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Are there reasonable non-religious arguments against abortion?

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- Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:00:10 EST mo+iixwP No.4958597
File: 1581552010266.jpg -(98811B / 96.50KB, 547x800) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Are there reasonable non-religious arguments against abortion?
I just found out now that there are atheists against abortion. I have no idea what is going on in their heads and I'd like to know. It isn't because cruelty, since there's anesthesia involved, it's not jesus, since we don't believe in jesus, so what is it? The humanhood of a fetus? Who gives a fuck about the humanhood of a fetus?
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Beatrice Honderstad - Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:08:15 EST jyN5xfWw No.4958602 Reply
>>4958599
Fuck I hate money. I am so poor. My family is all poor. History of poor people. I wish I was never born. Their is no place for poor people and rich people just use us and shit on us. We don't have the chance to not be poor. I hate it. I fucking hate it.
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Jocelyn Bell - Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:47:09 EST Oneu6Ona No.4958625 Reply
my cat went to the vets today, not good news :(
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Jocelyn Bell - Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:56:19 EST Oneu6Ona No.4958631 Reply
In his own words "catastrophic kidney and liver failure".

Why did the guy have to say CATastrophic though?
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Admiral T'Lara - Thu, 13 Feb 2020 17:32:22 EST utoiCvkb No.4958978 Reply
>>4958938
nah those are zoomers wishing they did, millennials take matters to their own hands since they aren't pussy niggas
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SimonGossleman.tiff - Thu, 13 Feb 2020 18:08:36 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4958991 Reply
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Cuba and Iceland are both islands, both largely non-religious, and both sport high abortion rates. It's pretty interesting. Being an atheist makes you far more likely to kill your baby.
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Marcel Boulestin - Thu, 13 Feb 2020 18:12:37 EST zVgCHF4g No.4958992 Reply
>>4958991
Hahah, I saw a couple of noise shows in Osaka in the venue founded by one of the members of The Boredoms, "Namba Bears". Osaka's the capital of Japanese noise music. Scene's a little bit dead now but they were still doing cool shit. This one show mixed old Japanese music with noise. Definitely on par with the best noise in the US such as Wolfeyes
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EugeneMuppermare.wav - Thu, 13 Feb 2020 18:48:35 EST UjnCnKeo No.4959004 Reply
the only problem i have with it is when it's too old to kill, they literally chop the baby up and scoop it out of the woman, that's an extremely fucked up method and i do not agree with it
if it's just a month old bean of a fetus then they just chemically kill it
actually, i haven't looked up abortion methods in decades, is there a new, cleaner method to kill a 5 month fetus?
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Dante Hicks - Thu, 13 Feb 2020 18:58:28 EST XAcn6OVL No.4959005 Reply
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>>4959004
I saw a video where a bunch of prochoicers were shown what abortion actually entails and at what stages. They all seem very shocked and disturbed. You don’t have to be religious think this is a procedure that shouldn’t be endorsed with an enthusiastic or carefree tone. You don’t go to sleep and magically wake up with your baby problem solved, that’s not what happens at all. I know a girl who got scarring from it and can’t have kids now, it’s a serious thing that is much more complex than “are you an atheist or not”, and I wish people could talk about it without freaking out and jumping for their red and blue voter cards to spam everywhere instead of actually addressing the issues
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NicholasBrookford.pif - Thu, 13 Feb 2020 22:22:13 EST 7Mr6dUFf No.4959087 Reply
>>4959005
>You don’t have to be religious think this is a procedure that shouldn’t be endorsed with an enthusiastic or carefree tone

Sure, but it should still absolutely still be heavily endorsed.
Just because there are some bad outcomes from abortion and that sometimes people get sad about it, doesn't mean that it doesn't need to happen. It absolutely needs to happen
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Greg Saunier - Thu, 13 Feb 2020 23:07:40 EST zVgCHF4g No.4959099 Reply
>>4959097
A lot of reasons, but probably the biggest is that nobody should be forced to carry the child of their rapist, for instance.

It's not something anyone embarks on casually. And people are too pleasure-craving to use a condom every time. There's no reason to offer abortions, particularly early term ones where it's just a clump of cells in your stomach
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Archie Blirringkit - Thu, 13 Feb 2020 23:12:29 EST Bf9waaKw No.4959102 Reply
>>4959099
>a clump of cells in your stomach

I don't think you're qualified to judge whether or not a developing baby is a person.
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Dig Dug - Thu, 13 Feb 2020 23:15:23 EST YwiQZund No.4959105 Reply
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>>4958597
repopulating after an extinction-level event at the hands of a rogue robotic race
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Daizee Haze - Thu, 13 Feb 2020 23:30:24 EST qw2aM/Vu No.4959113 Reply
>>4959102
Whether a fetus is a "person" or not is irrelevant, it's semantics. And personhood is subjective, there's no authority on the subject whose word is final. What matters is that fetuses are killed with anesthesia, and that they aren't rational enough to want to be alive. There are animals that are as smart and sentient as human toddlers being slaughtered on the billions, yet human fetuses get put on this pedestal, as if there's an inherent value to the human dna. Even though humans are the parasites that are destroying this planet.
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Greg Saunier - Thu, 13 Feb 2020 23:55:57 EST zVgCHF4g No.4959120 Reply
>>4959102
Are you saying I'm stupid?

A boy and a girl kiss, a baby grows in her tummy and then she poops it out in the hospital.
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Archie Blirringkit - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 01:12:20 EST Bf9waaKw No.4959146 Reply
>>4959113
Are you a person? Am I? No authority on this subject, oh well! I guess what I'm saying is, why not abort "people" who have already shown themselves to be utter failures, instead of taking out babies who haven't yet had the opportunity? You could be killing the next Einstein. Maybe she would've been the person who discovers the solution to global warming, holy shit wouldn't that be ironic. Pretty sure the cow that made my hamburger wasn't going to figure it out.
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Sarah Morrison - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 05:55:37 EST JAabUWi9 No.4959170 Reply
>>4959146
what a shock, the "pro-lifer" turns out to be another edgy eugenicist /pol/ nb
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Archie Blirringkit - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 10:58:02 EST Bf9waaKw No.4959238 Reply
>>4959170
and the ones who want to murder all babies in the womb aren't? At least in my case they were given the chance to make an impact on the world first.
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NicholasBrookford.pif - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:11:57 EST 7Mr6dUFf No.4959339 Reply
If I had a uterus I'd get pregnant and abort it at 8 months just to fucking spite every anti-choice motherfucker in the world
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NicholasBrookford.pif - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:14:05 EST 7Mr6dUFf No.4959342 Reply
>>4959097
Because people will die if we don't grant them access to abortion.
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Shit Goodlock - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:17:41 EST 5KJhV19d No.4959347 Reply
>Who gives a fuck about the humanhood of a fetus?
People that believe it to be true?
You may not believe it, and you may not respect it, but that is generally what it boils down to.
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Krusty the Clown - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:23:31 EST cy371KTF No.4959357 Reply
>>4959146
>I guess what I'm saying is, why not abort "people" who have already shown themselves to be utter failures, instead of taking out babies who haven't yet had the opportunity? You could be killing the next Einstein.

If this is about oportunity then everytime I jack off I end the chance of millions of possible Einsteins existing. Should jacking off be taboo too?
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NicholasBrookford.pif - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:25:16 EST 7Mr6dUFf No.4959360 Reply
I think what we've learned from this thread is that abortion should be legal, vasectomies should be free, and most dudes should get one.
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Reginald Windsor - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:47:52 EST 0Z5YcRzz No.4959373 Reply
>>4959347
Okay, so how much special status am I obligated to give those opinions that are nothing but opinions?
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Suwama - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 19:23:52 EST Chr3HTu6 No.4959429 Reply
>>4958992
Honestly I love that image because every time I look at it I notice another band or artist I listen to
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Mason Ryan - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 19:40:50 EST CEM9+gdL No.4959437 Reply
>>4958597
I bet its their politics. Anti-abortion stems from men dominance over women.
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Mr. Fuji - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 05:39:48 EST MC6L0aFo No.4959672 Reply
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Because that aborted fetus could be the person who fixes some things in this world instead of making it more fucked up. Everyone deserves a shot at that much. Not that I'm a crazy fucker who thinks they get to tell people that they can't get an abortion. It just seems wrong to fuck with fate like that. More people could be more problems, but maybe that person would have come up with the solution to cold nuclear fusion and save everyone.
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Kevin Steen - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 06:36:14 EST na6PvJyP No.4959675 Reply
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>>4958597

Can you tell me when a fetus becomes a baby?

Definitely, it's not birth, and I don't think there are any medical professionals who would argue that it is
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Aaron Simpson - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:22:48 EST 9vkhWhOP No.4959682 Reply
>>4959675
How the fuck is it not birth? It is absolutely birth. If you don't interact with it and it doesn't interact with you, it's not a person so who the fuck even cares? Btw I've seen medical professionals arguing that the abortion term should be extended even after birth if the birth is premature because the fetus has not developed a brain and therefore can never really be a living person, just a corpse kept alive by machines.
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Ludovic Lefebvre - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:40:34 EST 16ABJDTw No.4959697 Reply
>>4959682
Why are you arguing about this? You're in a foam right now, an emotional froth. Why not take it further and just fucking die instead of bickering about god damn abortion on the weed board of a drug forum.
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Aaron Simpson - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 08:18:29 EST 9vkhWhOP No.4959755 Reply
>>4959697
protip, people can use the word fuck without being in an "emotional froth". It's for emphasis you jolly african-american. I do this because I find it droll. It enhances the function of the hivemind to engage in intercourse with itself.
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Roxxi Laveaux - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 08:21:04 EST ixoy6rQi No.4959756 Reply
on the gut level cant you just tell? you can just tell it's evil
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Scientist Reuben - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 08:51:14 EST aeZX357C No.4959760 Reply
i think if you don't want a child growing in you thats your right. but i also think if you go in for your third abortion or maybe your second within a certain time span they should just go ahead and sterilize you
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Parasol Lady Thomas - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 08:54:12 EST 6tVD+1WN No.4959761 Reply
>>4959760
Why is it suddenly illegal to leave a newborn in a trash can though?
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Gannon - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 09:00:37 EST TePiOgjp No.4959764 Reply
>>4959760
> i also think if you go in for your third abortion or maybe your second within a certain time span it should be free
Hear hear
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Ring Ryda Blue - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 11:11:42 EST nxJo4LE0 No.4959791 Reply
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>>4959783
I hate it when you post this image, you're such a douchebag. I know for a fact that you're trolling when you post this image, so i'm not gonna entertain it again. should be ashamed of yourself
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John Mendlecocke - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:19:18 EST Bf9waaKw No.4959875 Reply
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>>4959861
What about the ones who slice their kid up and rip her out of the womb, not because they were "raped by daddy", but simply because the child was seen as an inconvenience? Perfectly fine?

(not bumping this abortion of a thread)
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William Moseley - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:21:31 EST COtejjUc No.4959878 Reply
>>4959875
Abortion is a private medical decision between a woman and her doctor. Doctors are bound by medical ethics, every other medical procedure is treated this way except abortion.
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Daniel Chickenchoke - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:26:59 EST 3Cr0F64A No.4959883 Reply
Bortin is what you do when you're bored and need a fun way to fill an afternoon.

Nobody takes it seriously anymore, it isn't even dangerous. Getting a nose job is more risky and expensive.

It certainly doesn't have any risks of complication, or hormone imbalance.

Nobody arguing here has ever taken care of a foster child, nor volunteered in an orphanage. This bait is weak and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
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Daniel Chickenchoke - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:33:25 EST 3Cr0F64A No.4959892 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Patroklos Alexander - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:33:45 EST 9BM/9OmI No.4959893 Reply
How is babby unformed?
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Christiaan Huygens - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:39:03 EST /b3hHPq2 No.4959896 Reply
>>4959875
Yes, perfectly fine.
It really is.

bye lil fetus see you in hell bitch
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Augustus Meckleson - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 15:31:03 EST If0JqG2y No.4959919 Reply
Odd place for a placenta
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Fanny Grimdale - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 15:53:34 EST Ng2tXNuc No.4959927 Reply
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>>4959791
Funny thing, as an animist, I don't have to justify eating meat or abortion, it's just a part of nature. Both make you a murderer though, I just murder animals instead of humans. Not cool, but its life for someone who wants to cook a bunch of different stuff. >>4959791
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Brian Stann - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 15:55:52 EST S1xwIfzA No.4959928 Reply
>>4959927
Murder is a legal term that refers to the unjustified killing of humans. Killing animals isn't murder, and abortions aren't murder if the law allows it.
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Kevin Steen - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 16:03:03 EST na6PvJyP No.4959934 Reply
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>>4959682

It's when the child can live on it's own. If it can live outside of the womb, it's considered a person. That's why you heard a doctor arguing that a baby that couldn't live outside the womb could be aborted.

This is a common point of discussion for people who actually discuss abortion

I think you're very confused, or you're reading only what you want to read and hearing only what you want to hear.

I mean, do you think a mother and her in utero (w/e) child don't interact? Haven't you heard of women getting their kidney's kicked, or women playing music into their uterus during the later months of pregnancy?
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Fanny Grimdale - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 16:05:30 EST Ng2tXNuc No.4959935 Reply
>>4959928
All opinions are subjective, in my eyes if you impede on the inner journey of another being, be it an atom, a rock, a tree, a mouse, a dog, a man, an ai, a planet, a star, a galaxy or a universe, you are committing trespasses. Felling trees is non required. Mining ore is non required. Killing budding babes is non required. Howver, to live a certain lifestyle with minimal effort, you have to partake in practices and products that involve these sorts of trespasses. But are they trespasses? The universe is as is, so, the universe wanted that ore mined, that slave labor, that empire rising and falling, who is to say we humans truly know right from wrong? Or ever will. Just like, chill out man and smoak a gam. In my eyes, you kill a baby human who was about to grow, the universe wanted you to be a murderer, at least in my eyes, oh well, i dont think ur a bad person just another regulsar joe with his own life and problems of shit. I wouldn't want to abort a baby, but what if while pregnant there was a complication and they had to kill it in womb or something. Hard to say. Doesn't make abortion not murder, imo. Don't care what other people think, and you shouldn't either unless you support their view and personal journey leading to that justification.
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Alan Belcher - Sat, 15 Feb 2020 20:25:38 EST Odh4Xtei No.4960063 Reply
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>>4958597
Communist Albania banned abortion after WWII to repopulate the country faster.
This lead to a shitton of orphanages and massive infant+mother mortality rates.
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Dragon Tamer Fucking - Sun, 16 Feb 2020 15:03:28 EST R3wdU4OS No.4960351 Reply
>>4960078
LOL LETS CELEBRATE KILLING BABIES

IT DOESN'T COUNT THOUGH BECAUSE SOMEONE SAID SOME STUFF AND I FEEL LIKE IT LOL
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Dragon Tamer Fucking - Sun, 16 Feb 2020 15:06:12 EST R3wdU4OS No.4960355 Reply
>>4960353
LET'S SHIFT GOALPOSTS AND CHANGE SUBJECTS TO TRICK MY RETARDED BRAIN INTO NOT PROCESSING INFORMATION THAT UNDERMINES THE JUSTIFICATION FOR MY EMOTIONS
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Arachnaman - Sun, 16 Feb 2020 15:11:23 EST 9BM/9OmI No.4960359 Reply
>>4960355
BABIES REALLY MATTER TO ME

MORE SO THAN A WOMAN NOT WANTING TO CARRY THE FUCKING THING

YOU BETTER NOT EXPECT MY TAX DOLLARS TO GO TOWARD HELPING UNPREPARED MOTHERS THOUGH

THATS HER FAULT FOR GETTING PREGNANT AND I STOP CARING THE MOMENT IT LEAVES THE WOMB
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Dragon Tamer Fucking - Sun, 16 Feb 2020 15:26:35 EST R3wdU4OS No.4960365 Reply
>>4960359
No shit you literal mental retard
What women think doesn't matter they are retarded brainwashed whores
They have to be forced to do what's necessary, like CONTINUE LIFE ON EARTH

>LET'S KILL ALL THE BABIES SO THE RICH HAVE TOTAL POWER OVER US SINCE WE HAVE NO POWER TO NEGOTIATE OUR CIRCUMSTANCES
>PLUS I WANT TO LIVE MY LIFE LIKE ON TV AND HOW CAN I DO THAT WITH RESPONSIBILITIES LOL

everything you think is literally retarded I would put a bullet in your head with zero hesitation you fucking retarded trans
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Dragon Tamer Fucking - Sun, 16 Feb 2020 15:33:55 EST R3wdU4OS No.4960371 Reply
women are literally empty husks with almost zero free will and what little they have is all devoted to choosing a mate

they have no ability to create anything by themselves, they always need men to do the heavy lifting
notice how women have literally never invented anything important, EVER

basically all these 'feminists' and other sorts of subhuman retard that believe in 'equality' are nothing but cattle whose only purpose is slaughter
they're programmed by the elite to be suicidal and if the elite get their way they'll all be driven to kill themselves
but if free humanity wins we'll slaughter you all literally for sport to teach the new generation to be merciless against degenerates

either way you are just a worthless sack of meat that will accomplish nothing in life other than being killed because everyone with free will wants to kill you
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Dragon Tamer Fucking - Sun, 16 Feb 2020 16:36:33 EST R3wdU4OS No.4960393 Reply
>>4960378
THE GENIUS OF IT
HOW COULD ANYONE EVER THINK OF SUCH A THING?
A ONCE IN A MILLENNIA INNOVATION
JUST THINK IF THAT BITCH DIDN'T "INVENT" THAT SHIT WE COULDN'T DRIVE CARS IN THE WEATHER AND NONE OF MODERN CIVILIZATION WOULD EXIST

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