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people deliberately muddying the waters around medical care of transgender youth

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- Fri, 14 May 2021 19:29:30 EST LKzeRb2X No.408329
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https://segm.org/Sweden_ends_use_of_Dutch_protocol

I saw this article earlier and it kind of struck me as interesting. The site is clearly a transphobic think tank if you look at the About Me, putting gender affirmation in scare quotes, differentiating childhood and adolescent onset gender dysphoria (see HSTS vs. AGP), the whole "why on Earth are so many kids these days deviating from gender norms now that it's way more socially acceptable to do so?!" thing, and the thing that gets under my skin the most as a neurodivergent trans person poopooing about many of their patients had "underlying neurological and psychiatric comorbidities" which is basically trans-medicalist speak for "you're not trans you're just confused you crazy autty", along with talking about "alternatives" like talk therapy, something that clearly objectively doesn't work. Oh and also comparing gender affirming therapy to "thalidomide, lobotomies, and opioid pain-killers" which is pretty heinous

You'll also notice in the title they say "Sweden ends use..." but in actuality it was a single research hospital that made the decision to only offer puberty blockers in a research setting, so that's a pretty big lie before you even read past the title, so the site is obviously disinfo and that's not my concern, whole thing looks straight out of Irreversible Damage, they use the classic bad study about how most gender non-comforming kids "grow out of it" but in reality the kids surveyed didn't necessarily report gender dysphoria specifically, and they were much too young to even be eligible for puberty blockers, it's obviously just a fact kids experiment with gender when they're growing up to find out what fits them and no one is signing up a 5 year old boy who wears dresses for hormones and SRS

However... I do still think further research is necessary it's in the scheme of things a brand new treatment and ultimately it would help a lot to have a larger body of empirical evidence. Don't get me wrong, with the information we currently have, I think puberty blockers are a perfectly acceptable treatment after a pre-adolescent person has gone through the same rigorous psychological analysis that adult trans people go through to be approved for HRT, but do you think it's possible that there might be some legitimate research to come out that might point to problems with the treatment protocol? To me if you read past the lies and sensationalism, the story basically amounts to a single medical research institute erring on the side of caution, which y'know, maybe it's not a bad thing for them to do that, and I have a feeling that further research will demonstrate efficacy, but what if it doesn't? and how would we even be able to get straight information, some people seem so viscerally repulsed by the idea that they can't be objective, and as we can see from the site scientists and doctors aren't immune to this, but at the same time there could turn out to be legitimate problems how would we know and how would it affect the movement as a whole? we might be too eager to sweep some things under the rug because we know as soon as anti-trans activists taste blood in the water of some legitimate studies pointing to issues with gender affirming care they will never let it go and can seriously set us back

I guess in the coming decade we'll find out, but I am slightly nervous about the outcome, because I mean I went from wanting to kill myself every second of every day and trying twice to not even being able to comprehend what it's like to not want to be alive, I went from going to bed every night hoping I wouldn't wake up to going to bed every night excited to wake up the next day, sometime so much so I have trouble sleeping, and to me it seems like a grave injustice to deprive anyone of this experience by virtue of them being young or not fitting the mold of experiencing dysphoria from age 4 or because they have mental health issues or are on the spectrum (which there is a correlation, but there's no evidence that enthusiastic people show a greater rate of dissatisfaction in transitioning, so as far as we know now it's an inconsequential quirk it doesn't mean they aren't what they say they are). Just how outspoken are these people anyway? It seems like they have a lot of sway with legislators th…
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Phineas Mallerlock - Fri, 28 May 2021 00:36:24 EST HfZ9O5MN No.408377 Reply
>>408376
How conservatives treat you is definitely the best/most important metric for how well you pass. If they can't tell, then you're basically golden.
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Alice Bullyridge - Fri, 28 May 2021 18:10:25 EST yOHrQ5T7 No.408378 Reply
>>408377
>How conservatives treat you is definitely the best/most important metric for how well you pass.
lol, I actually use this metric too. I either get called a faggot, or treated with the defensiveness and hostility due to black men, so I consider myself Passed
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Charles Grandspear - Fri, 28 May 2021 20:01:59 EST LKzeRb2X No.408381 Reply
>>408378
>I either get called a faggot, or treated with the defensiveness and hostility due to black men, so I consider myself Passed


it's hilariously sad that we can kind of tell how people look at us based on the type of discrimination we get lol, went from "what you looking at pussy?" to "how you doin hon?"

idle question..

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- Mon, 07 Dec 2020 02:11:38 EST NOQSq08G No.407756
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is 25 too late to start on hormones or w.e & end up passing, eventually?
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Reuben Lightspear - Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:23:19 EST LKzeRb2X No.408205 Reply
>>408200
yeah my b i know i have to stop doing that, for the game i have to play i rolled pretty well even though i didn't start until the day i turned 23, if it's any consolation I have incredibly dark and course facial hair that I still can't even cover up with makeup after months of laser
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James Semmerfeck - Thu, 22 Apr 2021 01:11:48 EST gDJYme00 No.408239 Reply
>>407756
I did and passed fine after 18 months (hormones, laser, effort, and good starting point) and put $80,000 into surgeries over the next 5 years and am really comfy now. not perfect but the best I can do within reason.

still transition's all a pain in the ass that adds more problems than it solves so would I do it all again? eh, maybe, maybe not. after all that, I didn't hate being a man but really wanted to be a girl, and it's ok.
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Fanny Pockwill - Sat, 29 May 2021 18:16:39 EST Mxv1pXQW No.408387 Reply
If you can, start saving in case you find you want FFS later. It'll hit you and you'll have that nest egg and be all "phew". Maybe even start a gofundme for the occassion.

who here is a /lgbt/ refugee

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- Tue, 01 May 2018 00:36:32 EST ZKPIiyrp No.405180
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who here is a /lgbt/ refugee
the jannies really suck
i want my /tgg/ back then i wouldnt be a stinky trip
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Alice Demmerhall - Fri, 21 May 2021 12:50:33 EST LKzeRb2X No.408357 Reply
Lot of stuff i relate to here, I'm just now starting to truly get glimpse of what a cruel vicious person that website made me, and how all the terrible mean thoughts that come into my mind aren't what I'm afraid everyone else is thinking about me, deep down they're what i still think and i can't do anything about it, it's starting get better, i'm starting to really believe what i think at the deepest level, but now and then i'll see a happy unconventional person living their life freely, and i'll cringe just knowing literally every person on Earth is annoyed and disgusted by them, but that isn't the case, on some level i personally am, or at the very least i still believe the lie that it's how the majority of people think, and it really moves me to tears sometimes the burst of ill-will i'll feel towards people who did absolutely nothing wrong, someone who i know deals with a lot of hate and by any right i should share a deep connection with, it's a battle between these two impulses, on the one hand to say this non-binary person who goes by neo-pronouns or this trans woman who transitioned at 50 or whatever are exactly like me, we're one in the same and to attack them is to attack me, no difference in validity whatsoever, and on the other hand to just not deal with the uncomfortable feelings they stir up in me and throw them under the bus by trying to assert my superiority as a true tran because i had a marginally better spawn point

I wish i had just come out at 14 and been a tumblr kid tbh, i try to embrace every aspect of what's happened to me in life as essential to what i am, but spending my entire adolescence building up all this hatred and animosity in a pathetic attempt to try and run away from what i am just unambiguously sucks, no redeeming qualities, i don't look back with nostalgia or miss the "people" there, i hate them, i hate what they did to me, the fact that such pathetic people beneath contempt still have such a hold on me is infuriating, at least having been in their shoes i know what really hurts them, but even so there's no catharsis in ridiculing them, i still see too much of myself reflected in them, it just makes me feel worse
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John Posslestone - Fri, 21 May 2021 19:13:53 EST HfZ9O5MN No.408358 Reply
>>408357
>i try to embrace every aspect of what's happened to me in life as essential to what i am, but spending my entire adolescence building up all this hatred and animosity in a pathetic attempt to try and run away from what i am just unambiguously sucks
Yeah... I think you captured the essence of the experience as a whole pretty well.
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Samuel Nivinghut - Tue, 01 Jun 2021 04:38:34 EST 06Oo/yXC No.408398 Reply
>>408355
>I understand. I'm not trans (GNC lesbian), but I still can relate to a lot of people off of the board since I've pretty much "grown up", in a sense, with 4ch culture; even though I did keep my 4ch life and real life pretty separate
Wait you can relate to the 4channers or normal people? I'm a bit confused by this sentence. I also keep the 4chan and irl separate, so it's not like I'm insane when I'm around normal people. But it doesn't really mean I relate to them.

>The other thing is that I don't really relate to the younger people on the board.
Yeah, that's definitely something. For one, I just can't deal with their drama and... Immaturity. But really a lot of what goes on there involves triggers for me.

> I think you were right when you said that either people have sort of moved on.
While I'm sure it does apply to 4chan, what I was talking about was pretty much a trans thing. People who have been transitioning as long and "fully" for lack of a better word, as I have all seem to be fine or whatever, and is now living their life and not affected by it much. But not me, it's still near constant and easily the vast majority of my pain and distress. With that, the raw emotion and anguish from a lot of the posters made it feel like I wasn't alone. But eventually it turned out most of the time it's another fresh 18 or "18" year old who would be fine in a few months. So it's why I've come to believe people I can relate to aren't around much because we either move on or end up killing ourselves.

>I'm part of a few Discord servers that are still /lgbt/ focused. Maybe it's something you could look into?
You mean /lgbt/ or LGBT? and idk, it's very tempting of course, but I have a feeling it'd just end up bad for me when someone inevitably mentions transitioning in high school or some shit. So it might be better off for me to just stay out and not ruin your community

Transition is over.

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- Wed, 28 Apr 2021 00:34:34 EST ay5MRTcI No.408262
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WARNING: Not native english speaker.

So, I transitioned, I feel fine were I am right now. ¿But now?. ¿What to focus on?. I'm kinda tired for all the effort it took, I had some bad moments, but I made it, I can see myself in the mirror, I have a job, I have friends, lovers. But I feel I'm missing something. I need a goal.

I'm feeling tired, meaningless. I'd like to lose some weight, I'd like to smoke less weed, It's not legal here, and it destroys my budget. I could quit sex work and live off my job if I stop smoking. But I just stay doing whatever feels fine at the moment.
I'm not setting enough limits on myself, and I keep on using all my money.

I'm not soo good. I also ain't doing bad. But all I want is to rest for a while. I feel I can't keep up with life now.

Shitty phone with broken front camera, could have the money to buy a new one if I wasn't such a fuckup.
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Irix - Wed, 28 Apr 2021 17:37:46 EST ay5MRTcI No.408276 Reply
>>408275
Glad you are doing better =). Also, thank you for talking to me. Right now I'm not sure about me. I have friends, but I tend to pester them all the time to avoid being alone. I needed to change that. They all have their problems too. I feel that trans folk are not doing that fine. I know that life is hard for everyone, with the world falling apart. But I see LGBT people doing the worse. Glad you are staying strong.

I posted a picture of me on this board and I'm feeling anxoius now. That's all I do. Feel anxious about being attacked again.

>>408273
Yeah. Transtioning changes your life. I can relate to that =).

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I just came back from work. I was away beacause I had a flu, and I was waiting for my PCR results to make sure it wasn't covid. I was scared that my boss would be mean,beacause I had taken a vacation the week before that. But he was sweet. He's scary, but he hired a non-passing tranny. And he appreciates my work.

I'm a programmer, but I can't get any work done at home, I just smoke weed. So I go to the office to get my job done. And I do well when I can leave home and have a clean space to work.

Anyway, everthing is fine at work. I feel better now. I could keep my life together after all.
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Ernest Tootspear - Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:30:26 EST lqUkmqGs No.408278 Reply
>>408276
Nice. Good luck, OP. When anti-trans people attack you just remember that they're the problem not you.
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Fucking Gisslebon - Sat, 01 May 2021 23:29:08 EST aOQEBuDr No.408279 Reply
>>408276
>Glad you are staying strong.
I'm very lucky, at the moment. I pass, I have housing and income. But many of us are surviving despite having harder situations. I talk to other trans people in crisis quite a lot. People are making it, even with the current crackdowns in the US.

>I posted a picture of me on this board and I'm feeling anxoius now.
I'm hesitant to comment a bunch on your appearance because I don't want to be creepy and you did not ask, but I will say that you certainly look absolutely fine. I'm truly glad you have a decent boss and friends to talk to, even sometimes, and that you're doing relatively okay in this hellscape we all currently occupy.

hair not visibly thinning but it feels like there's less of it to pull back

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- Tue, 04 May 2021 17:54:23 EST LKzeRb2X No.408282
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i've been on estrogen for like a year and a half now and my hair filling in and growing was one of the first changes I noticed and was really satisfied with. It's grown about 6-8 inches or so since I last had it cut a few months before HRT, and at that point it was getting kind of thin, honestly one of the things that made me take the plunge thinking fuck it i can't live like this so i might as well try and if it doesn't work out i can just an hero (glad that I did and am in a better place now), but anyway it filled in nice, hairline changed, whole nine yards, but now I've noticed that pulling it back (I never pull it back tight at all, there's virtually no pressure on the roots) it feels like the knot I usually make it into is noticeably smaller, a ponytail just isn't feasible because it just falls out immediately, and I part it on the left side, so it's always been the case that some of the hair that's on the right side of the part doesn't pull back so I just put it around the back of my right ear and it looks good, but it feels lately that there's more hair that I do that with, I don't care because I think it looks cute enough that way, but it's still part of the trend I'm noticing

So what I can think of I've gradually shifted the part further to the left over time, but going through old pictures it doesn't look like that's what it is. Maybe the longer hairs from before I started HRT are falling out, but the ones that came in after are still going strong, which would explain why it doesn't seem to be visibly thinning, and in fact feels stronger and healthier than ever.

The texture of it has changed quite a bit too, it's a lot more shinny and slippery, so maybe that's why it doesn't hold when pulled back, but doesn't explain why it feels like there's less there to work with, I think the most likely culprit is natural hair shedding as opposed to loss, since this in addition to this being a major life change it also changes hair production itself, so maybe the longer older ones are just being shed, does this happen?

I don't feel like doing it every time I want to leave the house, plus I don't have a car so going places on public transit/walking it gets messed up by the wind immediately and it's very hot where I live during the summer so hats are out of the question, so I really don't see any other options than very gently pulling it back, I can't imagine it's causing that much damage to the roots considering how tight some women pull their hair

since the crossroads I was at when I first noticed it thinning was between transition and hope it goes away or legitimately kill myself, i can't stop stressing about it, which is ironically counter-productive, biggest single source of dysphoria now that my beard is clearing up from laser, and it's probably completely in my head, I'm on a solid dose of estrogen at 10mg weekly and a solid dose of spiro at 200mg, I credit the latter more with stuff like my hair filling in and my acne going away, I use Revita and have since before I even started HRT, and that started to noticeably help even before since it legitimately blocks DHT among other things, I know there's no reason for it to be thinning, it's been on the exact opposite trajectory

pic unrelated random pic of someone with hair kind of like I have
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Sophie Pullylock - Thu, 06 May 2021 15:16:14 EST LKzeRb2X No.408285 Reply
it was just cause of where i parted it lol, needed to move it right a bit more, nb great talk

Prostate stimulation with via vaginal penetration?

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- Fri, 14 May 2021 07:17:23 EST URSYt4Zz No.408321
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Pre-SRS, the prostate is flush against the anal canal, which is why we all know to stimulate the prostate via anal penetration. After SRS, it looks like the prostate is right up against the vaginal wall instead, and I so have questions:

>Does this mean vaginal penetration can stimulate the prostate the way anal does for me right now?

>If so, is this done deliberately, so you kinda have a "G-spot" inside your new vagina?

>Does it change the way you have to "access" the prostate, or can you still do it anally?

>Is a prostate orgasm even possible after HRT shrinks it?

This info is really hard to google for. >.>
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Fucking Bronkinstone - Fri, 14 May 2021 14:17:13 EST HfZ9O5MN No.408325 Reply
>>408324
If you want to talk about SRS, similarities between male and female bodies, and the fact that transitioning is even possible with a little bit of hormones, then sure, but brain sex is one of those topics that would probably be better suited for its own thread as I can already see it hijacking and devolving the thread into something entirely different from the intended purpose.

But yes, the fact that transitioing is even possible by slightly modifying some of the chemicals in your body is quite impressive. Same with the fact that SRS is even possible in the ways which it is done- most of the tissues used are more analogous than people realize/give credit to.
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Caroline Mommlebud - Fri, 14 May 2021 18:12:28 EST LKzeRb2X No.408328 Reply
>>408325
oh i didn't mean to hijack the thread it was just an anecdote i find interesting and a lot of people don't know, didn't intend for there to be really any further discussion ITT, i don't view this point as debatable at this point so i wouldn't want to, if someone did want to challenge it or talk about it they should make a new thread you're right
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Phyllis Donnerchure - Fri, 14 May 2021 22:13:44 EST FOltDUZV No.408330 Reply
>>408321
You can definitely feel the prostate from the canal, don't know if it's done that way on purpose or it's just in that spot anyway and it'd be stupid and unnecessary to remove it. I'd imagine you can reach it anally, it's not like the canal is some permanently gaping chasm, it's just capable of stretching out so I think the prostate is still quite close to the rectum. Can't tell you actually though, I never enjoyed anal things. I don't really know what a prostate orgasm is like but presumably if you're getting srs and enjoy anal you already will have had the experience to know this.

realization on shrooms

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- Mon, 01 Feb 2021 14:49:14 EST VysurRPp No.407909
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anyone else have experiences/epiphanies about their identity while on shrooms? I've been on HRT for two years and every year is darker than the last. I feel like prey in a world of people who just want me fucking dead. The first time I took shrooms, I just felt so immensely comforted by the world. I realized that this is exactly who I am meant to be. I wasn't a failure or not enough; I was just me, and that was good enough.
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Charles Goodridge - Sun, 07 Feb 2021 23:12:20 EST yGsPbPRu No.407967 Reply
I didn't do a lot of psychedelics. Or...not properly, anyway.

I took dissociatives around the time I was starting HRT, which boosted my already-always-on dissociation quite a bit. I'd already been living as a dude for about 4 years, but the drugs helped disconnect me for a moment from the shitty messaging I got as a teenager from classmates and my family.
>pathetic eunuch, no dick, etc
>worthless as a man
>deformed
>monster, freakshow
>delusional girl
>never be loved by anyone as a male

All those thoughts came up like playing back recordings, but then without the instinctive trauma-cringe, the shock-collar of shame and sadness and whatever else in response, I just looked at myself like, "How true is that?" and saw a fairly normal-looking 18-year-old guy who'd had an unusual life up until that point, and who (at the time) needed surgery for a developmental issue. There wasn't anything particularly horrifying or pathetic about me. And it was pretty shocking that my immediate first response when I looked in a mirror was, "This is obviously a male teenager." I was used to having a bunch of cissexism layered on top that told me I was less than that, that didn't allow me to immediately recognize myself as anything.

But with the baggage off that's pretty much all I saw, lol. A miserable teenage boy.

I already knew that, which is why I'd bothered to come out and sneak out to get on t, but having nights with complete...I guess validity and self-respect? unable to be affected by people attempting to abuse and convert me, carried over a lot into my life even sober.

(Also crossdressing (as in, as a girl) became much more entertaining with later dissociative trips. Probably because it didn't make me think about being forced to do it when I was younger. Playing with gender in general is just funnier when you're /dis/sed out of your gourd.)

God I feel disgusting

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- Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:15:02 EST sFn6b7A/ No.407268
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I've been dealing with a catastrophic amount of shame lately. It's all surrounding how I dealt with my dysphoria when I was younger. From the time I was 12 to the time I was about 18, I used to steal and wear my sisters underwear. It was both to wear during my day to day as well as to masturbate. I feel like a completely disgusting, broken person because of this. I can never undo something that I feel borders on incestuous sexual assault. Having talked through some of it in therapy, I have tried to accept myself as having been going through serious mental health issues and coping the only way I knew how. I've apologized to my sister for it, and she has been forgiving and understanding. I've also tried to look at it as "I had to wear hand-me-down underwear" or "girls often steal their sisters clothes." Neither really help me feel less of this debilitating shame. Help me feel less awful?
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Lillian Chonnerstone - Mon, 08 Feb 2021 02:24:14 EST 0gbQb626 No.407969 Reply
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>>407961
Yeah. From what I remember, the rest of the dumbass book argues that due to all the evolutionary psychology bullshit and women not really having a sexuality of their own that women cannot be heterosexual or lesbian, only bisexual, and that men are the opposite with them being driven in large part by sexuality and incapable of bisexuality. Of course transsexuality is just hetero- or homosexuality run rampant, so bi trans women are always lying about being attracted to men, and thus self-obsessed/narcissistic str8 men.

Women not having sexualities is also how this "contagion"/ROGD crap has come about to explain why trans men exist (but shouldn't be taken seriously), I think.

>>407964
You would be a "homosexual transsexual", yeah, and like all of the rest of them you'd be a nymphomaniac (like all gay men) who cannot sustain a monogamous relationship. He attributes trans women being so prominent in sex work not due to employment discrimination against trans women but their insatiable cum lust getting the better of them. He claims to have met many trans women who have met and married these perfect upper middle class guys who gave them a house in the suburbs to be little housewives in only for them to run away and go back to being street based prostitutes because sex with one man was simply not enough.

I do think on some level Blanchard and Bailey attribute wanting to be desired as a woman to be sort of "AGP", as their explanation for why "homosexual transsexuals" transition is that transsexuality is just the natural endgame for a gay boy who is not beaten enough by daddy. The one true prevention - it stops their devolution. It is even framed like a form of harm reduction. Transitioning to women isn't inevitable because these people want to be or are women (even if that is what the liars say), it is because looking like women gets them access to the larger pool of str8 men for sex. If they could get that amount of sex looking like men they presumably would.
There are "crossdreamer" people who do just seem to get off to imagining themselves as women but they are probably some sort of extremely closeted crypto-trans with their sexuality and gender knotted up.

I don't think anyone actually fits into these categories. Besides them being so rigidly defined they're also kind of insane when you read the actual work. This shit theory gets by on people not delving into the details of it because, to someone who is blinded by transphobia, the idea of it all is good enough.
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Thomas Fuddlefield - Tue, 09 Feb 2021 14:28:50 EST LKzeRb2X No.407980 Reply
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>>407969
>There are "crossdreamer" people who do just seem to get off to imagining themselves as women but they are probably some sort of extremely closeted crypto-trans with their sexuality and gender knotted up

This can happen a lot but I also feel like some dudes legitimately do just have a fetish or like it for other reasons, which is completely fine, and they never end up identifying as a woman, you can be into exaggerated displays of femininity as a guy i.e. like drag and i wouldn't want to box people in saying this is always whats happening

it was for me initially but really quickly after starting HRT a switch flipped and along with like 1/5th the sex drive in general, I just find it gross and degrading, it doesn't do anything for me anymore since i 100% just see myself as a woman and don't have a problem with it at this point, so all the sissy JOI just comes off as mean since I don't view sex as an inherently degrading experience to the submissive partner.

I think the extremity of it is actually what makes it a somewhat decent replacement for a while since sex is a context in which you basically have to experience your gender/sexuality and you can't shove it down, so it forces you to and you like this feeling really because its the first time youve ever felt your actual gender but you quickly pervert the experience in your mind associating gender euphoria with a deeply degrading fantasy, the negativity of it acts to make it more safe for someone who is self-loathing, with the idea "oh I may have been cursed with these desires but at least i hate myself for them like a normal person i can still be normal please let me be normal i can fit in"

it can be a perfectly innocuous fetish or it can really fuck someone up either way, i could probably never have seen past it with out hormones killing my sex drive so i could actually have some kind of clarity pic related lol

Kenneth Zucker and the GIC

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- Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:18:45 EST 3VXlDhg/ No.408661
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This might not be the crowd to ask, but I can't think where else to post this.

Are there any Ontario transes here who had to go through the Gender ID clinic at CAMH in Toronto when they came out? c. the 2000s?

I would love to know: what were your experiences? How did it affect your transition?

HRT at 27

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- Wed, 18 Aug 2021 12:44:11 EST jsDpyyf0 No.408655
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Hey people, I don't really know where to start....
So I still live at my fathers place and the whole trans thing started a few months ago (technically a year before that where I noticed my shoulders being so annoyingly broad) when I was 26 a few days right after I have decided to come out to him as Bi. That was like the big impossible thing for most of my life. Now everyday is hell, he tells me to commit suicide all the time and the housing market here sucks so finding an own apartment is hard :(
I also can't get a therapist who sends me to an endocrinologist (that's how it works here in Germany), well I technically found one but my health insurance is now delaying since they don't want to pay for her....
I just feel so desperate and the signs of aging appeared back then and it's getting so much worse every day -.-

Honestly it sounds ridicilous but one of the fears I still have is probably some leftover from my reactionary MGTOW days in my early 20's, I just think that if I start HRT I will lose all my hornyness and if I ever had sex now with a cis-woman I will enjoy it so much that it will make me somehow realize that I am not trans? I can't even properly put it into words myself lol... but I don't feel like losing my virginity to a hooker or waiting until I get a good date, that sounds unreasonable too.

I will order now Lena's injectable Hormones, someone just told me that even as DIYer I should nontheless get my blood hormone levels to know how I should dose, is that correct or is the default dosage Lena recommends sufficient enough for HRT without any complications?

Idk, like at this point I feel like I am an old ass Hon and should KMS anyways. Maybe in like half a year. Hormones for 6 Months then offing myself, mh, sounds good.

Might as well live as a degenerate for a handful of days than a sad person who can't be herself all life long.
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Basil Messlelock - Tue, 24 Aug 2021 17:04:19 EST LKzeRb2X No.408659 Reply
>>408656
I got the same change in how I experienced attraction but I will say if you also take a testosterone blocker the lack of libido/sexual dysfunction is way more pronounced at first, I only experienced spontaneous arousal a few times a month and even then I rarely had the urge/ability to act on it, it goes back to normal after a while though and at this point I'm back up to having sex/masturbating like every other day or so with no problem, and in addition to it being infinitely more emotionally fulfilling (part of that is my only experience cumming as a dude was from masturbating since I never felt comfortable hooking up with guys before) it feels a lot better it's much more of a whole body experience, just having my shoulders rubbed or making out feels almost as good as orgasming did before HRT, climaxing is way more intense, and I can do it multiple times in a row, although with significant diminishing returns, and bizarrely most of the time absolutely nothing comes out even the first time, my dick usually stays bone dry save for a steady stream of pre if I'm getting really into it, which come to think of it that's happening more often now so maybe that's also a residual effect of the blocker

can't wait to get it lopped off though
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Basil Messlelock - Tue, 24 Aug 2021 17:11:08 EST LKzeRb2X No.408660 Reply
>>408659
Also to the end of OP's post, that was my exact thought process going in, that if every day is agony and I've already tried to kill myself once after years of basically suicidal drug abuse, I might as well try this and off myself if it doesn't work out, and at this point every day is better than the last, from the very first shot I took I started to feel better and any semblance of doubt was completely eliminated by the first year or so on HRT, and when I started to actually be perceived as and treated like a woman I started to be excited to live my life for the first time, all of us sudden it seemed like a project or a work of art that I was doing from the inside out, I started to feel as though I was truly a part of the universe or the All in All, engaged in this radical act of self-creation bending nature itself to my will, and I thank God every day that I made the choice I did
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Doris Tillingspear - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 18:23:13 EST KbUlGEbw No.408663 Reply
I wouldn't say your sexual desire necessarily changes, like others said, just feels less urgent maybe? I know plenty of mad horny mtf though. On HRT. Biggest piece of advice I could offer is to just do it. HRT and all the changes that do or could come with it sounds scary, but when you're actually going through it things will feel natural and just "make sense", not be distressing the way you're looking at them now, even if you do end up having no real libido and shit. I will say, as someone who has been on HRT for a long time and post-op for a while and takes time to get going when masturbating that when it finally happens it is so intense that there have been times where I've been unable to stop laughing or smiling and panting.

>>408660
Damn that is kind of beautiful. Good for you.

Old Channers

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- Thu, 07 May 2020 11:26:27 EST TxseZUUF No.407294
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Hey is there still anyone here form the good old days? 08-09 genderhack and shit?
Just wondering if anybody stuck around here that long.
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Simon Mogglehood - Fri, 03 Sep 2021 02:25:50 EST 9/KKA0QR No.408670 Reply
>>407294
I recently came back to check out what's been happening since I transitioned.
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Ian Drottingforth - Tue, 14 Sep 2021 21:32:11 EST XVT+59T/ No.408693 Reply
>>407294
Nostalgia lvl over 9k. I was here around 2008-2012 when I started smoking w33d. Still do lol. I repressed my transness for another 10 years. Been on HRT for 2 years now. Some of you might remember me posting pics of crustpunk girls. Darktrap, traintrap etc I remember them. Also whoever did the DIY orchie holy shit.. Greets from Scandinavia
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Phyllis Fanshaw - Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:58:03 EST O9Xw0SKE No.408754 Reply
>>407294
yes. i stopped posting but this board helped me realize i was trans back in 07/08.

Gender Identity and the Gender Spectrum

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- Sun, 19 Sep 2021 03:07:19 EST Oc36Wdvo No.408697
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I've been doing some thinking about how people ignorantly say that there are X amount of genders yet it seems like every sort of gender identity still falls within a spectrum ranging between two genders with a few exceptions.

How many different gender identities are there really that are outside of the masculine/feminine spectrum other than those who identify as agender?

It seems like most identities are either solid in being either male, female, or non-binary which in itself seems to fall into identifies that could mean both male and female, sliding between male and female, or male or female and agendered. Agendered seems to be one of the only gender identities that lay outside of the binary spectrum.

So what the hell are these 72 genders that I keep hearing people talk about?
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Basil Nackleworth - Sun, 19 Sep 2021 09:19:26 EST nXZKMrAg No.408699 Reply
>>408698
Who cares? Nobody's shouting about otherkin in 2021 beyond cringey Kiwifarms 4channer types who are far worse off mentally than any otherkin I've ever met in the first place.
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Nicholas Bollertidge - Sun, 19 Sep 2021 14:32:15 EST yOHrQ5T7 No.408700 Reply
I don't know. I assume multiple? A friend of mine who is basically family uses "it" pronouns (privately, has those socially acceptable binary pronouns for company) and its gender does indeed seem like "small woodland creature, a squirrel perhaps." I mean, it's not literal otherkin, lol. But I would be willing to believe there are ways of gender-doing other than being agender that can be named and identified as, cause...there's a lot of kinds of people on this planet.

anyway TL;DR I'll call you what you want and I'm curious about your gender. There's probably a lot of them so go for it.
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Lillian Cluffingwater - Sun, 19 Sep 2021 15:55:10 EST HfZ9O5MN No.408701 Reply
>>408699
True that.
I'm still not cool with its pronouns and neopronouns though. The former still comes off as objectively dehumanizing/objectifying in a way that's too uncomfortable (especially when past memories of transphobic people calling trans people "it" comes to mind. I don't even like referring to most animals as "it") and neopronouns are just too unnatural in conversation and frankly I don't like them and I'm never going to use/learn them. Maybe if everyone agreed with one as a singular alternative to they/them, but we all know that's not going to happen any time soon.

stupid board name

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- Wed, 10 Mar 2021 21:41:20 EST ThRudW5M No.408093
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why the fuck is this board called /cd/ and not /trans/ or something
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Jarvis Shittingman - Thu, 23 Sep 2021 03:03:02 EST bPUmnyew No.408721 Reply
Please disregard my posts I snorted ketamine and tried to post on my phone. I’m an idiot lol

dysphagia from external sources

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- Fri, 29 Jan 2021 14:47:37 EST bi1mZI2k No.407874
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I get misgendered a lot more than I'm comfortable with as a cis guy. When I'm on the phone people think I'm a girl. I've had a guy want to see my nudes after I left a work voice mail. One of my co-workers at an old job thought I was a new girl coworker because of my ass. I got teased by my friends for having bitch tits in middle and high school. It fucks with me because my mom wanted a girl, but I present and identify as male. It makes me dissociate some times and I get terrified like there's something else hijacking my mind.

It's gotten to the point I think I should transition just to make it stop. I don't really know where else to take this.
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Beatrice Sessleforth - Tue, 02 Feb 2021 02:17:03 EST bi1mZI2k No.407923 Reply
>>407918
It's nice to get lived experience opinions on this kind of thing before going to a pro. Now I know what to ask about and what to go over.

All of you have been wonderfully helpful. Thank you.

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