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- Fri, 29 Nov 2019 19:07:10 EST jGaHMVL1 No.147778
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Sup dudes

Got a script for 30mg tammies but haven't taken anything other than phenergan and trazodone and syrup for insomnia before. I haven't been honest with my doctor because of mah jerb and shit but is it a good idea to get on benzos if you have no tolerance for sleeping pills atm and are suicidal with a past history of extreme paranoia and probably latent schizophrenia like 7ish years ago?

I'm thinking this is a bad idea but aside from niquil and phenergan, sleeping drugs don't work for me. I'm thinking starting 30mg of temazepam is a bad idea. Doc keeps saying I'm bipolar but I don't think that is the case at all. I'm just depressed as fuck and stay up for 30-40 hours at a time and cycle on and off between sleeping a lot and none.

I'll be honest, benzo's scare me a bit and I've been with fucked up sleep systems or whatever for over a decade so I handle it very well. Afraid I might be going down a road to severe drug addiction, I don't have nothing left to lose and am already suicidal and don't give a fuck. Should I just toss em and say they make me sick or some other lie? I wasn't complaining about insomnia or being tired and shit, the doc just threw them at me like trick or treat candy, along with a lot of other antipsychotics and antidepressants. I've been on about 10 different drugs so far and they all make me feel like shit or make me skittish as fuck.

Sorry if /qq/, I just trust the wise wisdom of 420chan psychonauts

Also, you guys familiar with navane?
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Ebenezer Drondlebury - Wed, 04 Dec 2019 19:10:15 EST 4HCo1Vnc No.147830 Reply
I'd argue with Katz. If they dont perfectly float your boat, leave while youre ahead. Alternatively if youre going to keep taking rx pills.... Ambien might help, unlike benzos which put you in a coma, it actually puts you to sleep.

And yes, if you are into collecting drugs, temazepam is a great drug to stockpile/sell.
Dont take benzos to get high, thats full retard buisness. Take them to be straight.

You sound bipolar 2, not bipolar 1. 600-1200mg NAC and 1500mg ALCAR /day completely stopped my bipolar 2 mood cycling btw. Other therapies eventually cured it.
dr. m - Thu, 05 Dec 2019 00:24:54 EST Rt3E2wAH No.147834 Reply
When you differentiated between bipolar 1 and 2, were you referring to me or OP?


Flunitrazepam Recreational Value

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!wjzl7eIsPk - Thu, 05 Dec 2019 23:32:15 EST RP/8r/hj No.147840
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So I have another opportunity to get some 1mg Flunitrazepam ( Rohypnol ) again with the Xanax I’ll be grabbing .

Am interested in hearing people’s opinions / experience with the stuff ?
Tryna see if it’s worth it coz I got just 2 last time and had been told my people it’s fun as shit but obviously potent so I only took 1 x 1mg pill on different nights and don’t remember feeling all that much , if anything the Xanax did the job .

So yes , is it worth trying again with more at a higher dose ?
They’re just a bit pricey and I didn’t find all that much experiences on the interwebs .

Thanks in advance fellow benzheads .
Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Fri, 06 Dec 2019 00:50:14 EST 6fGmZV4r No.147842 Reply
I wish I could chime in, but flunitrazepam is no longer sold in the U.S. and has not been for 20+ years.

Now, I'm not a god damned Aussie but this journal lists 1-2mg flunitrazepam as equivalent to 5mg diazepam. Now, I'm not saying to get zooted as shit and pop 10mg flunitrazepam like there's no tomorrow, but the dosage could definitely be raised.

And truly, many of the date rape horror stories were happening with drugs other than flunitrazepam. Damn shame.
Charles Greenstock - Sun, 08 Dec 2019 05:16:38 EST 4HCo1Vnc No.147869 Reply
Interesting, this ranks 5mg diazepam as DANK compared to other benzos. Personally I agree, or at least 5mg diaz relatively gets my rocks off. Lots of people say they feel almost nothing from it though, even when they would enjoy 1mg alpraz.
I guess some lists dont account for the diazepam's long duration and metabolites, just its initial obvious effect.
Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Sun, 08 Dec 2019 14:01:48 EST B6STmp5H No.147870 Reply
Do you have any experience with Nitrazepam (Mogodon)? I would feign a guess they feel somewhat similar. I think of it kind of like how diamorphine is the morphine molecule with a couple additional molecules so maybe Rohypnol breaks through the blood brain barrier quicker and/or has an even longer half life or faster onset than Nitrazepam. Couldn't say though.. I have lots of experience with Nitrazepam and it's one of my all time favorite benzos but it's a rare treat. If I take 30mg and haven't been too much of a pig with other benzos I get that first time Valium type euphoria.

Bump While Benz'd (BWB): Blackouts, Brown-outs, Medicinal Successes, and Collective Amnesia, Pt. IX

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!KqgSR25gAQ - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 07:02:45 EST wsOFceLF No.147800
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The old thread is not only no longer bumping, but is also out of date (Summer is long gone for those of us north of the equator). Several posters over the past couple of years have really stressed the importance of harm reduction and tapering guides to be pinned to the top of the board, but I have never seen any harm reduction thread pinned to the top of /benz/. As such, post when you're on benzos, have benzo or GABAergic questions not deemed suitable for their own thread(s), and whatever else you can conceive of when discussing benzodiazepines and their related drugs.

I would be remiss not to mention this thread, and board, are home to discussions of not only benzodiazepines, but also barbiturates, thienodiazepines (e.g. etizolam), RC benzos, gabapentin, pregabalin, Soma (carisoprodol), GHB and related analogues, phenibut, and other GABAergic drugs.

For the sake of safety, refer to the Ashton Manual for dosage conversions, medically advised tapering schedules, and other benzo-related facts (e.g. half-life, active metabolites, etc.). The Ashton Manual is essentially the benzo bible: https://benzo.org.uk/manual/index.htm

Medically safe rapid tapers involve a 10% dosage reduction per week or even per month. A modified version of this taper is to reduce dosages by a maximum of 10% per week (or month) until reaching 20% of the initial daily dosage. Upon reaching 20% of the original dosage, a person can then taper by 5% per week (or month) until their taper is complete. The main goal of tapering is to continue decreasing doses or at least remain at the same dosage for an extra few weeks or months rather than increase dosage. Tapering is a long and potentially deadly process with horrid withdrawal symptoms that can be mitigated by following medical guidelines and sticking to empirically reviewed taper schedules. Harvard University published a succinct, yet informative piece regarding CDC- and FDA-related guidelines for opioid tapering, which can be utilized for tapering benzos: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/undoing-the-harm-tapering-down-from-high-dose-opioids-2019051016622

BWB: 30mg diazepam, 20mg hydrocodone, 150mg hydroxyzine, 30mg cyclobenzaprine, and a glass of wine. I'm about to take 10mg zolpidem and pass out.
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High Strung - Sat, 07 Dec 2019 14:30:59 EST /Jw4qVap No.147865 Reply
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-Woke up at 1:00pm cuz I I have nothing (NOTHING) to do this weekend
-Threw on my sweatpants, sweatshirts, and a bed robe and head to McDonalds
-Get home, start gnoshin' down
>4mg Clonazepam
>0.5mg Alprazolam
-2 tall Monster White energy drinks

It's a good day to chill and just space out to the Christmas tree and chat with my friends in China. Hope everyone stays laid back today.
McKush - Sat, 07 Dec 2019 22:58:01 EST fs5aF+hM No.147867 Reply
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It turns out (900mg) gabapentin plus (260mg) Dxm feels like a better version of alcohol. I can't type. Yup, definitely no sleep tonight until the morning.

Dr. katz idk what the point is in taking that amount of hydroxyzine and cyclobenzaprine. I guess the cyclobenzaprine sedative effects go away after awhile.
Also, everyone on /weed is crazy. I actually feel very drunk-like.
High Strung - Sun, 08 Dec 2019 00:17:22 EST /Jw4qVap No.147868 Reply
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Indeed! As a fellow academic, benzo enthusiast, and love of cannabis, I am always flabbergasted as to how Dr. Katz is able to function in every day life while taking that many drugs multiple times a day. Having a wife, a day job, having excellent grades in school.... with a drug intake like that, I'd be completely HURR DURR DURR 24/7.

Anyways, I'm wrapping getting ready for bed around midnight with:
>4mg Clonazepam

-Vita Coco extra large bottle to watch it (and my other psych meds) down
-Tang Dynasty Chinese classic muisc ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWPS0AZKUeo ) if you wanna give it a spin
-In my robe and wrapped in a blanket reading a good book about the Chinese Civil War.

Perfect way to end an uneventful Saturday night.

Extended W/D & PAWS

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- Sun, 01 Dec 2019 21:41:39 EST c0naBhCl No.147796
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So my mom, who was taking 4-6mg prescription alp as needed for nearly a decade, lost her quacky family doc when the DEA charged him for all sorts of shady shit. Couldn't even get her last refill. I almost immediately put her on a diclaz taper, since she couldn't afford detox, and now 3 weeks in she's doing better, but not the best.

She's been out of work since. Hasn't left the house once. Complains of not sleeping properly, so I got her on a bunch of my supplements (melatonin, NAC, etc.) I've been through my hell with RC benzos in the past, so I kinda know how it feels--but not to that extent. I feel terrible for her! She thinks she's never gonna be normal again..

I'm at my wit's end here. Knew this was gonna happen someday. Is there anything else that might help in specific? Or must she continue to ride this out? Thanks
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Martha Gicklebane - Wed, 04 Dec 2019 17:44:18 EST c0naBhCl No.147829 Reply
Forgot to mention she was on 8mg/day for a while too before she stepped down a bit. Same doc had me on the same dosage years ago, but I'd wind up eating my scripts early and doing retarded shit before I got caught on RC's. You know how it goes.

Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Fri, 06 Dec 2019 01:31:04 EST 6fGmZV4r No.147845 Reply
FUCK. Is your mom eligible for Medicaid (or Medicare, age depending)?

At least you have the knowledge, insight, and resources to help your mother through the worst of the withdrawals. The intense rebound anxiety and irritability can sometimes be present even with the best of tapers. FUCK! I wish, or someone researching benzo withdrawal, could provide a better answer as to what needs to be done to facilitate the best possible care for your mom.

>Diclazeapm is extremely subtle for both of us; feels nothing like how I remember Ativan
Not to the same extent, but I agree. Diclazepam and lorazepam (Ativan) are incredibly similar, but the drugs do not feel 100% the same as one another. I feel like the suppression of nausea is more pronounced with lorazepam. Diclazepam also feels more subtle at medicinal and recreational dosages, but also has a "dumber" feeling as my memory was shot on 4 to 8mg diclazepam, but next to normal on the same dosage of lorazepam.

>nice to just get it off my chest without us being labeled as drug-seekers crying the blues ffs
I hear ya! Medicine has become increasingly more stringent and exclusionary with the harsh laws for prescribing opioids and now many of the same ideologies are underneath the "benzo epidemic."
The opioid epidemic is not strictly due to over-prescribing, but more so street/illicit usage. And, the same applies for benzos. No one is out here dying from taking 3mg alprazolam and having a shot of vodka, but plenty of people are dying from counterfeit bars containing 3mg fentanyl (or a fentanyl analogue) with or without booze.

DAMN. To my knowledge, 2mg administered 4x througout the day (8mg total) is the highest recommended alprazolam dosage suggested by the medical community and drug companies. God damn.

>you know how it goes
Certainly. I've definitely pushed my luck in some cases, but someone came out better than my friends—not to shit on anyone. I think I just lucked the fuck out.
dr. m - Sat, 07 Dec 2019 20:28:08 EST Rt3E2wAH No.147866 Reply
jsyk, at least 5 states chose not to expand medicaid even with the fed gov't offering to pay for 90% of it. I've seen you write as if you truly believe there's always some way to get insurance. Unless that "some way" is flipping half your script counts just to pay for the visits themselves, it's just not accurate.

Anyone else redose in an unhealthy way,?

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- Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:32:02 EST IErahAwd No.147410
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Like get 50 bars, (probably over 2mg honestly ) good presses but you wake up on Sunday at 3pm and find out your gf walked out after my blackout ass tried to smack her at 3 am over her doing last of the kratom. Don't give me no clam either, that shit almost killed me bro. Any bar tards have any tips on not to over do it?
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Beatrice Dartspear - Thu, 05 Dec 2019 13:07:15 EST cPeAbnkX No.147838 Reply
How long do you think it would tale to taper down from 30mg diazepam and not have fits?

I had two fits in a row over a yesr ago and im sure it was due to pressed bars, i know i shouldnt have touched benzos again but im a retard

Ive taken 15mg today.
Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Fri, 06 Dec 2019 00:09:39 EST 6fGmZV4r No.147841 Reply
The Ashton Manual indicates to not decrease dosages by more than 5% every two to four weeks.
However, a medically safe rapid taper would involve a 10% dosage reduction per week until you reach 20% of your original dosage (6mg in this case). Once you are at 20% of your original daily dosage, then you can taper by only 5% per week until your taper is through.
Some people stress medically safe rapid tapers, many call the Ashton Manual the bible of benzo tapering schedules, and a minority of users who correctly taper will create their own schedule (e.g. 1% dosage reduction per week or 10% reduction every 2-4 weeks with a week to acclimate to BID versus TID administration).
In reality you could also just reduce by 10% per week and stop your taper after 10 weeks.
Due to past withdrawal and seizures, I would strongly recommend a slower taper and seeking professional medical supervision.
Hamilton Brookway - Sat, 07 Dec 2019 12:15:08 EST cPeAbnkX No.147864 Reply
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My last fits were from "xanax bars" from dark web, I made a thread about it a good few months ago and people seemed surprised that i h ad two generalised seizures after w hat i'd taken.

The first one I had prodromal feelings the second one was just out of the blue, but prior to the fits i hadn't had any in at LEAST a week and I hand't felt any withdrawl, or rebound anxiety or anything, it was just suddenly one day walkintg wi th my friend and bam, seizure, then about 10hrs later, bam, another seizure

I hate myself for getting back into benzos and it's not an excuse i should be trying to deal with my loss better i hope venlafaxine starts helping.

benzo scumbag ranking

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- Sat, 07 Dec 2019 00:11:27 EST W+7+P+0U No.147851
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in your location or social circle, where does benzo usage rank on the scumbag ranking as compared to other drugs?

do you get shit from people around you for using them, and have you lost any friends as a result?
Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Sat, 07 Dec 2019 04:48:05 EST 6fGmZV4r No.147854 Reply
Most of my friends, colleagues, and peers at this point in life have barely tried drugs or drank to excess.

Previously though, I would say benzos were way too common in my social circle. Fucking, every benzo someone could find would be bought in quantity and subsequently binged on. If we're talking about around 10 years ago in my mid-teens benzo use/abuse was a tad more looked down upon though opiate abuse (tramadol, hydrocodone, and oxycodone w/ APAP). By my undergrad studies benzos were more demonized before, but opiates were looked down as the lowest of the low. Same with methamphetamine. Non-prescription opioids and meth were the absolute lowest tier. Weed and psychedelics were probably the least bullshit. Dissociatives were hit and miss. Most people didn't understand them.

>Did you get shit from people around you
I was anti-benzo usage until I was prescribed clonazepam after a dozen plus medications didn't help with my anxiety.
If anything, I was the one who told people to chill the fuck out and not drive on 10mg+ clonazepam or show up to school on 2-4mg alprazolam and/or 4-8mg clonazepam.

>Have you lost any friends as a result?
Yes and no. I cut ties with a lot of people close to the end of my undergrad studies and during the beginning of my graduate studies. This wasn't a position of superiority or anything of the condescending nature. Based upon my career, academic, and societal goals/position I could not hang out with consist drug users and still excel in an academic setting—especially graduate school.
I have lost friends due to THEIR benzo usage and inability to restrict/control their behavior. Too many people went to jail, prison, and ended up committing felonies while under the influence of benzos (and sometimes opiates or prescription stimulants, but most often opiates, weed, and alcohol).

Benzos have really become a much less taboo subject for the friends I have made over the last 5 to 7 years as well as my long-term childhood friends. Benzos are great for comedowns or lazy days, legitimate anxieties, and whatever else could be inserted as a reason for taking benzos. Some of my friends have expressed concern when I would take upwards of 16mg clonazepam or 24.5mg alprazolam, but there was a lot more concern with benzo + opi + dissociative + booze combos than anything else, but I haven't been down that road in 4 years or more.

tl;dr I was anti-prescription drug abuse for a lot of my life as I saw close friends and family members fuck their lives up. My usage has undoubtedly impacted my loved ones, but I have never lost a friend over my use. Rather, I have had to cut out friends due to toxic relationships and their extensive benzo (and other classes of drugs) abuse.
George Senningforth - Sat, 07 Dec 2019 11:32:07 EST 5CXBd2MM No.147862 Reply
Middle sized Eastern European city
Bout 100.000 people but was reeaaallly streched the further you go into suburbs and neighbourhoods(Like 10 houses per kilometer of road in some distant egde of city places when and everyone there had chickens and farms n shit,and some were even seperated with kms of woods) coupled with 50.000 of villages that were a part of the governance

Weed and benzo 'rule' supreme.Weed is just weed but benzos are heavily looked down upon,despite a hefty subculture around it.I wont get to much into it but it isn't hard to fake scripts ,take you grandmas benzos, or suck up to goth girls and take their stuff.There isn't a good supply but a big demand from annoying emo kids

I used to sell but its quite tedious dealing with annoying people who message you every day and it's quite illegal and again limited id rather binge and give to trusted drugies who could get me other stuff in return

Weed is cheap,every where and quality ranges,but you can get a 100g for 200$

Weed normies look down at it(Yet i know one who got random stoped infront of school by cops and immediately spilled the two 0.25 xans from his wallet istead of playing cool).Its funny they call it a junkie drug yet they would pay 80$ for 'coke'(god knows how many times stepped on).Other drugs are non existant/hard to find unless you have the rare connect
>Did you get shit from people around you
Not really from my friends circle,yes from others.Im not an alpha but i kinda lead my friend circle so they dont usually give me to much crap.
George Senningforth - Sat, 07 Dec 2019 11:49:24 EST 5CXBd2MM No.147863 Reply
Other people around me did although I never got nearly as fucked up as them every weekend from alcohol so i always called them out on that.Still really judgemental even tho i was the one who had no drug charges and usually held the most amount of drugs with me(both weed and benzos).It was super annoying being called a junkie even tho they constanly bothered me to met them somewhere for a few grams(all petty charges to caught with a gram,half a gram etc.)
>Have you lost any friends as a result?
Some people have cut ties with me,most likely due to the fact i once got in a fight while on benzos(never fought seriously past the age of 16) and hurt two 'respected' popular guys(daddies money wankers used to bothering people and people sucking up to them but didn't have their squad of alcoholic hooligans behind them).One had a chipped tooth and other was cut with glass on the ground,got some in his eye, twisted ankle,and a cracked/dislocated/broken jaw.
With the rise of emo rap many more people want benzos than ever before and its way less of a taboo, especially since back in ye day emo was a small subculture,now every second kid i see has some sort of edgy,emo rapper sort of clothing.

tl;dr love benzos before others,alcoholic friends with charges are hypocrites,now every kid is faking mental illnes for benzos

Ghb for benzo withdrawal.

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- Wed, 04 Dec 2019 00:43:33 EST bC/ig2iC No.147807
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Will it work?
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Wed, 04 Dec 2019 07:18:27 EST wsOFceLF No.147817 Reply
I would think since benzos act on GABA-A and GHB acts on GABA-B that there should be SOME level of effect. The same would be the case for taking gabapentin or pregabalin for benzo withdrawal, but neither drug modulate GABA in the traditional sense.

Oh shit, sorry. I just saw this post. Incredible, GHB helped markedly better than nothing. This will be interesting in case anyone else is in withdrawal and cannot find any benzos.

>it helped 100%
But how long does the relief last for, how often will you have to dose, and what benzo are you withdrawaling from? I would hate to hear a benzo dependency replaced for a GHB dependency.

GHB is unregulated and much of the danger surrounds ignorance and/or stupidity unless someone is intentionally trying to spike another person's drink.

But I hear ya. I have never taken or had immediate access to GHB, but knew far too many young women in college who were date raped with GHB, benzos, and/or GHB analogues.

With that said, benzos act on GABA-A and GHB (and phenibut) act on GABA-B. It's just a different side of the same GABA coin.
Nicholas Dartbury - Sat, 07 Dec 2019 07:10:34 EST DSTGHzgX No.147859 Reply
Literally in all the years i've been doing drugs - this is the first time i've had access to GHB, and it was a fucking mission to obtain. I should note though that it's REALLY short acting.
Nicholas Dartbury - Sat, 07 Dec 2019 07:13:25 EST DSTGHzgX No.147860 Reply
this faggot ass christmas effect is making my computer type like shit. wtf.

anyways, was w/ding off Klonopin. I only dosed that 1 day, but it was every 2-3 hours, after that I said fuck it and went to an ER to get a script refill (made up some bullshit about how they got stolen, filed bunk report and everything -they filled at ER and gave me enough to last until next RX. Had too pay out of pocket though, insurance wasn't having it.

this lag is fucking up me typing more, but yes I am aware it only part of the GABA "coin" as you said. And it did not help with insomnia (I was taking a low dose of GHB) so helping 100% was a bit of a premature statement. It helped like 90% though.

Gabapentin and Pregabalin: GABAergic Drugs of Importance

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!KqgSR25gAQ - Sun, 17 Nov 2019 06:54:55 EST pDyRe7aP No.147680
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There is a possibility of receiving a script for either in the coming future. Personally, I only have experience with gabapentin, and holy shit, the variance of effects between dosages can really sneak up on you. I have never had the opportunity to take pregabalin, but I've head stories from loving the drug to downright loathing its existence without anyone falling in the middle range.

Who prefers one over the other and why?

Are the drugs better in isolation or taken in combination with other drugs?
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Lillian Blathergold - Sun, 01 Dec 2019 18:46:01 EST p46V5NVZ No.147794 Reply
Oregabalin* auto correct changed it in my above post
James Pickfuck - Wed, 04 Dec 2019 00:45:32 EST bC/ig2iC No.147809 Reply
Gabapentin didnt do much for me it seemed like...havnt tried the other.
Alice Siffingpire - Fri, 06 Dec 2019 16:55:38 EST EX73QyG+ No.147850 Reply
I like gabapentin and lyrica more than I do opiates and I prefer them over actual benzos. The high I get from my experience with these is incredible, both mental and physical.

How long much use does it take for dependence (i.e risk of wds) to set in?

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- Sun, 24 Nov 2019 09:46:52 EST ZBN5XI1i No.147734
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I'm am new to benzos and wondering how long it takes for dependence to set it. I am completely new to benzos (took maybe 10 doses in the past five years) but got a bigish stash recently to steel myself for some personal things. I'm sure my habit over the past couple weeks isn't enough to necessitate a taper, but I just want to confirm.

I've taken 35mg of etizolam over the past 14 days. A couple days I didn't take any, and I never took a big enough dose to really get out of it or black out or anything. Do I need to save the rest of my stash to taper off now (5mg more), or can I expect an easy comedown without any withdrawals? Not really planning to get benzos again any time soon, just want to know how to proceed/what to expect for the near future.
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Hannah Tootfield - Fri, 06 Dec 2019 08:17:35 EST ZBN5XI1i No.147846 Reply
I will be careful and I'm glad I didn't have any negative effects. That said, it was a very odd experience with these drugs. Like I said in the OP, I never felt like I was getting particularly high on them. Some of the time I mixed it with pot or kratom or a couple beers, but the only effects I felt as a general feeling of being chilled-out. No blackouts, no rash decisions, no random phone calls. I never left my house, except once when I hung out with friends at a bar. Perhaps they just don't effect me much? Or maybe it was delusions of sobriety. If it was the later, I'm glad the delusions didn't lead to me doing anything crazy.

I bought them mostly because I needed a period of rest and numbness after a long period of stress and sleeplessness. (Not drug induced, btw, I don't use stims except occasional, medically-recommended doses of amphetamine for my work as a writer. I always take it well before I mean to sleep and never have any issues staying up. Didn't take any stims during this period anyway). Frankly I was mostly looking for something to knock me out, but to my surprise, especially at the start of the 'binge', they didn't generally put me to sleep around bedtime, which was what I was hoping for. Instead I just felt mildly relaxed. No one ever seemed to suspect I was on something, not that I had much contact with other human beings till the very end of this period, the days before I made the OP. The few times when I took larger doses (~4mg over a couple hours before bed) I achieved something like the effect I was looking for: lucid dreaming nocturnal psychotrips. Those trips were nice, but taking etizolam seemed like an unreliable (and dangerous) method of achieving them.

Now that it's over, I ponder the two blackouts I have experienced in my life: once with alcohol+massive amounts of caffeine and, more frightening, taking ambien as a teenager and waking up to discover I had taken 4 additional pills after I went to sleep. As I understand it, doing the same with benzos could have killed me.

I say it's strange because I never got effects I would describe as plainly, unambiguously enjoyable; nevertheless, I kept taking it. Weird drugs, these are.
Cedric Shittingway - Fri, 06 Dec 2019 11:45:12 EST cPeAbnkX No.147847 Reply
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shit can't find it, i'm hating myself for starting this valium again. I've had 130mg in the past five days, i'm wondering if i should just take 15mg day after tomorrow, wait, take 10, then take 5.25, then 5, then aim for zero and try and do it quickly?

The longest and slower i detox i won't be able to drive every day and i wont get a job
Cedric Shittingway - Fri, 06 Dec 2019 11:48:13 EST cPeAbnkX No.147848 Reply
I think it might've been you who said my seizures might've been caused by clonazolam or something disguised as xanax from the dark web, I had been taking like one bar 3-4 days per week, not in a row, then randomly 2 seizures within 12hrs without any withdrawl signs or symptoms, my ears just st arted to ring suddenly when i was walking down the street and i had this thought "i feel like i'm going to have a seizure" and bam woke up on the floor with ambulance

Shit to do on benzos

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- Fri, 29 Nov 2019 20:39:16 EST uTCI38uj No.147780
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Got a shit load of very high quality repress bars with 2.2mg alprazolam in each (know the taste like the back of my hand and can confirm fr experience the legitamacy and atrength of thr bars.
I just get bored ya know, don't know what to do when im benz'd and don't wanna go out and do some thuggy fuck shit that'll get me locked up.

What do you fello benz bros do when wonky
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Rebecca Crudgefag - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 05:04:03 EST cPeAbnkX No.147799 Reply
Weird I find the opposite with music, it gives me no emmotion

but the weird thing is i can listne to music that woukd provoke extreme sadness and depression probably crying (definately) while on benzos and I don't get the negative emmotional response

but i don't get a positive one at all eitherr hmmm
John Gankinspear - Wed, 04 Dec 2019 20:45:24 EST vj34L+JL No.147832 Reply
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>but the weird thing is i can listne to music that woukd provoke extreme sadness and depression probably crying (definately) while on benzos and I don't get the negative emmotional response

Yeah I get the same thing on bars and molly, I feel like that I'm able cut through my gut emotional reaction to hearing a sad song that I really relate to, and it makes me appreciate the music even more because I can work through the pain I have attached to the song and I find I relate to it on a much deeper level, i wasn't dealt the best hand and I've been through a lot of shit, it's great to really fully understand that there are people out there going through the same things I am, and some of us have an ability to express our experiences through art and seeing such an emotional and spiritual expression of such complicated emotions, you get a sense of fully relating to someone's experience and there's this sense of camaraderie

i dunno if that makes sense I'm pretty fucking faded, I've got a lot of songs I like to listen to that I've listened to since high school when I first started going down the path I did and that blend of nostalgia and acceptance now that I'm finally in a better place feels like I'm working through a lot of shit, songs like this






BWB: Chill Vibes for Summer 2019, Pt. 1

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!KqgSR25gAQ - Wed, 26 Jun 2019 15:53:53 EST I6YS7H0F No.146252
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Fellow posters, the previous BWB is no longer bumping. As such, here is the next installment of the thread dedicated to being on benzos, bumping while benz’d, and other benzodiazepine-related topics and questions.

20mg diazepam, 0.5mg alprazolam, and 100mg tramadol to kick shit off!
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Wed, 04 Dec 2019 07:42:05 EST wsOFceLF No.147822 Reply
Bruh, we have a new BWB!!

Post to your heart's content.

Outside of Dr. Mario and I, most posters aren't really fucking with muscle relaxers on the regular.

To get manufacturers clonazepam brands. favorite brands

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- Sat, 16 Nov 2019 21:44:22 EST zm++5w66 No.147676
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Any ideas to get something different. Calling pharmacies kinda sucks. Accord is the mainstay here. I don't know how internet pharmacies work, if any would offer certain manufacturers products or not and actually deliver. I have a nice, ongoing script. If I could get directly from manufacturers outlets, or a list of stores these mainly cater to. that would be nice..

I can get activas and solco. These are ok but, wasn't that long ago it was still easy to get ask for different brands, the choice was just there.

On this note, how anybodys input about theirclonazepam brands. Past present. Mostl ythis board is about rcs, That OK I guess but
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Simon Buzzlock - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 05:55:41 EST yIyTmNKy No.147729 Reply
Used to be able to get different manufacturers fairly easily and often chose any random brand, by getting hints on what may be pretty decent in purity by the new pharmacy manager. Compared to my explaination of the other pharmacies mylan. Teva was good quality in manufacturing, it was very dependable if-you-will. Today, Activas, can always find, but it's not the same as Tevas consistency,. it's alright. Caraco, upsher smith. Others. All were definitely ok.

Solco, which was qualitest, I think is about as correct to the original.

I have kept a tolerance to these prescriptions. 1 120 fill + 3 refills. An occasional dr visit to see how things are going. Had never binged on these, Nor even ran short of a script. If I binged, which is unnecessary, there would go my tolerance just as fast as the time it would take binging on them. So as many years, it has stayed basically the same.
Jack Clenningcocke - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 03:07:52 EST XEooMNwD No.147749 Reply
Teva is officially back. Activas officially stopped manufacturing clonazepam about two months ago. Ativas supply will run out. Teva will resupply chains and pharmacies that had carried them before. I do see teva being distributed here and there at this time. My regional pharmacist buyers purchased a lot of Activas about as long ago. Specifically when Activas stopped manufacturing. That was a key. They had always had Teva previous.

Another key is a compounding pharmacy said that Teva specific is and was out of stock fromt their distributor. When they had previously said teva was no longer manufacturing clonazepam. But had Activas

Another hint is pharmacies suddenly started carryring teva by name. The formentioned at first called it teva/activas, (whatever that, means one said, hint hint) before they stocked up on Activas. My guess Activas produced as much clonazepam as possible before the transfer, which I considered pretty
low on the quality scale.

This should cause more manufacturers to jump back into the price game.
Barr? is being seen. Surely more manufacturers brands will be seen
again at average chain stores and smaller pharmacies. Without people
getting annoyed by asking what they offer or if they could order.
Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Fri, 29 Nov 2019 01:30:48 EST wsOFceLF No.147772 Reply
Fucking LIT. Actavis clonazepam was and will always be inferior to Teva’s generic. I will say the Actavis generic are better for sublingual administration, but feel like they’re pressed less densely than they should be. Actavis clonazepam just crumbles if it’s in a baggie. Teva is hard, densely pressed like the Roche name brand.

Diazepam - least addictive but not to be underestimated?

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- Wed, 30 Oct 2019 12:51:48 EST 9d2LCeO2 No.147567
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How have you found dosing on valium compared to shorter acting benzos? Less rebound anxiety and inter-dose withdrawl? Anyone tried both at the same time or stopped one and started the other?
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Charles Mollyson - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:02:42 EST gmbPsdkB No.147750 Reply
let us kno how it goes my man

i have the psychiatrist in half an hour, not sure how honest to be still with him
Isabella Caddlesere - Wed, 27 Nov 2019 05:57:55 EST 6/XEByZ3 No.147759 Reply
Couldn't get an appointment any earlier, managed to get one arranged in 2 weeks from now. Will 100% update and let you all know, I'm quietly confidant about getting Tramadol/Gabapentin minimum.
Henry Blonnerkidge - Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:52:18 EST 7JC+xi15 No.147761 Reply
Havent read the rest of the thread but ime--gabapentin is easy to get if you bitch about pain. Ive had tramadol offered many times, i wouldnt push on your first visit if its not offered. But if you complain gabapentin doesnt work for some parts of your pain you might get there.

Pregabalin & Benzo difference

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- Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:38:38 EST 863a5mi4 No.147365
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How different pharmalogically speaking is pregabalin than benzo, on how it affects Gaba etc or whatever it does. I Think lyrica is much better recreationally, its way more of a active high and "happy-inducing" than benzos... but curious to know exactly how it operates in the brain compared to benzos.

Thanks mate
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Hugh Pittman - Thu, 07 Nov 2019 19:43:54 EST kwVIuqMG No.147607 Reply
Also I got a bit scared reading about how hypnic jerks could be considered partial seizures. I've never had a seizure.
Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Fri, 08 Nov 2019 01:21:47 EST wsOFceLF No.147611 Reply
For many years i was also under the impression of gabapentin and pregabalin being GABA-b agonists as well. Some anon over the last year or year and a half indicated the drugs act more generally on GABA than specific sites. Check out the link in >>147390 but beyond this article I was shook when I was initially told.

I definitely hear ya, Mario. Sometimes posters can straight rage or be plain demeaning for not much of a purpose.
Oliver Turveyway - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 23:02:14 EST psHCv1x2 No.147758 Reply
Very informative thread, thanks for the research results. Had no idea pregabalin/gabapentin doesn't bind to GABA-A or GABA-B receptors but instead increases the gaba synthesis in the system. Good stuff!

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