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- Mon, 29 Jun 2020 09:41:12 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5020794
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I'm a slave.
In America.
In 2020.
I'm a type-1 diabetic. The kind of diabetes you get from genetics, at zero fault of your own, which isn't curable. I don't enjoy having near-death experiences every day. I don't enjoy the 4-10 injections every fucking day... And I REALLY don't enjoy being unable to provide for myself just because of a disease I didn't ask for.

You want to talk about inequality?? Try having to pay $800-1300 EVERY month JUST for insulin, which you'd die in several days without. Try getting fired from your factory job because you were a "safety hazard," taking them to federal discrimination court, and somehow losing because you apparently ARE a safety hazard in the eyes of the government. Try looking for jobs that provide medical benefits when you've been unemployed for a year.

In ANY OTHER COUNTRY insulin is provided to type-1 diabetics by the gov't or is nearly free. But not so in America ($300+ a vial bitch, which you'll need at least 3 of each month), and because 95% of diabetics here have the other kind (the kind they brought on by life choices) insulin is expensive as FUCK in the US because Americans don't know type-1 even exists and has nothing to do with type-2 other than the fact that they incorrectly have the same name.

You want to know injustice, bitchasses? Try having your pancreas randomly fail on you right before you graduate college. I'm now a literal slave to 3 international drug corporations.

I can't afford to house or feed myself because everything goes to insulin. This isn't "oh woe is me, I can't afford a new Mercedes" this is "OMG I literally die this week if I can't get this next insulin payment."

Fuck all of you "social justice" fags - make insulin a human right and make a real difference.
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Guillaume Tirel - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 09:51:50 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5020796 Reply
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>>5020794
Let's talk about people like Alec Smith, type-1 diabetic who died in Minneapolis in 2017 because he turned 26, aged out of his mom's healthcare plan, and couldn't afford insulin for himself because he only made $36,000 / year (more than the national average income, mind you).

He wasn't killed by a redneck cop - he was killed by ACTUAL SYSTEMIC discrimination against type-1 diabetics - ACTUAL legislation which makes living in the US a literal game of death for us because some healthcare millionaires want more money and lobby to congress.

Pic related is a terrifying reality for poor type-1 diabetics ONLY in the US. This is literal slavery, but where's the outcry? Where's the demand for change and justice for us?
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Debra - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 10:34:07 EST /WpbvBEK No.5020799 Reply
>Fuck all of you "social justice" fags - make insulin a human right and make a real difference.
But SJWs already advocate free healthcare.
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Guillaume Tirel - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 10:37:18 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5020800 Reply
>>5020799
Good. Let's fucking get that shit done; my life is terrifying.
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Riccardo Giacconi - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 11:17:18 EST Amt3l3y2 No.5020806 Reply
>>5020800
Well up until now you've been pushing against them. Social justice definitely includes fairness in standard of living.

Don't worry though, millions of people just like you also just changed their mind and stopped fighting against their own self interest.

No wait. Your situation is still fucked my country is trying to privatise healthcare despite the US being 3 times as expensive per person than every other equivalent performing MEDC healthcare system
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Subcommander N'Vek - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 11:49:06 EST vDf+CLGz No.5020816 Reply
>>5020794
Can you really be this sick and this dumb? You ought to be so angry; how can you possibly devote any of this anger to the social justice movement... unless you think social justice is a charity you were left out of. It's not, btw. It takes work -- the kind of work needed to change the system and -- wait for it -- healthcare in America.
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Guillaume Tirel - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:11:13 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5020820 Reply
>>5020816
>unless you think social justice is a charity you were left out of.
It literally is.
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Mortimer Rictusgrin - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:13:33 EST cRFu+OcZ No.5020822 Reply
>>5020820
The social justice people I know ARE pissed about US healthcare and insulin. You are just literally not involved with the people who care about this stuff. It honestly sounds like you’ve never advocated for anybody else in your entire life and now you’re feeling entitled to their sympathy? Lol
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Guillaume Tirel - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:24:53 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5020829 Reply
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>>5020822
Look, it doesn't even take any effort. I'm not trying to change minds here. It costs me SO MUCH just to stay alive. I'm technically not even allowed to drive a car for having T1D in my state and loads of jobs are banned to type-1s. This isn't 'oh they don't respect me' this is 'fuck I almost died last night.' I already know I'll never get married or have kids because I just can't even provide for myself. I literally HAVE to pay $800 a month minimum (some months I've racked up $1400) just for the pleasure to inject a hormone that everyone else makes. Did I mention that insulin is super-deadly and a mere 10% higher dose than I require could insta-kill me? It's terrifying every day.

Insulin is nearly free to produce. It's a human right in every country other than the US. They just have to legislate a price cap on insulin like EVERY OTHER country. It's that easy.
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Subcommander N'Vek - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:30:32 EST vDf+CLGz No.5020832 Reply
>>5020822
Whether he feels entitled to it or not, he does have their sympathy; people are advocating for him as well as other Americans who were let down by the US healthcare system. What he's expressing can only come about from the false belief that others are reaping the rewards of social justice while he is being neglected. I'd be interested to know what exactly he thinks others are getting from these social movements that he isn't.
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Simon Cheshire - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:33:04 EST ZOL0E9tL No.5020834 Reply
>>5020829
>I'm not trying to change minds here.
Can you get to whatever the heck your point is then? It sucks to be poor. Film at 11.
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AugustusSonnercocke.uue - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:40:47 EST 7JXWX72I No.5020837 Reply
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>>5020834
he's a sick, in pain, and desperate, feeling like his issues are invisible and minimized in favour of a sweeping societal drive to give other people rights and liberties while more basic and higher priority systemic issues that other countries have solved continue to stagnate or get worse
what all of you guys are saying about general systemic reform and SJWs pushing for healthcare is true, but that's literally not the point

he's venting, and I feel for him, somehow all of you guys just want to pick up on a single thing he said at the end of a bitter post and jump on him for it though, and are surprised he's gonna respond to that hostility with hostility while already clearly furious at the world and his life
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Mortimer Rictusgrin - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:42:03 EST cRFu+OcZ No.5020839 Reply
>>5020829
Well I’m Canadian so good luck with that shit. My advice would be don’t whine about people not advocating for you when you’re not advocating for anyone else.
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Guillaume Tirel - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:47:02 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5020840 Reply
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>>5020832
>I'd be interested to know what exactly he thinks others are getting from these social movements that he isn't.
The attention of legislature and the general population. Again this is a life or death thing to me and others.
Bernie cared... RIP healthcare change.
Can someone just hook me up with a goddamn job? I have an engineering degree, internships, demo projects, and certs. It's so hard to get a job with healthcare when you live in the middle of nowhere and have been unemployed over a year.
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Guillaume Tirel - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:54:37 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5020842 Reply
>>5020837
Thank you for a more rational phrasing of my plight.
>feeling like his issues are invisible and minimized in favour of a sweeping societal drive to give other people rights and liberties while more basic and higher priority systemic issues that other countries have solved continue to stagnate or get worse
This is exactly it. I feel like my very horrifying reality is just being brushed aside while other people are absolutely shitstorming the political discourse over what seems, to me, to be relatively minor 'injustice' that is nowhere near as systemic as the injustice against my life.
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:54:45 EST iLikEToleARn No.5020843 Reply
>>5020842
For not being one of their assets in keeps introducing more zelda mechanics and fun crowds.
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Guillaume Tirel - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:56:15 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5020844 Reply
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>>5020841
Software engineering + comptia security certs and Mechanical engineering. Two muhfuggin engineering degrees I worked my ass of for that shit.
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Mortimer Rictusgrin - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:04:03 EST cRFu+OcZ No.5020848 Reply
>>5020842
Lol hoooooooly shit dude. You are not winning any empathy points from me by telling other marginalized people that they are overreacting. This is not how people make allies.
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Joret Dal - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:07:44 EST i0lwvjHm No.5020849 Reply
>>5020848
Dude shut the fuck up. You can empathize with someone's plight in spite of the fact that they said something you don't agree with. Maybe you're a little stunted.
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Guillaume Tirel - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:11:05 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5020850 Reply
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>>5020848
>You are not winning any empathy points from me by telling other marginalized people that they are overreacting.
Do you see me looting the stores owned by other type-1 diabetics? I'm pretty sure that 'other marginalized ppl' ARE overreacting in comparison. Type-1 diabetics die all the time at zero fault of their own in the US and everyone's just all like "make that insulin shit more expensive"
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Subcommander N'Vek - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:11:57 EST vDf+CLGz No.5020852 Reply
>>5020844
Good ole PVT phase diagrams.. brings me back to intro to chemical processes. Keep applying to smallest firms you can find
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Dennis Kang - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:12:52 EST /XR8LNT+ No.5020853 Reply
>>5020849
Yeah I can empathize with someone and still think they’re a fucking dick. So what?
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SidneySubbleshit.pdr - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:13:15 EST kY8QKDp1 No.5020854 Reply
>>5020850
Your whole looting violent over reaction angle is a little strange, i mean if your life is constantly threatened by your situation, why aren't you putting your life on the line?
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Dennis Kang - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:14:22 EST /XR8LNT+ No.5020857 Reply
>>5020850
>”looting”
Sooo. You think black people are over reacting for 400 years of slavery and lynching? And you’re pissed they aren’t fighting for you?
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Subcommander N'Vek - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:17:24 EST vDf+CLGz No.5020859 Reply
>More social activism for minorities leaves less for me

The thread.
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Phyllis Pusslefuck - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:17:32 EST ynaf54yu No.5020860 Reply
>>5020840
Computer networks and system administration my friend. Very low barrier to entry. If anyone asks if you know what youre doing just say "yes". Dont worry about breaking anything. Nothing matters, and you can probably convince the ckient it qas THEIR fault and THEY should pay you to fix what you actually broke.
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Guillaume Tirel - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:17:53 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5020861 Reply
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>>5020849
>>5020846
>>5020851
Right on.
>>5020852
Yeah I love all that thermodynamics and phase-change shit.
I've also spent hundreds of hours standing in front of bridgeports and lathes crankin' shit out.
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Guillaume Tirel - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:24:02 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5020863 Reply
>>5020857
Look, I live literally within 2 miles from the National Memorial for Peace and Justice (AKA The 'lynching museum,') I'm a white guy in a majority-black population. There are black ppl everywhere in my world and they have mansions and shit man I just want to survive.
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:24:07 EST iLikEToleARn No.5020864 Reply
>>5020863
One day that's all that trash attempt at a museum about the game than not a big deal would take a look back to saudi arabia show coming in second hour as well.
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Arya Stark - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:29:35 EST Chr3HTu6 No.5020865 Reply
>Fuck all of you "social justice" fags - make insulin a human right and make a real difference.

you know people on the left have been arguing that insulin should be free for a while now right? idk why you're being belligerent to the only political faction in america that has drawn significant attention to the issue. we're on your side, man. i'm not an intersectionalista, but one of the "intersecting oppressions" of intersectionality is disability, which diabetes and other chronic illnesses count as. even the most SJ of the SJ crowd are with you, bro.

come join the hugbox dude. don't be afraid.
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SidneySubbleshit.pdr - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:30:15 EST kY8QKDp1 No.5020866 Reply
>>5020863
i mean if you live in the south, mexico has way cheaper insulin. but you probably know that
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Amuro Ray - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 13:55:24 EST IbYPv1Dw No.5020869 Reply
>>5020794
Come to Germany you only pay 5$ for a month supply. If you get your supply weekly you pay 20$/month.
100% health insurance coverage of doctor visits which includes dentists and other specialists.
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Jorge Santiago - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 14:13:46 EST 5toZOPAH No.5020877 Reply
We need to prohibit diabetifatass from going to mexico and buying cheap insulin. If you can't buy AMERICAN then maybe you deserve to be terminated by diabetic coma.
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Guillaume Tirel - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 14:48:27 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5020884 Reply
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>>5020877
you see this shit??!
REAL inequality.
They don't even understand that type-1 is a different thing entirely from type-2 which IS caused by self-imposesssions. They have the same name but type-1 is much more horrifying, much harder to live with and such but because the word 'diabetes;
ppl think its the same disease goddamn yall.
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Simon Cheshire - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 14:53:03 EST ZOL0E9tL No.5020888 Reply
>>5020837
That was the first thing I've said in this thread. People are gonna tell you to get fucked if you slag them off and tell them how they feel. "Fuck the sjws, they don't believe in health care reform" is an intellectually deficient troll.
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Simon Cheshire - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 14:53:46 EST ZOL0E9tL No.5020889 Reply
>>5020884
>you see this shit??!
Dumb fucks like you chomping at bait? Every day.
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Keith Jardine - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:17:04 EST 32u2rsMY No.5020893 Reply
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Check overseas online pharmacies. I know someone who was paying like $270 a piece for some special eyedrops until i mentioned this and i think he only pays like $16 plus shipping now.

Just do your due diligence in researching them, you want an actual legit pharmacy, and there are some scams out there too.
Canada isn't the cheapest, but there are a lot of them there with good reputation that is imo is worth paying a little extra for.
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Dennis Kang - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:29:21 EST /XR8LNT+ No.5020896 Reply
>>5020859
You know, you agree with everything i post through a VPN, but on my main ID you fucking hate my guts. Maybe we aren't so different
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Guillaume Tirel - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:39:56 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5020898 Reply
>>5020893
The solution is piracy?
No, the solution is $20 insulin and less discrimination against diabetic employees.
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Guillaume Tirel - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 17:01:43 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5020929 Reply
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>>5020913
Fuck VPNs that's just numbers bullshit for money. Just be who you be. It's plain to see that we all ain't free.
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Hannes Alven - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 17:15:38 EST UwkP2sTI No.5020938 Reply
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>>5020898
I'm trying to sympathize with you, but tearing other people's problems down doesn't help your case at all. It's like the guy who says "$15/hr minimum wage? That's bullshit! I'm a firefighter and I get paid $15/hr! They don't deserve it just for flipping burgers!," when in reality, the firefighter should be asking themselves why the minimum wage isn't $15/hr AND why the firefighter is only getting paid $15/hr.

The SJW Left aren't your enemy. You're being petty and lashing out and any and everyone you can get attention from. The people you're shitposting about are the ones that actually want healthcare for all/affordable healthcare.

I think I saw you post in the thread the other day about leaving the US, where I discussed my plans to leave for Belarus. No joke you should look into moving literally anywhere, anywhere else where you can afford your insulin AND have way less competent competition for jobs. I'm not trolling or kidding.

Right now, I'm settling my work visa applications for Mexico, Belarus, and Cambodia. If Belarus rejects me, I'm going to try Bulgaria. Those are the only countries we can get into right now. If you can afford $3000 deposit, COVID-19 test within 72hr of flight, a plane ticket to Phnom Penh Cambodia (right now about ~$800-1200 one way, used to be ~$500-650), and if anyone tests positive on the plane, you get 14 day quarantines for a cost of about $1000 all included.

BUT, once you're in, you basically get guaranteed work visas for 1+ years long, and no joke you can survive off just ~$550-750/mo TOTAL for all living expenses including insulin and rent there, whilst making $7-15+/hr without really trying if you work as a teacher, a scuba diving instructor, or any other "white monkey job" as they call them.

If you want real help and guidance, just ask and I can provide youtube channels where you can get a start at looking into the Nomad Capitalist lifestyle (for normal people, not the super rich).

YES, healthcare should be a human right in America, but it's NOT, and it's not going to be any damn time soon. You're spending ~$750-1250/mo on insulin alone when you COULD live in over half of the world for that cost ALONE for all living costs included!

Dude, use your whiteness and 1st world privilege to your advantage. Go where the insulin is cheap, along with everything else in life, whilst also having a HUGE educational and linguistic advantage over ~80% of your job competitors.

Let me know if you want help looking into this. If you just want to bitch forever instead, then just say so and I'll not try to help.
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Guillaume Tirel - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 17:47:02 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5020957 Reply
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>>5020938
I don't have a car, I can't go anywhere and do anything. Ive spent so much time applying to jobs only to be rejected. So your whole point is moot. my body is dying of sugary death.
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Beatrice Crimblelat - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:18:21 EST WJXCbysQ No.5020965 Reply
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>>5020898
The solution is to seize the means of production.
Failing that, ban profit.
Failing that, limit profit to a percent of expenses.
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SidneySubbleshit.pdr - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:25:09 EST kY8QKDp1 No.5020967 Reply
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>>5020957
have you tried keeping it real, packing steel, getting high, cause life's a bitch and then you die?
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Rancher Jack - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:47:14 EST K5QsklBC No.5020972 Reply
>>5020957
>So your whole point is moot

I was with you the entire thread but now you really do seem like a dick and like you should've posted on /qq instead, because you're unwilling to even seriously consider advice.
Sell your shit, get someone to drive you if you don't have a license. I've travelled from Melbourne to Cairns for free as homeless, and you probably look a lot more presentable than what I did.
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Juggler Sidney - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 19:26:29 EST DfxpdaU8 No.5020983 Reply
>>5020972
>homeless when chained to insulin injections
not him but you're an idiot. Traveling kid lifestyle works when you're young and reasonably fit enough to walk between major intersections looking for rides and aren't reliant on America's pharmacy system. Presentability has fuck all to do with it; if anything, you get a higher chance of people taking pity on you or giving you cash when you look miserable as a youth. One major insulin shock on the road and he's dead.
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Toshiko Sato - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 01:16:58 EST jFMQXDRB No.5021096 Reply
>>5021080
Uh dude insulin is always a factor. There is no "insulin" free diet this isn't trans fats or gluten over here.
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Ichigo Kurosaki - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 01:20:25 EST JAabUWi9 No.5021097 Reply
>>5021096
he posted a shill blog that sells (through external websites) books, coaching, and supplements (the unholy trinity of woo). don't engage.
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Medium Henry - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 02:30:47 EST 3Cr0F64A No.5021111 Reply
WHO (you know, those guys that the president doesn't like) says that drugs are human rights, && medical care.

So take it up with your local rep, you can find your senator and congressperson online pretty easily.

Try these folks, and sorry if I'm being obvious and a google search away

https://www.insulinhelp.org/

Mandatory access to any drug a person desires is my platform. It is the equivalent of open source.
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Jon Fitch - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 04:42:59 EST HGwITWea No.5021129 Reply
You're saying the masses should subsidize genetic defects? Why?
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Ludovic Lefebvre - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 04:54:39 EST P0Nn2Jri No.5021130 Reply
>>5021129
Every living thing has genetic defects.

Including and especially you.
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Kazuma Kiryu - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 05:01:27 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5021131 Reply
>You're saying the masses should subsidize genetic defects? Why?
This is the sad state of America today = violence.
and that's just fucked-up.
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SidneyTootbury.fnt - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 02:11:46 EST DFhR3fBo No.5021986 Reply
>>5021129
Yes he is. Stephen Hawking was defective too, maybe we'll have defective geniuses. I'm against universal healthcare because obesity is preventable but everyone just gets fat anyway. I don't really mind for non preventable disease but not fucking obesity which is optional.
>>5020829
Why don't you just import it refrigerated or if it's nearly free to produce, why haven't you made any on your own? I got insulin from Walmart for $30 a vial with no insurance. What's the issue? https://diabetesstrong.com/walmart-insulin/
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Melissa d'Arabian - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 02:19:39 EST tWa0MEO6 No.5021987 Reply
Been there with insurance, timing around end of college or whenever, and medical adjustments. Cost and injections suck but I've gotten used to it. The pump could also be an option.

I would stay away from Walmart insulin and ask for support on different options that can cut costs without reducing quality of your care, and wouldn't recommend Keto. It isn't easy, but survival is important. Keep a clear head.
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Emma Dodgeson - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 03:15:16 EST 2SXKQHl6 No.5021993 Reply
America runs on medical problems
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Winthorp Curmudgeon - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 07:52:03 EST ZLi0zWLw No.5022026 Reply
>>5021080

You know, doctors used to diagnose diabetics by the sickly-sweet odor of their ketone-laden urine. This was called, "taking the piss". Diabetics depend on insulin to rescue their bodies from the damage caused by runaway ketogenesis, you fucking ignoramus. Go be new age in the goddamn woods instead of on the internet built by MEN of SCIENCE.
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Edward Pickering - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 08:27:25 EST uayIUcwi No.5022031 Reply
>>5022026
When you know what you're saying is bullshit, you say it in an aggressive way so that people are less likely to challenge you, and if they do, you just ramp up the anger. This is what turns people off about you.
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Geraldine Mcgurk - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 08:28:21 EST 5vxspRpi No.5022032 Reply
/we/ bwqq thread nb bitch up
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SidneyTootbury.fnt - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 08:36:29 EST DFhR3fBo No.5022033 Reply
>>5021987
>I would stay away from Walmart insulin
>wouldn't recommend Keto
Why?
>>5022026
Diabetics don't need insulin if you don't eat sugar retard. You sound like an angry SJW but you're parroting corporate shilling.
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Mike Hunt - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 08:47:30 EST WJXCbysQ No.5022034 Reply
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>>5021986
>I got insulin from Walmart for $30 a vial with no insurance
Synthetic vs animal insulin.
If OP tries to use walmart insulin, he will die.
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Edward Pickering - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 08:49:58 EST uayIUcwi No.5022035 Reply
>>5022033
Read:
When you know what you're saying is bullshit, you say it in an aggressive way so that people are less likely to challenge you, and if they do, you just ramp up the anger. This is what turns people off about you.
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SidneyTootbury.fnt - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:00:41 EST DFhR3fBo No.5022036 Reply
>>5022034
No he won't. There's no clinical studies that show this. There is nothing wrong with synthetic insulin. Nothing. He will not die, he will at best calm the fuck down and stop being butthurt.
>>5022035
Read:
>When you post something irrelevant to a post that isn't addressed to you
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Ken Shamrock - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:34:46 EST HieqbbyR No.5022042 Reply
aren't these patents supposed to expire after like 2 weeks/
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Mike Hunt - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:35:19 EST WJXCbysQ No.5022043 Reply
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>>5022036
Humalog is synthetic insulin.
People have literally died because they did what you're suggesting: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/diabetes-josh-wilkerson-death-age-counter-insulin-cost-lost-private-health-insurance-american-doctor-a9039656.html

Also, type-2 diabetics can live without insulin if they manage their diets correctly, Type-1 diabetics cannot.
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Paul Bocuse - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:57:38 EST y0YEQOw8 No.5022051 Reply
>>5022036
LMAO...aboslute fucking nonsense and you just aggressively attack others as a smokescreen. Fuck off, science-denier.
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Aida Mollenkamp - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 13:21:14 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5022109 Reply
>>5022036
Insulins all have different 'per-dose' effectivenesses and active times. It's a fucking science to match dose with food and activity as a T1D. Swapping insulins is dangerous because you've gotta experiment and see what doses you need, but, again, insulin itself is deadly as fuck.
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Mike Hunt - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 14:21:16 EST WJXCbysQ No.5022133 Reply
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>>5022059
That is a study on Humalog.
Humalog costs hundreds of dollars a vial.
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William Fowler - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 15:02:07 EST LEbIZQTc No.5022152 Reply
>>5021080
>>5021097
>>5021987
>>5022026

>https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/11/5/962/htm

"[87], some authors reported benefits with carbohydrate restriction in patients with T1D, in term of both blood glucose fluctuations"

" In contrast [To a Low Carb Diet], in an observational study on 11 adult patients with T1D who followed a KD (<55 g of carbohydrates), the KD was associated with good HbA1c levels and reduced glucose variability, but also with dyslipidemia and an increased frequency of hypoglycemic events [94] In the case report by Toth C. et al. [95], ketogenic paleolithic diet was proposed in a 19-years-old male with newly diagnosed T1DM and resulted in normalization of glucose levels, increased C-peptide levels and increased triglycerides and LDL cholesterol."

That feel when one is so inundated by 'mah education' that one can't imagine scenarios outside of the suggested.
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Thomas Henderson - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 15:44:26 EST 85jkdlqD No.5022182 Reply
>>5022152

“ In type 1 diabetes, there is no present evidence that an LCD or a KD can delay or prevent the onset of the disease. These diets have the potential to improve metabolic control, but caution is needed because of the risk of DKA, of worsening the lipid profile and, in children, the unknown impact on growth.”

“ In conclusion, LCD and KD can be effective options in patients with obesity and/or type 2 diabetes, although they are not the only available dietary approach for such patients. In any diet, LCD and KD should be tailored to individual needs and patients should be followed for an extended period of time. The use of those diets in patients with type 1 diabetes is still controversial and their long-term safety is still unproven.”

Herp fucking derp dude
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Thomas Henderson - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 15:45:55 EST 85jkdlqD No.5022184 Reply
>>5022152
> increased C-peptide levels and increased triglycerides and LDL cholesterol

This is not a good thing. That’s heart disease happening.
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Lupaza - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 15:54:10 EST jFMQXDRB No.5022186 Reply
>>5022152
Dude like I don't think anybody here said carbs are good for diabetics just that many people with T1D would still require insulin regardless of diet. I think keto is cool but it isn't really a miracle that is going to cure diabetics. There are different levels of T1D. Some people don't produce any insulin at all which is like uhh required to like live and shit regardless of how many GOOD FATS AND LEAN PROTEINS you eat. The liver will make glucose all by it's little self glucose production and secretion by the liver is strongly inhibited by high concentrations of insulin in the blood. Do you even ATP bro?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenosine_triphosphate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis

Also did you even read that study you posted or just cherry pick something that helped your argument. holy shit




That feel when one is so inundated by bro science' that one can't imagine scenarios outside of the suggested
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Karl Jansky - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 15:57:56 EST vDf+CLGz No.5022189 Reply
>>5022186
>Dude like I don't think anybody here said carbs are good for diabetics

>carbs are good for diabetics

Checkmate.
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William Fowler - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:52:39 EST LEbIZQTc No.5022215 Reply
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>>5022186

Introducing a very low carbohydrate diet for a child with type 1 diabetes.
By: de Souza Bosco Paiva, Caroline, Lima, Maria Helena Melo, British Journal of Nursing, 09660461, 8/8/2019, Vol. 28, Issue 15

TL;DR

"A very low carbohydrate diet (VLCD) (<30 g of carbohydrate/day) had a positive impact, without side effects, on the glycaemic control of a 5-year-old child recently diagnosed with type 1 diabetes

A VLCD normalised HbA1c, stabilised blood glucose levels, and kept blood glucose fluctuations in range most of the time

Basal and rapid-acting insulin daily average dosages could be reduced within days after the introduction of the VLCD

Future studies should follow children with type 1 diabetes of different ages, and verify how a VLCD impacts child development"

Selected excerpts

"Therefore, monitoring of carbohydrate intake, a major determinant of postprandial blood glucose, is a key strategy for achieving good blood glucose control and preventing complications ([29])."

"A person with diabetes should choose low-glycaemic-index and nutrient-dense foods because they will not cause blood glucose levels to increase much ([24]). Despite whole grains being regarded as an important source of dietary fibre, and their consumption being encouraged, they also have high glycaemic index, and substitution of white-wheat for wholemeal wheat in bread and pasta does not lead to reduced postprandial blood glucose levels ([21]). In contrast, a very low carbohydrate diet (VLCD) is an easy way to control glucose levels because it causes only a small increase in blood glucose levels at each meal ([20])."

Case study

"The patient was a 5-year-old boy who was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes at the age of 4 years and 9 months. Before being hospitalised, he showed symptoms of diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA), such as thirst, polyuria, vomiting, and fast weight loss. Symptoms appeared about 1 month before the diagnosis. At his diagnosis, on 27 August 2018, his blood glucose was above 600 mg/dL (33.3 mmol/L), and his C-peptide level was at 0.3 ng/ml. He was put on insulin-replacement therapy to cover 50 g of carbohydrate per meal plus 10-15 g of carbohydrate at each snack. The recommendation was to use 0.5 units of rapid-acting insulin to cover every 20 g of carbohydrate, combined with a daily 5.5-unit dose of basal insulin. He was discharged from the hospital on 30 August."

"On 4 September, at his first appointment with the nurse diabetes educator, his blood glucose was 176 mg/dL (9.7 mmol/L) and his HbA1c 10.9%. After 2 weeks unsuccessfully following the physician's recommendations, his mother was inspired by an article by [19], which showed excellent blood glucose control with a VLCD of 30 g of carbohydrate a day, and decided to reduce his carbohydrate intake accordingly."

"The VLCD described in Lennerz's article consists of 30 g of carbohydrate daily derived from fibrous vegetables and nuts with a low glycaemic index. In this case, high-protein foods with associated fat were substituted for carbohydrates and adjusted on the basis of outcomes, including glycaemic control and weight. To ensure adequate nutrient intake, the amount of protein was increased until the child felt satisfied after meals. The macronutrient distribution of the child's diet became: 70 g of protein, 30 g of carbohydrate and 55 g of fat per day."

Data collection

"The carbohydrate content of every meal, as well insulin intake, were documented from August 2018 to February 2019 on an Excel spreadsheet. Blood glucose readings (mg/dL) were recorded using a Dexcom G6 (a CGM) and a Freestyle Lite glucometer. HbA1c values were obtained from routine clinical monitoring. The app FatSecret was used to collect information about carbohydrate counting. The case study was approved by the Ethics Committee of the University of Campinas (CAAE: 09131319.7.0000.5404). Both parents provided written informed consent for the study and publication of this article."

"Fortunately, there is evidence of alternative approaches that have resulted in consistently lower HbA1c levels. In the study by [19], the mean HbA1c achieved by study participants was 5.67 % (36 g of carbohydrate daily). In addition to improved HbA1c rates, other benefits were observed, such as fewer hospitalisations (only 2% over the previous 12 months), lower numbers of hypoglycaemic events, much lower rates of complications, much lower usage of insulin and other medications, and higher levels of satisfaction with health and diabetes control."

"Unrestricted consumption of carbohydrates, even covered by a corresponding insulin dosage, is proving to be a dangerous and ineffective way of lowering HbA1c"

"Although no specific diet for people with diabetes exists, avoiding refined sugar and processed foods, and lowering carbohydrate intake have been shown to be an excellent alternative to intensive insulin therapy."

Where is your evidence?
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Ken Shamrock - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 17:38:31 EST HieqbbyR No.5022219 Reply
>>5022215
that's how this off the grid dude who was allowed lenience to build a shack on my dad's property gets by.

i think he calls it watching what he eats, maybe you will have a better time selling it if you drop the fagdom.
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Aida Mollenkamp - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 17:49:14 EST Rp7PbGv5 No.5022221 Reply
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>>5022215
Yeah man, nuts, meats, and veggies are what I eat... But they make me a fucking ANIMAL. And that's an issue...
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William Fowler - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:16:20 EST LEbIZQTc No.5022233 Reply
>>5022219

I got a data monopoly right now, get at me. Had to deal with some consensus non-think before you even bother replying. "lol just watch what you eat brah" Yeah, and the world health organization says to watch my meat, dairy, and fat intake or I'll get heart disease. Empirical evidence will trump hear say any day.

Or just get the 'betes and then inject yourself with insulin.
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Lupaza - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 19:05:45 EST jFMQXDRB No.5022247 Reply
>>5022215
>A person with diabetes should choose low-glycaemic-index and nutrient-dense foods because they will not cause blood glucose levels to increase much
>much lower usage of insulin and other medications
>alternative to intensive insulin therapy.
>intensive insulin
>intensive

lol there is my evidence your evidence
>>5022189
Fuck man you got me gg but you're a little defensive
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Bartholomew Kuma - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 20:24:35 EST QmqLWc1F No.5022273 Reply
>>5022237
>I cannot pay rent
>oh just pull yourself up by bootstraps oh, here go take money you don't have and invest into some such ponzi scheme
Capitalism should be totally destroyed
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Neil Strongweed - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 21:01:08 EST DFhR3fBo No.5022290 Reply
>>5022133
>Walmart sells synthetic insulin
>humalog is synthetic insulin
>one person took it and died so everyone will die if they take it
>humalog costs thousands of dollars
I've had enough of your fake news Mike
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Sho Minamimoto - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:44:07 EST 1/uX/Qse No.5022568 Reply
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>>5022511
Yo, I'm a fucking warrior.
Ever since I got T1D I will steal, rape, kill, plunder, whatever it takes to survive.
Laws mean nothing to me when my life is on the line and I live in the once country that disrespects diabetics.

>Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers.
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Yves Edwards - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 15:14:27 EST jFMQXDRB No.5022575 Reply
>>5022569
Oh shit are you on the lamb because of all the heinous insulin crimes you have committed?
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Shaun Hastings - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 15:17:58 EST AsAJVPeX No.5022577 Reply
Get out of that USA shithole lol

Seriously, become citizen of another state, because living in the USA literally has no perks: shitty food, shitty politics, shitty healthcare. Why would anyone in their right mind remain there, if it weren't to stay close to their family?

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