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xan first time

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- Mon, 23 Sep 2019 11:43:45 EST mC81D8BW No.147221
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how much i can take for first time (sory for my bad english but i prefer get me high than study english)
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:32:38 EST qkzTPNFj No.147222 Reply
>>147221
Anywhere from 0.5mg to 1.5mg should be decent. Avoid drinking alcohol on benzos. Also, be cautious with what you are doing and where you are at. Benzos have a tendency to decrease inhibitions.

Highdose Ashwaghanda

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- Fri, 20 Sep 2019 10:46:04 EST jW0v/dZ8 No.147199
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So I just recently discovered this plant and it works very well for my anxiety, way better than kava, mulungu etc. I take 0,5 to 1g per serving and was wondering whether a high dose of it (5g or more) would beneficial or if it could cause negative sideeffects? Anyone here experienced with ashwagandha?
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Brain - Fri, 20 Sep 2019 14:08:53 EST FlhZcZS0 No.147200 Reply
>>147199
If it works very well and you ain't required benzos, why try to push this and possibly make this ineffective?
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Hugh Drozzledale - Mon, 23 Sep 2019 04:34:48 EST jW0v/dZ8 No.147219 Reply
>>147200
It works good, but sometimes I have to take a benzo in addition for a sufficient effect. I was wondering whether a high dose of ashwagandha will have a stronger anxiolotic effect or whether it would just cause side effects.

Best benzo for sex

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- Wed, 11 Sep 2019 05:05:14 EST m07omdiI No.147075
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What benzos increases libido the most / is most suitable for sex?
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Thu, 12 Sep 2019 20:13:13 EST qkzTPNFj No.147104 Reply
>>147089
Etizolam is much more potent and has many desirable effects. The drug kicks in rather quickly and has a duration similar to alprazolam. Oxazepam is one of those benzos that even on paper sounds like shit.
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BenzoBob - Fri, 13 Sep 2019 12:15:06 EST MUSU/fIQ No.147114 Reply
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How much muscle relaxation do you get from Etizolam? I imagine its better than xanax but also weaker than say Rivotril. Also using 2 benzos at once not a good idea or can it synergise well
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Sat, 21 Sep 2019 03:39:05 EST qkzTPNFj No.147213 Reply
>>147114
Etizolam’s muscle relaxation is negligible at best.

Using multiple benzos at once does have synergy, but be cautious with initial dosages (take a lower amount of each than you typically would with each drug solo) and try to avoid re-dosing, driving, alcohol, and other drugs.

BWGQ: Bump with Gabaergic Questions

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- Mon, 09 Sep 2019 01:31:59 EST Jlot+jMU No.147045
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Post any questions regarding Benzodiazepines or Gabaergic chemicals and I will answer. I thought it would be nice to give back, I will do my utmost to be your personal anxiolytic medication.

Worried you have taken too much?
Substance interactions?
Health concerns?
Taper advice?

For both therapeutic and recreational information please first see if your questions can be sufficiently answered by:

Professor C. Heather Ashton - Benzodiazepines: How they work & How to withdraw (aka The Ashton Manual)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsjhqdE7-6A
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Chan - Thu, 19 Sep 2019 15:08:09 EST DPA8sSzN No.147188 Reply
>>147186
>Disclaimer: totally unofficial/non-professional medical advice from a nobody
>It is of the utmost importance to seek professional advice with these chemicals

I don't believe there should be any problem. However a quote from the Wikipedia article "Mainly due to the poor quality of clinical research with the plant, there is no high-quality evidence that it provides any medicinal benefit and may cause adverse effects if taken together with prescription drugs.". Again I would say it is fine but would research as much as possible for harm reduction measures before taking it.
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Ernest Bubberdock - Fri, 20 Sep 2019 07:04:44 EST c0nRytkF No.147195 Reply
>>147188
>>147186

>
I don't believe there should be any problem. However a quote from the Wikipedia article "Mainly due to the poor quality of clinical research with the plant, there is no high-quality evidence that it provides any medicinal benefit and may cause adverse effects if taken together with prescription drugs.". Again I would say it is fine but would research as much as possible for harm reduction measures before taking it.

This is horseshit, ashwagandha is one of the most studied plants/supplements around

https://examine.com/supplements/ashwagandha/

>Ashwagandha appears to be involved in signalling through the GABAA receptor, as its beneficial influences on sleep are abolished with GABAA antagonists and potentiated by GABAA agonists[119] and the ability of ashwagandha to enhance GABAA signalling via diazepam has been noted elsewhere with 5µg of the methanolic extract[120] and 100-200mg/kg oral ashwagandha (mice).[121]
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Ernest Bubberdock - Fri, 20 Sep 2019 07:11:56 EST c0nRytkF No.147196 Reply
>>147186

Just slowly taper the benzos and use ashwagandha, its an adaptogen

>Ashwagandha is known as an adaptogen compound, which may be due to the withanolide glycosides (ie. Withanoside IV rather than Withaferin A).[152][153][154] Adaptogens tend to reduce the perception of stress, and while their mechanisms are not well known in the case of Ashwagandha it may be related to preventing a stress-induced increase in NADPH diaphosphorase[128] (ie. nNOS[155][156]) which may be related to preserving the decrease in its negative regulators (serotonin) while preventing its positively regulators (corticosterone, glutamate) from increasing during stress.[128]

Lyrica

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- Sat, 14 Sep 2019 08:55:09 EST MDf9rpQf No.147124
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Does anybody have a rough equivalence ratio between Lyrica (Pregabalin) and benzos (klonopin specifically)? I know they are totally different drugs but i'm withdrawing from benzos and i need to know how much pregabalin to take. Thanks
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John Worrycocke - Wed, 18 Sep 2019 15:31:20 EST gACrxJp9 No.147179 Reply
>>147124
I feel monged if i take too much pregaba

but if i take the right amount i become more sociable

gaba gaba hey

KETOGENIC DIET

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- Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:10:42 EST PiiYACA7 No.147154
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I just discovered that a Ketogenic diet profusely reduce withdrawal symptoms of long term benzo use.
But if a take a high carb meal in this period, I will get inmediatly high anxiety, depersonalization and insomnia for nearly two days
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:44:36 EST qkzTPNFj No.147168 Reply
I know some people who’ve gone through ketosis via the Whole 30 or keto diet. Not everyone experiences a decrease in baseline pain, anxiety, and stress. While a healthy diet can help some people I think more research has yet to find a conclusive significant correlation between Diet A and Symptoms x/y/z decreasing.

>>147154
>>147155
I second this.

Clonazolam

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- Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:39:33 EST 00IhxmNn No.147166
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Sup /benz/

I was hoping if anybody knows does clonazolam's metabolites pop for benzos. I've found some good articles and all they really say is that they are detectable if looked for not that they specifically pop for benzos. The main metabolite is 7-aminoclonazolam. Thanks!
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:48:47 EST qkzTPNFj No.147169 Reply
>>147166
Here’s the scoop: Sometimes. Clonazolam has been hailed as one of the only benzos that does not lead to failing a UA 100% of the time for some people based on certain drug tests. However, because some people do still fail their UAs after ingesting clonazolam it would not be beneficial or even morally acceptable for anyone on this board to tell you, “yeah, you’ll almost never fail a UA if you only take clonazolam.”
My stance has always been to minimize risk and not use.

Someone else might have some more depth.
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Hugh Choffingstone - Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:04:21 EST 00IhxmNn No.147170 Reply
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>>147169
Appreciate it Dr. Katz, glad to see you're still on this board. It has been a while since I've been back. I really shouldn't risk it. They way they do it at my job is immunoassay done in a very poor manner. Basically they take a "batch" of urine. They take half of every sample put it into one and test it via immunoassay if the batch pops they then GC-MS every individual. Basically my only risk would be if there is cross reaction on the immunoassay or if someone in my batch pops for something and their GC-MS reveals something.

benz drug testing help, especially for peeps on (non drug related) probation

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- Sun, 15 Sep 2019 18:29:53 EST 1U6/0O1S No.147145
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oh god oh fuck so /benz/ i have an urgent question
i'm usually a /hooch/ guy myself but this is the last night i'd need my nightly drink but I couldn't afford anything. I scoured the floor of my/my sister's side of our bedroom and found some half broken xanax bars just lying around the floor when she was hard into that. i'd always see that some of the ones she got were bunk but some were really good and so far I'm having the feeling that there *very* good

in any case, my question is, in my complete retardation took the bars to stave off the alcohol withdrawal, not realizing that I have a probation meeting coming up in 3 days. It's not a drug offence probation but they did drug test me once a good while back earlier (and I did come up clean!) but i'm starting to near the term where i could finish off my sentence half way through for good behaviour. I have a feeling this is another point where they'd wanna test me before i get off, but I don't know, and I don't want to take any chances. Do you think the xanax will have left my body by the next 2 and a half days, or is there any good detox drinks or something i could do to make it undetectable?

pls help and thanks <3
thanks <3
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Nigel Murdforth - Sun, 15 Sep 2019 19:46:28 EST 1U6/0O1S No.147148 Reply
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>>147146
>>147147
but there has to be a detox drink for that right
i see them all the time in smoke shops and gas stations
do they work?
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Brain - Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:59:36 EST qM27bOms No.147153 Reply
>>147148
No, not normally. Have you thought about getting clean piss from someone else?
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Martin Bossleville - Fri, 20 Sep 2019 20:38:32 EST TTCzQoTo No.147206 Reply
>>147148
no certainly not in 3 days. you need to not get tested or someone elses piss

Benzo tolerance

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!!25vT6KkZ - Tue, 27 Aug 2019 19:48:22 EST emqn/+6D No.146968
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So 2-3 years ago I would buy a gram of etizolam go through it in about a month withdrawal wait a month and buy another gram. I did this about 6 or 7 times my tolerance was through the fucking roof when I stopped. I have been clean since then and recently I bought some more from a reputable vendor and 7.5mg is barely giving me a buzz. I am pretty sure it isnt underdosed because this guy has a discord filled with benzo fiends and they would call him out. Is my tolerance permanently fucked because it feels so underwhelming.
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Frederick Hungerpen - Sun, 15 Sep 2019 03:44:16 EST 3+mnFvhZ No.147137 Reply
>>147052
you have a major problem, it is only going to get worse from here. Ultimately it will end in hospital, death, or prison.
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Reuben Fabblebine - Sun, 15 Sep 2019 04:46:04 EST 4pk3Z7WB No.147139 Reply
>>146968
I have some pressed bars that have etizolam but I'm new to benzos. What's the best way to take it?

Diclaz vs clonazolam

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- Fri, 13 Sep 2019 15:32:14 EST PvBCgkzm No.147115
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How is Diclazepam vs colanzolam? Had some clonaz, it was nice but it was hard to find a sweet spot with it. You either weren’t high enough or you were blacked out and didn’t remember anything the next day. Some place I used upped the price for clonaz and I’m looking at diclaz now. Would it be better for me to go with that instead?
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Sat, 14 Sep 2019 01:05:13 EST hyPyNb1G No.147120 Reply
>>147115
Diclazepam has a much broader range of uses than clonazolam. Objectively, one could still black out with and become addicted to diclazepam. The drug is great for long-lasting anxiety and for tapering. But, diclazepam is almost never talked about in recreational settings as it is extremely similar to lorazepam (Ativan) and lorazepam is even one of diclazepam’s active metabolites.
Outside of the fact that both diclazepam and clonazolam are benzodiazepines their individual safety profile, therapeutic index, duration, and dosage curve are nothing alike.
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Sidney Hiddleridge - Sat, 14 Sep 2019 10:16:37 EST 2fOKw+fS No.147126 Reply
>>147120
Ah, I see. I’m looking for something more on the recreational side. How is Flubromazolam in comparison to clonaz? Or just your opinion on it in general. Heard mixed things but overall seems like a pretty solid recreational value. Unfortunately I can’t just buy fucking etiz because it’s illegal here because otherwise I’d have done it a long time ago.
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Mr Shoe - Sat, 14 Sep 2019 10:21:02 EST 3+mnFvhZ No.147128 Reply
>>147115
The main thing you need to keep in mind with Clonazepam is that it's half life is 40 or so hours, which is super long, especially considering it takes 4-5 half lives for a substance to leave your body

Eti

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- Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:14:40 EST XUvhiudI No.147084
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Does etizolam show up on drug tests? I heard yes or no. I think it’s a false positive thing where popping a little gives you a faint line and popping a lot gives you a fail. I have some benzo piss tests at my house I could try some other brands too. I’m not sure if it takes a lot to cause a false positive or if it’s like benzos where it shows up for a few days and takes awhile to get out

What about the cpam I see people talking about
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Fri, 13 Sep 2019 02:21:59 EST qkzTPNFj No.147107 Reply
>>147105
People who do not have insurance are able to receive government aid in order to receive healthcare for both physical and psychological problems.

For the U.S. the most commonly Rx'd benzos are as follows in descending order: alprazolam (Xanax), lorazepam (Ativan), clonazepam (Klonopin), and diazepam (Valium). All of the "big four" benzos have generics and at least two of them (but maybe all four) have been placed on the Essential Medicines list by the World Health Organization (WHO).
While doctors have been moving away from prescribing opioids and benzodiazepines there are still doctors who understand some patients/clients respond better to one class of drugs versus another. Many doctors are still prescribing benzos.

>Suggestion
Seek community mental health so you do not have to pay for therapy sessions, can easily establish medication appointments with a psychiatrist, and pay little to nothing for medication.

>>147106
Other benzos have various active metabolites besides the actual drug/chemical in its original state prior to being processed and metabolized by the body. Just because diazepam will metabolize into nordiazepam, oxazepam, and temazepam does not mean someone with a benzo script will fail their UA simply for having benzos present.

This is much different than OP's statement. Etizolam in most cases will flag for benzos and can then be sent off for lab testing. Etizolam does not have active metabolites that are technically prescribed/allowed for UAs unless the test is general and someone already has a benzo script.
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Fucking Dizzlecocke - Fri, 13 Sep 2019 06:04:15 EST XUvhiudI No.147109 Reply
>>147107
Does that mean I have to submit tax documents and shit to the government? That’s why I couldn’t get healthcare I don’t have any of those or anything to prove income

Is there like specific doctors that are cheap because government funding the trips to the doctors are cheap?
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:41:07 EST qkzTPNFj No.147113 Reply
>>147109
You, or a case worker, will need to find a means of obtaining your proof of income documentation. Having W-2 forms from current/prior work should suffice, but if you’ve never worked you wouldn’t have a typical set of W-2s lying around. If you’ve never had employment then programs exist to to assist you. Also, looking into Medicaid to help defer the cost of sessions, appointments, transportation, medication, etc. could have a massive benefit for daily life.

>Specific doctors that are cheap
In many community mental health agencies therapists/counselors-in-training (CITs) cannot bill for therapy unless it is through Medicaid. Even then, the therapist/CIT does not directly make money off of you. Therapists/CITs may be working toward licensure and have completed their degree or are still in graduate school for their M.A., M.S., PsyD, or PhD. Regardless, it is highly recommended to have a mental health therapist for talk therapy in addition to having a psychiatrist (M.D.) or nurse specializing in mental health to assist with medications. Depending on characteristics of your area and how accessible mental health assistance is there is also a strong possibility for your psychiatrist and therapist to be in the same building.

A vast majority of community mental health agencies will have sliding scale rates that are solely based on income level. Again, having Medicaid could help with the bulk of the cost. Still, you will have to seek all of this information, which takes a fair amount of time. For any reason if you cannot properly gather all of your information or are unable to research mental health therapists in your area a case worker (CSS) could provide a wealth of support. CSSs actually bring in the most money to the field, but make the least amount of money. Many clients I have seen over the past 2+ years often have a CSS, master’s or doctoral level clinician, a psychiatrist for assessment of symptoms and medication, and a nurse specializing in mental health for assistance/needs in between psychiatric appointments.

Somadril (Carisoprodol)

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- Wed, 11 Sep 2019 01:59:47 EST wonTsFoe No.147071
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Is this substance just as, or less "addictive" and habit forming as the weaker benzos? if you was to scale the filthiness of the drug would it be more or less filthy than say Oxazepam? Is it only a relaxant or does it have pain relief qualities too. Also is it good combo to take with speed? any particular good combo? what about taking it together with anti psychotics
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 02:36:30 EST qkzTPNFj No.147073 Reply
>>147071
Carisoprodol is a rather unusual muscle relaxant as it works similarly to the action of barbiturates. As such, carisoprodol acts on GABA-a (which, is the same receptor as benzodiazepines). Baclofen acts on GABA-b. Outside of those two muscle relaxers I cannot think of any off of the top of my head with specific a GABAergic mechanism of action.
By in large, carisoprodol is much more difficult to obtain a script in current times than say 20 years ago. Many muscle relaxers are prescribed in favor for a higher safety profile, decreased likelihood of abuse, and relatively minimal side-effects. Cyclobenzaprine and tizanadine are probably the two most common muscle relaxers in the U.S.

>Is this substance just as, or less "addictive" and habit forming... ?
Objectively, Soma has a host of potentially addictive properties. I would say the drug is relatively on par for addiction potential as mainstream intermediate and long-lasting benzos.

>Oxazepam
Oxazepam is one of the few benzos I wanted to try for several years, but was ultimately told it is a garbage benzo. I cannot give specific feedback on oxazepam, but I have experience with diazepam, clonazepam, alprazolam, lorazepam, diclazepam, and etizolam as well as other muscle relaxers and z-drugs (and gabapentin).

>Does it have other pain relief qualities too
I wouldn't say carisoprodol could replace a decent opiate (e.g. hydrocodone), but the drug is definitely the most desired muscle relaxer for recreational purposes. As one's muscles do relax a decrease in pain can happen but we aren't talking about a drug that directly affects opioid receptors.

>Good combo to take with speed?
I'm not a fan of stimulants, but I don't see why comibing Soma with speed/amphetamines would be inherently bad. Many people use caffeine or prescription stimulants to combat the sedation of muscle relaxers.

>Together with anti-psychotics
Sleep or extreme grogginess should be expected.

Multiple Highs per Day. Is it Possible?

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- Mon, 02 Sep 2019 12:33:04 EST JZT9mh0p No.147003
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I am creating this thread to ask a question about taking multiple doses of a short-acting benzo and where you can still reach the same level of high twice in a single day.

2mg Ativan at 7am produced a euphoric buzz that has lasted to 11:24am
at the time of this post.

My question is how long would I need to wait in order to achieve that same buzz
I received this morning?

Is it possible to get the same level of euphoric buzz from benzos twice in one day, or do my neurotransmitters become empty and require 24 hours in order to replenish?
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Dextrolord - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 13:35:35 EST 7/VhkBhG No.147026 Reply
>>147003
Lorazepam ia not a short acting benz it's about the same as clonazepam, you will get more effects if u take more today but to get the full experience wait till tomorrow
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stoned chocobo - Sun, 08 Sep 2019 12:16:43 EST VYDukAm1 No.147041 Reply
>>147003
for me if i dose a benzo im feeling atleast groggy and out of it for the rest of the day, and idk about getting "high" either just releaved and relaxed. that being said when i had Etizolam and norflurazepam i would redose a couple times on some days.
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Brain - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 02:15:09 EST qM27bOms No.147072 Reply
>>147003
Fuck yea its possible. You will just develop tolerance fast and have to take 4mg instead of the normal 2 eventually to receive the same buzz.

I feel like this matters on patterns of usage. If you use 2-3 times a week i couldn't see 2 days in a row a big deal. But everday benzo usage will lead to what i stated above if you are really looking for that empty "high"

Valerian/passion flower potentiate benzos

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- Sat, 07 Sep 2019 09:58:30 EST KFgLQasJ No.147039
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sup dudes, quick question. can valerian or passionflower be used to potentiate a benzo like vallium, i ask because ive heard that herbal remeidies like valerian hit GABA receptors like a benzo albeit much, much weaker (GABA-A i belive ive read before) so i put two and two togehter and thought that there could be a potentiating synerge between a benzo and a herbal supplement like valerian.
Sorry if its a dumb question but i can find much info on this.
Thanks dudes.
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Albert Fanshaw - Mon, 09 Sep 2019 18:48:27 EST gj4uC5KA No.147058 Reply
>>147039
Have you watched the Sopranos lately or what? Unless you down a shit ton of it you probably won't get any proper benz like effects, especially if you are already a benzo user and have physical as well as psychological tolerance and much higher expectations from similar drugs, herbs, supplements.
Pregabalin and gabapebtin are really good though, both for potentiation and mixing in a bit higher doses. If you can get them, it's really worth trying.

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