/benz/ Benzodiazepine Discussion
Sorry if you guys get this thread every other day.Any supplements or the like? Kava kava is supposed to work in a similar GABAergic way. Don't say alcohol for goodness sake lolI have been taking quite a bit of clonazepam and lorazepam to get through the days and sleep at night but have unwisely run out rather suddenly, used to taking 4mg+ clonazepam and 4-6mg lorazepam on some days (including yesterday) any tips would be appreciated. Besides not being such a drug dependent goofball
>>144761Whoops. Thought I was on /opi/.All you can use OP are other weak gabaergics, like kava kava, chamomile, valerian root, etc. Hydroxyzine and clonidine can help. Booze can help if it's just a few days before getting more benzos, but if you're planning to get off them entirely then dont touch booze. Gabapentin/lyrica can help but dont use that stuff for more than like 5-7 days to make sure you don't get a double dependency.
valerian root, but you need huge doses for it to do anything, 1.5l of very strong tea feels like around 2mg diazepam to meclonidine for the hr/bpand the most obvious of all taperjust buy some diclazepam/n-methyl clonazepam/3-ho-phenazepam online read the ashton manual, divide the doses of diazepam it gives by ~10 and that's your diclazepam/n-methyl clonazepam/3-ho-phenazepam doseall 3 will work fine for a taper due to long hl and are around the same potency so dividing the diazepam dose from the ashton manual will give a good starting numberneither is particularly hypnotic, and while I have no proof I feel that the more hypnotic ones aren't ideal for taperingdiclazepam feels like a lorazepam that lasts forever, n-methyl clonazepam is very similar to clonazepam and 3-ho-phenazepam to phenazepamnot sure why you are opposed to tapering? it's the best solution and a long slow taper will have practically 0 discomfort Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Thanks for the replies guys! Think I'm gonna be okay!
I like to do Benzos on the weekends (usually Friday and Saturday), specifically Alprazolam and Etizolam. Experienced my first seizure in my life this week, and I can't tell if my Benzo habit caused it. I went a little crazy last weekend and went through 60mg of Etizolam, because I blacked out and did 40mg in one night. Still don't know how I blacked out, because I only took 10mg originally. But it happened. Could such a heavy dosage lead to physical dependence in such a short time span? Usually I would go through 20-30mg a weekend, and never had issues with withdrawal symptoms. I thought I would be able to avoid the more nasty stuff if I kept things spaced out by 5-6 days, especially since Etizolam has a shorter half life than alprazolam. At the same time, I had gotten maybe 6 hours of sleep in the past three days leading up to the seizure, was smoking a lot of cigarettes, and had no food in my belly the day of the seizure (which was about 5 days since my last Benzo use), and I also took some Sudafed the morning of, which I've read can increase seizure risk. I was also anxious because I had an important work project to finish that day. How fucking dumb would it be to take like 5mg a night this weekend? If that's excessively stupid, how long should I wait before doing Benzos (in much more limited quantities) again?
>>144028AFAIK the liver issues with kava have been seen solely with preparations made with parts of the plant other than the root and with alcohol based commercial extracts/tinctures often both - cheap commercial alcohol based tinctures which also included non-profit plant parts. Combining kava and alcohol is a known no no so why these existed at all is a good question.
>>144027This describes me well. I'm in a position where I can't drink - it just makes me sick every time, even half a beer, half a glass of wine, or a shot of something. And I just don't really like it. For me, benzos are fantastic, because i don't enjoy the feeling of too much, and don't chase any euphoria - I just take enough to bring my anxiety down to normal levels. It was actually bizarre to me the first time I had a benzo years ago (small dose of prescribed kpin), because it made me realize what anxiety was, that I had it severely, and the whole "woah, this is what it feels like to be normal?" feeling. Today, I just use etiz because I can't get a script for anything. I generally take, at most, 1mg, and I'm fine. I've never gone past 2mg, and i've been using it for about 2 years. I take it roughly every other day, and do my best to not take it unless needed - but there's of course a massive draw to being able to feel normal on a tiny dose. That said, I no longer have a source, and am terrified for when I run out (I should have at least 6 months left, but I really need to figure something out. It's not ideal, but I've come to accept that my quality of life just improves so significantly to make using it, or any benzo, therapeutically worth it)
PREFACE: I am well aware of the notorious potential physical dependency and rapid tolerance build up that benzos have. I understand that benzos are not to be underestimated. But I nevertheless think this class of drug can be immeasurably beneficial to me, a deeply mentally ill person. Alright lads. So I have a documented anxiety disorder, and tomorrow I'm going to ask my long time shrink about potentially giving me benzos. I've gotten mixed reports on the difficulty of getting benzos. Some say it's easy (my normie wine-aunt has the shit, and I sure as shit know she doesn't have an anxiety disorder or PTSD and shit). However, others have told me it's the second hardest shit to get prescribed short of getting opiates because of the celebrity deaths and general stigma regarding downers. That being said, I have been seeing this guy for a while (established trust and what not) BUT I don't think he's a big fan of benzos (not that I've ever asked but it's just a hunch). Like, he's given me SSRIs for my anxiety, but those don't do jackshit for me. Furthermore, this dude already gives me a prescription for dexedrine (schedule II substance) and from what I heard, psychs who prescribe stims are hesitant to prescribe benzos at the same time (something about the DEA being anal and giving them shit for doing so).I know this thread looks like I'm just some degenerate bar tard, but I genuinely could use benzos. Like, this shit is therapeutic for me . I am genuinely mentally anguished, I need shit for my severe anxiety. My anxiety is ruining my fucking life. I miss classes because of this mental disorder.PS: are there other "less potent" benzos that can be used to treat anxiety that aren't as potent as xans? Furthermore, with benzos I'm planning on taking them on a "as needed" basis (as opposed to a daily basis) to avoid physical dependency, is this advisable?
>>144694The difficulty of getting a script depends on how your doctor views benzos. You would be surprised how fast "as needed" becomes daily. You really shouldn't take benzos for longer than 3 weeks or you will be creating another problem for yourself. If you are mentally anguished now, wait until you feel benzo WD on top of it. As far as less potent benzos goes, it all depends on dose. They all do basically the same thing, some are more hypnotic, some relax muscles more than others, and their half lives are different but at equivalent doses it's pretty much subjective as to what works best. Personally diazepam and lorazepam are the weakest benzos to me because an equivalent dose of clonazepam or alprazolam works much better. Good luck OP.
>>144694Xanax (alprazolam) is the most commonly prescribed benzo in the U.S., but many docs are actually prescribing lorazepam (Ativan) instead. Alprazolam as a particularly nasty reputation, but benzos in general have a bad rep currently. You could easily make the argument that SSRIs are not helping with your anxiety. If you have panic attacks then you have a greater likelihood of getting a benzo script in conjunction with another med, but this is not 100% as public opinion is ever increasingly more negative regarding benzos. >Less potentLorazepam is less potent and the second most prescribed benzo in the U.S.Diazepam is 1/10 of the potency of alprazolam and is the 4th most prescribed benzo in the U.S. There are what's known as the "big four" benzos, which are alprazolam, lorazepam, clonazepam, and diazepam for the U.S. The "big four" are what you will be prescribed 99% of the time. >As neededMany people can actually maintain a PRN benzo for years at a time without any dependence. However, it is too easy to justify using a benzo when needed in situations that previously would not have warranted its usage. In other words, as needed can become multiple times per day depending on your needs and the development of addiction. >My anxiety is ruining my life.I feel that! My anxiety was so bad back in the Summer of 2012 between the end of high school and start of undergrad studies that I sought out a psychiatrist for medication on top of the psychologist that I was seeing for therapy. Benzos can do a lot of good for a person, but there are inherent dangers and addiction that must be acknowledged. These drugs are serious fucking business.
>My anxiety is ruining my life.
Im gonna take Xanax soon, and I almost know nothing about it.
>>144706Brilliant advice, why I've always kept dosage low and mainly stay away from it only having once in a while
>>144698Only take 0.5mg if it's your first time with a benzo. Most bars are FAKE and made on the street. If it's a street bar, take half of a 0.5mg chunk first. Street bars are usually 2-3x the strength of real ones.
OP - a solid starter dosage would be around 0.5mg, 0.75mg, 1mg, 1.25mg, and 1.5mg. I wouldn't really advise lower than 0.5mg or higher than 1.5mg as a starter dosage. Staying in that range can certainly increase your safety. The concept of just popping a 2mg "bar" is fucked. Unless someone has a tolerance they will more than likely blackout from a 2mg alprazolam dosage.Avoid drinking alcohol your first time taking alprazolam. Weed is okay. DON'T mix with other drugs that you have around. I don't care how strong you think you are. Benzos can fuck your life up regardless of who you are and what you do in this world.>I almost know nothing about itXanax (alprazolam) is an intermediate, but more so on the faster acting, benzodiazepine that is typically prescribed for panic disorder. Alprazolam is the most commonly prescribed benzo in the United States. Effects from the drug can come on in under 30 minutes and last for 4-6 hours. Because this is your first time I would advise to take a single dosage, put your stash away, and then see how you feel. Wait at least 4-6+ hours before taking another dosage unless you want to be in a benzo blackout. If you don't just fall asleep there is a good chance that you could get into a whole bunch of bullshit because of being blacked out and benz'd the fuck out. There are plenty of horror stories, so always do your research and exercise caution when using a new drug. I would also advise you to buy a test kit for fentanyl if you're buying your alprazolam from someone who does not actually have a prescription. It is easier than you may think to forge a prescription label or just toss some bars in a random orange bottle and call it good. >>144716Well said. Fake bars should be expected on the streets. Unless someone pops out a legitimate prescription bottle with their credentials on it, well, then the bars should be assumed to be pressed. More people would benefit from buying test kits to see if their bars are adulterated with fentanyl. I'm not as worried about someone buying bars pressed with most RC benzos (outside of hyper-potent ones) such as etizolam, but fent and its analogues should be tested for. No questio… Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>I almost know nothing about it
Flunitrazepam, midazolam, triazolam, nimetazepam ....And yet alprazolam is by far the most popular despite not being near as good as the previous ones...pic random
>>144658Do they even prescribe Flunitrazepam in the US anymore?I might be thinking of something else but I’m pretty sure nimetazepam was discontinued.Never came across midazolam, but back in the day I had a friend that would steal traizolam from his dad and would usually toss me a couple, haven’t had it in years but I remember .5mg(usually mixed with opiates) would cause me to black out.
>>144684No, but flunitrazepam is prescribed in many European countries.You're right about nimetazepam. It was so wildly abused in Asia that the manufacturer stopped making them, Not sure if others continued or not.We have midazolam here, both as pills to take home (dormicum 7.5mg and 15mg) and injectible form for hospitals. I once saw a 1l bottle just sitting there witho nobody around it, Should have grabbed it.Afaik we don't have triazolam, but many other European countries do.Also for some reason bromazepam is very popular in Europe,
>>1446921 liter of midazolam? Holy fuck!!!
How easy/safe is it to forge a prescription in the US? Is it less suspicious with certain benzos? Are different pharmacies easier to get away with doing this?
>>144678Easy way to catch s felony, its a combination of luck and skill, sometimes just luck, not worth it to do time over benzos in my opinion, i mean it would be more worthwhile to do it with something extremely profitable and sought after like opana or oxycodone,
>>144678In the usa it's doable, and by that i mean you can walk out with pills, but it will pretty much always end up coming back to you in the course of a couple weeks to maybe 1 month. And then you'll end up spending a couple months in jail and getting a felony. Not the harshest punishment but imo it's not really worth it unless you were getting a shitton of like opana stopsigns in another state and put a lot of planning into how you weren't going to get caught.
>>144678A friend of mine caught a felony for a 4oz bottle of codeine, not worth it. Just order some benzos online or something.
Hello there /benz/I had the audacity to take 4 MG of Clonazepam last night, I suspeceted a night of heavy sleeping followed by a bizarre waking up 13 hours later,. But ready to hit the new day.I had a surprise, though, I still feel the Clonzapem through me. Feel like Im "drunk" but my words dont slur. Came to the office, had a pretty interesting chat with my boss about a Monday meeting, I was calm and collected and said just the right words.When can I expect the drug to wear off?Can I keep the efect of remaining calm and collected during the Monday meeting without feeling the drunk like effects with a smaller dosage?I had to take a bowl of some pretty nice herb to mild the effects of the Clonazepam, but this is... interesting. I can see some use to this drug, but Im still not convinced its my thing.Any thoughts /benz/?Much love and happy holidays.
yeah that's your version of the story, chances are you been looking like a zombie and mumbling random shit, that's called delusions of sobriety and with 4 fucking mg of clonazepam for your (probably) first ever benzo experience it's very likely to happenno idea what the hell were you thinking to start with that dose, I mean to each their own but half of that would be enough even for people who have some natural benz tolerance or whatever that makes them feel weaker it should wear off soon, take half of your dose on that meeting and you should be ok, don't mix it with alcohol cause bad things will happen
>>144666I took it the night before. At around 11 PM. I woke up at around 01 PM still feeling drunky. I guess the dosage is way to high. I think Ill better avoid taking anything before the meeting.Thank you though.
The first time i started messing with clonazepam i was 16 or so and had just got a script from the doctor for "panic attacks" and after a couple days of taking 2mg a day and not being and to feel any discernible effects i took 4mg one morning and still couldn't really tell i was getting effected by anything, so i regularly took 4mg in the mornings for weeks not realizing they were probably fucking me up good and proper while i was at school and driving and shit lol. Over the years of having that script and having kpins so readily accessible i started to be able to discern the effects better and developed more of a taste for them and started to realize the more subtle ways the effected me, and once that happened it just embarrassed me more and more the way i probably acted when i first got them
wtf, i mix it with methadone with xanax/ tafil (mexican/Pfizer version i can get without prescription over the border)and gives me a nice buzz. but for some reason klonazepam kicks my ass till the point i suffer dissociate episode and dont remember shit of what happened the last day. xanax just brings my mean junkie mood if im not feeling good.
>>144569This might be totally obvious and unhelpful, but have you ruled out delusions of sobriety? Large doses of alprazolam have similar effects on me(insist I’m sober but will Fucking fight you broad daylight, in front of like 50 people and not remember why)
>>144585well today i took 7 mg and shot 40 mg of xanax with filter. it fuck me good and proper. i just hate that i barely remember anything in the last 24 hours or so.
>>144653Benzos have quite a bit of synergy as it is with a lot of drugs. Do you have a high alcohol tolerance or history of using GABA-A or GABA-B drugs?
To most of you, when you take benzos do you get a substantial relief from daily anxiety? Or is it just more of a fun way to numb yourself and if you weren't on benzos you would enjoy life just fine and have no problem chilling out?
>>144612Yeah man, that's why you gotta brew a nice pot of coffee, and sip on that. The benzos take away any jitters or anxiety from the caffien, and the coffee keeps you nice and awake so you can get things done while still enoying your benz high.
>>144602Yup, that's precisely what I was referring to with combining benzos with other classes of drugs. >>144623Or, a nice strong pot of tea will do the trick. Also, having a monster tolerance helps!
>>144624Nice 4u bro, I think ill just use them occasionally, for sleeping or anxiety, I'm not bothered about the whole getting high on benz thing tbh
Would it be painful or scary to kill oneself with xanax and alcohol?
>>144408Enjoy choking on your own vomit. Apart from a fat shot of high dose fentanyl analogue and a potent hypnotic RC benzo both in the same syringe (think carfentanyl and say flubromazolam), there's no guarantee at all. Even then, you need to have basically zero tolerance to both.Get help and stop ruining xanax's image.
>>144408Go back to the future with this suicide bs, I'd prefer real discussions on here
I'm curious as to what most pressed bars have in them. Is it alprazolam, another benzo, fentanyl? These ones are from a large city on the gulf coast. I took one about 25 minutes ago and already feel very good, warm, but not opiate warm, just nice and relaxed as hell... cheers.
>>144631Alprazolam-only bars do exist, but there are also bars pressed with a combo of fent/benz/thieno that are common.Without finding the source and/or having your bars tested in a lab then there isn’t much more that you can do. But, you could test at home for fent. I do suggest engaging in at home test kits without a question.
>>144631They mostly contain a sleu of real xanax, Flualprazolam (tastes the same as real xanax), clonazepam (increased euphoria), etizolam (similar to xanax), and all other common RC benzos.Fentanyl is rarely ever put in a xanax press on purpose. 99% of the time its caused by cross contamination of equipment.
>>144644Sorry, I meant to say they contain clonazolam, NOT clonazepam. Damn autocorrect.
I hear so many different opinions on snorting benzos, is it actually entirely useless? Would love to hear from anyone with experience. Primarily interested in ativan/valium. Thanks.
>>144381This. Just because lorazepam's solubility in water is RELATIVELY higher than that of other benzos doesn't mean it makes snorting them worth it.The reality is that snorting benzodiazepines in general does not offer very much RELATIVE gain compared to other RoA's. When you snort speed, you get a rush when it all hits you at once. There is not really an analogous feeling for benzodiazepines unless you are having a panic attack in a hospital and they give you an injection of IV midazolam. There's not much of a rush... more of just a very quick mindstate change.....Snorting benzos is not going to increase your fun. Plus, you know pills have tons of shit in them that you'd rather not have in your nose if you don't have to, right? The amount of active chemical in a pill compared to the amount of binder and other filler bullshit is extremely low...Save your nose, bro... it just isn't worth it.
For most benzos the best roa is sublingual with oral a close second.Unless you have one of the rare water soluble ones there isn't a point in snorting them.Don't see why you wouldn't use sublingual. It is slightly faster and the taste isn't bad at all.
>>144620If they're not water soluble why would they be absorbed through the oral mucosa but not the nasal? Perhaps the faster onset of sublingual dosing is due to the pill being dispersed so it has greater surface area when it reaches the stomach?
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