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- Mon, 10 Feb 2020 13:31:32 EST SyJ41SU5 No.4957741
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Do you know what today is?
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Isaac Newton - Mon, 10 Feb 2020 13:41:05 EST lV+tILGR No.4957743 Reply
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it's MOTHERFUCKING MEATLESS MONDAY YEAH
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Pokémon Prof. Beatrice - Mon, 10 Feb 2020 13:47:57 EST If0JqG2y No.4957747 Reply
Yeah it's time for your weekly change of underwear
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Stephen Hawking - Mon, 10 Feb 2020 13:54:42 EST gK+YOctE No.4957748 Reply
So far today I have only eaten bread and vegetable soup. I forgot about this.
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Stephen Hawking - Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:11:19 EST gK+YOctE No.4957752 Reply
>>4957749
Yeah you tell that faggot how much of a faggot he is for not filling his mouth with that long thick hot stick of salty meat. Mmm. Delicious. Don't forget to swallow the mayo.
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Pokémon Prof. Beatrice - Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:22:31 EST If0JqG2y No.4957758 Reply
>>4957752
Sounds like you got dicks on the brain. Also who puts mayo on a hotdog? Fuckin weirdo.
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Vesto Slipher - Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:27:27 EST qVx94Rwu No.4957760 Reply
Making some Spaghetti and Meatsauce tonight, bros.

BLESS UP
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Pokémon Prof. Beatrice - Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:06:08 EST If0JqG2y No.4957773 Reply
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>>4957771
Hey I'm not the one getting aroused by that guy eating a hotdog.
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HeddaShakewater.ost - Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:15:52 EST HnfojEKv No.4957775 Reply
>>4957773
you're literally holding two weiners close to your face, dude, that's gay af
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Garcia Hotspur - Mon, 10 Feb 2020 17:42:59 EST SyJ41SU5 No.4957856 Reply
>>4957775
Sucking dick isn't gay if you're not fully hard bro

>>4957773
You heard him. He wasn't fully aroused sticking that salty hot meat stick in his mouth so wasn't gay
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Ebenezer Trotdock - Mon, 10 Feb 2020 19:23:52 EST If0JqG2y No.4957887 Reply
>>4957882
You're a real cock crazed dick-brain, you should call your boyfriend over because this is getting worrying.
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Emma Bonkinfield - Tue, 11 Feb 2020 00:23:37 EST HKNlG3Ai No.4957965 Reply
>>4957962
wtf is a cake boy
is that like where you get a stripper cake but instead of a girl it's a boy in the cake
cause that sounds dope
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Jenny Gebblebanks - Tue, 11 Feb 2020 10:49:35 EST qFZ+kaGb No.4958041 Reply
>>4957741

I don't get it. Does the water somehow disappear into another dimension when burgers are created?
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William Clapperton - Tue, 11 Feb 2020 11:12:09 EST xIvA5Qzu No.4958046 Reply
>>4958041
It's a ridiculous statement, don't believe the propaganda.

How about this one
>For every vegetable grown and harvested, a farmer saves himself enough energy to fight and knock out FOUR TODDLERS.
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Major Rakal - Tue, 11 Feb 2020 11:42:35 EST rCh0tnXd No.4958050 Reply
>>4958044
This. Currently we grow our food by pumping out massive amounts of freshwater groundwater that have accumulated over hundreds of thousands of years. We are projected to completely empty the two main aquifers in the US in about 20 years at this rate. Once the water is gone, it's gone and it will take thousands of years to accumulate again through rain. Basically we're just taking all the rain water from thousands of years and shooting it right back into the atmosphere where most of it lands in the ocean and becomes undrinkable.

Fresh water shortages scare me more than anything else tbh and it's insane how it's just drawn down without a single thought when we're already this close to the edge.
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Martín Berasategui - Tue, 11 Feb 2020 12:07:41 EST It1X8+mI No.4958051 Reply
>>4958041
>I don't get it.
If you're in the US that means you didn't get past the third grade. This has been in the national curriculum since I was in elementary school starting in 1981 for me. Are you from a place without good education?
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Martín Berasategui - Tue, 11 Feb 2020 12:08:51 EST It1X8+mI No.4958052 Reply
>>4958050
Don't keep explaining this to people. Adults were taught this in school. If they say they don't understand, they're pretending.
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Jenny Gebblebanks - Tue, 11 Feb 2020 12:30:48 EST qFZ+kaGb No.4958055 Reply
>>4958051

Should be some of the best education in the world. I guess it's not taught or I didn't care since we have enough water here, as in we're not going to run out ever unless we start selling it. Sounds like you're fucked though.
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Philippe Édouard Cauderlier - Tue, 11 Feb 2020 22:00:57 EST Bf9waaKw No.4958250 Reply
>>4958051

When I was in school I learned that the water humans and cows drink eventually gets returned to the ground supply after we piss it back out. It doesn't disappear into the 10th dimension when it gets drank.

Also our aquifers actually do get replenished by rain. There's some really boneheaded fear mongering going on in this thread.
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Guillaume Tirel - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 06:38:44 EST Cf/To5Tj No.4959174 Reply
> Cash bot indescrimintly donated $1 to your twitch account
>Cash bot yet again tributes $1 to your Minecraft stream
>Cash bot continues to transmit money into your bank account at one dollar intervals.

>Then
> Cash bot declines one dollar bill transactions into your account
>You ask yourself 'why cash bot. Why did you play me?'
>Cash bot seems to reply
>'You get what you get bitch. Please shut up.'
,>Cash bot then donates 50 dollars to your bank account.
>You continue to play Minecraft.
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Jenny Findleridge - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:39:57 EST nJkrco7e No.4959195 Reply
>>4958250
What part of the concept of using something up faster than it can be naturally replenished are you struggling with?
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Gordon Ramsay - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 08:32:51 EST t49SeSW5 No.4959204 Reply
>>4959195
The part where he is undermining his own self interests by buying meat products.
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Kabal - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 09:46:51 EST TePiOgjp No.4959217 Reply
>>4959173
You apparently didn't learn about it correctly. Yes, the water doesn't disappear. But it doesn't become magically clean again.

I thought the guy who was talking about it disappearing into the 10th dimension was making a joke. Apparently he thought he was making a good point. Obviously it doesn't disappear. It just doesn't instantly become drinkable.

We'll be having to treat a lot of water soon. Remember this time. Soon the water in your faucet may not be potable. You might have a second faucet for drinking water which is far more expensive, or have to order it and have it stored in a container outside, like propane.
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Hall Matron Cedric - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 13:42:22 EST ZkDSjoRd No.4959274 Reply
>>4958250
Are you genuinely stupid or just 15 years old? We can't drink saltwater. Yeah, it does continue on in the water cycle, sometimes by running off into it, or by evaporating and getting carried out over it and falling as rainwater.
>what is pollution
We need CLEAN water to drink you tard. Shit that's absolutely filled with commercial and industrial pesticides, gasoline, runoff from hog farms and other industrial runoff etc we can't drink. Would YOU want to drink that shit? Actually maybe you would drink water filled with lead and mercury that could explain a thing or two.
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Hall Matron Cedric - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 13:50:37 EST ZkDSjoRd No.4959277 Reply
>>4959217
The problem is that knowing how completely retarded humans are we're just going to end up burning more energy and opening up massive numbers of new treatment and desalination plants drawing even more and more massive amounts of power and burning ever more and more coal and other dirty energy accelerating us killing ourselves and the whole planet. I don't feel bad for humans being wiped out but I do feel bad for all the animals going extinct. The other sad thing is these fucking boomers and their godforsaken millenial prodigy aren't going to be the ones to suffer the most as consequences for their actions. But then again I'm sure that the grandkids of boomers will be walking around like faggots on the hypernet going "yeah but wouldn't all the coal we're burning that's starting to blot out sunlight make the earth cooler? Checkmate climate extremists" and then when I realize that I feel better again knowing they're going to drown in their own blood like everybody else.
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Aroma Lady Hugh - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 13:52:59 EST HKNlG3Ai No.4959279 Reply
>>4959274
Aquafina means final water. Because one day, that will be all there is to drink. That and dasani.
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Phineas Darryfock - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:20:12 EST Hr20aHI2 No.4959408 Reply
Wheatgrass shots every morning
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Phil Baroni - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 20:24:56 EST r8Txfzaq No.4959449 Reply
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>>4959284
>he
It's fucking menopausal and trans bitches! They've been doing it all the time with horse piss, but it seems like that's just gotten passe by now!
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John Mendlecocke - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 23:33:03 EST Bf9waaKw No.4959544 Reply
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>>4959217
>You might have a second faucet for drinking water

Most houses in my mother nation come equipped with a water filter and 2nd drinking faucet already. And we also propane. Don't worry about me. We are well prepared for this End of Times you speak of!
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Royce Gracie - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 15:42:01 EST Hr20aHI2 No.4959922 Reply
The apocalypse will come as a whimper
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Martin Snoddale - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 16:29:13 EST vVhYnTLU No.4959951 Reply
>>4957741
Going vegan is ethical, saves water and land and reduces emissions, and re- diversifies nature, and doesn't encourage the idea that some life is worth less, and would be all around better for the environment and what we do to animals is cruel. I have too much anxiety to post about it publicly so I'll use the ability to hide from my cowardice
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Comma Collon - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 17:51:19 EST JysIxVYV No.4959992 Reply
>>4959449
Why do I feel like
Oh god that's right there is something terrible I learned about. It took me a second to think and remember what it is like "what horse piss, medicine, wtf stupid shit even is that" and then I just fucking remembered.

Urine. Therapy. By god there's actually people out there rubbing piss all over themselves and drinking their own pee. I swear to God if I was even a little bit more unethical I'd be making so much incredible amounts of money right now. You can actually convince a bunch of Gwyneth Paltrow tier twats out there to smear piss all over themselves and rub it into their skin and start drinking horse piss and by god they will do it.
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Gannondorf - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 18:01:31 EST t49SeSW5 No.4959997 Reply
>>4959951
I dont know about encouraging equal valuation of life forms. I still get into arguments with my botanist friends about weed control and plant propogation techniques.
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The Dog - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 18:10:17 EST QmBs14Cb No.4960003 Reply
>>4959997
>child labor, unsafe working conditions, damn near slave labor is used for just about every product we purchase
>BUT THE COWS AND THE CHICKENS

this is the only beef i have with vegans. maybe treat humans with humanity before food. also on a naturalistic level, animals have been eating each other for way longer than they've been eating vegetation
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Comma Collon - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 18:20:25 EST JysIxVYV No.4960008 Reply
>>4960003
If you tacitly accept that it's okay to act like psychopaths to animals then you've already opened that long dark road towards being inhuman to other humans. I don't think it any coincidence that the Nazis loaded "undesirables" onto cattle cars and sent them to giant slaughterhouses, or took great pains to compare Jews to rats and mice because when you've already accept that it's not only acceptable but virtuous to kill living breathing things that feel fear and pain, then it takes increasingly little added indoctrination to goad them into killing people very different from you, and then people only slightly different from you, until finally you're just killing people exactly like you but hey it's okay because at least they're not you.

If becomes an egocentric versus other centric worldview, of how much you either see the world as an outward projection of spheres in relation to self versus a more holistic approach to life. When you tacitly understand that killing and torturing living beings in general is wrong then it takes a hell of a lot of effort to try and out forth the argument that anybody should ever be killed. Suddenly everything from war is wrong to the death penalty is wrong to eating meat is wrong. And if you don't? Then you're literally a Republican. Now suddenly there is no wrong, and it is good even to do it. Dumbfuck Republicans are such warped and twisted caricatures of human beings they actually make such moronic arguments as killing alligators, deer, and even poaching endangered animals is a good thing because it helps save them or some twisted nonsense.

I would point out that every single serial killer has started with torturing animals and simply moved up to bigger and bigger animals. You're right in that drawing that line is arbitrary because there is no line--killing is wrong period. Just eat an apple or avacado. Would it really kill you to eat an apple or avacado and not start pointless wars or shoot unarmed black men in wheelchairs?
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Lucy Steamcunt - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 18:35:31 EST JAabUWi9 No.4960012 Reply
>>4960008
please, there's always a line in the sand drawn where animal suffering is quantified, usually by specious claims of neuroscientific "understandings" that carry little weight in substance beyond pseudointellectual babble masquerading as understanding. tell me how much you avoid the ants on the pavement, anon, and I'll tell you why you're just as rotten as the rest of us.

the only people who deserve to be vegetarians are jains since they're the only ones with the balls to actually take through your logical conclusions to their most natural extent.
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Comma Collon - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 18:59:07 EST JysIxVYV No.4960021 Reply
>>4960012
I literally avoid stepping on ants and pick earthworms off the ground and throw them in the grass when it rains. It is a quantifiable thing to, of how far you're trying to move in the direction of psychopathy versus how much you're giving in to your own lazy, callous, selfish, and malevolent instincts at any given time or on average generally. A person who kills is lower than a person who only eats red meat, who is also lower than someone who occasionally eats fish in that regard. It is a commentary on how much suffering you pump into this world. That some people cause way more suffering than others doesn't mean everyone is equally bad because everyone causes suffering at some point in their lives unless you like believe in the American Protestantism version of Christianity that everyone is bad and everyone goes to the same hell regardless of how bad it is and that people who stole a candy bar in 5th grade are roasting alongside Hitler.
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Mark Henry - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 19:00:15 EST QmBs14Cb No.4960022 Reply
>>4960008
I never said it was right to treat animals like psychopaths, i'm just saying that the majority of humanity is currently subjected to the same treatment factory farmed animals are. Certainly, a fully actualized human society could live entirely in harmony with nature, really that's the only way civilization can survive without wiping itself out. the battle we currently face has more to do with unshackling the people being mistreated, then we can move on to more and more universally egalitarian ways of life. the current obstacle we are faced with isn't being nice to animals, it's fighting back against the sociopaths behind the enslavement of both animal and man (even though we're animals but let's not get into that now). you want to jump all the way to peak wokeness when it's a step by step battle, one that starts with humanizing actual humans
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Billy Kidman - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 19:08:33 EST JysIxVYV No.4960028 Reply
>>4960022
And why then should we simply ignore the one then, particularly when in certain cases it's literally the same thing like the horrible treatment of factory farm workers? You kill that entire complex you just liberated both. It's not like we have to pick and choose between the two. You can just as easily avoid being cruel to animals while also working for the liberation of man, and I think that a revolution in mindset is critical towards that effort. Fewer and fewer people eat meat at least in the developed world and that's a good thing just like discouraging smoking. Or we could keep living in a barbaric society that would shock even the Ferengi at their worst.
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Mark Henry - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 19:20:03 EST QmBs14Cb No.4960034 Reply
>>4960028
yeah, sure veganism can cure some ailments. not all of them, though. especially if there isn't a system in mind to replace the current one. if everyone had to quit producing meat and opt for protein rich legumes, it would do tons of harm in the short term due to the constraints of global economics and the realities of soil depletion. not being cruel to animals doesn't really solve the aforementioned problems, allowing the full spectrum of human intelligence to be harnessed and represented is the best chance we have of doing so. it's a matter of evolution, look at ant species who farm aphids. they don't prove farming the nutrients of other animals is correct, but they do prove it is natural. if ants were allowed to reach the apex of their development, who knows what the fuck their accomplishments could be, but neither us nor ants are there. luckily for us, certain people will have an emotional connection to animals and possibly exact changes upon the system, whereas ants are essentially a hivemind. a propensity of humans who share an opinion will exact change a lot faster than a propensity of saved animals
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ClaraBardson.ace - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 21:25:32 EST HKNlG3Ai No.4960074 Reply
>>4960028
>Or we could keep living in a barbaric society that would shock even the Ferengi at their worst.

Hey man you're not the trekkie you think you are. In that episode in DS9 where Quark and Rom get sent to 1950s Earth, they comment on how they find humans particularly barbaric and insane. They're especially surprised that a species would choose to irradiate their own atmosphere.

Of course, they do treat their woman like property and forbid them from even wearing clothes so...
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Linda McMahon - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 22:13:09 EST Hr20aHI2 No.4960086 Reply
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>>4960034
>if everyone had to quit producing meat and opt for protein rich legumes, it would do tons of harm in the short term due to the constraints of global economics and the realities of soil depletion.
Excess legumes go to feeding cattle & pigs now. So going vegan skips the meat-making bit.
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Alberto Crackplough - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 22:50:44 EST XAcn6OVL No.4960104 Reply
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>>4960086
It would probably create a huge logistical clusterfuck to certify and then reroute animal feed farms into human grade production lines, and all kinds of red tape and inspections and permits and more.
I want the animal product industry to get way, way better, but there are also some harsh truths to consider, like we have with wildlife management, where so long as there are cities set up the way they are, there will be displaced animals and ecosystems without predators, and so if you don’t have the WFC step in and hand out hunting permits, the deer will sometimes eat themselves right out of food and the whole thing collapses (including the deer population).

I get the whole animal welfare argument and I’m not against that, but I think vegans often end up missing the forest for the trees. What’s wrong about raising up some chickens in a better life than they’d live anywhere else, and just eating the eggs? Or sustainably harvesting honey? Or having some cows and getting all your fields mowed by them for free and you get some milk too. In these sorts of cases, is there still any real argument for hardline veganism? Because if you’re saying not to milk cows even if it isn’t hurting them then what is actually the problem? Brewing one bottle of Kombucha kills more “living beings” than squeezing the tit of a beloved cow and drinking fresh raw milk

I think I kind of feel kissed that the health food industry is full of such elitist bullshit. I went to pick up some dried figs and there were only a couple choices, not mission figs because those are nasty, not the ones saturated in sugar water because I don’t want Candy, so the one healthy option left? There’s like 5 pieces of flair on the bag “Woman owner business”, “non-gmo project certified” “fair trade” “gluten free”. So I knew it would be like 3 times as expensive as the others, but it doesn’t have to be like that, all I wanted was a minimally processed product, and it’s crazy that that’s some of the most expensive shit you can buy at the grocery, simply whole food products that haven’t been tampered with or jacked full of HFCS or a big list of sketchy byproduct ingredients that uses chemical names to confuse consumers who wouldn’t otherwise buy the shit if they knew what it was.
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Shitting Croffinghure - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 23:08:53 EST JAabUWi9 No.4960117 Reply
>>4960104
most vegans care little for ecological management and have vague pie-in-the-sky dreams about human depopulation or anprim fantasies about the collapse of industrial society

>>4960022
>cows are worth more than fish
automatically you invalidated yourself. it's always a line in the sand. either all life is sacred above perhaps the microbes or none of it is. again, only the jains are the ones free of this blatant hypocrisy and appeals to biological science you don't understand.
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Cub Swanson - Sun, 16 Feb 2020 00:01:47 EST nArjsrgJ No.4960126 Reply
For every comparable caloric content of vegetables to match the calories of a burger you would use more Water, lmao.
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Captain Rixx - Sun, 16 Feb 2020 00:11:15 EST t49SeSW5 No.4960135 Reply
I am SO sick OF all THIS thinly VEILED pol SHIT here
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James Te Huna - Mon, 17 Feb 2020 20:32:33 EST cHPvIs0G No.4960808 Reply
>>4957741
This stupid holiday fucked up my plans today. What the fuck even is presidents day? Fuck even is that shit?
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Burt Ryan - Mon, 17 Feb 2020 23:54:27 EST vVhYnTLU No.4960857 Reply
>>4960117
Veganism is the best for ecological management the ecosystem manages itself if you don't fuck with it and animal farming is horrible for the environment irrigation and everything else and you're appealing to rely on being the antagonist to an argument that isn't propagated get out of here strawman
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Brooke Cottle - Tue, 18 Feb 2020 05:32:50 EST GmZoVS3r No.4960904 Reply
>>4957741
Water doesn't just disappear if you make a burger, it stays in the atmosphere, but if you eat a burger its gone for good, it wont just naturally reappear again from a thin air like water does.
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Simon Mankinhall - Tue, 18 Feb 2020 15:16:49 EST 3Cr0F64A No.4961041 Reply
pee pee poo poo
burger water comes out of you
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Ricochet - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 00:59:11 EST r8Txfzaq No.4961130 Reply
>>4959992
No, that's not it. It is not the big thing involved. The main source of hormone supplementation has been horse urine. Then, for some reason, they started gung-ho-ly synthesizing urine components, so by now they can at least use artificial horse urine, or whatever kind of artificial urine there might be.

And then they all dramatically scratch their heads and act bewildered, anguished and "empathetic" about where the hell these soaring rates of cancer are coming from.
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Waiter Nigel - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 02:29:32 EST e7M2QMAA No.4961154 Reply
>>4959992
I actually joked about this with a minor celebrity friend who recently got into really good shape. He was saying that he was going to start getting into the health teacher thing and I started joking that we could tell people he got fit by bathing in human piss, and then we could sell jars of our own piss.
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Kefka - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 02:43:33 EST QmBs14Cb No.4961158 Reply
>>4961154
on somewhat of a tangent, i was trying to acquire this girl's piss to pass a drug test allegedly, and she tried to monetize her urine, and then i yelled at her for trying to sell her bodily waste to me. the bitch is a socialist too, like wtf, was i in the wrong?
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 02:43:35 EST iLikEToleARn No.4961159 Reply
>>4961158
Clash of cringe though, so their in-game avatars don’t look like she's a bad lucha things in the state, and the expectations for picard.
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ArchieClerringkut.jar - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 03:20:09 EST ZA0Bs+IY No.4961160 Reply
>>4961158
You were wrong. She was able to provide something of value to you, it's only fair that she get value in return. Otherwise, why bother? It's less effort to flush it.

Someone always controls the means of production. In Socialism, it's centralized and controlled by an Administrative class who are unable to make decisions fast enough and local to the source of need, and they only consider least common denominator needs, and have no competition to motivate them. In Capitalism, it's decentralized which enables anyone (in theory) to control some means of production, enabling rapid distributed decision making local to the need and taking into account relative local differences, but the competition between localities (which drives resource reuse and optimization of the means of production) also creates winners and losers. You can't have your cake and eat it too, but on the balance of things Capitalism is more effective.
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Ricochet - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 06:28:05 EST r8Txfzaq No.4961184 Reply
>>4959217
>>4959544
Propane? How does that end up as a fitting, appropriate comparisson? Aren't we gonna run out of propane too? Is there some sort of process for producing propane that's just not getting enough publicity?
>>4958250
>>4960905
>>4961041
I see a very usefully very simple way to make sense of this. After all, are you forgetting that cows, in addition to being quite expensive, have fucking weird digestion, which is kind of why we've made such a habbit of using them so much in the first place? Oh, yeah, and because they've also been very useful for producing leather and milk. But that is still not all that gets produced with a cow!

Methane bitches, stop forgetting it.

Just consider most of the water used for the cow going into producing methane. Now, If we were collecting the methane, it might not be going to waste, or more correctly doing even worse than just disappearing. Come on, that's such a basic element of tracking how cow runoff spills off.
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Bubsy - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 07:01:42 EST jmz+tjYZ No.4961190 Reply
>>4961160
In capitalism, there's no slow moving government, only a line - do you have enough money, or don't you? No money? NEXT!
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ArchieClerringkut.jar - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 07:36:12 EST ZA0Bs+IY No.4961194 Reply
>>4961190
And anyone can get money by doing things other people need or want. In Socialism, everyone is a beggar.
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Hiroyuki Sakai - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 08:49:01 EST TePiOgjp No.4961233 Reply
>>4961194
What about in the US, which is a hybrid of capitalism and socialism? Or in various Euro countries which leans the hybrid even more toward socialism? (Just don't invite in millions of refugees and expect nothing to go wrong)
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ArchieClerringkut.jar - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 09:41:35 EST ZA0Bs+IY No.4961251 Reply
>>4961233
Capitalism is not a complete social structure, just an effective mechanism that should be part of a larger and more comprehensive social strategy. It can be abused just like any other tool. Mixing it with socialism softens its edges and provides for a more balanced society.
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Wolfgang Puck - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 09:58:12 EST Amt3l3y2 No.4961256 Reply
>>4961251
Capitalism and (some schools) of socialism are not mutually exclusive. Both ideas taken to their extreme concentrate power but when set up right they diffuse it further and ideally promote the diffusion or at least resist consolidation of power and resources to the point they can be used to redefine the "rules" of society. I think the ideal system under flawed humans is one which involves not only socialism and capitalism but a mix of stability and anarchy. In the sense that we likely need to keep breaking up power blocks and excessive chunks of resources. Rather than waiting until everything goes to shit and then tearing it down which involves misery both as endgame approaches and during the shock of the revolution we need a continual process which is day to day and thus things never get awful and disruption is minimised. However those with the power to change things are the ones who lose out even once a big change has happened, so fuck knows how that's supposed to occur.

Anyway...

Euro countries with a 50/50 mix seem to get pretty good results. America has one of the most capitalist leaning economies in the west and the outcomes compared to total value of the economy are quite poor. However socialist economies also do well because the poor spend a higher proportion of their money, more ensuring the poorest have more resources drives short term demand growth, but more importantly investing in them improves supply growth etc. It also reduces crime and health problems and thus ensures more resources can be used for other things rather than patching up bad outcomes.
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Kamala - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 10:15:30 EST 9XFA7AXe No.4961264 Reply
>>4961158
You don't need to be bad at a system to say it's shit.
>someone doesnt have a lot of money or business sense
>haha you're poor you're only a Socialist because you're lazy and suck at business
>someone actually finds a way to sell their own piss to you
>wtf bro you're a Socialist you're not supposed to do that
She controls the means of her own piss production. Why do you want to exploit her piss production?

>>4961256
Wasn't it Trotsky or someone who was talking about the need for perpetual revolution for exactly that reason? Honestly the biggest problem is lack of meritocracy. The system is so locked up at this point that you either get born into wealth or you don't. Social mobility not only has ceased to exist but is actually starting to go backwards in America.
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NathanielGrimson.txt - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 10:40:22 EST zVgCHF4g No.4961266 Reply
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>>4961256
> However socialist economies also do well because the poor spend a higher proportion of their money, more ensuring the poorest have more resources drives short term demand growth
This is a good card to play whenever anyone tells you that driving up the minimum wage just increases the price of goods. Yes, it does, but it also increases economic activity, because the money you give to the working poor goes right back into the economy.

You do have to maintain a high quality of labor still, though. Can't go the route of, say, Portugal, where it's basically impossible to get fired once you're hired on, so everyone just loafs about all day.

What a sad, pathetic existence. You have it great, so what do you do? You cheat the system and don't do any work. Great. By preventing leeches at the top, we've made new ones at the bottom. Burn all leeches with fire.
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Kiyotsugu Hirayama - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:43:04 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4961289 Reply
>>4961266
Portugal sounds pretty based. Mediterranean climate, lazy work culture, higher life expectancy than the US. I'd move if the language weren't such a disaster.

>>4961264
Socialism requires institutions that don't generate an unaccountable bureaucracy. That's the main hurdle which historically socialism has bashed itself against in its Stalinist form, and which threatens revolutions in places like Venezuela, where Chavistas in communes are fighting the ruling PSUV which also claims the ideological mantle of Chavismo.
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Kefka - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 13:04:42 EST QmBs14Cb No.4961299 Reply
>>4961264
the levels of exploitation are completely different, i'm exploiting a renewable resource that has never before been a profitable commodity to her, in order to get a job that would continue to add value to the greater economy. she's exploiting my situation, being vilified for nonviolent drug use, something she is vehemently against, to extort me. it's also worth noting she was pissing out the beer i gave her, because i'm a good host, god damn it
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Geoffrey Rush - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 13:12:40 EST PErI9j88 No.4961303 Reply
there is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism
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Commander John J Adams - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:23:59 EST EIYDamC+ No.4961340 Reply
>>4960857
>the ecosystem manages itself if you don't fuck with it
wrong
enjoy invasive species and herbivores destroying the bottom level ecology before population collapse. only brainlet vegans and lolbertarians think everything will be fine if you leave it alone. the only way "leave it alone" works is if you're a human extinction nutcase - which most of you are, even if you don't realize it.
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Marie Troisgros - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 17:58:06 EST 3Cr0F64A No.4961447 Reply
>>4961184

We wasting methane, and feeding cows grain instead of grass. Keeping them in small pens and fattening them up with a mix of medical grade antibiotics to avoid diarrhea and corn to produce fat.

Cows ain't raised right one way or another, and water ain't the biggest thing they waste. Their poop, the land, the health of the animals, quality and flavor of their flesh, its all being flushed away for the cheapest possible product per pound.

And yet, the farmers are not to blame here, they are merely following the whims of major food production companies. Look at JR Simplot, try to guess what their environmental impact is.
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Tyron Woodley - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 06:34:21 EST r8Txfzaq No.4961691 Reply
>>4961194
The only "civil servants" I've known that had the whole attitude of premtively knocking your teeth out, cause the hand that feeds needs to defend itself against being bitten, were ones who were also religious.

On the other hand, dudes with the private sector, or maybe even just ones who saw themselves that way, automatically had that attitude in spades.
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Tyron Woodley - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 06:43:02 EST r8Txfzaq No.4961695 Reply
>>4961299
WTF, if you submit her urine for testing in place of your own, won't they just simply take note that it's unexpectedly female urine?
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Grimp - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 07:01:44 EST Kq+8nSux No.4961697 Reply
>>4961299
You were trying and failing to get laid while absconding with the woman's piss
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Tyron Woodley - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 07:13:45 EST r8Txfzaq No.4961698 Reply
>>4961447
So when Meatless Molotov freely chants with his spectacular water figure, it just pointlessly discourages people and provokes great doubt, it seems, cause wasted water isn't even easy to believe.

The methane factor properly underscores the wastefullness of beef especially because of interplaying with that proper feed factor of yours. If their fed grass, they need to be outside, wasting the methane and releasing it as a greenhouse gas. If on the other hand the methane is collected, that requires them to be inside and not grazing around, hence having to consume highly-deliverable pre-packaged feed.
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Tokath - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 07:16:30 EST xXgzbDpX No.4961699 Reply
>>4961698
>So when Meatless Molotov freely chants with his spectacular water figure,
Please just talk in English. Don't use Google translate, it turns your post into gibberish.
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Admiral Chekote - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 22:20:49 EST r8Txfzaq No.4961936 Reply
>>4961699
It's exactly what he does. It shouldn't be too hard to wrap your head around, because it is a rather common vegan behaviour, but that isn't even the premier clue, what's exceptionally noticible is how he's constantly chanting Sovietly.

But since said Sovietistic dickwaving behaviour does have support here, it's clear why some people would wish that mentions it were incomprehensible!
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Shu Shibutani - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 22:25:08 EST MC6L0aFo No.4961938 Reply
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>>4961699
You're talking to a badly written bot, or a foreign troll. Either way, you're wrong.
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Admiral Chekote - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 23:14:25 EST r8Txfzaq No.4961949 Reply
>>4961938
I don't even notice what it is that's foreign to you. If you want to throw around subjective labels like "foreign", then you need to lay down a bit of context beforehand and regularly use a term like Pidor, Chavscum/Footie, Untermensch, Terrorist/Emokid/Supersize, Kaifr, Bloke, Hockey/Krispy Kreme Double Double Double, Oooo-la-la/Garcon, Kawai, and so on.
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Admiral Chekote - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 23:21:54 EST r8Txfzaq No.4961950 Reply
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I've been seriously puzzled by Palm Oil.

It's got some very impressive efficiency figures, yet it's said to be this huge menace against the Borneo and all.

*I'll have to skip much connective reasoning here, because of whinings that it wouldn't be smoothly stated enough*

Why not just be all about slashing beef farming in Brazil, especially to farm palm oil in Brazil, to save the Orangutangs?
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Cora Peterson - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 23:38:03 EST Seh+PELR No.4961953 Reply
>>4961950
Orangutans are like Irish gorillas. Except they're better than both gorillas and Irish people.
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Paulo Filho - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 23:40:14 EST Bf9waaKw No.4961954 Reply
>>4961953
a gorilla or an irish person would kick an orangetan's ass, though
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Fucking Blytheman - Fri, 21 Feb 2020 00:05:48 EST RKOZfxbo No.4961959 Reply
>>4961956
The Irish are weekenders*

Alternate joke: Irish you were kidding.
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Shu Shibutani - Fri, 21 Feb 2020 02:29:18 EST MC6L0aFo No.4961997 Reply
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>>4961949
They are either a bot or are using google translate to write english. This is an english chan. That's enough to be called foreign. Has nothing to do with racism.
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Admiral Chekote - Fri, 21 Feb 2020 02:50:22 EST r8Txfzaq No.4962004 Reply
>>4961997
So what you're saying is, only foreign subverters would stoop to delving into a freakish, esoteric topic like the survival of Orangutans?
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Rokusaburo Michiba - Fri, 21 Feb 2020 23:44:57 EST 2pfE2xkd No.4962366 Reply
>>4961938
>their
My money is on someone from pol with severe mental health and substance issues. Fucking up their/they're/there is a pretty common English speaker mistake made by retards.
>monday molotov
It sounds more like a dumbfuck Fox watching boomer who mixed alcohol with his psychiatric medication honestly. Like what the fuck, is comparing veganism to Communism suppose to make us think bad things about it or something? Like half the board is genuine Communists and Socialists. My favorite great debate of 2019 is whether cookery is a bourgeois pursuit or not clearly it's proletarian if your labor is being exploited by an owning class who gives you in return such shit awful wages you still have to shop at Walmart with food stamps while making $30 plates for actual bourgeoisbut then if your wife cooks your meals, does that make you exploitative?
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Slab Squatthrust - Sat, 22 Feb 2020 07:13:19 EST r8Txfzaq No.4962496 Reply
>>4962366
Oh, wow, so being Stalin's right hand boy is righteous now? Well, according to you. Why, because it lets that crystal clear glaring nuisance establish a party line combining the two?

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