a multi-ethnic society and we're not plagued with racial violence (anymore) and the cause of that was never simply that people of different ethnicities got together in one place, or else there would be no social stability to speak of.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:07:43 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956814 Reply
>>4956807
>Because the specific instances of "mass Muslim immigration" were directly caused by western intervention
Sounds like more leftist appeasement. They didn't need excuses to flood India, or Myanmar, or Sub-Saharan Africa, or Central Asia. They go where they want because their religion is belligerent and your inculcated self loathing has you scrambling for any reason to blame westerners for being subjected to the same shit anyone has when suffering Islamic migration.

>I literally campaign for the release of an anarchist political prisoner in Iran
I'm sure you don't do that for your own ego stroking bullshit and actually think that is actually going to happen anymore than Free Tibet! faggots think their goal is remotely practical.

>I have nothing but disrespect for religious reactionaries of any variety
You make a lot of excuses for an entire religion composed of the worst varieties of those things for someone that professes this.

> I also recognize that the conservative forces attacking them have their own interests which are not identical to my own.
Those people only exist and are only gaining power because leftists like you dropped the ball so hard. The alt-right is flat out fucking telling you how to make them irrelevant, but you won't do it because melanin is holy and Islam is now a leftist sacred cow.

>That's what Yugoslavia and the USSR said too. Haven't checked up on them in a while.
True, but de facto nations and de jure nations have no difference. The US isn't one united country anymore and hasn't been for a long time. Not ethnically. Not politically. Not by denomination. Not by economics. It's coming apart at the seams and the only way you'll ever hold any of it together in the next couple decades is by turning it into a miserable authoritarian hellhole.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:09:45 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956815 Reply
>>4956810
>The alt-right wouldn't even exist if leftists weren't so set on importing everything and everyone for the sake of self-aggrandizing ego stroking bullshit

You really think the "alt-right" is just a reaction to leftism? Because that's incredible that you think that. Racism has been dominant in American society since day one. It's not the existence of anti-racists that impels it. Bernie Sanders calling open borders a "Koch brothers plot" did not cause the racists to flock to him. You misunderstand the material origins of racism profoundly and fall into the same conservative cliches and then you have the gall to pretend like you have any concern for left-wing causes like the workers' movement, unaware apparently that this movement has always been international, that in its most conscious days was organized into an international workingmen's organization.

>So close to recognizing the problem. So very close.

Yes, the problem is capitalist society, and fortunately, we can have open borders and the abolition of capitalist society. You're the one failing to keep up here.

>The policies neoliberals support to drive down wages, pit working classes against each other, and subvert the welfare apparatus aren't bad, they're just bad when they do it

The policy of allowing people to enter and leave your country without bureaucratic hassle is not even "de facto" a policy of any of that unless you assume that the current economic are static and immutable, that there is no alternative to the market and etc., but that's the logic of neoliberalism.

>>4956811
>abstract people do not exist, and we do not know the minds of others. i cannot be sure that 'some guy' from uzbekistan is what he says he is, believes what he says he believes, etc.

These aren't abstract people. You're preventing actual people from coming and going on the basis of the actions of someone abstractly connected to them, e.g., "given the burden he brings", assuming that he carries one because someone from the same geographic area was a burden.

>swedes victimised by foreign terrorists are not obliged to adapt themselves to said terrorists' worldview

Okay? Who's saying they have to adapt themselves to a worldview?
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Lillian Sollykare - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:14:55 EST eeOcTeLB No.4956820 Reply
>>4956689
>i come from the uk, where immigrant mafias terrorise entire towns and receive protection from their coethnics in the municipal authorities
Britbonger here, this is not a real problem that anybody deals with

>>4956759
>The NHS's problem is that you keep electing people who have no interest in funding it through higher taxes (especially on the parasitic finance industry) because they appeal to your culturally conditioned nationalist impulses.
This, however, is a problem, and it sucks :(
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:18:45 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956823 Reply
>>4956813

>the general fund

used for particular purposes, you fucking moron. you say so yourself! two wastes of tax money do not cancel out the fact that both are a waste of your money, and you defend one on the grounds that another is larger!
the same people who benefit from immigration are the ones who are directing your taxes towards the military, it empowers them, fuckwit, it doesn't make it easier to change things, the opposite is true - and in any case, i thought the strong were supposed to support parasites as a gesture of magnanimity?

>I don't know how I'm a bootlicker for not wanting to police where people go but I'm sure there's some esoteric mental gymnastics you can do to justify that claim.

you let others walk all over you, and justify it to yourself by saying 'at least they're not wearing hobnailed boots like that other guy.'

>Yeah, Brexit's been tough, but Britannia rules the waves or something.

was happening long before brexit, chuckles. was one of the reasons why brexit is happening, lmao.
also johnson isn't restricting immigration, he's introducing visa free travel for skilled workers, which means sucking up the brightest minds of the third world and waiting five years for millions of sick, starving, uneducated peasants to follow the money north. big brain ally kemal, pretty patel and poor oppressed sajid javid strike again.

>Maybe we should re-examine our political assumptions here though and not bow to Thatcherite There is No Alternative nonsense.

that is what we are doing. it isn't turning out the way that you'd prefer.
playing punch and judy has gotten stale. sick of you lot monopolising 'the alternative' so you can look good while you fuck things up and play sock puppet for minority identitarians, like the eminently unserious people you are.

>This is just the usual conservative pablum about how cultural differences are too great to ever allow any expressions of unity but I live in a multi-ethnic society and we're not plagued with racial violence

i live in a multi-ethnic society and we're plagued with racial violence. 'horrific betrayal' etc.
america is plagued with racial violence, by the way. you just don't report on it, because it would spook the herd and fracture the gooey, sing-song image of cool bros hanging out with occasionally evil white racists that the coastal media machine projects internationally.

http://www.startribune.com/black-on-white-crime-in-america/223696071/

>While most violent crime is indeed intrarracial, 26.7 percent of homicides where the victim is a stranger are interracial. And in 2008, the offending rate for blacks (24.7 offenders per 100,000) was seven times higher than the rate for whites (3.4 offenders per 100,000), according to the latest figures from the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS).
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:20:36 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956824 Reply
>>4956815
I don't give a fuck about your backwards shit kicker country, so stop bringing it up. The rise of the alt-right in Europe is very clearly predicated on the failure of leftist and neo liberal parties to enact even the basest of fundamental measure to prevent mass migration. Conservatives do and say a lot of stupid shit, but acknowledging that you'll never get everyone in the world to join hands and sing together by waving a red flag in their face is definitely not one of them.

Your international proletarianism is Objectivist tier lunacy that has no basis in historical fact, nor in the basest observations of human nature. Humans are innately tribalistic, especially when they have little means and are forced to compete with others for finite resources, which is exactly what your open borders bullshit facilitates.

The neo liberals slip this nonsensical bullshit into your echo chamber education (while selling you on the idea of spending a small fortune for the privilege) so that you actually believe you're helping working classes of the world by putting them all in one big pen and forcing them to fight for resources, all while the captains of industry laugh their fucking asses off at the sheer flat-brained naivete of people like you who do everything they ask while thinking you're doing the opposite.
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:22:11 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956827 Reply
>>4956821

>pol

kc-tier akshully
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:23:23 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956828 Reply
>>4956817
>And yet your country is my country's bitch.
That's not a refutation to the fact your nation is falling apart on every single measurable quotient, that's an acknowledgement that your nation is a neo liberal shit hole ruining other nations.

>This is pure idealism and also applies to Christian societies
The difference is I don't make excuses for Christian fundies like leftists do for those of the Islamic variety.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:25:49 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956831 Reply
>>4956823
>two wastes of tax money do not cancel out the fact that both are a waste of your money

I'm not opposed to spending on non-citizen residents because I don't identify it as a waste to make sure Jorge doesn't have to start selling dope instead of oranges, or that McKayleigh can get her teeth fixed on my dime on the air force base. I do have a problem, though, with the money that goes to Boeing and etc., and fortunately I don't have to sacrifice my ethic of not wanting the government to tell me where I can or can not go on that issue. In fact, the military-industrial complex very obviously benefits from a militarized border, which will never actually make the possibility of crime more negligible than it already is.

>you let others walk all over you

Who? Jorge? No man, he can use the help, and I'm happy to give it to him, because I don't think a society as wealthy as my own should have anyone having to resort to gang shit to get by.

>that is what we are doing. it isn't turning out the way that you'd prefer.

Not really though. The basic foundations of the British economy are unchanged, it just has more regulatory autonomy now, and it can wait for the US and EU to fuck them over with trade deals and force the British economy to go through a painful period of restructuring. Glad to hear about the renationalization of British rail though.

>i live in a multi-ethnic society and we're plagued with racial violence. 'horrific betrayal' etc.

The UK is literally less violent than we are so either you're full of shit or you're a massive coward. Muh crime stats though, literally Breitbart tier talking points used to justify police violence in the states.
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Thomas Keller - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:27:02 EST D9u3LG88 No.4956833 Reply
>>4956830
Lmao you got btfo by a fucking bot yesterday and yet you're still here.
mentally deranged
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:29:47 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956834 Reply
>>4956828
>That's not a refutation to the fact your nation is falling apart on every single measurable quotient

Literally the same measures are flagging in your country, at worse rates. Social stability in the US has never been better despite the cultural and political division. What we're experiencing is nothing compared to the pre-civil war era, the post-reconstruction era, the gilded ages, the civil rights movement, and etc. You're projecting your own shit show onto ours.

>>4956824
>Your international proletarianism is Objectivist tier lunacy that has no basis in historical fact

You don't know shit about history and lean on retarded vague cliches like "humans are innately tribalistic" to justify your own xenophobia. "Oh, well, they're xenophobic too!" Idgaf.
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Edwin Bopperstig - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:34:09 EST VpznqkBs No.4956837 Reply
>>4956833
Word, he already called NJ a libtard, I wonder who his scapegoat js
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:40:53 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956839 Reply
>>4956834
>Social stability in the US has never been better despite the cultural and political division. What we're experiencing is nothing compared to the pre-civil war era, the post-reconstruction era, the gilded ages, the civil rights movement, and etc
You have people attacking each other in street brawls in broad daylight. You have dudes murdering their neighbors over that political divide. Your elected representatives are in a state of de facto ideological war with each other and every shot they take chips away the legitimacy of your govt. One of your parties can't even run basic vote counting and the other is lapping up everything the president tells them. Your debt crisis, opioid addiction rates, climbing suicide rates, gun violence, etc, is painting a very different picture. You have leftist morons attempting to firebomb occupied ICE detention facilities or shooting at congressmen. Your higher education is turning into nothing more than a glorified babysitting racket. Your infrastructure is literally falling apart.

Your nation is doomed. Every election since Bush senior has shown a calcifying and permanent political and ethnic divide in your nation that is only widening and accelerating.

>You don't know shit about history and lean on retarded vague cliches like "humans are innately tribalistic" to justify your own xenophobia. "Oh, well, they're xenophobic too!" Idgaf.
You're free to point to any instance in human history where two wildly different groups from opposite ends of the globe were mashed together against their will and instead of fight each other they banded together to topple their oppressors and subsequently build a lasting peace.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:50:36 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956846 Reply
>>4956840
>which is why you are not worth taking into consideration

And yet you wrote that whole line of texts dude.

>or america is plagued with racial violence, and you've just become used to it, having been taught it's normal or that it's because whitey bad.

I mean, if you think these rates of violence are brutal, wait til you see even racially homogeneous societies a century ago. Rates of violence across the world have declined. In my own hometown they are half of what they were when I was born. Racial animosity and dissension still exists but it's not resulting in race riots anymore. What's been normalized is race mixing, which terrifies racists so much they have to pretend crime stats justify their continued racism and desire for racial stratification.

>police are cunts, certainly, but only because they keep the boot on your throat and prevent you from defending yourself from the ethnic trash

See what I mean? I like Skrewdriver's first album too but this is ridiculous!
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:55:43 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956848 Reply
>>4956843
>This is so insanely loaded and obviously disconnected from what's being talked about that I don't think it warrants anything other than further sneering condescension from me
That's what I thought. No examples, because there aren't any and you know your idea of international proletarianism is nothing more than hypothetical bullshit with no basis in reality anymore than Randian screeds are.

The rest of your post looks like an campaign advertisement for Trump. Lol.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:56:33 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956849 Reply
>>4956847
Not sure what you're trying to imply. The drug war did intensify criminal violence, and criminal justice reform instituted by states and at the federal level has contributed to decreasing this violence, to the point that marijuana is legal for about half the population and that incarceration rates and violent crime have been on the decline for several years now (crime rates have been decreasing for decades though since they peaked in the early 90s).
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 16:02:09 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956853 Reply
>>4956849

i'm sure 'overpolicing' had no effect on this decrease, even where it is generally acknowledged that it did - new york springs to mind. correct me if i'm wrong, this point is really ancillary to the main line of the argument, which was immigration.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 16:08:30 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956856 Reply
>>4956853
The crime problem was a direct result of the police and reactionary legislatures increasing the stakes. None of it was a necessary response to a drug problem spiraling out of control (nor is policing an actually effective way to respond to drug problems in society).

It's tangential to the immigration issue, because policing of the border is justified on the same grounds. We have to prevent crime, prevent terrorism, and of course criminals and terrorists keep finding ways to slip through the cracks, so we need more border control and police to prevent crime, prevent terrorism, and on and on we go, until we're the DPRK and we need a propiska to live in the city because we have to watch out for the foreign menace. I'll take my chances without the public safety state watching over me with love and grace. We have a saying in America, comes from Ben Franklin, a noble Angloid if there ever was one: "Those who would give up their liberty for their security deserve neither".
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 16:34:11 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956873 Reply
>>4956865
I'm as opposed to that legislation as I am to the issues I've been touching on here. And "my comrades" include Noam Chomsky who (in)famously stood up for a French holocaust denialist when leftists and conservatives were pushing to have him fired.

>the controlled dialectic

Everything you're talking about here is strained and misunderstands as causal/deterministic what are parallel processes with far more complicated causes than you're presenting. Now you drop the Infowars school of Hegel studies into this and tell me everything I need to know about your political education. Kantbot gets dialectics better than you do.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 16:34:50 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956874 Reply
>>4956850
Neither of those things are real life examples of what I asked for anymore than a G8 conference is.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 16:36:16 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956875 Reply
>>4956874
Because what you asked for isn't what's being talked about to begin with with regards to immigration, it's your distorted depiction of the events in service of a political agenda in which your conclusions are embedded in the premises. Retard.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 16:42:52 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956885 Reply
>>4956873
Then you're a moron because that legislation is the only way to make your pie in the sky bullshit remotely tenable. If you introduce millions of foreigners the resulting ethnic conflict will either split the country apart, or you go full authoritarian to forcibly hold it together. There's no in between.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 16:49:29 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956889 Reply
>>4956886
Again, you give me premises in which your conclusion is embedded.
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 16:51:28 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956890 Reply
>>4956873

>I'm as opposed to that legislation as I am to the issues I've been touching on here

then it's a shame you don't voice that opposition as chomsky did.

>Everything you're talking about here is strained and misunderstands as causal/deterministic what are parallel processes with far more complicated causes than you're presenting.

then address those causes rather than dissolving them into complexity.

>Hegel

i wasn't referring to hegelian dialectics, which i freely admit i don't grasp, since i've never tried to, i was referring to a more conventional sort of argument between two opposite poles. my language was pretentious, but it is a controlled discussion, the boundaries of which are taken for granted.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 17:10:23 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956899 Reply
>>4956895
Just as easily as we can find population groups coming together and attacking each other can we find population groups coming together and aggregating their shit and working together. Even if the latter is more rare, there are plenty of historical sources of hope that our instinct for cooperation can overcome our instinct of competition, and certainly every cooperative social organization (every society) already represents a fundamental overcoming of the instinct for competition. And certainly this is what we have to do. Even if people would like to stick to their own selves, we're heading for imperialist war and annihilation by continuing the course of capitalist development. If the international proletariat doesn't clinch it, we're all fucked.

>in a democratic nation where the mutual differences manifest as demographic exclusive patronage, where parties simply become a demographic head count?

See, you keep embedding the conclusions in the premises. This is how the party system works here because the United States is not a democratic society to begin with. We are a dysfunctional democracy at best, in which those behaviors are enabled by anti-democratic institutions (like the Democratic National Committee) that are embedded within the system to override its potentially democratic aspects. Then there's the usually recognized farce of people denoting a system in which you cast a ballot every other year as a "democracy".
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Michael Symon - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 17:11:12 EST SBCmgYVf No.4956900 Reply
>>4956892

>You don't know me or what I do.

what do you do, out of interest?

>Capitalist class society generates these contradictions and their overcoming is only possible through the overcoming of capitalist class society.

or by the collapse of that society and its succession by something worse.

>increased immigration (which "disciplined" labor markets, preventing wage gains from squeezing profits, and supplying a labor force which will tolerate a higher rate of exploitation). There is nothing that follows from this that makes border control desirable.

you just said it yourself.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 17:13:05 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956901 Reply
>>4956896
>are the interests of immigrant workers and native workers identical?

Yes, and the interests of American workers and workers in the UK are the same, which is the overthrow of the capitalist class and the seizure of power by the international proletariat, overcoming capitalist crises and the wars and social dislocations they cause, and wielding the means of production in common to achieve well-being for all.
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Bubkins Jerrycurl - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 17:13:50 EST QmBs14Cb No.4956902 Reply
>>4956895
>the islamic conquests of india
were spurred by british colonialists who pioneered the current model of supporting extremism in efforts to drive a wedge between differing nations within a single state

>what makes you think for a single fucking moment that you can throw all those groups together and not have a repeat of the same
come to america, the government is increasingly fascistic, but only at the behest of popular opinion. in fact, during economic downturns, immigrant communities often avoid the negative effects of globalism due to their insularity, because they don't depend on walmart tier multinationals to survive.

>i have a lot more evidence for my assertion than you
not listening to your opposition isn't the same as being correct. even if you were 51% correct, massive nations with 100 million+ citizens aren't going to follow the exact same patterns. you've already decided what your version of truth is and it fails to examine huge variables out of nationalistic pride
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 17:23:00 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956905 Reply
>>4956904
You wouldn't know a platitude from a platypus or dialectics from dianetics.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 17:26:59 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956907 Reply
>>4956899
>can we find population groups coming together and aggregating their shit and working together
Voluntarily, yes, not when one of them has been forced to cohabitate with the other against their will, especially when the other group has no shortage of people who are violently antagonistic. You still haven't given me any examples.

>If the international proletariat doesn't clinch it, we're all fucked.
That was a pipe dream in the best of times, and now it's never going to happen because forced mass migration destroyed any good will and leftists like you have handed right wing regressives all the talking points they will ever need to keep getting elected because they're the only ones speaking a fundamental truth that you bury under misguided and frankly childish notions of hope to the contrary despite all the overwhelming evidence stacked against them.

You flat out admit competition is in fact instinct after having told me my assertion of innate tribalism is wrong, which just tells me you know it isn't wrong, it's just an inconvenient fact you'd sooner like to pretend doesn't exist to maintain your world view despite all the overwhelming evidence that contradicts it.

>>4956901
>which is the overthrow of the capitalist class and the seizure of power by the international proletariat
Why would American or British working classes throw off the yoke of economic oppressors just to give away the gains to anyone who asks for it and did nothing to facilitate those gains? Do you honestly think, should the Chinese working class do away with their oppressors, that they will suddenly have the notion to invite millions of Americans, Brazilians, Russians, etc, to come reap the benefits they bled for?
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 17:35:02 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956911 Reply
>>4956907
>Voluntarily, yes, not when one of them has been forced to cohabitate with the other against their will

See, this is what I mean by conclusions embedded in premises. Nobody here is arguing directly for what you're describing. An open borders regime does not require the introduction of people who don't want to be here, and immigration already implies that one party does want the other to be here. And that's to say nothing about the contradictions within the populations, how they can't be viewed as political monoliths with a singular desire for xenophobia or openness. No one can give you any examples because your restraints remove any possibility of the cooperation we're advocating, since cooperation presupposes parties willing to cooperate, and you deny that possibility outright, because you've decided that humans form ethnic groups which are mutually hostile, even though things are far more complicated than your narrative allows, with plenty of examples in history of people deciding to cooperate.

>forced mass migration destroyed any good will

I don't share your pessimism.

>You flat out admit competition is in fact instinct

As well as cooperation. Humans are not innately this and exclusively this. We're animals with an inborn need to cooperate, who can't survive without cooperating. Instinct can be overridden, that's kind of what the whole civilizing process was about, getting ourselves to stop being nomadic hunter-gatherers and forcing upon ourselves a settled mode of living despite it not going along with the last 200,000 years of our development as a species. The existence of wars between pre-modern (and even modern) populations does not imply that a global peace is impossible anymore than the existence of cooperation between population groups implies a global peace is inevitable.

>Why would American or British working classes throw off the yoke of economic oppressors just to give away the gains to anyone who asks for it and did nothing to facilitate those gains?

Because the revolution is necessarily international and will not survive without capitulation to the international capitalist order without the assistance of the workers from other nations, which makes international cooperation between working classes of various countries imperative. The working classes of these countries can't fight alone, they have to fight united, and the history of the workers movement provides plenty of examples of this, from the first international, to the International Brigades, to the unfortunately failed revolutions of 1918, and so on and so forth.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 17:39:08 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956914 Reply
>>4956910
>it is beyond the point where the international proletariat can clinch anything

This is defeatism, followed by TINA thought

>keeping to their own selves, however brutal the organisation, may be the only means of surviving ecological catastrophe

I'm not a democratic confederalist, but that's at least one model which gives you ethnic autonomy within a democratic and cooperative and intercommunal framework. A pessimistic vision is something to acquiesce to, but that's the mode of an enervated spirit. The ecological collapse can be prevented and it's worth fighting to prevent it.
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Edwin Bopperstig - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 17:55:15 EST VpznqkBs No.4956922 Reply
What the fuck did I tell y'all, ignore this white supremacists chumps, they'll literally never stop whining if you keep engaging them
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 17:55:41 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956923 Reply
>>4956919
Again we're assuming "nations" as monolithic political entities that have no internal contradictions and which can have things like beliefs attributed to them. When I make fun of "angloids" it's not because I think there's actually an Anglo nation comprising all Anglo people who are all instances of their own Anglo race from which I can infer things about individuals that are true of the general.

>You're evading

I'm not evading anything, I've told you outright that I'm not advocating what you're imagining. You base your whole worldview on this retarded black pill kinda shit you gleaned from reading international image boards, where ethnic conflict becomes an inevitability because of a variety of thought terminating cliches and pessimistic/nihilistic impulses.

>Working classes absolutely can throw off their oppressors in any given nation, they have in the passed

I'm glad you used the example of Chinese workers because Chinese workers are constantly fighting with CP bureaucrats and the CP-affiliated trade unions, and China is obviously a class society. Even Cuba, with its mostly planned economy, has capitulated in many areas to the demands of the international market. It has to, to survive. But Cuba is at least still a sponsor of revolutionary internationalism.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:06:46 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956929 Reply
>>4956923
>Again we're assuming "nations" as monolithic political entities...
If you can't get a bunch of people who live in the same place, share the same history, language, culture, customs, etc, to agree on what the future is supposed to look like, what snowball's chance in hell do you think importing millions of people from across the globe is going to do? You can't act like people who have a hell of a lot more in common with each other than someone halfway across the world can't become a political monolith and then in the next breath tell me international proletarianism is a remotely viable thing. It's an inherently contradictory thought process.

>I'm not evading anything, I've told you outright that I'm not advocating what you're imagining
You're making excuses for it and trying to substitute your laughably unworkable concept as an alternative to realistic pragmatism, that's a distinction without a difference.

>I'm glad you used the example of Chinese workers because Chinese workers are constantly fighting with CP bureaucrats and the CP-affiliated trade unions, and China is obviously a class society. Even Cuba, with its mostly planned economy, has capitulated in many areas to the demands of the international market. It has to, to survive. But Cuba is at least still a sponsor of revolutionary internationalism.
If everyone in the world needs to simultaneously come to the exact same conclusion to even remotely make your idea of international proletarianism viable then it isn't, it never was, and nations were right for abandoning the delusion that it is.

>>4956922
Make an argument or STFU. CTH and r/politics are right there for you if you want an impotent circlejerk where you don't have to worry your little head with the notion someone might disagree with you.
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Deanna Troi - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:30:42 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4956951 Reply
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>>4956946
A concise, accurate summary.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:32:14 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956954 Reply
>>4956943
Unfortunately for you your society has already been internationalized and even funnier to me is that the UK is responsible for it through its own earliest colonial adventures. You can join with your brothers internationally, or you can die in an imperialist war.

>countries which do not pursue a policy of open borders deny the international capitalist class the single most effective means of dividing and subduing the labour force.

They do so at the expense of their own viability as capitalist societies. Imposing border controls will not get rid of the capitalist class any quicker. It will drive economies to a standstill and, in the absence of an international workers movement, result in imperialist war. Yes, these policies are dictated by the demands of international capital, but that does not mean that we can turn back the clock and return to the autonomy of nation-states which is what lead to the scenario we are now in anyway.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:35:42 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956958 Reply
>>4956934
>I
I'm glad you've appointed yourself to be the moral arbiter and sole lens for which everyone else in your country gets to follow. Not surprised, it's very leftist flavored given they're often privileged spoiled children self-appointing themselves to positions no one, especially the working classes, ever asked them to or ever wanted them to.

>that leads you to believe that the British working class and British capital aren't diametrically opposed in their interests
I never implied otherwise, I simply said the former doesn't benefit from the latter importing millions of foreigners to destroy their economic prospects, something you seem to have no response to beyond a bunch of silly platitudinal wishy washy nonsense about disparate groups magically coming together out of a class consciousness you can't even get working in a single country, let alone across the globe.

And again, your nation is racially segregated and rapidly falling apart, I don't need any lectures on delusional bullshit from you. Next you'll be telling me your melting pot bravado isn't hilarious nonsense too.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:40:44 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956962 Reply
>>4956944
I'm sure all of that sounded profound in your head, but in the real world Islam isn't shrinking and it de facto does have a major problem with LGBT people. To act otherwise is straight up denial and hilarious delusion. Your empathy is pathetic because it's a tool the neo liberal class uses to manipulate you into letting them subvert and destroy working classes by subsuming them into ethnic conflict and economic exploitation.
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Seamus - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:52:23 EST SyJ41SU5 No.4956972 Reply
>>4956962
No one here has advocating tolerance of shariah in our countries poltard. I notice, how you evade my own question and comments.

I say many times before, there is no reason engaging these people.
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Zhang Jiao - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:56:58 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4956977 Reply
>>4956970
You abandon any and all possibility of improvement when you look at one sector of workers and say, "they're just here to fuck us". That's exactly the kind of shit your boss wants to hear. Your position is one of pure pessimism, that people can not and will not under any circumstances except violent coercion get along, and it's as emotionally rooted as the kind of thing you're accusing me of. For the record, we'll sing the Internationale.
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David Fury - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:59:45 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956982 Reply
>>4956972
>No one here has advocating tolerance of shariah in our countries poltard. I notice, how you evade my own question and comments.
If you support Islamic migration in any way you support Shariah. No ifs, ands, or buts. Birmingham has proven that.
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Fer'at - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 19:00:21 EST WxfhTaQK No.4956983 Reply
>>4956964
And your response to that is to kill innocent people worshipping in a church. So, whatever the question is, you're not the answer.
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Cmdr. Williams - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 19:08:16 EST SyJ41SU5 No.4956993 Reply
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>>4956980
>poltard shows up spouting obvious lies
>gets refuted for being retarded
>durr hurr you are angry
You see those southern countries? Those are Islamic Republics of Soviet Union. They were part of our territory. You see further south? Countries you might be familiar, because USA fucked them all up leaving wartorn Jihadist shitholes.

This stupid, fuck, he tries to say some dumb bullshit about Moslems and proletarians and so on. We did not have problems with anybody. Yes we did indeed stand together as united proletariat. That is literal world history. Was, until certain imperialist shithole began aggressively trying to create Jihadist movements all around whole world. USA deserves another ten 9/11s for that.

What happened to Iran is worst. They too were Soviet ally. No problems, until dumb fat fuckistan and its perfidious English allies utterly destroyed secular government for nationalizing they own G-d given resources to benefit own people because British Petroleum wanted to steal from people, as all Capitalists do. It became brutal dicstorship and Western satellite until Islamists overthrew him in funny turn of events because for once it was Islamists not funded armed and trained by West but instead only inspired by other Islamists trained funded armed by West.

But, it apparently not good enough because current Islamist Iran still is somewhat rational so they do everything they can trying to turn Iran into bombed out ruins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4phNuwx8Hs
If you knew what they did and they allowed you to learn any history you would be angry about this too.
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Fer'at - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 19:11:49 EST WxfhTaQK No.4956997 Reply
>>4956993
Jesus man calm down. Stop this. It's obvious to everyone that you're being paid to do it. No one reads these.
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El Oriental - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 19:12:05 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4956999 Reply
>>4956975
>Everything was fine
Eastern Europe spent the late 1910s and 1920s fending off red attempts to rebuild the Russian Empire in their image, and then the USSR worked in concert with the Third Reich to gobble up other nations to liquidate their populations as it saw fit before subjecting people who had just been dealt Nazi terror a 40 year hand of Soviet terror. I'm sure all the starving Ukrainians and Poles struggling for existence thought your little experiment was "fine". The USSR made its own Islamist movements the same way any tankie apologist claims the West did.

>>4956977
British capital flat out stated that's exactly what these migrants were, a demographic cudgel to fuck the right and any Brit they disagreed with.

>Your position is one of pure pessimism, that people can not and will not under any circumstances except violent coercion
That's reality. Multiethnic empires were never forged peacefully and never lasted once authoritarian means of holding them together abated. People need good reasons to voluntarily come together and unfortunately for you, your silly delusions rooted in international proletarianism are nothing close to that. If they were you wouldn't be in the position you're in.

>For the record, we'll sing the Internationale.
Of course you will, because in your Neverland all the workers magically agree with you. The classic leftist delusions of grandeur abide. Every leftist is just a temporarily embarrassed future member of the politburo, as much as capitalist are all temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
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El Oriental - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 19:17:41 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4957002 Reply
>>4956983
Import Islamists, you get ethnic conflict. The end. Wherever they go, this happens. Leftists recognize this when talking about fascists, but for some reason they roll over like fat retarded dogs when Islamists exhibit the same exact tendencies.

>>4956985
Islam undermining a secular democracy is cancer. Whatever what that presents itself, if it can be called Shariah or not, does not matter. It's all deleterious.

>>4956996
Or you could simply deport people. I'm not the one entertaining violent fantasies. Project harder.
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Graham Dushway - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 19:23:51 EST QAEh8OWG No.4957009 Reply
>>4957002
80% of this thread is this boomer being scared of brown people. Can some one ban this guy with his bad vibes
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El Oriental - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 19:27:35 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4957013 Reply
>>4957009
You insult other brown people when you equate concerns about Islamic migration with this crap. Brown people suffer more under Islam than anyone else.
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El Oriental - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 19:37:16 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4957026 Reply
>>4957020
Funny how personal and individual responsibility suddenly becomes a thing for leftists the moment they need to deflect from their shitty policies affecting people they disagree with. Doesn't seem to mesh with all the pity parties they throw for people they do agree with.

But in any case, I'll be sure to pass that info to my LGBT friends the next time they're upset about being harassed. it'll really cheer them up.
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Raymond Goucho - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 19:39:21 EST tgoQ5IW8 No.4957028 Reply
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>>4957026
>my gay friends my gay friends my gay friends
This is such a weird thing to keep touting
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El Oriental - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 19:42:00 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4957030 Reply
>>4957028
Is it really that hard to believe a bisexual person who cares about their friends doesn't really like leftists importing a violently anti-LGBT religion?
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Samantha Meatflap - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 19:52:36 EST utoiCvkb No.4957033 Reply
>>4957030
I don't believe you're bisexual or know any gay people. And muslims in the middle east are hella gay. They just don't consider gay sex gay if you say no homo after
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El Oriental - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 19:54:50 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4957035 Reply
>>4957033
>I don't believe you're bisexual or know any gay people.
Because maintaining your dogma requires that of you.
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El Oriental - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 20:17:09 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4957045 Reply
>>4957041
If that's what you have to tell yourself every time someone you claim ownership over has a disagreement with you because you can't see the exceedingly obvious reasons why someone like me doesn't like violent theocratic religions leftists jerk themselves raw over for confusingly self-destructive reasons.
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Phoenix Wright - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 20:19:28 EST zVgCHF4g No.4957047 Reply
>>4957030
>Is it really that hard to believe a bisexual person who cares about their friends doesn't really like leftists importing a violently anti-LGBT religion?
Muslims who integrate into a more permissive culture naturally (rather than thousands of refugees thrown in) don't generally engage in violence against queer folk.

I know quite a lot of Muslims. They're just normal people. It's when you get Sharia law and huge non-integrated populations that you get dumb redneck violence, or the Arab equivalent. That's all it is: just dumb poor people being controlled by other dumb poor people. Same as the white power kids popping up these days.
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Cmdr. Williams - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 20:25:13 EST SyJ41SU5 No.4957048 Reply
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>>4956999
Again, I notice how you ignore my post >>4956993
you dumb motherfucker
>>For the record, we'll sing the Internationale.
is literally what we all did. You ignorant as shit terrorist.

Here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_socialism#Islamic_communism
I know even to such massively inferior intellect as you, wikipedia is too smart and use too many big words but you are big boy now give it your best try! We believe in you! honestly we don't neither did your teachers or parents clearly
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Cmdr. Williams - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 20:33:03 EST SyJ41SU5 No.4957051 Reply
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>>4957045
Why do all of you act surprised we are not stupid? Like we are first people you tell such dumb lie to and not believing you.
>my gay friends
>my gay friends
YOu say this same way anyone racist says "my black friend" as if even knowing black person somehow is noteworthy. But, it obvious you is not homosexual and you probably have no homosexual friends at all. I bet you posting some stupid shit hurr muh degeneracy elsewhere this very moment. As if somehow, you expect everyone being dumb enough to believe your lies or middle school tier sophistry, semantics, twisted logic, blatant appeal to emotion, sloganeering, and every other thing I sure 93IQ levels like yourself must think is genius.

>>4955837
>Too bad for you none of those groups supports the 2A at all. Demographics are destiny on every side and by and large Mexicans, blacks, Communists, women, and gays are all fine being stuck with a shitty authoritarian govt.
You already started ranting about gays in this very thread you absolutely inferior human mind. You are clearly intellectually beneath us and this is forum for druggies even. Not even just site itself, but this is stupidest board on here except /woo/ and you still is mentally inferior to all of us.

Holy fuck how fucking dumb are people you are used to "bantz"ing with?
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Samantha Meatflap - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 20:33:52 EST utoiCvkb No.4957052 Reply
>>4957035
Did you seriously read my post and think I was being serious? I think you actually might be a /pol/tard on the spectrum if you can't take a joke. Do you talk about this shit in real life too?
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El Oriental - Sun, 09 Feb 2020 12:13:27 EST 3nE9uq27 No.4957387 Reply
>>4957048
>>4957051
I didn't respond to that post because it wasn't replying to me and you're a barely literate tankie apologist piece of shit pulling an unironic "USSR did nothing wrong!"

And I wasn't ranting about gay people, I was pointing out they sadly seem to support the same self-destructive policies other leftists do.

>>4957052
Maybe you're just not funny or can't craft a joke to save your life?
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Martha Stewart - Sun, 09 Feb 2020 13:00:48 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4957416 Reply
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>>4956474
TBQH European societies were far more violent when it was more "ethnically homogeneous".
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Jon Fitch - Sun, 09 Feb 2020 13:05:05 EST ROpq0DAd No.4957417 Reply
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>>4957411
Whoops no audio on that version somehow fucking helveticans fucking my shit up
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Icheb - Sun, 09 Feb 2020 13:11:00 EST RDhpj8S7 No.4957421 Reply
>>4957416
Jesus, why was Italy such a hellword compared to all the rest of the regions?
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Samantha Meatflap - Sun, 09 Feb 2020 13:56:56 EST utoiCvkb No.4957447 Reply
>>4957387
if you didn't find it funny you would just ignore the post instead of using it to push more of your talking points no one here cares about. You responded in a way thinking it was a serious post
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Easty Beasty - Sun, 09 Feb 2020 15:23:01 EST cBfPPnCn No.4957481 Reply
>>4957478
It's almost like in the end, things like nationalism and ethnic solidarity aren't really useful.
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Royce Gracie - Sun, 09 Feb 2020 18:57:35 EST GtK4BBhB No.4957541 Reply
>>4955090
Buddha* or Butter* depending on what kind of shit you ment to use.
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Garcia Hotspur - Sun, 09 Feb 2020 23:51:04 EST SyJ41SU5 No.4957596 Reply
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>>4957387
>they
At least you stopped your idiotic and abused angle of lying about being gay.
>self destructive
Lol rightards are solely self destructive and leave ruins for leftists clean up their messes. Talk about self destructive after Hitler so self destructive half his country occupied by Communists almost 50 years and other half occupied by Jewish Americans since then. Genius! He sure did preserve all that priceless German history and art that surely not lost forever now. Even in USA, George W Bush left them with peaceful orderly world and stunning economy. I sure can't wait seeing how much better Trump dubyas USA.
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Bobby Eaton - Thu, 13 Feb 2020 21:19:09 EST e8XobJFP No.4959050 Reply
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>>4957596

Didn't know Hitler told the allies to carpet bomb Dresden and other random German towns. Allies in one weekend killed more evil germans/nazis then the latter throughout the war.
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Brian Stann - Thu, 13 Feb 2020 21:22:43 EST QmBs14Cb No.4959055 Reply
>>4959050
just let this thread die, it's a whole damn minefield of partisan politics
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Worker Simon - Thu, 13 Feb 2020 22:14:57 EST qQZ7k4ft No.4959085 Reply
>>4959050
Do you even know how wars work? The winner is usually the side that kills more. If you get in to a war and dont kill, you gonna have a bad time.
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Kabal - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 09:57:53 EST TePiOgjp No.4959219 Reply
>>4959115
>I'm sure most americans have no idea where bolivia even is.
I want this to be a lie but I know it's probably true.

No wonder being constantly at war and killing poor people for profit is no longer a concern of Americunts. Not even the blue right wing party cares about it anymore. They used to pretend. Nobody gives a shit. Kill all the brown people.
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Vera Rubiin - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 10:50:10 EST vvApmIvN No.4959235 Reply
>>4959227
So you think those are the same democrats, huh?
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Greg Saunier - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 10:57:48 EST zVgCHF4g No.4959237 Reply
>>4959227
Well, the parties sort of flipped some number of years ago. Republicans used to be the wealthy but respectable party, and Dems were working class racists, basically Trump voters.

Now Dems are the billionaire/elitist/establishment party and Pubs are the racist white trash party. Weird how times change.

Follow the birdie!

So are you guys red or blue right wing? Which flavor of far right is your fav?
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Taylor Wilde - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 11:26:10 EST QzqynLeI No.4959244 Reply
>>4959237
>implying republicunts aren't the party of elitist establishment billionaires even when they're run by one
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Reginald Windsor - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 11:28:53 EST 0Z5YcRzz No.4959245 Reply
>>4959244
All politicians follow the same rules regarding campaign donations. There isn't a party with different rules.
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Lillian Gattingspear - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 12:31:35 EST Seh+PELR No.4959257 Reply
>>4959181
? I don't know what you mean by this. I don't like killing, and I sincerely don't know what to believe about whatever you're referring to. I am genuinely ignorant about whatever the hell happened in or leading up to WWI. I know I've learned/been taught all about it a number of times, but I seem to be incapable of retaining that information. Almost any historically significant information, for that matter. I am diagnosed ASD, and have significant memory problems as well, so that could be a factor. Hmm.
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Hall Matron Cedric - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 13:07:19 EST ZkDSjoRd No.4959261 Reply
>>4959237
Republicans have always been the party run by and for wealthy elite psychopathic pieces of shit and warmongers conning a bunch of racist white trash rubes. Nothing has changed unless you're literally so fucking stupid you listen to your dumbass Rush Linbaugh listening fat boomer dumbfuck of an uncle who is btw exactly the kind of racist dumbfuck white trash the Republicans have always used as their foot soldiers. The sole difference was that in the 80s under Reagan the Republicans began a strategy of more actively recruiting Evangelicals and trying to turn Christianity into a partisan Republican thing, since before then there had even been Christian Socialists and Christian hippies. The term "Jesus freak" was literally from the 1960s when you had a bunch of Christian hippie communes. In the eastern US there's still a few of them around who are part of some borderline cult called the Twelve Tribes. They own a bunch of delis and laundry services and things like that and live kind of like a mixture between eco friendly hippie organic coops and Mormon fundementalists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Tribes_communities
After Reagan they all became a bunch of extremist Zionist neocon hypocrites we all know and hate who don't seem to even have anything to do with Jesus message at all and are basically just an even more annoying form of Republican but other than that literally nothing has changed about the Republican party. They're also very much the pro-war party and I'm amazed we managed to get through most of one full term without these lowlife pieces of shit starting a war with Iran or somebody but theyve already been up to their old tricks of starting or trying to start coups everywhere from Bolivia to Venezuela, which is also something Republican pieces of shit are known for doing.
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Hall Matron Cedric - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 13:13:30 EST ZkDSjoRd No.4959263 Reply
>>4959227
lol the Democrats in the Civil War were the same thing as the Republican southerner retards of today and they literally flipped party affiliations in the middle of the 20th century just because they were that butthurt about giving civil rights to black people. They have ALWAYS been the same scum who are all about exploiting others, even as far back as the civil war when they used to call themselves democrats.

Protip look at a map and see who was what in the southeast of the US. Those are the same fuckheads today. Nothing has changed except something like 75 years ago they flipped parties. The Republicans in 1860 are what would today be the Democrats.
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Alfred Prunier - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 14:27:31 EST 3YkD++DU No.4959293 Reply
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>>4959050
Maybe they shouldn't have started invading countries to begin with.

Fuck you Nazi sympathizers, go eat some fucking zyklon b , pretty much all misery in this world comes from right wing politics.
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Phil Baroni - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 22:30:39 EST r8Txfzaq No.4959498 Reply
>>4956946
>>4956951
>>4956959
You're a load of masturbating lunatics. If you feel it's okay to substitute-in any sub-"culture" in in such a manner, then you're just fucking handing out a big glaring green light for liberals / right wingers / hyper-privelegelings to roll over or cannibalize anything and everything under the banner of "company culture". And, no, that's not a threat, they already do rally like that.
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Phil Baroni - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 00:20:07 EST r8Txfzaq No.4959576 Reply
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>>4959554
Heeeeyyyyyyyyyyy, look at this impressive, impressive slickboy!

Such a bearer of unbelievably bold ideas, not just that of gassing people who terrorise you with blatant unsupport, but also of electrocuting pidors, driving people to suicide with forced administration of their most-hated medications, good ol' fission, and now, compelled spartan skydiving, huh?

Would you say you're now being a mercy-saint by holding back on telling people about many other zyklon/chlorine/mustard alternatives you'd love to see them subjected to?
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Heston Blumenthal - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 04:04:32 EST d+YfEaTj No.4959643 Reply
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Why are you guys still arguing about fucking politics when we all know that the caliphate is the only legitimate government form?
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Gannondorf - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 04:08:09 EST t49SeSW5 No.4959645 Reply
>>4959466
Is this rape? This doesnt look okay. I dont like this
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>>4959645
It's just glamour photography, nothing to be touchy about.

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