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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

Snorting Benzos

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- Wed, 15 May 2019 07:19:42 EST uwCIaKNT No.145771
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Hi /Benz/ folks.

So, I've started to take benzos (mainly xanax and valium) from time to time for about two months.

A friend of mine who has more experience on drug use told me that it kicks you quicker snorting it, but I'm not sure if this (appart from damaging my nose) could make it lose part of it's bioavailability.

So my question is if it's really worth it snorting them.

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uicgiufy - Fri, 17 May 2019 11:16:53 EST SGq/UXT1 No.145821 Reply
i once used to crush benzos in water and drink it quickly

it gave a huge rush
William Clorringway - Sat, 18 May 2019 20:49:46 EST PilUNTIt No.145839 Reply
So many retards think snorting anything (or even shooting it) gives a better rush.

Saw a bunch of retards in prison shoot up phendimetrazine that was smuggled in (amp. based diet pills) and then proceed to complain about the worst headache on the planet and chest pains for hours. lol
High Strung - Sun, 19 May 2019 19:45:23 EST VPU/mRFL No.145842 Reply
OP is probably b8-ing but for anyone lurking who's curious in good faith, I snorted my alprazolam once when I was first prescribed benzos. Didn't do a damn thing. Best to do what >>145821 did and drink it crushed up in a drink (if you must... bleh!)

NB though cuz probably troll

1,4 butanediol

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- Mon, 29 Apr 2019 00:49:53 EST JtaTLcg6 No.145570
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Just ordered my first batch today.. Over the past decade I've dabbed with a lot of alprazolam, clonazepam, etizolam, clonazolam and some others, but never GHB. Planning to use a 1 mL pipette to dose. What should I expect, realistically? Hoping for a nice lift from my anxiety, but am concerned about compulsive redosing, not to mention my liver.

tl;dr thoughts/advice on 1,4 butanediol?
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Hugh Blankinfuck - Wed, 15 May 2019 08:29:03 EST qAPo6Hr7 No.145772 Reply
IIRC, went through 250ml of it in about a week or so earlier this year. Was taking it around the clock with no 'real' sleep, just 1-2 hour naps separating the doses. Had a seizure whilst trying to get to sleep one night. Felt horrible pain (I think mostly due to a skin condition) whenever there wasn't enough in my system. So throughout the day 30ml+ of the stuff. I felt brain dead.

Real shitty week and don't plan on using it again due to lack of self control. Still prefer it over GHB as GHB causes me to blackout or fall unconscious even if I'm 99% sure that I won't. Last time I used GHB I fell unconscious on the couch on my way to turn off the fire alarm. GHB also gives me sleep paralysis whereas 1,4 does not.
Molly Senderheck - Fri, 17 May 2019 07:15:42 EST 9uoHs3LF No.145820 Reply
That's crazy, I only get to the point of passing out when I'm at the end of the night and have been gradually dosing up to 2 or 3g GHB. Combining it with benzos is a big no-no, I've never done it myself but a friend of a friend went into hospital from a small amount of G (can't have been more than 1.5g) and taking his normal prescribed dose of diaz that morning. Did you take it alongside other GABAergics?

As for the sleep paralysis,

Taken from wikipedia:
"GHB's effect on dopamine release is biphasic. Low concentrations stimulate dopamine release via the GHB receptor. Higher concentrations inhibit dopamine release via GABA(B) receptors as do other GABA(B) agonists such as baclofen and phenibut."
"...This explains the paradoxical mix of sedative and stimulatory properties of GHB, as well as the so-called "rebound" effect, experienced by individuals using GHB as a sleeping agent, wherein they awake suddenly after several hours of GHB-induced deep sleep. That is to say that, over time, the concentration of GHB in the system decreases below the threshold for significant GABAB receptor activation and activates predominantly the GHB receptor, leading to wakefulness. "

Anyway, back on topic. I have not tried 1,4bd but would definitely like to one day. These non benzo sedatives are a little bit different so ime it's better to start small and adhere to different harm reduction practices than your usual benzo routine.
Dextrolord - Sat, 18 May 2019 12:50:34 EST mmnM7dPE No.145836 Reply
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I really loved my 1,4bee it was like being drunk and slightly barred out but with no hangover.

Stuff is super potent tho and can be dangerous so I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who won't do their research and use it responsibly cuz like u said, hospital for 4 days and even deatch is a real possibility with this one.

But I loved it, probly will buy it again, and the worst I ever had happen was I passed out from dosing like up to a ml too much and woke up feeling extremely well rested the next morning


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- Thu, 16 May 2019 14:25:27 EST 2Ljebzrq No.145791
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Hypothetically How much primidone and alcohol would it take to kill someone assuming 0 tolerance
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Eliza Billingwater - Fri, 17 May 2019 04:08:02 EST qU1akP2Z No.145813 Reply
Right, but my point is still valid. Also I've been around people who were close to dying due to mix of depressants and they were scared shitless. It's not like you just fall asleep peacefully and don't wake up. It will be a horrible experience and chances are, you will survive with trauma and some brain damage. Don't do.that to yourself man, please.
Wesley Dendlecocke - Fri, 17 May 2019 18:56:22 EST dQSms3tR No.145823 Reply
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I took a nap and feel better

Ex got in a relationship and found the strength to tell me she hated me right after I told her I wanted to go to rehab

Delusions of sobriety

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- Tue, 23 Apr 2019 10:52:55 EST F/3q7gjJ No.145489
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I took 1 mg of Clonazepam after waking up. I ate breakfast and went shopping with a friend of mine. While there I took another milligram of Clonazepam. We fucked around for a bit in town and then decided to go get some beers from a local liquor store.

I walked in there, grabbed a beer, and went to the counter. When I was pulling out bills from my wallet, the clerk told me I've already had too many and told me to buzz off. Where I live there are heavy penalties to stores if they sell booze to people who're already visibly inebriated. I couldn't understand the situation. I tried to explain that I had not drank anything yet and that I was completely sober (booze-wise, I didn't mention the clonazepam) but he just told me to get the fuck out of there.

So I left and my friend ended up buying the beers I wanted. Now, I know benzos cause delusions of sobriety, but is it really that bad? Like, I don't understand how the clerk saw through me and noticed I was under the influence of something. I didn't slurr my words, I didn't wobble or stumble around. I was walking, talking, and moving just fine. So A) the clerk was being a dick, or B) I was visibly fucked up. My friend was weeded out and didn't notice anything peculiar about my behavior, but he was not the best judge.

This makes me question my previous endeavors into the outside world while under the influence of benzos. If a store clerk can see that I'm inebriated on a 2 mg dose of Clonazepam, it must be obvious to other people too. Have I been walking around town making a fool of myself this whole time? This fucks with my brain heavily.

Any stories of dēlūsiōnis sobrietas you could share?
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Cedric Neshtig - Tue, 14 May 2019 03:56:07 EST Gp16F2fI No.145763 Reply
Yeah man. For stimulants, not benzos. I just lean into the relaxation and suggest that it's weed causing the side effects.

I once was on meth and would speed/power walk past all the slow pedestrians on the sidewalk with a funny, amp3d-up gait. Walked for a while around town like that one winter until one day a guy walked past me with an even more exaggerated walk and I vowed to myself never to appear like Mr. "Crank Knees," as I call him.

I wish I could describe his movement to you, his limbs looked like a swastika cutting through the air to drag him to the next spot to step from, but all in a fluid motion. Silliest walk I've ever seen.
Samuel Girryhall - Tue, 14 May 2019 22:40:30 EST OqVpg1c2 No.145767 Reply
An associate of mine, kevin, Called him tweaky Kevin. He wanted my number and was kinda tweaky at the time. He ran up to these guys about a half block up. (we were waiting for the same bus.) and asked if they had a pen. They I swear were detectives, summer hot day wearing not necessarily business suits but looked like they had just got out of an air conditioned car. That area was just
poor people waiting for the bus at that time of day. He came back to the bus shelter-stop and when they caught back up to us he said thanks.
Guy says kinda wired aren't we. Looked at me, I kinda shrugged
and kinda did a yea, kinda said I guess. The key to speed use is
to not act like you are tweaking, out. Sometimes difficult to hide
I guess. Etiquette is not flailing around. Nor looking too tweaked
and anxious, nervous.
Hugh Mandermidge - Fri, 17 May 2019 05:36:41 EST +Ol6k3bv No.145817 Reply
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>I wish I could describe his movement to you, his limbs looked like a swastika cutting through the air to drag him to the next spot to step from, but all in a fluid motion. Silliest walk I've ever seen.


benz and opiates withdrawals

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- Sat, 04 May 2019 12:06:21 EST vOsfieF9 No.145643
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hey /benz/
/opi/ user here with a few questions for y'all. I don't really have a history of benz abuse, never really felt that pull, the extent of my experience with benz has been using it here and there to knock myself the fuck out and go to bed on nights when I had something important to do the next day and couldn't fall asleep. The time has come for me to kick a cold turkey opiate habit after multiple years of daily use and I've been thinking of using some kind of benz to make it easier on myself.
Here's the question- how long can I take benzos before the physical addiction steps in? Really have no idea how this shit works.
Will using it every night for 7-10 days to put myself to sleep get me physically addicted? If not, what about twice or thrice a day (morning / night, or morning / lunch / night) for 7-10 days? I'm not worried about mental addiction, never really liked the way benzos made me feel, but I don't need to become physically addicted to yet another drug. Help me out guys, will I be safe using this shit for a few days in a row? Planning on either scoring some xanax or just buying some etz.
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Ian Cremblelod - Wed, 08 May 2019 07:47:17 EST q2qSLk2C No.145689 Reply
If you don't manage to sleep right away eating like 2 days of regular meals is pretty easy to do. It would even out eventually. I have woken up multiple times in the night and just like a eating zombie just eat. Intersting thing about mirtazapine, It can make you sleep really heavy, but waking up after like 4 5 hours of sleep is like wakeful refreshed energy.

So i made my wake up at 6 and sleep by 10:30 pm. Oh well, better than awake till 6 am then sleep to near evening. I do or did like the eating part, kinda slim as it is. And being able to love food again.
Betsy Mobbersit - Mon, 13 May 2019 17:06:21 EST 6BwBby0d No.145748 Reply
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Yeh I always need a sandwich or 2 after taking mitazpine
Cedric Neshtig - Tue, 14 May 2019 03:38:17 EST Gp16F2fI No.145759 Reply
With benzodiazepines you generally have two weeks of use before you start to develop a nasty dependency IIRC


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- Sun, 12 May 2019 14:58:41 EST YOe68m2X No.145732
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First time trying benzos, got some kpins and have taken them 3 days in a row now. I have pretty servere anxiety but this isn't from a prescription. I've heard the withdrawals are hellish and full of anxiety, which I'm really afraid of. How much should I limit myself so I don't get addicted or experience anything negative when I run out?
lol - Sun, 12 May 2019 16:08:48 EST xQEqVS9+ No.145733 Reply

Unless you bought hundreds whatever small amount you have won't lead to the kind of WD you hear people talking about. Worst I've had from a week or two of daily benz use is rebound anxiety. You should be fine. Just try not to take them unless you feel you really need to
Hannah Snodbanks - Sun, 12 May 2019 16:38:16 EST 86LjTa31 No.145734 Reply

With the extremely limited information you gave us it's hard to say, really. But yes, real benzo withdrawal is one of the the worst you can go through. Went through it myself about a month ago and still recovering from it. Don't get to that point.

See a doctor if you legitmately have anxiety, don't rely on the street to treat your ailments.
Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Sun, 12 May 2019 22:16:59 EST I6YS7H0F No.145737 Reply
Anything over 2-4 weeks of daily usage is considered long-term. The Ashton Manual indicates physical addiction, which will lead to significant withdrawal upon abrupt discontinuation, occurs after 6-26 weeks of daily usage.


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- Fri, 14 Dec 2018 01:52:12 EST JuZ7s587 No.144727
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So quick post. Is this shit addictive? Because I post here from finding it works on the gaba.
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Ernest Fucklelock - Sun, 28 Apr 2019 05:58:24 EST 4KRku3x0 No.145560 Reply
yeah, but the intensity of the wds is very variable between people depending on genetics dose and how long they took it for

lyrica is the same, I have a script for 250 mg per day and can stop taking it anytime without any wds.... i dropped down to 75 mg per day because the therapeutic effect is the same an I trade the rest for gbl and nitrazepam
Ian Brullerbury - Sun, 05 May 2019 02:54:06 EST /I1Ld4ID No.145657 Reply
Pregabalin tolerance seems to last a long time, definitely not 1 week to return to zero, at least 2 weeks it seems, but probably even 3 or 4. This is from using 150mg-300mg once a week.

Quitting, may have had a seizure?

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- Thu, 07 Mar 2019 13:02:26 EST fejdxkTc No.144932
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>be me
>tryna quit xans (been on them for 2yrs)
>last bag I cop the bars arent great
>reduce dose and feel the withdraw worse than I ever had
>go to bed
>wake up with puke on my floor and my monitors knocked over/empty baggie on the floor
>can only remember puking
>tongue is numb because I bit the end while asleep
>tell friends and they think I may have had seizure
>this was yesterday, today I am still going but my head feels just as fucked as before
>worry I could have had a seizure and it could happen again
>unsure of what to do

any advice appreciated
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 01:12:30 EST I6YS7H0F No.145415 Reply
/benz/ is open to anything working on GABA-a and GABA-b. Yeah, pentobarbital isn't a benzo, but I damn well would bump and want to see someone bump if possible.

I don't want to speak to that post, but it seems as if the poster is indicating the relative pointlessness of snorting pregabalin as well as benzos in general. However, maybe I am way off and people do mistake pregabalin and gabapentin as being benzos, but next to no one in the general public associates benzos and GHB (GABA-b agonist) outside of the fact of both being used to date rape people.
Ernest Fucklelock - Sun, 28 Apr 2019 06:03:59 EST 4KRku3x0 No.145561 Reply
tbh it's easier to spike someones drink with clonazolam/flubromazolam/flunitrazolam/flualprazolam dissolved in alcohol than it is with ghb

you only need a few drops, the benzos are cheaper and legal (well depends where you live) while with ghb you need a lot more and since they made gbl hard to obtain ghb isn't as cheap as it used to be.... around 2010 5g of ghb cost me around 0.5 eur (was making it myself).... buying it now on the dnm would cost a lot more, and now that I have a cheap source for pure basf gbl it's still more expensive

Stomach pain from volumetric dosing

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- Sun, 14 Apr 2019 19:11:55 EST JtaTLcg6 No.145407
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So yesterday I received these vials, and given I have a stomach ulcer, the ethyl alcohol is putting me through severe pain. My prescribed PPI's are barely helping. I try to dose on a full stomacg, but alas it fucks me up everytime.

Anyone else had this issue? Feeling pretty disappointed..

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Yoyo the yo-yo - Mon, 22 Apr 2019 01:56:17 EST O6ePcd2d No.145483 Reply
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The benzo im presribed is waaaaaaay more uncommon than that wonderfull stuff( the C-lam at least) you got there but doubt you tried estazolam(NOT ETIZOLAM) it's technically desmethylalprazolam if you have let me know what you think cause its the rarest RX benzo i and everyone else on here has hered of.
Ernest Fucklelock - Sun, 28 Apr 2019 05:54:52 EST 4KRku3x0 No.145559 Reply
drop them on blotters/sugar cubes/whatever and let the ethanol evaporate


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- Tue, 09 Apr 2019 09:50:22 EST bTPHhl7W No.145308
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I am a scrub and am not sure of this... I've heard conflicting accounts of people saying that snorting benzos can make them hit you harder and faster, much like stims. Worth it? Maybe parachute it? Or just pop 'em orally the intended way? Dealing with Klonopin here, specifically.
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Martin Nickleshaw - Sat, 27 Apr 2019 15:46:25 EST bTPHhl7W No.145549 Reply

OP here, I am typing this from the hospital because I took too many Benzedrex because I thought it was a benzo
Alice Buzzfield - Sat, 27 Apr 2019 22:23:06 EST L4x7ucJQ No.145552 Reply

you fool, everybody knows benzedrex isn't a benzo, unlike benzo-fury which is the best benzo ever

Polysedative Use

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!LL4h/.5ciM - Mon, 08 Apr 2019 00:20:44 EST O9ODue7A No.145293
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I'm on 2 mg of klonpin 2 x a day and 350 of Soma 3 x a day how hard will phenobarbital hit me on top of that starting dose ideal?
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Coma White !LL4h/.5ciM - Thu, 25 Apr 2019 13:08:19 EST O9ODue7A No.145516 Reply
It worked out I would recommend 15mg I slept like a King... I may even drop the Soma... Its too much bitch work to go in and out with my DR. I like that it's actually long acting.
Esther Crillerkit - Fri, 26 Apr 2019 21:10:23 EST GbTTwaYV No.145538 Reply
Yeah, as others pointed out. Be super careful in knowing your tolerance for each pharm-chem. Then reduce your normal amount of each one of you combine. I know that the "I used to do a crazy amount of this and that" posts are fucking cancer sometimes. But would like to share my past experience with poly-drug use with you.

Y'see, 'back in the day', I would combine LARGE amounts of Hydro(or Oxy)codone, like upwards of 500 to 700mg per day, coupled with roughly 20 to 30 Soma, about 6 to 12 bars of Xan. Then go hit the clubs and bars with fellow drugpals where I'd then usually end up drinking about 5 to 8 Double 151/redbull drinks and have a blast playing pool and darts at the bars or getting wild at the clubs. Oh yeah and coke was sometimes involved too. One of my best friends OD'd and died after one such outing. We both pretty much had the same tolerance and use habits but that one bad night just did him in suddenly and irretrievably. Remember being on the line with 911 dispatch while performing CPR until EMT/Paramedics arrived and took over. The hospital he went to is one that I actually used to work at myself and they had a state of the art top ranked level 1 trauma center. They worked on him for a full hour (which, given the state he was in, was remarkable that they tried so damn hard to bring him back). That was 2 years ago. I've cut way way back on mixing shit and I miss my homie all the time.
Coma White !LL4h/.5ciM - Fri, 26 Apr 2019 23:28:02 EST O9ODue7A No.145541 Reply
True that I'm going to cut one out of the unholy trinity likely Soma.... I'm having paradoxical anxiety and very minor labored breath... when the half life bumps into there other one around 11pm. Plus I'm taking Doxylamine which was just unfucking nessicary at this point. I have serious fucking anxiety and I have no idea what to do.... sometimes I wonder if I like subcontiously pushing it... I have a kid and a wife.... gonna revaluate my .. poly problem. Thanks for the legit info about your bud.

Constant debilitating anxiety

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- Wed, 27 Mar 2019 22:13:14 EST l/p0w9pr No.145183
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Do benzos really help with anxiety when taken regularly at a steady dose over long periods of time, or will the positive effect all be gone within a few weeks/months?
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Edward Homblemeg - Fri, 19 Apr 2019 04:09:08 EST /I1Ld4ID No.145446 Reply
I think this is a good idea. I have overcome 5 years of hard anxiety completely. I'm even interested in sharing how I did it, if I could. One of my focuses was on triggers and reversing triggers related to negative feelings/emotions. Though I can't help that much right now (uni).
Fanny Binkinluck - Thu, 25 Apr 2019 20:16:32 EST 9Y0v2iTW No.145521 Reply
I actually ended up agreeing with you re: not a long term solution and obvious addiction risk, but also I'm in a wheelchair and don't mind being depersonalized (far from it)

Anti-amnesiac drugs

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- Mon, 22 Apr 2019 01:30:34 EST 0zHIWK4P No.145478
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Anyone ever use drugs to aid in the memory loss associated with benzo use? Phenylpiracetam works for me, anyone try anything else?

Getting the most out of Xanax

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- Sun, 07 Apr 2019 15:13:00 EST 8PvCceRJ No.145291
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I take a 1mg of Xanax each night and I'm looking for tips on how to feel it more.

I take it on empty stomach, just water during the day, is there more i can do?
stretch and small movements to get blood throughout body before i take it? after?
should i remain stagnant instead?

i break it in half and that helps i believe, i don't really want to snort it but can i crush it up and drink water with it?
Graham Nobberford - Sun, 07 Apr 2019 15:38:49 EST 2aXZ0623 No.145292 Reply
Why not keep it under your tongue? I can't believe people go through whole day without food. Theoretically after about 6 hours from last meal most healthy people should digest what they ate. Besides it doesn't do much for you. You are better of looking into other methods like drinking grapefruit juice. This leads to inhibition of one of enzymes so you have higher level of alprazolam in your blood. However you need to drink it throughout the day for few days for it to work.
On the other hand, nicotine shortens duration of alprazolam.
Jack Fanlock - Sun, 14 Apr 2019 15:09:19 EST V29O5Ool No.145405 Reply
Sub it to a stub, and swallow with a soda,
for those faster stomach acids.
Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 01:03:00 EST I6YS7H0F No.145413 Reply
Sublingual dosing and drinking white grapefruit juice are the way to go.

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