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Klon withdrawal

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- Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:38:35 EST I+2qxZMa No.146622
File: 1563889115160.gif -(613938B / 599.55KB, 500x708) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Klon withdrawal
I've been taking CLONAZEPAM (Klonopin) for a month. Dosage varied and sometimes i drank. Here is the complete report:
(beer = 6% 500ml beer, strong beer = 9% 500ml beer) I ALWAYS took pills in the morning/noon and drank in the evening/night.

  1. 1.25mg, no alcohol
  2. 1.75mg, two beers
  3. 2mg, one beer
  4. 2mg, two beers
  5. 3mg no alcohol
  6. 4mg, two beers
  7. 2mg one beer
  8. 1mg no alcohol
  9. 2.5mg, one beer
  10. nothing
  11. nothing, 2 beers
  12. 1.5mg, no alcohol
  13. 2.5mg, 2.5 beers
  14. 2mg, no alcohol
  15. nothing, 3 strong beers
  16. nothing
  17. 1.5mg, 1 beer
  18. nothing, 2 strong beers
  19. 2mg, 1 beer
  20. nothing
  21. 1mg, 2 strong beers
  22. 2.5mg, 2 strong beers
  23. nothing, 3 beers
  24. 2.5mg, 3 beers
  25. 3.5mg
  26. 1mg
  27. 2mg, 2 beers
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Sidney Fanman - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 15:12:56 EST pfmpYKyl No.146705 Reply

i disagree with this. some RC's are way more dangerous than others. people used clonazolam when they wanted to use xanax, or a-pvp instead of amphetamine, or AB-CHMINACA instead of weed. there's a way to used most RCs safely, but some of them require way more caution, carry way more risk and phisically and/or mentally more damaging. you can use RCs safely, and you can fuck up your life on classic drugs, but i've heard about way too much people who got their shit together on classic drugs, but fucked up everything beyond hope when got on RCs. and how would you get that 'basic knowledge' about a drug that never has been tested, neither in vitro, neither on rats, not to mention controlled human clinical tests?
Archie Denkinmine - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:32:36 EST 9n8/Dn8h No.146706 Reply
But you blame drug for mistakes made by people using said drug. It's the same thing with people who can't even wrap their heads around volumetric dosing, yet they keep saying how fentalogs are devil's work. This is basic knowledge - knowing how to dose, knowing that doing apvp or clam everyday will fuck you up, knowing what you shouldn't mix. It ain't hard to figure out. You should also keep in mind that many RC users are teenagers who can't or don't want to use illegal stuff. These kids are more likely to do stupid shit and harm or kill themselves because that's part of being a teenager - being reckless and stupid. This along with media spamming news about new drugs really changes your perception of these drugs.
Sidney Fanman - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:52:18 EST pfmpYKyl No.146707 Reply

This post is true, but in the other post you say you won't fuck yourself up more than with "normal stuff". For some stuff, the "basic knowledge" equals "use this substance 20 times less frequently than the classic drug that you want to substitute and in underwhelming doses"

I don't say some drugs are evil, a non-living substance can't be evil. I say some drugs are shitty. Of course nobody ever come here to say omg i was a pcp junkie and mxe fucked up my life, so there's always exceptions. But illegal synthetic manufacturing isn't a 21st century thing, back then when each classic drug became popular, another close analogue could have become popular instead, and the reason for the existence of 99% of RCs is to avoid illegality.

So i disagree because i think your argument is something like: "doing 2X is like doing X, if you don't do one of the X-s. People are imperfect animals, most people make illogical choices, like climbing into a cage at the zoo, despite it's highly forbidden and dangerous. But climbing into the cage of a Koala is not the same as the cage of the Grizly Bear.

How much xanax should i take

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- Fri, 12 Jul 2019 19:02:09 EST tSwiQUHo No.146478
File: 1562972529434.jpg -(162297B / 158.49KB, 1400x918) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. How much xanax should i take
I'm going to be taking bars for the first time, how much do you recommend because I don't want to black out.
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Beatrice Fuckingfoot - Wed, 17 Jul 2019 00:28:45 EST evyciLcc No.146561 Reply
are there a lot of fakes going around recently or something? Becuase I bought some bars a few weeks ago, and blacked out and kind of went crazy.

Although I did take like all 3 at once more or less (smoked some meth and got anxious and took them piece by piece every 5 minutes or so because I was freaking out from anxiety.)
dr. m - Thu, 18 Jul 2019 02:41:52 EST ehbFaOGo No.146577 Reply

At least 75% of actual 2mg bars consumed by customers of drug dealers are fake, and it's probably closer to 90%. There's a lot of real Xanax out there, but it's mostly in 0.5mg tablets and somewhat the 1mg tablets. Personally if I was buying out a persons Xanax script every month, I'd pay a bit extra to get them to get their script changed to double the quantity but in 1mg or 0.5mg tablets. I know 1mg Xanax footballs have been faked on occasion, but it's not common whatsoever. I'm sure even 0.5mg tablets have been fake pressed at least once, but it's likely even rarer than 1mg tablets.

99% of the fake Xanax are the 2mg tablets. If you pick up more than 30 2mg bars at a time or your supplier has more than 30-60 at a time, there's arguably more than a 95% chance they're pressed. Most of the pseudo international clear net Indian/SE Asian Xanax comes in the form of 0.5mg tablets, or rarely 1mg tablets.

When to stop a taper

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- Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:11:31 EST RJo3GleG No.146645
File: 1564071091626.jpg -(416216B / 406.46KB, 1173x1500) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. When to stop a taper
So I'm finally down to 1mg/day of diclazepam after a very long taper which should be cut out in a few days to zero.

However I've had a long string of daily use pre and during the taper, obviously, and 1mg diclazepam is supposed to be equipotent with 10mg diazepam(I've never felt this was true but I've never found diazepam particularly effective)

I am also aware that if someone was to post and say they have been using benzos daily for a long time and were on 10mg diazepam/day they would be told to taper.

So, should I really be dropping from 1mg/day down to zero?

Should I do a 10% for 10 weeks taper or 1%/day for 100 days off 1mg?

Should I just start skipping days every so often then skip two, then three, etc?

Should I do some combination of both?

I'm ready for the taper to be over but I don't know if it really should be. Should I just jump off from 1mg diclazepam/day after my extended use/taper?
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Jarvis Winnerdutch - Sat, 27 Jul 2019 21:45:18 EST 1LOXYZsr No.146687 Reply
I think Katz meant to say that a medically safe taper is 10% per week and anything after that is just based on own preference if you want to jump off or keep tapering depends on how you feel but not necessary. Suggestions to do anything after that is really up to individual
Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Sun, 28 Jul 2019 20:53:14 EST 1AZVzgML No.146692 Reply
Massive apology, anon. I had a decent amount of /opi/ rage and ended up blacking out on a moderate amount of alcohol and 2mg alprazolam. My tolerance is much, much lower than I anticipated. There are many excuses I could make, but ultimately I was an asshole when it was entirely unwarranted. Again, my sincerest apologies.

Between being halfway complete with a self-imposed diazepam taper, being Rx’d an opioid that gives me major mood swings (my GP and pain management doc know, but are waiting two weeks to switch me), stress from recently moving, being benz’d out, /opi/ rage, and having booze in my system all culminated in my fucked up statements and general shit disposition.

In essence, yes. A 10% reduction per week until 20% of the initial dosage is reached is medically safe. Once at 20% of the original dosage then reductions can be either 5%-10% each week or every other week until the taper is complete. It is all personal preference and what is necessary for comfort.

Not typically, but there have been times, undeniably.
Ebenezer Cellyherk - Sun, 28 Jul 2019 21:35:04 EST RJo3GleG No.146694 Reply
No worries, man. We've been chatting on here for like a decade. Its all good.

Dalmane urine detection time

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- Fri, 26 Jul 2019 21:24:47 EST h8GObdkr No.146670
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Does anyone here know how long Dalmane can be detected in urine. I got a ton of these bastards but I'm currently in a methadone program and don't want to have the issue of failing a test. I googled it and they say the half life is 2.3 hours but then it says something about elimination half life of over 140 hours. Can someone explain how long this drug is on average detectable in urine.
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Shit Durringson - Sat, 27 Jul 2019 03:51:21 EST kni8PL6T No.146681 Reply
Here is what I see, the metabolite can last up to 100 hours.First pass through mainly the liver. Wondering about first pass metabolism. If that can be eliminated by sublingual dosing would the metabolite N1-des-alkyl- flurazepam not be produced, I think it would actually have to for the drug to work. Understanding? i think only like 1% of N1-des-alkyl- flurazepam is eliminated through urine.

I don't know much about metabolism. Via rout taken. I always kinda liked Dalmane. 15 mgs and kinda chill out. Thus was way back.
lol - Sat, 27 Jul 2019 10:35:08 EST xQEqVS9+ No.146682 Reply
Omg I miss flurazepam. Stuff is pretty decent strength and long lasting. Water soluble too. Got caught with it in a rig and in a powder form and cops tested it and nothing came up thankfully. It will absolutely show up and lasts insanely long... Remember friend had to use smelling salts on me THE NEXT DAY when I only took some the day prior. Shit really builds up fast. If it was a more common benzo i could see people overdosing on it tons. Be safe mixing long acting opi with long actin benzo. I used to think my methadone tolerance would make it so I'd be good to do decent doses of benzos but many overdoses later I realized that's not the case
Thomas Miggledot - Sat, 27 Jul 2019 17:23:30 EST H0irWR7x No.146684 Reply
>Got caught with it in a rig and in a powder form and cops tested it and
>nothing came up thankfully.

Instructions: Just add water and shake. One would assume,,

>I used to think my methadone tolerance would make it so I'd be good to
>do decent doses of benzos

I believe statistics of the so-called opiate-epidemic, 70% of ods/deaths are related to
combining benzos with opiates. Yea, tolerance to opiates or either/both, still can produce
unwanted unexpected results.

I always kinda liked Dalmane.


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- Mon, 15 Jul 2019 22:03:54 EST MIFT8sJJ No.146545
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So this new lude analog just hit the market. I can't find much info about it, but from what I've gathered the dose for a good high is around 200-300mg, it should only be taken orally, and doses of 400mg+ can cause seizures. Have any of you guys tried this shit? It's going for like 40 bucks a g from the one vendor I found that stocks it. Probably gonna pick some up for science. I've never done ludes, but I've done lots of Soma and apparently it feels pretty similar.
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lol - Tue, 16 Jul 2019 10:28:54 EST xQEqVS9+ No.146552 Reply

Have you only taken phenobarbital and butalbital? They're nothing compared to the stronger ones
Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Tue, 16 Jul 2019 13:22:32 EST qw8emaV1 No.146557 Reply
People definitely stockpile pills for usage and collection purposes. The Lemmon tablets have been heightened in status over the years compared to something like amobarbital, secobarbital, and pentobarbital. The amobarbital/secobarbital combination capsules would be wonderful to try.

Phenobarbital on three or four occasions, heptabarbital once, and butalbital via Rx around 20-30 times. Believe me, if I came across other barbs I would have taken them. One day, I would like to try more barbs but time is against and other things in life take precedent. Eventually, I would like to take more of the revered (or infamous) barbiturates.
Phyllis Honeylock - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 07:46:15 EST Z5Gz7Z9h No.146605 Reply
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Yea the lemmons were the trademark of all. Back when, any stoner high scholler knew
these classic drugs. The slang (street names.) The tuinal you speak of is
etched in my brain as well the yellow dalmanes, a benzo.

Do if possible seek tuinal. Somehow the combination is reasonable.

There were, I believe they are still made, amphetamine/barbiturate combinations.
Would know it if I saw them. I have at least one dea handout booklet identifying drugs.
That somehow made identifying drugs pretty easy.


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- Wed, 17 Jul 2019 01:06:20 EST 86bjiiz4 No.146562
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To keep it short, I have some left over Acepromazine and wondering what effects could be achieved from it. I've read reports from it could knock you on your ass tranquilize you to it's basically worthless old antipsychotic. Which is it? Thanks /benz/
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Fucking Clennerhood - Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:09:54 EST evyciLcc No.146573 Reply
I took thorazine once and serequel like once as well. The literal worst feeling after I woke up...like I was in the middle of a massive come down. Shit was HORRIBLE. And I slept fucking forever (like 2-3 days or some retarded shit. God I was so thirsty when I woke up)
Charles Winningchid - Thu, 18 Jul 2019 11:08:26 EST 86bjiiz4 No.146582 Reply

I just took one acepromazine and had your experience almost to a T. Absolute shit tier drug.
Phyllis Honeylock - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 06:24:38 EST Z5Gz7Z9h No.146604 Reply
It was first used as anti-psychotic. It is mainly used as an animal tranquilizer, get your chew bone ready. Really, if it is not prescribed, don't take anti-psychotic drugs.

There are anti-depressants that will make you sleep well and may have very vivid intense realistic, even fantastic dreams that I would say could be used for recreational use. And sleep. I know one antidepressant that was prescribed
for sleep. Can sleep for 8 hours like clockwork and wake up feeling good.. The effects of the dreams is long over, which had took over nightmares. Still take
Yea, anti-psychotics are bad news unless you need them. They will have zero rec value and quite the opposite.


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- Thu, 11 Jul 2019 18:53:50 EST qmKSSjPj No.146465
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>be me
>be physically addicted to benzos for a few months
>have a couple seizures while tapering
>think seizures were from withdrawals
>be over a year later
>haven't done any benzos and don't drink
>have another seizure
>I wasn't having withdrawal induced seizures, I have just have epilepsy
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Jack Drunnerstock - Sun, 14 Jul 2019 20:44:56 EST CQ8cFDHL No.146529 Reply
they might try and give you some bullshit like kepra but try and get klonopin for your epilepsy
Dundun - Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:10:24 EST kq0WDdvT No.146597 Reply
Your first seizure could have caused epilepsy or so I've read. I've also had one.

Benzo Design

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- Tue, 23 Apr 2019 17:52:04 EST FBN91bNM No.145494
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I cant find the thread and i dont know how factual it was, but it was some guy listing the functional groups that could be attached the various positions on the benzodiazepine ring/structure and their general effects

Obviously the triazolo substitution increases potency and recreation effects in most scenarios and with most users

This guy also said that flourine, chlorine, and bromine (from greatest to least) in the R2 and R7 positions increased the potency by weight of the benzo, which makes sense (flunitrazolam, clonazolam, flubromazolam)

He also said that the nitrogen with oxygen group generally increased the recreational value, not sure how that holds up but it makes sense to me (clonazolam, clonazepam, and flunitrazolam all widely considered to be pretty euphoric)

My questions are how does the replacing one of the benzene ring with a thieno ring effect a benzo (like etizolam)? and how does replacing the other (bottom? im not a chemist) benzene ring with a 2-pyridine ring (like pyrazolam) effect the the experience?

>what do you think (if this is even possible) a thienodiazepine like the pic i created would be like? completely shit? or maybe worth it?
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Designer - Mon, 15 Jul 2019 16:37:02 EST lleeM5m9 No.146537 Reply
>>146213 BTW EP Patent application Journal 6751 GB1813962.6 covers pyrazolam, pynazolam & pyeyzolam. Since I'm not David Nutt, it's pretty clear who I am.
dr. m - Mon, 15 Jul 2019 20:47:00 EST ehbFaOGo No.146543 Reply
Can you please make a thread explaining to noobs exactly what each a1, a2, etc. activity does in terms of predicting the different effects from a benzo? Also teach some basic chemistry for people who may have only taken high school chem like 20 years ago. Thanks.


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- Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:59:28 EST VPU/mRFL No.142699
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I just realized the current one isn't bumping anymore


2mg Clonazepam and 2 jays of Sour Diesel right now. Just got my old security deposit from my old place in ATL so I can pay rent early AND buy some extra weed. Lovin' life right now.
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dr. m - Mon, 15 Jul 2019 20:41:10 EST ehbFaOGo No.146542 Reply

For some of us, the majority of that post wasn't an unknown foreign language, so frankly you can fuck off yourself.
Caroline Bardwater - Mon, 15 Jul 2019 21:23:48 EST 86bjiiz4 No.146544 Reply

For all of us, he bumped a dead thread because he's a fucking retard and apparently you were too stupid to notice.
dr. m - Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:10:01 EST ehbFaOGo No.146554 Reply
I wasn't stupid, just didnt realize it was an old BWB. I reported the thread and suggested it be locked. Bear in mind your responded with a grand total of two words, so I didn't have much to go off of.



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- Sun, 07 Jul 2019 17:42:55 EST 8IzA/ch7 No.146437
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What efect does zopiclone? I am about to buy ten 7.5 pills of that by a very reliable seller but i don't know if the efects wroth it, the only i know is what are for sleeping and are z-drugs
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Edwin Gissleridge - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 00:44:51 EST fhFKk0Cb No.146442 Reply
ohh thanks anon, so you think is worthless buy 10 pills if i am new in benzodiazepines
and z-drugs?
Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Tue, 09 Jul 2019 04:02:14 EST I6YS7H0F No.146451 Reply
I wouldn’t say buying the pills would be worthless, but zopiclone is not usually a go-to benzo for someone without much experience. Again, just because the drug is not very popular is not a bad thing.
Nell Caddlebury - Mon, 15 Jul 2019 14:52:30 EST qO5gpdBZ No.146534 Reply
Zopiclone sucks, enjoy mediocre effects and a nasty metallic taste in your mouth like robot ejacked some hate-paste onto your tongue.


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- Mon, 08 Jul 2019 08:38:26 EST jKMricRG No.146445
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Hey /benz/, question of curiosity and moreso, differing opinions and input besides the doc.
I've been on a rather small amount of Klonopin for 2 years almost , Only 0.5mg.
I used to abuse them, went down to the actual script, 1 as needed, and now I've began cutting them up into quarters.
If I were to stop taking them suddenly after about 3 months of doing this, would I be okay? What symptoms should I expect? Is it more mental than it is physical at this amount?
>0.5mg Klonopin, cut into 1/4's
>3 months of this
>What should I expect once I stop taking them

I haven't taken one in about 3 days and I've only noticed cold hands/feet along with a very persistent runny nose.
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George Chiffingdock - Sun, 14 Jul 2019 02:51:32 EST gfeF25A/ No.146521 Reply
Yeah taking 0.25mg a day for 3 months as you have and now completely taking nothing is not what's making you get a runny nose. Its psychological if anything, your mind fucking with you.

Good job OP! Benzos are a bitch to get clean from. Luckily for me I went complete cold Turkey and got clean. Only symptom i had was heightened sense of smell which sucked. I was taking 3-4mg a day for a long time. I was really fortunate for not having ended up in the hospital from seizures due to cold turkeying.
Phyllis Dabblespear - Sun, 14 Jul 2019 08:58:52 EST Ms//cbGk No.146523 Reply
OP Here, I've definitely noticed the increase in heightened-sensory shit,
I smell the dust even it seems, blowing through where I live.
Food tastes either extremely "punchy", like chocolate tasting very VERY cocoa-y. Or it tastes like next to nothing.
Phyllis Dabblespear - Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:02:45 EST Ms//cbGk No.146524 Reply

I just realized I should probably post this aspect as well for further inquiry,
I've had HPPD since I was about 18, it's still there apparently.
IIRC, doesn't Klonopin/Benz suppress HPPD?
I mainly have visual effects, sometimes the walls will breathe if I stare at em long enough, or if I'm tired enough.

Do I just deal with the HPPD again? It wasn't an issue prior or now, it's just moreso overwhelming almost with all the other stimuli

benzo brain damage?

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- Mon, 01 Jul 2019 15:51:52 EST S0SI5Tf1 No.146326
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So I know next to nothing about pharmacology, which is why I'm asking the following: are benzos neurotoxic like amphetamines and alcohol are?
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Graham Fozzlestedge - Sat, 13 Jul 2019 02:54:03 EST 8wRyP6Vh No.146502 Reply
Imagine being this enthusiastic you think you know better than this dude and/or his doctor from one post. LOL
Graham Fozzlestedge - Sat, 13 Jul 2019 02:55:58 EST 8wRyP6Vh No.146503 Reply
I take them as needed for panic attacks. Dude is a completely shit head.

.5mg klonopin.
Simon Sengerdale - Sat, 13 Jul 2019 04:30:45 EST DqJY92Jw No.146504 Reply
Not much to say. At times you can get into the groove of what you are trying to accomplish. Not by taking 4 at once. Ones personality may change enough to maybe be noticeable enough. But Just because a scrips says to take 3 4 times a day, doesn't mean you have to take 3 4 times a day. Can even skip a few days, with taking very minimal amounts and still get things done very well. One should be able to tell when it is getting likely kinda getting on negative side as opposed to being maybe more beneficial. Like, no need to wake right up and take 2 mgs
of clonazepam. For me, xanax is like, let's screw stuff up, or get nothing done that requires thinking and work or coordination. I never asked for it, after being prescribed it as a temporary fill. Even when I could have gotten it easily enough.

List your daily usage or cocktail.

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- Fri, 12 Jul 2019 02:32:54 EST wcGkxiic No.146472
File: 1562913174526.jpg -(1773728B / 1.69MB, 1960x4032) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. List your daily usage or cocktail.
For me 400mg pregabalin, 2mg flualprazolam 2mg etizolam.
Doris Debberstit - Sat, 13 Jul 2019 02:45:03 EST evyciLcc No.146501 Reply
Seeing that bag reminds me of the glory RC days. Thank OP.
Hannah Nicklehood - Sat, 13 Jul 2019 11:48:55 EST jEIIeeuq No.146513 Reply
About 1mg of Clonazolam and up to 3g Phenibut. Sometimes 1-4 Beers and lots of coffee. But don't we have the bwb for this? Nb.

Estazolam(ProSom) the rarest benzo that is presribed.

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- Sat, 13 Jul 2019 01:01:15 EST O6ePcd2d No.146492
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Estasolam also know as Desmethylalprazolam
And look what i got.
I know it's the unicorn of RX benzos (twas the last benzo approved by the FDA in 96 or 97 before z drugs took over) and I got #60 2mg ones for some time,
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Hedda Surrysig - Sat, 13 Jul 2019 06:26:30 EST 86bjiiz4 No.146506 Reply
Christ stop bumping your thread every 5 fucking minutes

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