1mg alprazzy... last day of benzing for hopefully two weeks.. or so I say

Bumpin it up to 2mg xanax. Feelin so ca$h

>>135929
Thanks for the kind words Katz. I'm sure i'll figure shit out in time.

Bumping 4mg etiz before bed

>>134713
I JUST SPILLED 50MG OF ETIZOLAM ON THE CARPET
REE WITH ME!!!!

Actually, ree for me since I took some before i spilled it so RIP. I'm pretty chill

bumping on 1.5mgs of Clonazpam. Down to my last 8 and still a week away from refill but I'm not worried now lol

>>135942
Not really. Benzos are pretty straughtforward until you start adding other downers.

Long story short youll run into delusions of sobriety before you black out. Similar to how drunk people often don't realize theyre impaired. If you've been dosing 1.5mg more than repeatedly with no tolerance since clonazepam is a long acting benzo it's half life can leave you impaired for a bit. You most likely didn't realize the subtle come up of clonazepam as it takes a comparatively long time to kick in.


Mmmm if you're noticing impairment my I'll bet you black out. Poor substitute drug class imo. Benzos are highly addicting, habit forming, and notoriously hard to get off of (for some)

Good luck Op

Stop abusing prescriptions. It makes it harder for those who actually need them to get them.

>>135938
Good advice. I'll just stick to my Zoloft and get off the Klonopin. Thats what I was intending to do originally.

Thanks anon.

I won't abuse Klonopin. Don't worry

>>135856
well shit...

>>135856
>>135852
Normally, you can use an acidic solution to mimic the environment of your stomach. An acidic solution could either be coca cola (or any soda with phosphoric acid) or even if you want to use a light solution of HCl and then neutralise with baking soda. I've never tried this with xanax XR formations, though.
Vinegar doesn't work unfortunately.

>>135885
afaik it's mixed with something that slows release so just crushing the pill wont work....

have you tried explaining to your doc that ir gives you much better relief? especially since you are asking for a lower ir dose this might work fine

>>135903
OP here, yes I tell him pretty clearly, or at least I try, and my doc is not reasonable IMO, just for example, he gave me a ridiculous form to fill out with questions like "do you use your keys a lot" and "do you forget when your appointments are a lot" and "do you have trouble concentrating"

like an ADHD Questionnaire

Anxiety can make it very hard to concentrate, sometimes I get so anxious in the mornings I can't eat or think straight. Sometimes I vomit, and medical marijuana has helped with a lot of that and also got me off of high dose Klonopin, so...

he knows that I also have a TMJ (jaw pain) disorder which makes it difficult to eat, which causes loss of concentration, and I told him Adderall makes me clench my jaw at night...life-long anxiety disorders (I am 34) and he knows I use medical marijuana which I told him makes me stoned and so that's why I can't concentrate at times, I am also seeing a Psychologist for an eating disorder relapse (please don't judge - I am so embarrassed of this) and have lost 20% of my body weight over the past year and I am slender to begin with, but he still insisted on me taking Adderall XR every day because he is "positive I am suffering from ADHD" and when I asked him to weigh me because I wanted him to DC the adderall he said "you do look like you've lost a lot of weight" but still prescribed the amphetamines and didn't want to weigh me.

Point being, he doesn't really listen. Adderall makes me so fucking crazy. I become a goddamn maniac on that shit, even a little bit of it.

Thank god he doesn't drug test me, I argued with him saying psychostimulants made my anxiety worse in grade school, but he insists I take them because otherwise he would be forced to write in my chart that I am non-compliant. I've taken adderall before and let's just say it's not for me. You don't want to be around me on or coming off of that stuff.

So I called him on his emergency line and got him to call in more of the IR XANAX

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>>135935
*lose (your keys)

nb

some days i feel totally chill and normal without taking a dose, other days my mind is a complete mess, my equilibrium is way off and I generally just feel awful until I take some etiz. definitely know that the WDs are capable of sending me into a total nervous breakdown, or worse, but for now I feel ok. I haven't taken any yet today and just feel kinda bummed.i would like to taper off.

I cycle benzos with phenibut. Phenibut is my favorite gabaergic because it actually motivates me to do new things and allows myself to express my thoughts more clearly than other anti-anxiety drugs do. I take diclazepam on days that I want a tolerance break from phenibut. It helps to reduce rebound anxiety andl withdrawal from phenibut but unfortunately I still get mild anhedonia on those days which is why I stick to phenny as my main go-to anxiolytic since it relieves anxiety without giving me lethargy/brainfog unlike benzos.

I can function. Like, no seizures or anything. I'm just very on edge, jittery, and unable to focus. Everything sounds louder and I'm much more nervous. Someone who knows their shit would probably know I was going through withdrawal. I would be much less likely to go outside my house though since I fucking hate socializing as it is. Also loss of appetite happens. Also 0 chance of me sleeping at all since I already have sleeping problems with benzos.

>>135912
Its definitely anxiolytic, but other than that phenibut is more like a stim to me, all night fap marathons and sleep loss included

Nope. I'm dysfunctional without benzos. Im prescribed klonopin.
I'm not myself without it.

>>135467
My neurologist wants me to drop a mg for 2 weeks and reduce .5 for 2 weeks after until I am off, but I can take as much time as I need and call him for more if I need to. And he gave me Topamax, which I already had.

I am not going to see him again. In three years, I have seen him three times, and in one visit he kicked me out because I was crying as I was telling I was having seizures every day for a month.

I want to get off klonopin because I cannot remember the last three years of my life, and I should have graduated at 21, now I am 24 and I must graduate in 1.5 years or my tuition goes up 25%.

I was the top of my class before this shit, now look at me.

I am going to see a new neurologist after I fill the script for 120mg more kpins he gave me and the topamax just in case.

He has never run any tests on me to determine anything.

So I am switching to a different neurologist a friend has recommended. He actually talks to you and runs test. Her husband had been having seizures since 13 and it was just assumed to be epilepsy. This doctor ran tests and found out it was a chemical imbalance in his brain behind his left eye.

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>>135529
50% not 25%

>>135529
Your relationship with your neurologist is integral so I'm happy you've found one better suited to your needs.

+to me that taper sounds a wee bit on the danger zone but they are allowing you an unlimited time frame.

Just my 2c this probably isn't an endeavor you wish to take unsupervised (look up kindling effect ). I've met people who've tapered off of those dosages, and the doctor's supervising, but almost unanimously it was a fairly lengthy process. And by lenthy I mean 3 months to 1 year +, but everyone is different.

Best of luck and be safe!

I took 2mg of clonazepam for a year and had a nightmare forced withdrawal. The first few weeks were hell, and after 2 months I still wasn't myself and went onto valium.

I've never taken a clonazepam pill again.

I've been taking around 10mg valium a day for years now and it's a lot better. I went 2 weeks without it once (I was on holiday) and I felt a bit shit, but nothing too bad.

tl;dr - switch to valium man and taper down

>>135589
So I was taking 6mg for 3 years, took 40mg one day then 10 mg for a week, then dropped down to 8mg, then to 6mg, and now I am on 4mg.

I usually take 4mg in the morning. I noticed last night, because I was up all night working, that I was feeling like shit by sunrise so I took 2mg and went to sleep, and feel alright.

I got some phenibut (which I haven't touched yet) and Guanfacine which I think is helping quite a bit. I made the bitch prescribe me Gaunfacine because I wanted it to help with my memory.

I take the Guanfacine at the same time as the 4mg in the morning.

So today I've taken 2mg and I still feel okay which I am assuming is from the half-life and buildup of the clonazepam. It usually takes me 3 days of no benzos (when I was on 6mg) to be in a state where I am bedridden and people think I need to be hospitalized.

I still have a hard time sleeping. When I had Lyrica, sleep wasn't a problem. But she wouldn't prescribe me that.

So now I am going to lower my dose again. One pill (2 mg) Kpin and Guanfacine in the morning. I will take 1mg at night. I'll do that for at least a week to two weeks then try to take the Guanfacine in the morning and 2mg in the afternoon.

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>>135907
4 days? dude chill you'll be fine. may as well take some days off, you're not going to have any insane withdrawals

>>135908
Cheers. I kinda knew it'd be okay but just needed that extra assurance

>>135909
i haven't taken clonazolam but I have taken etiz and other benzos for 6 or so months near daily, and physical WD symptoms definitely have started to become real in my life (i would guess after a month or two, but idk precisely).
some days the feeling is so disorienting and miserable that I have to take a dose, but other days I can wake up, benzo free after binging daily and feel perfectly alright.
it seems like you're pretty self-aware of the fact that you're stepping into a potential addiction, so at least you've got that going. best wishes to you man.

>>135782
If people were banging it along with heroin I guess that makes sense, I was under the impression temazepam did have some rush by itself but who knows. I didn't mean to make it sound like I'm above doing stupid and reckless shit out of desperation, though after a few people lost limbs I might get a bit hesitant. It must have been pretty fucking good for people to risk the amputations was my main point.

>>135803
Didn't mean to NB that, so bump

>>135738

I've only had midazolam for surgeries, you lucky duck.

Anyways, lorazepam is another benzo that is water soluble and I've found a much quicker onset of action but slightly reduced BA from IN ingestion.

I've heard about pharma alprazolam nasal sprays as well (referenced in a chart here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3713663/), even though alpraz is practically insoluble in water. I've also had my own experiences with IN clonazepam that lead me to question the belief that non-water soluble benzos are inactive IN.

>>135826
Lorazepam is not water soluble and the "water soluble" gluconeride salt is barely soluble as well.

>>135776
I've heard alternate is true. Mainly only with midazolam, though. You still get the ringing bells or whatever.

pills or iv solution?

pills aren't that special

but the iv solution or pure powder is worth killing for

don't snort it either iv the solution or make one from the pure powder and iv that

also it's not the only water soluble benzo

>>135880
Hehe. No worries. This is /benz/ afterall and chill as fuck. And if weren't not chill, unironically tell people

>pop an ativan or ten

Anyway, yeah. MDMA and general ecstasy parties on benzos are a different time. Sort of like tripping on psychedelics with a minor dosage of a benzo but that's a different story entirely.

Stim and benzo is totally safe. Benzos can be used to kill stim highs or smooth a comedown.

They don't really synergize they more so negate each others effects. A lil bit of benzos can be useful for some people to take the edge off stims.

Party it up, I'd be more worried about not feeling the stims than anything else yo.

I'm on 250μg of clonazolam and medium doses of two different stims and I feel deeee-eeee-eecent. My heart rate's still high but the /stim/ anxiety, shaking, and sweating have all but disappeared. Like StimLioness said, they almost cancel each other out. But I feel much better overall than I would on 4F-MPH (an anxiety-inducing stim) alone.

>>135886
Since I didn't even answer the OP's questions:

• If you want your stim to temporarily break through the benzo fog, I'd go with a strong DRI like one of the -phenidates, real coke, or any number of substituted cathinones. A long-lasting but smooth stimulant like meth or 2-FMA would probably feel more subdued by the /benz/ but encourage more productivity.
  
• Avoid compulsively dosing benzos (obviously) and pay attention to your heart rate even if you feel fine.
  
• No comment, since I've never used MDMA
  
• Not sure on this one either, but they should all be as safe as usual, providing you don't redose excessively.

fucking awesome

benzo + stim + disso, get it right and all inhibitions are gone

the weaker the benzo, the weaker the rest should be not to over power it

uppers and downers being bad is an opi thing not a benzo one.... if you take both one can wear off sooner and you od from the other... benzos however are an accepted treatment for stim ods

pure mdma should be really relaxing without help (some people will actually fall asleep on it), however a lot of dealers at stims to it.... 5-mapb if you can find it is even more relaxing

safe stims in general... things like mdpv/a-pvp can over power benzos and lead to stim psychosis

>>135889
tl;dr version

benzos bind to special sites on the gabaa receptor and make it more susceptible to activation by gaba

depending on the exact subtype you have balanced, more anxiolytic and more hypnotic ones

>>135891
how much google did you have to use in order to correctly type those chemical names? if none, call me genuinely impressed.

>>135892
0, I make them up myself for fun using marvin sketch,

Now if only I could find a vendor willing to synth them,,,,,

>>135747
although at a low dose you might find that you have some level of perceived clarity, it's not possible to say that "clonazolam stops having a detriment on cognitive abilities" without data. It's still an RC benzo and it's not well characterized. Not to say your experience is invalid for your lucid dreaming exercise, but just putting it out there that you can't make such broad sweeping statements without any kind of evidence

I took 0.5mg my first time, redosed about .25mg about two hours in and blacked out. Woke up in bed about 10 hours later.

Any way. I could seemlessly transition into sleep paralysis in about 30 seconds of laying down. I could focus on a noise, my whole body would buzz, and then I'd be in sleep paralysis. If you're any good at WILDing or anything else, it's super easy to transition into lucid dreams immediately from sleep paralysis. I have like 4 or 5 back to back. Crazy.

I've wanted to post a thread about benzo dreams since the beginning of June, when I had a neat experience with clonazolam. Looks like my procrastination has paid off!

I've never had "lucid dreams", but I had some wildly vivid dreams one of my first mornings after taking clonazolam. Every dream had a comedic or absurd twist, but most topics were so grounded in real life that they barely seemed surreal. The only one I remember is an ugly, misshapen face with thick, green sludge oozing from the mouth and nose. Like that character from The Goonies, but fatter and with a serious mucus problem. Ordinarily, such a dream would make me think I'm getting sick or something in my life has gone wrong, but it was just funny.

The "benzo dream" hasn't happened again since I started taking clonazolam at least three times a week.