Took four 2mg bars, and 1, 1mg football a few hours ago. I must have a hefty tolerance, because the only thing I feel is a lack of inhibition.

No stumbling, slurring of speech, or even a drunk feeling. I just feel relaxed, and my weed isn't getting me high at all.

Waste of some good xans :(

Just took 3mg Clonazepam. Gonna smoke about 3 bowls of bud before heading out to the main goth/industrial club in NYC for the first time. Gonna be ready to tear up that dance floor (cue a random remix of Front 242's "Headhunter") but with just the right amount of chill.

>.75mg Flualprazolam
>One 5% beer

Trying to keep close to my old dose of 3mg etiz and it seems to be working. Euphoria might be less I'm not sure. It felt like etiz hit harder but obviously doesnt last as long. Maybe I should raise the dose a bit and see what happens another night. Overall decent so far though it's definitely working.

Took two 2mg pressed bars that are super strong, took like 10 shots pf grey goose, smoked 2 grams of dank to the face and my 100mg of methadone

Watching non non biyori right now, one of my favorites

>>142775
I've been inspired by your post so I upped my dosage a bit I wanna see what this stuff can do and I have a mild tolerance so we'll see.

>2mg Flualp

Hopefully this works out chill

>>142763
word homie, thanks for the response

>>142764
>>142761
The medical consensus with CNS depressants is that two months of consecutive use will lead to withdrawals. As in, after continued use of less than two months, doctors usually won't taper you.

Then again, also these would definitely lead to withdrawals:

• 7 day binges with 1-day breaks for 2 months
  
• Any continued use if you've had an on-and-off habit for several months
  

Also we're talking treatment-worthy dependence here. Obviously less than 2 months of any CNS depressant can give you withdrawals, but I agree with doctors here that you should just suck it up and have a couple beers if you're feeling "awful" (it would not be awful but subjectively speaking, might be an iffy new unpleasant experience).

>>142765

>Any continued use if you've had an on-and-off habit for several months

So if you've been an addict before (i haven't) it can snap you right back to feeling withdrawals from just a few days?

What if you were (hypothetically) an addict at one time and you took lyrica or xanax at night to sleep for a week straight but not during the day.. although you felt it the next morning and throughout the day maybe a bit???? That wouldn't cause severe withdrawals would it?? It would just make you feel lousy for a few days.. or how long you think?

What's your experience with this kind of thing? I would love to hear..

>>142765
also if you drank a couple beers wouldn't that just trigger the same receptors (gaba?)

and personally i always feel like shit after drinking even a small amount so that wouldn't work for me.. as soon as the alcohol wears off i get a mini hangover headache and cant sleep

>>142765
oh and i should add in my hypothetical scenario that the addict wouldn't have touched his DOC for years so it's not like his receptors are that fresh from a habit

so like lets say someone was addicted to gabapentin or lyrica for a couple years but that was also a couple years ago.. so 4 years after initial start of addiction and 2 years since last gabapentin or lyrica pill

would taking a small(ish) dose every night, but enough to feel it the next morning till about noonish or 2pm, cause really bad withdrawals?? Or just shitty feelings, but for how long?

and you don't think it would be a good idea to taper in these scenarios? You think cold turkey is manageable?

just wondering for future reference.. i don't have a lot of experience with drugs and i want to know the dangers and what to do if i become a true addict one day

>>142746
Why are you against kratom? Look into kava, and also cacao

>>142756
Shit's probably illegal where he's from.

So I recommend Kra Thum Khok, Kratom's non-psychoactive but brilliant cousin

>>142234

Sorry, I don't mean to hijack this thread, and I suppose I don't think I am. What I'm about to post is relatively on-topic. My experiences, I suppose.

First. Wow, informative post. Thank you for it.

That sounds very much like what happened to me, but perhaps for different reasons.

I had been on Benzos since 2009, originally prescribed for Social Anxiety Disorder/General Anxiety Disorder. I don't think I really NEEDED them, but at the time I was okay getting them, because I was a young kid, wanting drugs.

FF 9 years later. I have been off Benzos since January 2018. It took my 3rd DUI to get me off them.

I'm MUCH more anxious now than I was in my late teens and early 20s (I am now 29 years old). I used to have issues maybe talking with females, asking for things (I fear rejection terribly), asking for help, for job interviews, etc.

Now, I can barely function. It's depressing. I had to do a cold turkey because I had Day Report and random drug testing.

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OP here, I'm almost 1 month into doing the diazepam taper. I've been decreasing my dose by 2 mg every week. I've run into no issues. I was expecting this to be pure hell from when i tapered off of clonazepam but so far i feel no change in anxiety levels.

I did however start taking 40mg buspirone a day when i started the taper and I think it has helped me immensely. I get sweaty, tired and almost weak about 45 mins after taking the buspirone, I don't know why but I'm not that anxious so I'm not complaining.

>>142672
You may need to take benzos as needed to give yourself a break from the symptoms once in a while. Just don't take them daily long term again. My plan is to use 1-2mg lorazepam as needed, probably 3-4 times a week once i finish my diazepam taper.

>>142226
Diazepam isnt very good at all for relieving anxiety. Lorazepam is the best for anxiety relief IMO

>>142710
It’s all subjective. Specific benzos are better suited for different situations and different anxiety disorders than other benzos. A lot of people really love diazepam and hate lorazepam. Some people think alprazolam is the gold standard for a fast acting benzo.

damn so i became a literal bartard???

Generally speaking, using any drug to cope will make things worse in the long run

>>142715
I think guy's channel is pretty good (his story is the 'about') https://www.youtube.com/user/bignoknow/search?query=benzodiazepine

In one video he talked about taking benzos on 'as needed' basis. He quickly realised it's not so simple when found himself panicking when he noticed he didn't have his pill bottle with him as he went to the gym. Eventually he moved to "as truly truly needed", not "as WANTED", or "nice to have". I've had a similar experience. Just once or twice I took diazepam for sleep when I fucked my sleep schedule and the next time it happened the first thought that crossed my mind was "diazepam". It becomes the first solution in your brain and you have to kinda shake yourself awake to say "hey, wait, at least let me think about this. Do I really need this today?"

It can make you complacent, because it's easy. Think of it as practicing every day to climb a mountain, progressively getting better. You are not a mountaineer and no lifts exist. You simply need to make it to the top for reasons. You will keep getting better as long as you stick with it, both your technique and your muscles. Start caring enough and you will dream of climbing it. However, if the invention of the lift came along and you take it to the top, your muscles will not develop, your technique will not develop. But you found a way to the top. So since you don't care for the climbing part why practice climbing? Why ever climb up instead of taking the lift?

>>142715
I do not think that there is an inherent issue with actual infrequent usage of benzodiazepines. With that said, it all depends on your dosage and rationale for dosing. If you can cope with daily and moderate stress without a benzo the majority of the time then I, personally, do not think it is detrimental to your health to occasionally take clonazepam. 30x0.5mg clonazepam over 8 months is a very small quantity. In the event that you do use more regularly just make sure to try tracking your dosage. Using benzos infrequently can easily lead to frequent dosing, but not always. I know dozens of people who've been on benzos for 5-10+ years who only fill their script a couple of times per year with no cravings.
Definitely keep up with exercise and find healthy means of coping with stress.

>>142720
I remember seeing that guy's channel a couple years back. It's good to see that he has fully tapered off of benzos, but I initially found his content to be lacking in pertinent information. The channel is definitely a beginner's guide and warning to individuals who may be curious about benzos, but there are enough click-bait titles to piss me off.

>>142741
Heh, yeah, as long as you don't NEED them, you're fine. I know I have a problem if I get a bout of anxiety when I realize I don't have the meds on me. I'm much happier knowing I can face shit head-on with nothing but my own will.

I don't even feel like I need benzos, so I don't take them. Kind of fun doing shit like interviews and group meetings without em. Thank fuck I made it here without needing them. I'm usually the calm one in my class during exam season... feels good man. Guess it's nice to have them on-hand in case of a catastrophic meltdown.

Gotta love my own doc saying "Plenty of physicians use this too, good luck kid".

Yeah dude fear monging at its best, cause opi and benzos are fucking harmless

just got 10g of legit etiz on clearnet. Lifetime supply essentially since I don't use every day.
Stock up before the RC market goes to shit. Do your research to find a legit vendor. Problem solved.

>>142588
Making benzodiazepines harder to obtain will only drive the need for benzos. I can easily see RC benzos being far too common in the next 5 to 10 years. The general public will use drugs regardless of legality. I would rather have prescribed, monitored benzos than millions of people self-medicating on fuck knows what RC.

>>142736
Why i'm getting off

This script ain't everlasting and WD blows
nb

>>142736
On the bright side etiz isn't a death sentence for first time users, unlike fent and carfent

>>142633
DICKS EVERYWHERE

ambien is what happens when /dis/ and /del/ fuck and then that retarded child has a kid with /benz/. welcome to walrus town if you take too much you'll probably throw up so be careful lmao. also i dont know about everyone else but i feel like ambien may have some more long term psychological side effects if you abuse it too much

>>142637
>>142643
hit me like a ton of bricks yesterday, i thought i was prescribed just a normal benzo. somewhere in the haze i googled it and saw it was called ambien also. walls were breathing and my fingers on the keyboard turned into old ladies churning butter and shit in my head.

well, god bless my doctor... i guess.

>>142644
God damn. I tried dosing over 100mg zolpidem with 2-3mg clonazepam, 5mg+ lorazepam, and whiskey. Needless to say, I just had a major blackout and made a bunch of weird calls/texts to people as my then girlfriend was continually woken up by me from midnight to 4 or 5 AM.
Zolpidem is fine for sleep, but zaleplon always gave me more enjoyable recreational effects.

I loved the mild trippy effects of Ambien years back when I first started taking them. There was often an emotional element to it that I can't quite put into a words. Took a year or so break from them and then my wife got a script. Started taking one and a half nightly for around a month and the trippy effects stopped occurring. One thing I found interesting is occasionally a half dose would hit me like a bus, sometimes. To me, Ambien is extremely relaxing, perhaps even slightly more so than Xanax, as the "nature" of it's relaxation is in some way different.

One night years back I lost a stray kitten I was caring for, and the Ambien hit me when I was out wandering around an apartment complex at night with a flashlight. Security started chatting me up and I flat told them I was tripping out on a sedative and desperately trying to find a beloved pet cat. Ended up giving him my number and he ended up calling me later, having found the kitty. While I was out and about with the flashlight I found myself really enjoying just playing with it, watching the shadows cast from the flowerbeds morph into different animated shapes like some kind of silly miniature phantasmagoria.

This other time some random chick hit me up for a ride from a convenience store (My guess was she was fleeing police or some shit because she just wanted me to drive her a few blocks in whatever direction I was going) and when I let her out she gave me a small bag of shake. Returned home to my then-girlfriend and told her what had happened, and later that night we rolled a joint of the shake with a single dose of Ambien, smoking it in the bathroom just as the Ambien was peaking. A seriously fantastic trance-like sex session happened that night in the bathtub/shower. I don't know if it was the weed or the Ambien or the combination of both, but I've never experienced that sort of high-sex ever again. It was absolutely sublime.

There's always this feeling with Ambien for me, this certain "Errthing 'gon b ok" which is lovely, but unfortunately it doesn't last long.

I love to draw and paint on Ambien.

Currently taking another extended tolerance break from Ambien. I'm shoo…

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0.5mg ain't nothin'. Keep drinkin' that water and you're gucci.

Well today is my drug test. I hope I pass. Please Jesus. Help me pass.

I thought benz was only in extended drug tests

what power structure exactly is testing u

>>142659
Probation. I have a felony possesion charge.

>>142693
Still haven't been drug tested though. They are random tests. Pretty sure it will be soon.

>>141787

>1.5 mg clonazepam weed n kratom

anyone know why id get not much euphoria or feel good but lots of heavy sedation/sleepiness from xanax, but then diazepam i get a nice feel good with some sedation and not much sleepiness.

did i just take too much of the xanax?
cause the xanax i took 2.5mg. the diazepam 30mg. 2.5mg of xanax is kinda equal to 50mg of diazepam isnt it?

Bumpin on a few mgs of clonazepam, acquired a full box (100 pieces, 200mg). Having some mid tier Big Devil XL (much better than it looks on photo), having a few sweet beers. configuring my kernel in my gentoo linux, but i'm a bit afraid because of this much medicine, i'm already an alcoholic.

Popped 2.5mg Clonazepam and then smoked 2 jays out in my courtyard. Looking out over my new neighborhood while stoned af, I felt like I was in the flashback scenes of Vito's first years in America in The Godfather Part II for a minute there lol.... It was kinda beautiful.

ambien is love
idk why i like this shit so much, i just always enjoy me some ambien

>>142660

I'll give you a quick run down as I'm short on time.

>Flunitrazolam

Personally I would never try this one ever, and that says a lot because I think anyone who likes benzos, but they're either not an addict or they're an addict with a primary DoC besides benzos or alcohol, should try Clonazolam (at reasonable doses like 200ug) at least once in their life because it's so euphoric compared to the rest in a way that only IV midazolam can match and snorted/IV triazolam can even come close...and that's ORAL cLam.

That being said, Flunitrazolam has quite a few posts sec real years ago about how it was causing seizures in users with absolutely no dependency, to the point where its not clear if the dosing itself or the rebound is causing seizures. Sure, it's possible it was just a few funky batches, as I recall the vast majority of seizures were from Swedish users. Still, I personally wouldn't risk it, particularly because it's not as commonly used as the others. Adding the flubro portion (I haven't looked at what the "flubro" structure entails honestly; I just know its effects) to triazolam sounds like a potent way to get hooked regardless.

Maybe the chem is just fine and that was a contaminated batch of even a different substance all together, but why risk it?

If you do use it or try it, use low doses and don't use it more than once a week, or once every two weeks if you have a brain. More than 2-3 days in a row is just asking to be a lab rat. If you do binge it for a week or so, definitely replace it with low dose FluAlp for 2-3 days, so FlubTriLam has a chance to get out of your system without crashing to the proverbial GABAergic floor without air bags. These super strong RCs have rebound anxiety and WD symptoms/seizure potential many times stronger than Rx meds at equipotent doses. It's not worth the risk, and the only "RCs" that are truly "safe," as in as safe as Xanax valium etc., are etizolam, diclazepam, and phenazepam. It's a shame that most states will ban etizolam in the next 5 years, and many states already have. Etizolam addiction sucks, but it's not as bad as an equivalent half dosage of Xanax addiction. It raises tolerance much more slowly, is more functional, and IMO has more pseudo euphoria than xanax. It just doesn't "slap" as hard aka fucking you up.

Research how long the half life is, as daily dosing may lead to ODs and blackouts if it has a 40hr half life or something and you take the same dose 3 days in a row and then have just 3-6 beers starting say 8hr from your last dose when you think you feel sober.

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>>142666
Thanks for the heads up.i think I'll stay well away from them an just buy a handful of etizolam and maybe 10 or so clonazolam....

>how does kava kava compare to saybthese in a chilled anti anxiety way ?

>>142660

op pic is quintessential unfunny political comic jfc my head hurts now

>>142618
I feel ya homes. Hope you find the happiness and peace

>>142619
thanks so much dude. for real.

>>142617
How much etizolam did you take during the 2 weeks? Was it daily? How bad were the withdrawls?

Just wondering cause I've been taking etiz for a week already

I'm prescribed 4mg Clonazepam a day but I usually take about 2mg more than my prescribed dosage. It keeps the PTSD flashbacks and suicidal thoughts away. It keeps the screams of my abusive father and abusive ex-gf out of my head.

Oh and it gets me high, which is pretty cool.

I've been prescribed benzos for 6 years now. Back in July 2012 I was 18 years old and about to start my freshman year of college. God damn, time has flown by.

>Regularly

I would say that I do take benzos fairly often. Or, I take benzos more often than I would like to. Rx: 10mg diazepam TID and 0.5mg alprazolam PRN. I take alprazolam usually 1-2x/week and diazepam 3-4x/week. As with anything I find myself taking more benzos in period of higher stress and little to no benzos during periods of less stress. If I don't take a benzo for a few days I don't go through withdrawal or anything. Rebound anxiety and insomnia will occur, but that's standard for even short-term discontinuation of a benzo.
Specific to habits, I take diazepam for social anxiety disorder and generalized anxiety disorder. Alprazolam is for panic disorder, but I don't have panic attacks as often as I did a few years back. I was munching up 90x1mg clonazepam AND 90x1mg lorazepam or 90x0.5mg alprazolam every fucking month for a couple of years, but I still never ended up dosing daily.
Recreational usage has strongly diminished from the past, but I will occasionally take a high dosage of diazepam and alprazolam (50-80mg+ and 2mg+, respectively) with alcohol. This is by no means normal, advised, or common for me.

>Afraid of ruining my life

Taking alprazolam every other day for stress over a 3 week period is enough that you could experience some minor withdrawal effects upon discontinuation. Really, there would be next to no need to taper though. Quit while you're ahead. The longer that you continue the harder it will be to stop due to both psychological and physical withdrawal symptoms. Benzo withdrawal is serious fucking business.

>>142341
OP I am very happy to hear that you have managed to convince your mom of this.
I was addicted to diazepam and all kinds of benzos, in high doses, for 4 years. I tried to quit cold turkey before I knew the dangers of that, ended up with a seizure in hospital. Then I tapered and it took a while, but it was 100% worth it, I have my life back.

You need to make sure that the taper is slow, with xanax that can be difficult due to the low doses values, so you may need to switch up to diazepam as every 1-2mg of xanax equates to 10mg of valium; it makes tapering easier. Check on benzo.org for the taper plan.

CBD will help the anxiety for sure, also you may want to look into herbal teas. Melatonin, valerian root and lavender for healing with sleep when it gets tough to do so. Stay away from alcohol as it works on the GABA receptors and will limit progress. She needs to be taking vitamin C and magnesium daily too. You may also want to take a look at niacin.

Good luck man, I hope your mom comes out of it soon

>>142459
I actually did see a few articles about deprescribing benzodiazepines, but I didn't have the chance to read them as I had a final to write up. The focus on geriatrics is a concern of mine simply because people begin to spread misinformation about dementia outcomes for benzo users in general.
I definitely will check out Dr. Farrell's work. And, a holiday is always nice. Enjoy your time off.

>>142620
Holy shit, Mr. Shoe? Good to see that you've stayed benzo free for so long, man. It's great to hear that you have your life back. I remember reading some crazy posts with pictures of your benzo days.I haven't seen a post from you in ages. How have you been?

>>142460
see post above. I fucked the goat on that one.

nb

>>142440
I read most of this paper: Valium without dependence? (2018)
DOI: 10.2147/NDT.S164307

The main thing I took away from it is that a sedative effect in GABA-action drugs is most likely related to activity on a1 (and maybe a5). (and thoe sites are possibly most responsible for addiction).

Something interesting I came across today is the drug Zopiclone, which is outlawed in the US afaik. All the reports I've read so far speak of a lot of sedation. I've read higher increase in overdose etc.

From wikipedia, with a footnote to one study (http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/317/1/369) "One study found some slight selectivity for zopiclone on α1 and α5 subunits..." INTERESTING. There's mention of other similar drugs as well. If you are interested in pursuing this stuff I think this might be a good lead.

>>142648
Precisely. The general idea is that if a drug has little to no affinity for the a1 site then the addiction potential would be reduced.
Zopiclone is not prescribed in the U.S., but eszopiclone (Lunesta) is a commonly prescribed z-drug. Anecdotal reports of eszopiclone indicate that it is the most "benzo-like" of z-drugs compared to zolpidem, zaleplon, etc. Personally, I would also attest to this claim, but I also am not partial to z-drugs.

>If you are interested

Certainly, I will look into that study. Thanks for posting the link. I appreciate it.