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the future of drugs

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- Sat, 18 Jan 2020 18:54:42 EST sX6C5NLm No.148117
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sup /benz/
i'm a drug user, have been for almost 12+ years. during that time, i've really enjoyed weed, opiates (namely oxy & dilaudid), 2-FMA, speed, mdma, ketamine, and psychedelics (dmt, lsd, mushrooms)

back around 2010 i started using benzos regularly. eventually i got good insurance and have had a script for 2mg kpins twice a day which i take pretty religiously.

back when r/thebarbarians existed, I scored a nice fat 25g bag of alp powder for ultra-cheap from some chinese lab. I wish i could go back to how easy it was back then.

tl;dr: does anyone have any tips on how to reintegrate into today's DNM's? All of these clearnet sites claiming to sell everything under the sun are obviously bullshit. I also spent some time producing mushrooms and dmt, but after a couple large batches (over 100g dmt total) i started laying low and not spending money. i can't find decent gear outside of college towns or festivals. just wondering how you guys are coping with this because i want to get back into the game and get fucking gonzo again

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Phyllis Pallersane - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 02:34:48 EST uYCWFBq/ No.148152 Reply
the cheapest i can find alpraz powder 25 grams is 500 dollars usd. :c sounds like you got a good score. id lose that shit in a second.

Tapering off of clonazepam

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- Wed, 22 Jan 2020 01:50:43 EST h7vfxyE1 No.148141
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Sorry, detox is full of idiots smoking weed before their drug test and other drugs is busy getting high on Tylenol.

I was on 10mg of clonazepam a day for a bit over a year. I was buying off the DNM and I’m fairly certain they were either pressed or very expired. I took one fresh from the pharmacy and it was 2-3x stronger and felt different. So I guess i have no idea how much or what I was taking. For the last 6 weeks, I’ve been on phenobarbital. I took 30mg for 2 weeks, 15mg for 2 weeks, and now I’m taking 10mg. I’ve never really experienced withdrawal, but I’m scared. I have clonazepam and diazepam that I could take super short term (2-3 days) but only a few days of phenobarbital left. Any ideas on weaning off?
Oliver Blebberway - Wed, 22 Jan 2020 17:08:26 EST DKBkvbDV No.148146 Reply
Sorry, OP here.

I was on 10mg for 1 year, tapered the 10mg to .5mg, switched to solely taking phenobarbital, and am now on 10mg of phenobarbital per day. Wondering how long I should aim to taper phenobarbital before discontinuing. I have been off of benzos for approx 6 weeks
Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 22:46:47 EST eKhsO2nY No.148161 Reply
How did you get ahold of phenobarbital? For the vast majority of benzo tapers in the Western world people are given diazepam (Valium) or chlordiazepoxide (Librium) to taper with. Although, phenobarbital, butalbital, and a couple of other barbs are still prescribed in North America. Here are a few links for greater information and light reading:
https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/search.cfm?labeltype=all&query=phenobarbital&page=2&pagesize=20 [medication labels/inserts]

The reality of phenobarbital is that it is the oldest anticonvulsant still in use today. There's quite a bit of history surrounding the drug as well. Thus, a tremendous amount of research has been compiled over the last 100 years. Specific to your needs, we need to consider the drug's incredibly long duration of action (4 to 48 hours) and extremely long half-life (50 to 120 hours).

Tablets range in dosage from 15mg to 100mg, which is unlike most barbiturates. Currently, tablets range from 15mg to 64.8mg with varying dosage schedules dependent upon disorder and age. Previously, more popular barbs were typically available in 50mg and 100mg dosages.
Since you have lowered your dosage to 10mg per day, is this one single dosage or two dosage split up during the day?

>For the last 6 weeks, I've been on phenobarbital.
Did you order these online or is this medically supervised at all?

>I've never really experienced withdrawal, but I'm scared.
Mishandling a barb/benzo taper can have serious consequences such as seizure and even death.
Here is an abstract and citation on tapering phenobarbital versus clonazepam (I cannot find the full text. Maybe Google Scholar has it.):
Sullivan, M., Toshima, M., Lynn, P., & Roy-Byrne, P. (1993). Phenobarbital versus clonazepam for sedative-hypnotic taper in chronic pain patients: A pilot study. Annals of Clinical Psychiatry, 5(2), 123–128. https://0-doi-org.libus.csd.mu.edu/10.3109/10401239309148974

ABSTRACT: Conducted a randomized, double-blind controlled trial comparing phenobarbital and clonazepam for the purpose of sedative-hypnotic taper in 11 inpatients (mean age 46 yrs) with chronic, nonmalignant pain. Baseline dose of phenobarbital and clonazepam was maintained for 2 days and then tapered by 10% per day. Over the 1st wk of taper, differences in mean and maximum Beck Anxiety Scale scores and Benzodiazepine Withdrawal Scale (BWS) scores were insignificant. However, when Scale 1 (hypochondriasis), Scale 3 (hysteria), and Scale 8 (schizophrenia) of the MMPI were taken as covariates, differences on the BWS increased only to a trend level for mean scores and to a significant level for maximum scores. Findings support the superiority of benzodiazepines (i.e., clonazepam) over barbiturates (phenobarbital) for sedative-hypnotic taper for symptoms of withdrawal but not of recurrent or rebound anxiety. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2016 APA, all rights reserved)

>Any ideas on weaning off?
Tapering guide for phenobarbital: http://www.taperingstrip.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/PHNB_bestel_GB.pdf
Equivalency chart 1: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK64116/table/A85649/
Equivalency chart 2: https://physicians.utah.edu/echo/pdfs/sedative-hypnotic-equivalency-chart.pdf

>I have clonazepam and diazepam that I could take super short term
10mg diazepam = 30mg phenobarbital
So, 10mg phenobarbital = 3.33mg diazepam. You could stabilize on 3.33mg diazepam and then taper down by 10% per week until you are completely off the drug. However, you mentioned only having a small amount of clonazepam and diazepam. Diazepam will be a much better drug to taper with since lower dosages are possible to achieve by taking a half or quarter tablet. You could also make a volumetric solution in order to more precisely titrate the dosage. For your own sake I would strongly recommend seeking medical care if you run out of barbs/benzos. Avoid tapering with clonazepam if you can --- it's an extremely potent benzo and quite difficult to taper from and with. Diazepam is superior for tapering.
The good news is that 10mg phenobarbital (and 3.33mg diazepam) are quite a low dosage. You might be able to take a dosage every other day and decrease by 10% per week until you feel comfortable going 2-3 days before administering another dose due to the…
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Fucking Happerdit - Fri, 24 Jan 2020 00:18:03 EST sX6C5NLm No.148162 Reply
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quality post here. do not tl;dr, it is useful advice and information. My advice is don't over analyze the withdrawl. It's like thinking about it makes it worse. Notice the physical symptoms and act accordingly.

Otherwise, start smoking lots of weed and reducing doses.

Bump While Benz'd (BWB): Blackouts, Brown-outs, Medicinal Successes, and Collective Amnesia, Pt. IX

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!KqgSR25gAQ - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 07:02:45 EST wsOFceLF No.147800
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The old thread is not only no longer bumping, but is also out of date (Summer is long gone for those of us north of the equator). Several posters over the past couple of years have really stressed the importance of harm reduction and tapering guides to be pinned to the top of the board, but I have never seen any harm reduction thread pinned to the top of /benz/. As such, post when you're on benzos, have benzo or GABAergic questions not deemed suitable for their own thread(s), and whatever else you can conceive of when discussing benzodiazepines and their related drugs.

I would be remiss not to mention this thread, and board, are home to discussions of not only benzodiazepines, but also barbiturates, thienodiazepines (e.g. etizolam), RC benzos, gabapentin, pregabalin, Soma (carisoprodol), GHB and related analogues, phenibut, and other GABAergic drugs.

For the sake of safety, refer to the Ashton Manual for dosage conversions, medically advised tapering schedules, and other benzo-related facts (e.g. half-life, active metabolites, etc.). The Ashton Manual is essentially the benzo bible: https://benzo.org.uk/manual/index.htm

Medically safe rapid tapers involve a 10% dosage reduction per week or even per month. A modified version of this taper is to reduce dosages by a maximum of 10% per week (or month) until reaching 20% of the initial daily dosage. Upon reaching 20% of the original dosage, a person can then taper by 5% per week (or month) until their taper is complete. The main goal of tapering is to continue decreasing doses or at least remain at the same dosage for an extra few weeks or months rather than increase dosage. Tapering is a long and potentially deadly process with horrid withdrawal symptoms that can be mitigated by following medical guidelines and sticking to empirically reviewed taper schedules. Harvard University published a succinct, yet informative piece regarding CDC- and FDA-related guidelines for opioid tapering, which can be utilized for tapering benzos: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/undoing-the-harm-tapering-down-from-high-dose-opioids-2019051016622

BWB: 30mg diazepam, 20mg hydrocodone, 150mg hydroxyzine, 30mg cyclobenzaprine, and a glass of wine. I'm about to take 10mg zolpidem and pass out.
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Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Sun, 19 Jan 2020 23:34:55 EST RjSjORn8 No.148129 Reply
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Despite eating 16mg in .5mg Clonaz I got wayy comfy (had a shot of dope too) but I didn't seem to lose any memory. Anyway here's my stash pic from the past three days. I don't really take the gabs. They are mostly just picture filler. Same with the 2mg and 8mg Suboxone.
Charles Murdbanks - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 20:16:28 EST EX73QyG+ No.148158 Reply
  • 300mg lyrica

Feeling good tonight. Jamming to some oldschool tiesto and watching his gelredome 2004 concert vid. Damn I wish I was there.
Gimme Benzos - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 21:38:28 EST fs5aF+hM No.148160 Reply
I was very existed about getting some pregabalin and I finally got my hands on some 75mg pills so I took some and I'm, well, disappointed. I took 150mg initially then another 150mg about 3 hours later and it just feels like the world's worst stimulant, just somewhat better than caffeine. Have I been duped? Is pregabalin worse than gabapentin? Gabapentin is weak (feels more like a supplement) but I can enjoy it and use it. I did take 600mg of gabapentin last night for sleep (before I had the pregabalin) so maybe there's cross tolerance but I didn't get any pleasurable effects from the pregabalin.
I hope this is what I call a First Dose Response where I get a bad effect almost every time I try a new substance but the second time it works perfectly so I'm gonna try it again tomorrow or the day after. Also I took 300mg gabapentin about an hour ago because I was bored of the pregabalin effects and I feel so much better now.
The truth is I have to find some real benzos soon, fuck this gabapentinoid bullshit crap that doesn't do shit. I'll have to buy RC benzos if I don't find another option.
I have a couple of questions though. Does pregabalin require the doses to be staggered or is it better to take it all at once?
Can you snort this stuff (the pills are small so not much powder) or does that just leave a bitter taste at at the back of your mouth?

Generic Ativan 1mg

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!IZgeXR9w82 - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 20:58:11 EST SBBJa1uy No.148086
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Any Canadian /benz/ users ever seen generic 1mg Ativan that looks like the one in my pic? People buy them as Ativan and no one complains about it, they taste like Ativan but I'm still suspect. I've never seen someone's legit script in bottle to confirm.
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Jarvis Sendledale - Thu, 16 Jan 2020 00:19:05 EST rCOxVvaA No.148099 Reply
>I just don't understand why the 1,0 instead of just a one or even a 1.0 why the comma?
Well French Canadians use commas, so this probably means that drug companies are also looking out for the Québécois, not just the English-speaking. Or maybe this isn't true at all and some dumb leafrog simply made a shitty press/bought one from Europe. I don't know much about the Canadian benzo market and this post is just a eurofag brainstorming, but if I had to guess, I would go for the former, especially if I consider Dr. Katz's post.
Jarvis Sendledale - Thu, 16 Jan 2020 01:45:31 EST rCOxVvaA No.148100 Reply
According to a guideline made for Canadian drug companies by the Canadian government ( https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/reports-publications/medeffect-canada/good-label-package-practices-guide-prescription-drugs-profile/guidance-document.html#a336 ), they should look out for differences such as different decimal separators and try to be bilingual, but the government never said anything about preferring English in cases where only one language can be used.

Although it would be more logical for nation-wide companies to stick with English, there might manufacturers who focus on the French-speaking areas or target them independently from other parts of Canada. My guess is that this is more prevalent with hospitals buying drugs, since they will either want French or English, but this is just pure speculation. If they are from a hospital, that would also explain why you see a lot of people buying the same pills (well, I don't know much about black markets so this is also speculation and you should take it with a grain of salt). Maybe Katz could enlighten us about the medical side of things (or just anyone who is not a drug noob like me)

/enthusiastic rant over

Diazepam Doses

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- Mon, 20 Jan 2020 18:06:21 EST VSM1fhal No.148134
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I see a lot of people here praise Valium as the gold standard of benz, genuinely curious, what are your dosage levels like? And does the long half-life make it more difficult to use with shorter times between using (like 24 hours)?
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dr. m - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 15:39:48 EST UOwPxq3y No.148155 Reply
I couldn't agree more. Personally, for me, valium was lackluster as fuck apart from the muscle relaxation, at least in doses of like 40-50mg or less, whereas at the time of trying valium, the xanax equivalent or even less (like ~1.5mg+) was waaaay more pseudo-recreational.

Perhaps valium does shine, but my doses weren't high enough. Now I've been taking between ~5-15mg of etizolam/day about 3.5x/week though for almost a month, so once the diclaz arrives in a bit over a week, I'll be switching over for hopefully a somewhat short 30 day taper.

Everyone is definitely different though. I still haven't had clonazepam.
Nathaniel Pegglefud - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 15:48:56 EST 4HCo1Vnc No.148156 Reply
Funny thing is I dont like high dose of diazepam, they're very depressing and without lots of smoking or other drugs its too much of a downer. Higher doses of alpraz is definitely fun, i love the sea legs.
You should try clonazepam, it is quite different. In the usa at least, it is often prescribed as the crazy person benzo, probably for its anticonvulsant effect. In the past I took a lot, but its been many years now. I usually felt like a fun drug trip when I took one. It didnt really have the gentler parts of alpraz diaz etiz. Nice to enjoy once in awhile or to come down from stimulants.
Good luck tapering, I never enjoyed diclaz so I could see how it would be useful for tapering, though I am picky when it comes to benzos.
Cyril Fiblingmudge - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 16:07:03 EST VSM1fhal No.148157 Reply

what would you consider a strong dose of alprolozam? I weigh a lot (240lbs) and have always hard a naturally high baseline tolerance for most everything especially booze. I see a lot of people here say between 1.5 to 2mgs as a strong dose, but two bars (yes they're real, have scripts) only produces a very mild feelin/slight euphoria in addition to the anxiolytic effect.

I'm also on an SSRN and take amitryptyline so dunno what that matters

Locking away benzos to limit use

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- Wed, 22 Jan 2020 14:19:19 EST cPeAbnkX No.148143
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Anyone ever managed to find a good time-lock or something for this purpose?

I need to have restraint
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Augustus Memmlechudge - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 00:21:01 EST cPeAbnkX No.148149 Reply
shit they're expensive but i think i'm gonna get one, didnt know the existed thanks buddy
Phyllis Pallersane - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 02:23:52 EST uYCWFBq/ No.148151 Reply
yeah its called going to the hospital, getting a proper diagnosis(good luck getting ur 6mg xanax a day in there) , and getting spoon fed them on a daily basis by sexy / skanky old nurses while you mack on the chicks and draw ur shitty attempts at cartoons in the cafeteria hall whilst drinking decaf(aaaaalwwaaaysss the decaf) coffee.
Walter Pickway - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 14:20:50 EST Ujx9sa7K No.148153 Reply
in the end that moment of relaxation is always worth more than not smashing your k-safe

Reliable Etizolam Vendors in 2020

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- Mon, 20 Jan 2020 21:24:15 EST FZAa205Z No.148135
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Does anyone know reliable etizolam vendors in 2020

I used to order off OHMOD back in 2017 but they got shut down

Ive heard mixed reviews about etizola.com and they seem like the best bet. ive tried ordering from them before. and they take debit card but any time i request a payment link for debit it takes them days to send it or i dont get one at all!

Im also scared of getting ripped off

I normally just get impatient and end up ordering a bunch of phenibut instead

anyway, reliable quick US domestic prefered etizolam vendors is what im looking for. but if its not domestic and its reliable thats fine too

all the plugs where i live are unreliable as fuck. so i normally just get etizolam when i want a benzo. i think it actually produces better euphoria than lorazepam or klonopins tbh
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Cyril Corringwon - Tue, 21 Jan 2020 11:08:42 EST 86LjTa31 No.148138 Reply

Nigga you really are a fucking retard aren't you? Making retarded ass threads on /opi/ and here. Fuck off
Phyllis Pallersane - Thu, 23 Jan 2020 02:21:23 EST uYCWFBq/ No.148150 Reply
darknet fagot shutup

am I fucked?

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- Mon, 20 Jan 2020 06:43:23 EST 7mYwQBG7 No.148131
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I've taken lorazepam 5 nights in a row (0.5 - 1 mg each night) without prior benzo tolerance. Will I get withdrawals if I stop today? How long is it generally safe to take benzos for without becoming addicted?
Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Mon, 20 Jan 2020 10:58:05 EST ijqKTA4w No.148132 Reply
Typical benzo treatment is supposed to last under a month, but usually does not. Long-term usage is anything over 4 weeks of daily use. Physical addiction fully sets in between 6 and 26 weeks of daily use.
Lorazepam taken daily for 5 days in small quantities shouldn’t produce withdrawal symptoms. You might have some rebound anxiety with physical symptoms (nausea, sweating, etc.) and anxiety returning. Insomnia may occur for a little bit as well. Since lorazepam has anti-nausea properties it is often cited that people who abruptly stop or taper too quickly have an increase in nausea and vomiting. Personally, I can vouch for the increase in nausea following cessation.
But no, you shouldn’t need to taper by any means.

Pregabalin myoclonus

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- Wed, 25 Dec 2019 14:04:48 EST cPeAbnkX No.147995
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Ffs i took too much again now im twitching like ive for fucking MS and im scared i have a fit

Oh god dont take too much guya
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Beatrice Blathershaw - Fri, 03 Jan 2020 20:32:17 EST cPeAbnkX No.148043 Reply
yes I get this, what does was it bad for you at with the hypnic jerks? It's quite scary

Well lads i'm go ing to be on the valium again and no doubt posting regrets in a few months abotu how i've taken valium too mucfh and think i'm gona have a seiure haha lol
Henry Pillyderk - Fri, 17 Jan 2020 02:44:35 EST XiHqRv0i No.148108 Reply
the way I feel it is like a physical sensation and a psychological one, like every muscle in my body is jerking all at once but at the same time I get this weird, intense, very uncomfortable feeling that something has to happen immediately like I need to do something or react quickly to something, and then it goes away

other times it manifests more subtly as just this feeling of negative pressure, like I'm in a very slight vacuum
Isabella Giblingdudge - Mon, 20 Jan 2020 06:29:28 EST 0Dh7Ug8R No.148130 Reply
my doses have been getting up to near 2000mg pretty regularly & every time this happens I think the next one will be a seizure

Gabapentin and Pregabalin: GABAergic Drugs of Importance

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!KqgSR25gAQ - Sun, 17 Nov 2019 06:54:55 EST pDyRe7aP No.147680
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There is a possibility of receiving a script for either in the coming future. Personally, I only have experience with gabapentin, and holy shit, the variance of effects between dosages can really sneak up on you. I have never had the opportunity to take pregabalin, but I've head stories from loving the drug to downright loathing its existence without anyone falling in the middle range.

Who prefers one over the other and why?

Are the drugs better in isolation or taken in combination with other drugs?
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Alice Siffingpire - Fri, 06 Dec 2019 16:55:38 EST EX73QyG+ No.147850 Reply
I like gabapentin and lyrica more than I do opiates and I prefer them over actual benzos. The high I get from my experience with these is incredible, both mental and physical.
William Danningpidge - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 09:25:32 EST 0Dh7Ug8R No.148090 Reply
interesting thread, i'm doing 1000mg plus of pregabalin regularly, I find it stimulating more than anything, usually helps me read for hours which seems contradictory to the brain fog retardation mentioned here
Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Fri, 17 Jan 2020 01:20:57 EST 6fGmZV4r No.148107 Reply
Shit, I meant to reply 1.5 months back. Major thanks for all of the well stated, in depth information. As of yet I am still more interested in benzos, but I would not replace a benzo with gabapentin or pregabalin. Then again, that's just me.
Based on my experiences I would agree that gabapentin has a certain "dumb" feeling, but I would say the same stupor is probably due to being intolerant of the drug. Or, the fogginess of the drug is something more pronounced for some than others (of course).

In my case the idea was surrounding keeping a benzo around in addition to gabapentin, but more likely pregabalin. If I can I'd like to avoid taking much else on top of the shit I'm already prescribed. No sense in pushing myself too close to death.

1,000mg pregabalin is relatively high. Is this dosage for pain relief, anxiety, and/or recreation or what exactly? Hmm. The lack of brain fog, in your experience, is good to hear. Some people think opiates or benzos are too cloudy and put them into a stupor. Gotta love individuality and subjective drug reactions.
A lot of people are prescribed gabapentin or pregabalin in North America. Both drugs are crazy popular. People seem a bit on the fence about the fogginess. Alleged, pregabalin is less sedating than gabapentin. Any merit to this?


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- Fri, 29 Nov 2019 19:07:10 EST jGaHMVL1 No.147778
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Sup dudes

Got a script for 30mg tammies but haven't taken anything other than phenergan and trazodone and syrup for insomnia before. I haven't been honest with my doctor because of mah jerb and shit but is it a good idea to get on benzos if you have no tolerance for sleeping pills atm and are suicidal with a past history of extreme paranoia and probably latent schizophrenia like 7ish years ago?

I'm thinking this is a bad idea but aside from niquil and phenergan, sleeping drugs don't work for me. I'm thinking starting 30mg of temazepam is a bad idea. Doc keeps saying I'm bipolar but I don't think that is the case at all. I'm just depressed as fuck and stay up for 30-40 hours at a time and cycle on and off between sleeping a lot and none.

I'll be honest, benzo's scare me a bit and I've been with fucked up sleep systems or whatever for over a decade so I handle it very well. Afraid I might be going down a road to severe drug addiction, I don't have nothing left to lose and am already suicidal and don't give a fuck. Should I just toss em and say they make me sick or some other lie? I wasn't complaining about insomnia or being tired and shit, the doc just threw them at me like trick or treat candy, along with a lot of other antipsychotics and antidepressants. I've been on about 10 different drugs so far and they all make me feel like shit or make me skittish as fuck.

Sorry if /qq/, I just trust the wise wisdom of 420chan psychonauts

Also, you guys familiar with navane?
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Henry Tootshit - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 18:37:11 EST 4HCo1Vnc No.148092 Reply
I dated a Jewish girl who was dx bipolar and many other things. Her psychiatrist wrote her 60-90 30mg temazepam/month (whatever the max was, 60 or 90), also max dose generic adderall, librium, xanax. Her would write her codine and hydrocodone sometimes too (for depression and special events). This was when she was in high school too. Like 2006-10. I met him and he was a loon, or at least not playing by the rules. I guess rich people psychiatrists give the good drugs.
Hugh Bronkinwit - Thu, 16 Jan 2020 03:21:47 EST akNXjINh No.148101 Reply
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OP here, still off all that shit. Got some tinnitus that randomly starts ringing and my dick is still broke but I think all the other side effects are gone now. Glad I got off that shit without too much damage. Starting to lose a bit of weight now but every time I sleep I get really bad heart burn but I think that is from being a fat fuck now.

Starting a new job next month but it is shitty pay and in a field I'm not good at nor do I want to do.

I guess we'll see, thought I might get a boost from getting hired but it has caused more existential dread than anything else. Guess my main problem is I've just petered out. I got to work for another half dozen decades and then die. Why not just go on and do it now eh? Life means nothing when there is no future.

>After quitting therapy and all these drugs and shit I'm pretty well convinced all this shit is just a scam to make money. It is a lifestyle for nearly all of the people I've met through this shit. Get dope, get zombified, and stop functioning in life. I don't see how they do it. I utterly loathe existence but I'd rather have a bit of control. I dunno, maybe it just didn't get me high enough to dismiss caring about shit. None of the drugs worked as intended anyways.
James Dibbleville - Thu, 16 Jan 2020 15:23:41 EST VGzhf7nb No.148103 Reply
The weird test, many psychs offer this. I don't actually think they know it works.
But actually rely on it. I personally kinda cringe about the reliability of these and or those offering and their reading these. Just my opinion. I don't see it.

I had some difficulty, some time back. It was pretty much ongoing life and death
situation(s). What finally I found was a general practitioner Dr. Who I immediately found very sincere and trustful. She had spent an extra 4 years in medicine to become I guess practicing psychiatrist. She settled on ultimately general practice medicine with a major corporation with her own office, prectice. Like cigna, etc. She if very well known internet-wise she comes up all over the place.

Anyway, I explained what was going on. (no sleep) She initially prescribed z-drugs, ambien which was good for 4 hours of sleep a night. Then she said lets maybe see how trazadone does. Is that ok with you? saying it is an anti-depressant. I wasn't keen on taking what some may call crazy drugs.
I gave it a try because I knew she was working with me. Not just throwing stuff at me and she was sincere.

Trazadone is often called a poor persons ambien when prescribed off-label for sleep. $12 for 90 pills or so. It is widely used for that purpose, for sleep. It did have it's anti-depresssant qualities aside from just being able to sleep which was notable and a nice step in the right direction.

Previous, had been relying on larger amounts of diphenhydramine for sleep, and larger amounts of alcohol. Alcohol worked for as long as drinking, hours, then sleep with diphenhydramine, but it definitely wasn't the right solution. Slept but still really felt like shit in doing so when I woke up. Then do it all over again. That is what I had to look forward to.

So trazadone was total relief.

Im on day two back on it (trazadone) after some recent issues mirtazapine wasn't working for sleep. To reset things with it, It already has. I can stay on it or go back to mirtazapine, these have always been interchangable for me.

Zoloft prozac, are a no-go for me, buspar as well I believe?

Ultimately, found mirtazapine an anti-depressant for sleep. 7 to 15 mgs. & 7 mgs usually worked better than 15 for sleep. 30 mgs is a common anti-depressant dosage.

For most prescribed less is more as far as sleep. (mirtazapine) slept simply 8 hours, was sleeping in 15 minutes of taking it.

To make this short the days still had (at times) severe anxiety issues. So she prescribed me clonazepam to compliment the mirtazapine.

So in the end, 15 mg mirtazapine, which I explained 7 mgs did better for sleep. She said yes,
it is a drug that less can be more. Same goes with trazadone for many.

A new Dr recently gave me trazadone, he was trying to offer a different antidepressant. I asked can you give me trazadone, he agreed. I didn't want some antidepressant that would take me a way off direction. I know trazadone, it is kinda difficult to judge dosage, and sleep for 12 14 hours. Not wanting to actually get up. This was jsut to get things back on track.
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- Mon, 11 Nov 2019 15:18:44 EST nIrHVqSM No.147624
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I know this is a barbiturate and not a benzo, i just figured this would be the beat place to make a thread about it.

Anyone have experience with this little known chem?

Only info i can find about it is its used in Russia medically at doses of 50 to 100mg for seizures, and its purported to be a phenobarbital prodrug but i cant find any scientific info that explicitely says that.

I may have about a gram of this stuff soon and am wondering if anyone knows what its like an how to dose it.
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Simon Pinninglock - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 00:25:57 EST gdd6sHlZ No.148083 Reply
50-100 mg's sounds incredibly high, but I've also never fucked with barbiturates. As previously stated, the therapeutic windows so small that it's easy to OD on the stuff. We use it to sac our animals in lab so I'm probably more scared of the stuff.
Henry Tootshit - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 18:30:15 EST 4HCo1Vnc No.148091 Reply
barbs are kinda like alcohol or phenibut, where you need a higher dose (compared to benzos). not as potent as benzos
Shit Peddleham - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 03:01:19 EST 5TJwVwwM No.148096 Reply
Naw, I don't think you actually need a higher dose than what is presented.

Hearing loss from withdrawal

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- Wed, 01 Jan 2020 22:25:09 EST DxXbaTfv No.148028
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So my tinnitus is 90% gone from my withdrawal but spasms in my ears have consistently left them sore and my hearing dulled.

Did anyone else get this? Did you hearing fully return eventually?
Henry Tootshit - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 18:38:56 EST 4HCo1Vnc No.148093 Reply
sometimes it does, sometimes it don't . if you slowly tapered per ashton manual then you have a good chance of it healing proper

CBD and gaba receptors

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- Tue, 11 Jun 2019 17:33:53 EST 86LjTa31 No.146096
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I know benzos work on gaba receptors (obviously). I did a little research and read CBD does as well. I need to get my benzo tolerance down bad and was considering picking up some CBD from the shop I work at. It's real quality stuff, not smoke shop shit. My question is will this help get my tolerance down even though it works on the same receptors, if I don't take any benzos? Sorry if this is a retarded question
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 11:24:14 EST I6YS7H0F No.146101 Reply
There will not be a significant reduction in tolerance. Frankly, I have never heard of anyone using CBD or THC for anything but synergy with benzos.
(Hey boys and girls is this your frisbee?) - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 00:46:17 EST rFpXtJkl No.148089 Reply
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