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Harm Reduction Notes for the COVID-19 Pandemic

Drug Test Chances?

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- Thu, 26 Sep 2019 20:42:25 EST Rt3E2wAH No.147241
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I know this question is asked all the time, but I wanted some outside input. After not having any benzos/gabapentinoids whatsoever for at least 30 days minimum, after some negative events IRL...

I consumed exactly 0.5mg pharma alprazolam IR sublingually and 300mg non-staggered gabapentin orally. At roughly 1hr longer than exactly 5.5 days after consumption, I have a scheduled urine test that is 100% guaranteed to test for the major metabolite of alprazolam as well as gabapentin (I believe it tests for gabapentin only no metabolites). I'm not sure what cutoff levels it checks for, but it's a standard Suboxone/Subutex doc's monthly, or in my case every 2-3 months, urine test.

Is 5 days and approximately 13 hours after sublingual use of 0.5mg pharma alprazolam and 300mg oral gabapentin enough to let me piss clean? I can't use synthetic urine or substitute with someone else's clean urine because they also make sure I test positive for amphetamines, suboxone, and like 3-5 other medications. Testing negative for like 3-6 other meds I'm prescribed or otherwise using synthetic urine would be 10-100x worse than popping hot for xanax.

How likely am I to pass if I just drink a fuck ton of water the entire day before and the first ~4-6hr of the day of testing? Will I pass if I just drink water moderately the night before and the morning of, making sure I piss 2-4 times before my test? I know it's only 0.5mg alprazolam and 300mg gabapentin, but I'm mostly worried about the alprazolam.
Most sites say it takes ~2-7 days to test negative for a single xanax usage, with a range of ~1-3 weeks for chronic users. For gabapentin, most sites I could find say only ~2-4 days to piss clean, but don't specify if that's single or chronic usage.

I definitely haven't used xanax for at least ~14 days before this single dose, most likely 21-30 days, and if I did use it before that it was definitely no more than 2x a week and probably an average of 1-1.5x per week at doses of 1.5mg or less, usually 1mg. I know for SURE I didn't dose any gabapentin at least a full week before this single 300mg dosage. As for gabapentin, I've been a lot more liberal with its usage, but usually only 100mg gabapentin about 75-80% of the time and maybe the occasional 200mg gabapentin about ~20-25% of all doses, but it was all a solid 5+ days (likely 7+ days) before this recent 300mg dose.

Again, it will be pretty much 5.5 days plus 1 hour on the dot from the moment I first sublingually dosed 0.5mg xanax, and maybe ~10min later orally dosed 300mg gabapentin whilst also washing down any residual alprazolam for de facto oral administration.

I would describe my metabolism as very, very slow in terms of physical activity (haven't been exercising besides swimming in the pool for around 60-90min approx. 2x a day for the last 2-3 weeks since I've been spending like 5-7hr/day just applying for new jobs or researching new jobs whilst sitting on the computer doing either other field-related research or writing), except for the fact that I have taken a minimum of 75mg adderall IR per day at least ~3-5 days before dosing the xanax+gaba and at least 60mg adderall IR/day for multiple weeks before that, taking I believe 90mg IR the day before/day of dosing xanax+gabapentin (began sublingually consuming the 0.5mg pharma xanax around ~1-1:30am and definitely for sure washing down the 300mg non-staggered gabapentin within ~10-30min of the sublingualed xanax, guaranteeing that it was all fully dissolved and presumably active in my system by 2:30am).

My test is pretty much on the dot 5.5 days since the moment I washed the gabapentin down (10min after sublingual xanax), if not 5.5 days plus 60-90min. Tomorrow, which is ~3.5-4 days before the test, I plan to walk/jog on the treadmill at least about ~120min total, with between ~40-45min of it being jogging, but I don't want to exercise any additional days closer than 72hr before the test out of fear that doing so will simply release more xanax, as xanax is supposedly lipid-soluble and is definitely not water soluble.

What are your guy's thoughts? What should I take to help me? The biggest reason I don't want to dilute the fuck out of my urine sample is because not only does it specifically test for "specific gravity" and I believe it's called creatinine content, but also my levels of amphetamine, buprenorphine, and at least 2 other medications' levels will be tested for. It's extremely important that my buprenorphine levels look "normal" or higher than normal (normally take 4mg/day but am scripted 24mg/day, so I've been taking 6mg/day snorted or plugged the last 3 days and plan to jump to 8mg/day for 2 days, then ~16-28mg the last 2 days before and morning of testing to ensure my levels look right), though it's okay and actually beneficial if my adderall levels look a bit low.

Again, what's especially important like I said is the levels of 2-3 other non-controlled medications, as evidence that I'm not taking them regularly will make him less likely to switch my daily adderall IR script back to dexedrine IR but same dosage. I want the dexedrine script because it has less side effects, causes less insomnia, causes less negative effects on the heart/cardio system, and is ~25-33% stronger per mg, which will significantly help me not run out early, as I had been taking ~120mg+/day for a few weeks on a wild binge. Thankfully I've been on usually 75mg/day and maybe 2-3x/week 90mg/day for over a week, and plan to continue tapering down to ~60mg/day adderall so that it's at least a half-way acceptable dose in terms of long term neurotoxicity.

What else...so I'm 6'2", ~230-240lb, so yeah...not slim lmao.

How fucked am I? The plan is to test my first piss of the day with a home test Saturday morning, or roughly ~3.25 days before the actual test and ~2.25 days since I consumed the xanax. Unfortunately I only have a few benzo dipstick tests and no gabapentin/gabapentinoid dipstick tests whatsoever.

5.5 days should be more than long enough for "just" a single dose of 300mg gabapentin from what I've seen online, but it seems like at 5.5 days since single xanax consumption, even at such a low dose, has a significant chance of making me test positive, even if the chance is somewhat below 50%.

Basically I need to decide before going in there if I'll tell the truth or not. One of my grandparents just had two cancer-related surgeries and is likely to have additional stage 3 or higher cancer which we'll find out in roughly 2 weeks, which has been impacting me psychologically. So yeah, I can "use" that as an excuse, but I'd REALLY not want to have to do that if it's not needed.

tl;dr consumed just 0.5mg pharma xanax sublingually and 300mg non-staggered oral gabapentin exactly ~132-133hr (5.5 days) before a urine test UA that is guaranteed to test for xanax's major metabolite and gabapentin (likely just gabapentin no metabolites). No xanax was consumed at least 2 weeks, like 3-4 weeks, before that lone dosage. Previous xanax use was not consistent enough to bioaccumulate; previous gabapentin use is similar in that it definitely hadn't bioaccumulated. Low metabolism, 6'2" 235-240lb, apart from arguably high dose daily adderall usage. Will I fail?
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dr. m - Mon, 30 Sep 2019 19:33:01 EST Rt3E2wAH No.147278 Reply
>>147275

Roughly 4.5-4.75 days since dosing 0.5mg xanax, and I still failed. There was a slight shade on the positive line, but it's definitely still a negative.
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lol - Mon, 30 Sep 2019 20:27:01 EST BqpvRW4y No.147280 Reply
>>147278

Damn im around same height and weight and 5 days is enough to get a mg out in time, i think tests matter due to different sensitivity, you might just have to take a loss on this one and take it as a lesson, hopefully you somehow pass
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dr. m - Tue, 01 Oct 2019 21:13:07 EST Rt3E2wAH No.147284 Reply
>>147280

Ended up doing my last at home dip test approximately ~3hr before the actual test after significantly diluting my urine, and I actually PASSED lmao. Of course I decided to just dilute some more and not confess to taking either 0.5mg xanax or 300mg gabapentin. There's definitely still a solid chance I'll fail (idk ~10-40%? who knows), but hopefully nothing comes of it. My doc and I have a great relationship and I've never failed for an opioid once, or anything besides occasional xanax or maybe one weed positive IIRC, and I need to keep it that way. If I do test positive for xanax, I doubt anything will come from it unless I fail again within the next 1-3 months.

The only major immediate downside is he might revoke my privileges of only coming in every ~10-12 weeks and instead make it every 4-6 weeks, which would totally suck. Another possibility is his office calls me randomly within the next 2 weeks or so and says I need to report to the nearest urine testing center within 48 hours for a retest if tested positive, inconclusive, or invalid (low creatinine, invalid specific gravity values, etc.)

PSA: there ARE effectively snortable benzos

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- Fri, 20 Sep 2019 09:10:15 EST iLlEpcOH No.147198
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the common rule of them for benzos is eat them, or potentially smoke them if they're weird ones like etizolam, but that insufflation is useless because bioavailabilty but I have some STRONG evedence to the contrary in the case of SOME benzos, I've snorted still like xanax and kpins and it sucked nasty drip, kicked in a little faster cause drip but was weak but heres what I found out

TEMAZEPAM is snortable as all hell, they're caps so I thought what the hell, tine caps, not a lot material, so I figured fuck it lets try, no burn, no drip, sticks to your nose, and you get a legitimate rush, just did and I went from chill to like legit rush of relax and euphoria

any other benzos that are like this? maybe etizolam since you can smoke it? bioavailabilty varies a lot even between benzos

also i just gotta ask, if I cut this shit up really fine and disolved it in in something that it would disolve in it (I know its not very water soluable) that' relatiely safe to put in your veins could I reasonable shoot it? or what about IM?

this shit is the best benzo ive ever tried and for real this is the shit and I feel like it's got a lot of cool ROAs, ima try vaping it

what a versitable legitimately euphoric benzo, specially with a bit of speed mixed in lol

wow my god awhole knew world has opened up, shame it's so hard to cop but my doc gave me a SIXTY day supplie I mean holy shit, I put away 30 for a party and now I got like 5 left after this bender, i got work in two hours so I'm about to get to the last bit of enjoying this shit but god damn this is neat

any other benzos that have good ROAs other than oral? I think the "just eat it" dogma is bs cause like I said I know for a fact etz smokes well, whats safe to shoot, i'm goin all out, this is the beginning of a great time for the forseeable future, sorted my self out with a year t break from all things and now I can come back and have less of a dependency issue, gonna get a couple time delay safes and DAMN I can't wait to get back into responsible use shit this stuff is great

so i guess what other benzos have effective roas beyond just eating? minus boofing cause that always kind of works but idk

point is, it's a whole knew world folks

will report how vaping it goes, setting up a foil
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Matilda Blackville - Wed, 25 Sep 2019 18:12:35 EST iLlEpcOH No.147236 Reply
pretty much just came to, god damn I made a genuine ass of myself, all criticisms made are valid,i don't remember making this post, I don't remember if I was ever successful in smoking the shit, I have a few frames of a memory of trying to smoke it off foil but it wasn't melting so I just cut it up and ate the rest

I think at some point I figured out that just eating it was the best solution, but if I had easy access to needles i would've shot it probably

woke up having bought an oil burner, but I never used it apparently, because it's spotless

among other things I apparently went to the sex shop and bought a box of poppers and 500 nangs and put them on my emergency credit card, I do remember huffing those nangs though so I'm not counting that as a total loss but 500 shit
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Matilda Blackville - Wed, 25 Sep 2019 18:15:23 EST iLlEpcOH No.147237 Reply
>>147236
also it should go without saying that those "30 I put away for a party" are gone now lol, along with 10 bars I legitimately did have put away for a party
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Frederick Niddlemed - Sun, 29 Sep 2019 05:04:21 EST qX1zulka No.147269 Reply
>>147198
Loprazolam is the greatest water-soluble pill one can crush (they're clonazepam tiny, unlike pilled Midazolam, which either the 15 or 30's, both are big ass horse pills), not so with Loprazolam, but....expensive as shit on actual IOP's due to rarity, only a handful of European countries have it, like Lormetazepam (not water soluble but goddamn, it has an amazing profile that makes it very desirable, any dutch or belgians and whoever other european here could tell you, it's good shit). I was sent Loprazolam (no, not lorazepam or ativan, lopra-zolam), it's not an RC either) by a Belgian friend and I was shooting them up, had tons of Sterifilts then too so, it was great, they don't come in doses higher than 1mg and it was even better even orally than oral midazolam, which is good for sleep but it's like Temaz/Flurazepam, the 30's are where its at, the 15's are meh.

Yeah you can snort the inside of benzos in capsules, temaz, Librium, Dalmane (flurazepam)...maybe some others, but thats those I know are in capsules only here, it works though absorption through the nasal spots that intake all insufflable active compounds, but it's no better than just eating em, also, snorting shit is already bad, why do it when unneeded, save yourself from daily snorting of powders I say, you don't want sinus issues like I do, I'll tell you that.

Klonopin High

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- Fri, 27 Sep 2019 19:13:14 EST i5aBM4Qv No.147248
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I'm be honest. I acquired about 50 kpins (and have a ton more on the way recently and wanted to know how much i have to take (in mgs) to get a buzz on. I have taken 6 before with no effect. Am I fucking something up or is this shit really that weak? I am getting them free so thats a plus.(they are the Green M c 14;s)
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Sat, 28 Sep 2019 19:35:31 EST uY+OWDqK No.147264 Reply
The subtle effects of benzos, anecdotally, seem to affect individuals with anxiety more so than individuals who do not have higher rates of anxiety.
Much in the same regard, a low dosage of a benzo could theoretically have the same effect for someone with social anxiety disorder as a much higher dose is equivalent for another person’s night out.
The clonazepam described are made by Mylan Pharmaceuticals. People have varying ideas of what genetics are better/worse and if there is even a difference between generic meds and brand name meds. Objectively, differences in brands can exist. Personally, I have had the extreme displeasure of having my scripts filled with Mylan MFG diazepam and clonazepam. If I would normally take 10mg diazepam or 1mg clonazepam manufactured by Teva then it would take 1.5x to 2x the dosage to receive the same effects, but still even for a shorter period.

What is your prior experience with benzos like?

>>147259
This.
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Connypin - Sat, 28 Sep 2019 23:53:37 EST i5aBM4Qv No.147266 Reply
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>>147259
Yes, I ahve some pretty moderate anxiety (PTSD from Iraq mostly) and am anxious and jumpy alot of the time. I had a friend say they didn't work for him so he gave me about 150 in total. I took about six and feel eeeeehhhh. I'm just looking for the point where I feel mellowed out like I took a bar. Not chasing the high or anything I just want to know why they aren't working like i figure benzos should. I am normally prescribed Ativan but those ran out long ago. I don't have much of a tolerance atm unless you count the 6 I took yesterday. Maybe I should mix them with some promethozine?
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Frederick Niddlemed - Sun, 29 Sep 2019 04:30:18 EST qX1zulka No.147267 Reply
>>147248
Just 0.5mg wiill waste most non-medicated by a doctor everyday. I started with Rivos (clonaz is called Rivotril up here and almost everywhere else on earth, although the brand name Roche ones we have here do not have the amazing carved K's like in your brand name ones).I had HPPD and clonazepam is a known actual cure for HPPD and it did work, after a year and a half of taking 0.5mg twice a day, all visual weirdness from taking way too much acid in just 5-6 years was gone, which was a miracle. Anyways, I was super wrecked by taking 2x0.5 at once, so...you didnt specify the dose, but if it it's 2mg's...those wreck a noob, and clonaz is a good one for many reasons because it lasts a good while, but it takes a good hour before you get any feelings. 2mg will wreck a noob all day for sure, so don't pop more than 0.5 in the morning if you got something to do during the day that demands attention, unless you suffer from anxiety then somehow everything will become "normal", especially for people who don't know or would never admit to having an anxiety issue, that changes em entirely.

Careful, if you got like 0.25 or 0.5mg doses, no danger of getting more than a psychological addiction, if you don't have one already, but if they're 1 or 2's, don't dose too much of them all day errday 'cuz the stoppage will be painful, not too dangerous for somebody who doesn't take benzos everyday, but it will be pretty bad for you for a 2 days to a week.

Hope that helps.

Tolerance over time?

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- Thu, 26 Sep 2019 20:45:51 EST M/PQpJj4 No.147242
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I was taking prescribed 2mg lorazepam Ativan daily for a few months (about 4) and then lowered to 1mg for about the last 2. I just a bunch pressed xanax bars and they didn't hit me nearly as hard as I expected them to. They could be underpressed but they do give me a feeling I just have to take several (4-5) to get close to the feeling that 1 or 2 used to give me.

I know that tolerance grows and that ~6 months (maybe longer like 8 months) is a long time but I thought that the low dose of 1-2mg's lorazepam wouldn't create such a tolerance compared to the strength of alprazolam.

Does prolonged use even if it's just a small dose really grow your tolerance that much? How long would you think it takes for the tolerance to go back down?

Thanks
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dr. m - Fri, 27 Sep 2019 02:49:24 EST Rt3E2wAH No.147246 Reply
>>147242
By far the most likely variable in this equation is the severe undosing of your "bars." One bar is easily 5x as strong as another. If you're going to use street bars, you might as well order ~97-99% pure etizolam/diclazepam/phenazepam/arguably flualprazolam.
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Reuben Goggleford - Sat, 28 Sep 2019 17:18:47 EST waaYyCjz No.147262 Reply
>>147246

Agreed. If etizolam is illegal in your state read the biblw for ordering things in onion fields and buy that instead. Ppwder is super cheap and can ve volumetrically dosed with propelyn glycol, a mm scale, and a 1 ml syringe

Drug testing

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- Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:44:01 EST 2fOKw+fS No.147229
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I took a 1mg clonazolam pill I randomly found last night and got hired today for a job that wants to drug test me soon. No idea when it will be but would I be fine within a day or so with just 1 pill? Not a daily user of it either, I’ve been clean for a bit.
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Phoebe Breblingdedge - Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:16:37 EST 2fOKw+fS No.147231 Reply
>>147230
Yes it’s clonZOLAM so I can’t make up excuses like “oh so and so gave me a klonopin when I was having anxiety” if it shows up as an RC. Also I heard drinking water only helps for flushing out THC, is that true?
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Eugene Webbersot - Wed, 25 Sep 2019 02:24:40 EST dudUPdod No.147232 Reply
>>147231
Clam I HEARD, heard is not all that likely to be detected in a drug test because of a lack of metabolites shared with regular pharmas. It's probably a good chance you will pass unless it is a very stringent test but definitely do what the other person said and do mid stream collection
>>147231
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dr. m - Wed, 25 Sep 2019 15:16:30 EST Rt3E2wAH No.147234 Reply
>>147231

It's actually the opposite when it comes to THC. THC-COOH is lipid soluble, meaning dilution methods are LESS effective than diluting for other drug tests. Definitely dilute. You should be fine.

Tripping on Ambien

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- Fri, 23 Aug 2019 15:58:24 EST 1lQnYdH3 No.146934
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Is it just me or is ambien the trippiest benzo? Its sort of gives you a psychedlic experience, while i dont exactly full on trip like see patterns and weird shit and stuff it still does some weird thing, for example if im watching a movie in pitch dark while on ambien i get the sensation that im in a movie theatre and there are people watching the movie with me, theres commotion in the background but i dont hear voices or anything, its like walking down a crowded place but without the people and not focusing on what everyone is saying, not only that but when i close my eyes i began to have a trip in my imagination, sort of like im dreaming but awake, i start imagining all types of trippy shit. So what causes this specific benzo to act this way? Are there other benzo's like them? or are your experienciees different then mine? id love to kno.w
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Eliza Brenderhedge - Fri, 13 Sep 2019 06:46:29 EST gACrxJp9 No.147110 Reply
>>147024
its funny, zopiclone has never done anything to me other than the metalic taste - doesnt even make me feel drowsy and i still end up staying awake late on it even at the exact same doses you took.

Hmm
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Archie Brunkinfield - Fri, 13 Sep 2019 09:11:58 EST iLlEpcOH No.147112 Reply
I had Ambien a couple times and had a lot of memory loss and doing weird shit, putting on different clothes, writing random shit that didnt make any sense, that sort of thing but now i got zopiclone and its neat, a lot less trippy and more just sedating, mixed with alcohol 15mg felt like maybe 10-20mg diaz

Taste is so bad though, its not even really metallic, it's just like generic pill taste, like a xanax got stuck in my throat, drinking water helps for like a minute, eating helps a bit more but i usually have zero appetite
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Lydia Fablingtetch - Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:44:48 EST FaZ22oVA No.147223 Reply
I was like eh there's no way I've been here over 10y & not known Ambien was a benzo this whole time

Anyways yeah I agree it's trippy. I also got my doc to script me 10mg/day. I'd describe it as a heavily aesthetic drug.. by that I mean it adds a very tangible yet strange ambiance to what you're doing (for instance I had just got out of the hospital & was staying with family, my brother was playing through Alien: Isolation; the vibes from just watching him play were surreal

That said it doesn't get you high per se & a lot of people have a similar opinion of the drug compared to Tramadol. If you think you have to be careful on benzos then be doubly careful with Ambien. I try to limit 40mg in a sitting as I've had those exact nights with the walrus where I wake up realizing I'd torn my room apart searching for pills that I'd already taken, called my mom at 5am mumbling the name of my friends gf, taken literally all the drugs at my place & so firmly believing I hadn't taken them even calling my doctor's office telling them (it's so cringe even typing this)

"I lost my medications down a storm drain" at work

For some reason they still fill my scripts for me lol

xan first time

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- Mon, 23 Sep 2019 11:43:45 EST mC81D8BW No.147221
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how much i can take for first time (sory for my bad english but i prefer get me high than study english)
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:32:38 EST qkzTPNFj No.147222 Reply
>>147221
Anywhere from 0.5mg to 1.5mg should be decent. Avoid drinking alcohol on benzos. Also, be cautious with what you are doing and where you are at. Benzos have a tendency to decrease inhibitions.

Highdose Ashwaghanda

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- Fri, 20 Sep 2019 10:46:04 EST jW0v/dZ8 No.147199
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So I just recently discovered this plant and it works very well for my anxiety, way better than kava, mulungu etc. I take 0,5 to 1g per serving and was wondering whether a high dose of it (5g or more) would beneficial or if it could cause negative sideeffects? Anyone here experienced with ashwagandha?
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Brain - Fri, 20 Sep 2019 14:08:53 EST FlhZcZS0 No.147200 Reply
>>147199
If it works very well and you ain't required benzos, why try to push this and possibly make this ineffective?
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Hugh Drozzledale - Mon, 23 Sep 2019 04:34:48 EST jW0v/dZ8 No.147219 Reply
>>147200
It works good, but sometimes I have to take a benzo in addition for a sufficient effect. I was wondering whether a high dose of ashwagandha will have a stronger anxiolotic effect or whether it would just cause side effects.

Best benzo for sex

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- Wed, 11 Sep 2019 05:05:14 EST m07omdiI No.147075
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What benzos increases libido the most / is most suitable for sex?
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Thu, 12 Sep 2019 20:13:13 EST qkzTPNFj No.147104 Reply
>>147089
Etizolam is much more potent and has many desirable effects. The drug kicks in rather quickly and has a duration similar to alprazolam. Oxazepam is one of those benzos that even on paper sounds like shit.
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BenzoBob - Fri, 13 Sep 2019 12:15:06 EST MUSU/fIQ No.147114 Reply
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How much muscle relaxation do you get from Etizolam? I imagine its better than xanax but also weaker than say Rivotril. Also using 2 benzos at once not a good idea or can it synergise well
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Sat, 21 Sep 2019 03:39:05 EST qkzTPNFj No.147213 Reply
>>147114
Etizolam’s muscle relaxation is negligible at best.

Using multiple benzos at once does have synergy, but be cautious with initial dosages (take a lower amount of each than you typically would with each drug solo) and try to avoid re-dosing, driving, alcohol, and other drugs.

BWGQ: Bump with Gabaergic Questions

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- Mon, 09 Sep 2019 01:31:59 EST Jlot+jMU No.147045
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Post any questions regarding Benzodiazepines or Gabaergic chemicals and I will answer. I thought it would be nice to give back, I will do my utmost to be your personal anxiolytic medication.

Worried you have taken too much?
Substance interactions?
Health concerns?
Taper advice?

For both therapeutic and recreational information please first see if your questions can be sufficiently answered by:

Professor C. Heather Ashton - Benzodiazepines: How they work & How to withdraw (aka The Ashton Manual)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsjhqdE7-6A
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Chan - Thu, 19 Sep 2019 15:08:09 EST DPA8sSzN No.147188 Reply
>>147186
>Disclaimer: totally unofficial/non-professional medical advice from a nobody
>It is of the utmost importance to seek professional advice with these chemicals

I don't believe there should be any problem. However a quote from the Wikipedia article "Mainly due to the poor quality of clinical research with the plant, there is no high-quality evidence that it provides any medicinal benefit and may cause adverse effects if taken together with prescription drugs.". Again I would say it is fine but would research as much as possible for harm reduction measures before taking it.
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Ernest Bubberdock - Fri, 20 Sep 2019 07:04:44 EST c0nRytkF No.147195 Reply
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>>147186

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I don't believe there should be any problem. However a quote from the Wikipedia article "Mainly due to the poor quality of clinical research with the plant, there is no high-quality evidence that it provides any medicinal benefit and may cause adverse effects if taken together with prescription drugs.". Again I would say it is fine but would research as much as possible for harm reduction measures before taking it.

This is horseshit, ashwagandha is one of the most studied plants/supplements around

https://examine.com/supplements/ashwagandha/

>Ashwagandha appears to be involved in signalling through the GABAA receptor, as its beneficial influences on sleep are abolished with GABAA antagonists and potentiated by GABAA agonists[119] and the ability of ashwagandha to enhance GABAA signalling via diazepam has been noted elsewhere with 5µg of the methanolic extract[120] and 100-200mg/kg oral ashwagandha (mice).[121]
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Ernest Bubberdock - Fri, 20 Sep 2019 07:11:56 EST c0nRytkF No.147196 Reply
>>147186

Just slowly taper the benzos and use ashwagandha, its an adaptogen

>Ashwagandha is known as an adaptogen compound, which may be due to the withanolide glycosides (ie. Withanoside IV rather than Withaferin A).[152][153][154] Adaptogens tend to reduce the perception of stress, and while their mechanisms are not well known in the case of Ashwagandha it may be related to preventing a stress-induced increase in NADPH diaphosphorase[128] (ie. nNOS[155][156]) which may be related to preserving the decrease in its negative regulators (serotonin) while preventing its positively regulators (corticosterone, glutamate) from increasing during stress.[128]

Lyrica

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- Sat, 14 Sep 2019 08:55:09 EST MDf9rpQf No.147124
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Does anybody have a rough equivalence ratio between Lyrica (Pregabalin) and benzos (klonopin specifically)? I know they are totally different drugs but i'm withdrawing from benzos and i need to know how much pregabalin to take. Thanks
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John Worrycocke - Wed, 18 Sep 2019 15:31:20 EST gACrxJp9 No.147179 Reply
>>147124
I feel monged if i take too much pregaba

but if i take the right amount i become more sociable

gaba gaba hey

KETOGENIC DIET

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- Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:10:42 EST PiiYACA7 No.147154
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I just discovered that a Ketogenic diet profusely reduce withdrawal symptoms of long term benzo use.
But if a take a high carb meal in this period, I will get inmediatly high anxiety, depersonalization and insomnia for nearly two days
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:44:36 EST qkzTPNFj No.147168 Reply
I know some people who’ve gone through ketosis via the Whole 30 or keto diet. Not everyone experiences a decrease in baseline pain, anxiety, and stress. While a healthy diet can help some people I think more research has yet to find a conclusive significant correlation between Diet A and Symptoms x/y/z decreasing.

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>>147155
I second this.

Clonazolam

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- Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:39:33 EST 00IhxmNn No.147166
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Sup /benz/

I was hoping if anybody knows does clonazolam's metabolites pop for benzos. I've found some good articles and all they really say is that they are detectable if looked for not that they specifically pop for benzos. The main metabolite is 7-aminoclonazolam. Thanks!
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:48:47 EST qkzTPNFj No.147169 Reply
>>147166
Here’s the scoop: Sometimes. Clonazolam has been hailed as one of the only benzos that does not lead to failing a UA 100% of the time for some people based on certain drug tests. However, because some people do still fail their UAs after ingesting clonazolam it would not be beneficial or even morally acceptable for anyone on this board to tell you, “yeah, you’ll almost never fail a UA if you only take clonazolam.”
My stance has always been to minimize risk and not use.

Someone else might have some more depth.
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Hugh Choffingstone - Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:04:21 EST 00IhxmNn No.147170 Reply
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Appreciate it Dr. Katz, glad to see you're still on this board. It has been a while since I've been back. I really shouldn't risk it. They way they do it at my job is immunoassay done in a very poor manner. Basically they take a "batch" of urine. They take half of every sample put it into one and test it via immunoassay if the batch pops they then GC-MS every individual. Basically my only risk would be if there is cross reaction on the immunoassay or if someone in my batch pops for something and their GC-MS reveals something.

benz drug testing help, especially for peeps on (non drug related) probation

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- Sun, 15 Sep 2019 18:29:53 EST 1U6/0O1S No.147145
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oh god oh fuck so /benz/ i have an urgent question
i'm usually a /hooch/ guy myself but this is the last night i'd need my nightly drink but I couldn't afford anything. I scoured the floor of my/my sister's side of our bedroom and found some half broken xanax bars just lying around the floor when she was hard into that. i'd always see that some of the ones she got were bunk but some were really good and so far I'm having the feeling that there *very* good

in any case, my question is, in my complete retardation took the bars to stave off the alcohol withdrawal, not realizing that I have a probation meeting coming up in 3 days. It's not a drug offence probation but they did drug test me once a good while back earlier (and I did come up clean!) but i'm starting to near the term where i could finish off my sentence half way through for good behaviour. I have a feeling this is another point where they'd wanna test me before i get off, but I don't know, and I don't want to take any chances. Do you think the xanax will have left my body by the next 2 and a half days, or is there any good detox drinks or something i could do to make it undetectable?

pls help and thanks <3
thanks <3
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Nigel Murdforth - Sun, 15 Sep 2019 19:46:28 EST 1U6/0O1S No.147148 Reply
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>>147147
but there has to be a detox drink for that right
i see them all the time in smoke shops and gas stations
do they work?
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Brain - Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:59:36 EST qM27bOms No.147153 Reply
>>147148
No, not normally. Have you thought about getting clean piss from someone else?
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Martin Bossleville - Fri, 20 Sep 2019 20:38:32 EST TTCzQoTo No.147206 Reply
>>147148
no certainly not in 3 days. you need to not get tested or someone elses piss

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