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Why do so many mtfs make transition their entire personality?

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- Thu, 21 Oct 2021 04:57:37 EST 29NfXKxt No.408800
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I find it so fucking hard to befriend anyone in the mtf community because most of the trans girls just seem unable to talk about anything else than transition. I've had to cut ties with people because they couldn't go on a fucking hours without some random complains about eyebrow styling or their surgery wishlist.

I'm starting to think this is actually the main reason why everybody who is past a few years of hrt drops out of the community. All this transition talk seems just too fucking mundane past a certain point.
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Esther Croddlemare - Mon, 25 Oct 2021 01:18:22 EST pmpybJUn No.408806 Reply
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communities are imo not really "real", like yeah there are other tgirls On The Internet and in the beforetimes I suppose there might have been in the irl spaces I hung out in, but I don't think sharing a kind of demographic trait with someone makes you predisposed to being friends with them. I'm friends with people who are chill and nice to me, that's literally it; I've proportionally known a lot of tgirls in my life just because of how people kind of get railroaded into insular spaces but they don't even make up the majority of my friends these days.

I think the kind of enthusiasm about being tramsgender you're describing seems especially prevalent in people who are in their first year or so of transition. and like, it makes sense, I'm not mad about it per se, it can be really meaningful to people to find things out about themselves and find out that there are other people who have had somewhat similar experiences, but I also don't seek people like that out as friends, cuz yeah, like, at this point in my life it's not super interesting for me to talk about or hear about anymore. it's easy to feel like an oldfag around baby tgirls (and this maybe goes for a lot of queer spaces in general that are so youth-focused) even if you're still really young (e.g., late 20s early 30s is still super young, even if a lot of (social) media focus is on ppl in their late teens/early 20s.

anyways, best of luck making friends with people who mesh well with you! my advice is to not artificially limit yourself, there are a lot of really chill ppl in the world; even if you mainly want to hang out with other tgirls for whatever reason (safety, baseline level of understanding), there are sooo many people out there, don't get discouraged!
Oliver Sommerfirk - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 02:20:57 EST EzmRSNVd No.408819 Reply
Trans people can't really talk about trans stuff to cis people, and chances are if two trans people meet it's from a trans space meaning they aren't necessarily likely to have a lot in common other than being trans.
I don't talk about trans stuff to cis people and while I'm past the point most people are "done" transitioning I still need "the community" and while I'm there I want to talk about trans stuff. What exactly do you want? It's like being in the naacp and complaining all everyone wants to talk about its being black
Violet Lavender - Sat, 06 Nov 2021 00:55:40 EST Y87cq6dd No.408845 Reply
>I find it so fucking hard to befriend anyone in the mtf community because most of the trans girls just seem unable to talk about anything else than transition. I've had to cut ties with people because they couldn't go on a fucking hours without some random complains about eyebrow styling or their surgery wishlist.
Literally my ex talking about me.
It's hard early in transition, okay? I want to pass but I just don't and my trans friends are some of the few people I can safely talk about these things to.

Imagine A World

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- Mon, 06 Sep 2021 01:16:09 EST Oc36Wdvo No.408684
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Imagine if you will a world where gender roles ceased to exist. A world where men and women are free to not feel ashamed for liking traditionally masculine or feminine past times. Now imagine that same world but with a lack of gender expression which would surely be the second thing to go after gender roles. Imagine this world where biological sex has been completely separated from the notions of gender and has more or less become irrelevant. Those who were born with XX chromosomes are now infertile leading to new ways to procreate using that of technology and scientific engineering.

However, there is one catch to all of this, despite the absence of gender roles, gender expression, and an ignored biology, gender identity remains a thing. These people can and will still identify as either 'male,' 'female,' or 'non-binary.' What would that look like if gender identity remains a prominent thing while other things such as biological sex, gender expression, and gender roles are extinct?
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Fuck Drishwure - Fri, 19 Nov 2021 00:10:34 EST I3/1BG4/ No.408877 Reply
Good trick question.
Gender is a deeply subjective and human experience/construct. We can use gender as an analytical framing (lens) through which to analyze social norms, economic and political inequalities, fashion, literature, personal experiences, psychological phenomena, etc. Ditto sex. But there is no one essential thing that gender is. If we remove each context (expression, biology, roles, even language) to which we can apply the analytical frame of gender, the frame becomes useless and is discarded, or shifts to be adapted to other contexts. If there were no gender, then there would be no gender. Many trans people use dysphoria or euphoria as evidence for their identity, or motivation for transition. However, with no gendered aspects of my body, name, or social treatment to be dysphoric about, I doubt I'd develop any gender identity. In this society, how is gender identity still a prominent thing? What does "gender" even mean to these theoretical people? Keeping in mind that gender has varied between societies, cultures, and time periods, we can reason that gender is a socio/cultural/linguistic construct. There is no essential truth to gender outside of what makes it up just as there is no atom in a chair that makes it a chair. No one aspect of gender (presentation or biology, for example) defines gender (AFAB femboys/twinks exist and are valid). Yet if we remove every atom from the chair, it is meaningless to ask about the chair, for there is none left.
Frederick Fammerlock - Sun, 21 Nov 2021 05:57:18 EST yOHrQ5T7 No.408880 Reply
I'm guessing that in the absence of any of the axes you mentioned (presentation, phys/anatomy, roles) meaning anything, there would not be gender, because most people seem to derive their gender identity from some combination of things related to those, weighted differently for each person and the culture they exist under.

But I don't think you could get to a system where you divorce human bods and behavior and interests and stuff from gender. Humans really, really like to categorize, and if there's any diversity at all we're just...gonna do it. When I read your scenario, it sounds like one in which people would just be nicer about it and have more choices and ability to opt out/in. We're sort of already redefining aspects of femininity, masculinity, femaleness, maleness, etc, and people still come to an understanding of fitting into a certain gender category (or being in without fitting in) regardless. So like, now but more so? I think trans/NB people would be considerably happier. I know I would have been.

In the world you describe, or close to it, I would likely dress and act close to the way I currently do, and would still have needed to remove tits, take hormones, etc, and I assume I would be bummed out about my inability to have bb.

Probably gibberish but w/e
Simon Nivingmirk - Wed, 24 Nov 2021 22:59:05 EST ckZgCNHw No.408884 Reply
yeah i mean obviously my perspective is inherently biased as someone who tends to be very comfortable falling in line with one set of gender expectations but i feel like a binary or i guess bimodal to be more precise with a certain amount of people who lie outside of it will always exist in most human cultures, i don't think total gender abolition is possible, i think the existence of gender in some form or another is actually an essential part of the human condition, it's just that how gender is experienced varies wildly from culture to culture across time and space, and of course there will always be people who lie outside of it or don't feel like they're on it, and more cultures than not tend to have a significant and often revered place in their society for such people, but it is quite a different thing than those of us who just switch teams, even though in such cultures filling one of those social roles might have been better than nothing for us it's a completely different phenomena, so for instance i think there have always been both hijra and trans women in India, although the latter wasn't really wasn't much of a concept there until relatively recently (compared to a cultural institution dating back millennia like the former)

it's murky though obviously, since the actual physiological mechanisms that make trans and gender non-conforming people behave the ways that they do are wildly complex and likely can never be totally understood, and people learn more about themselves through out their entire life, for a while I thought genuinely I was just a gay man and my inclination towards expressing femininity was more of a desire for a particular role with-in that community, but I soon realized after pursuing this that it was much more far reaching, but because i had quite a bit of internalized transphobia and assumed i would make for a hideous woman who'd never pass, and that that would be a fate worse than death, i thought i must be some sort of non-binary person, but quickly into exploring this with a therapist i came to the conclusion i had to make the lifestyle choice that i did and things went incredibly well, far better than i could have possibly imagined, and any shred of doubt i had was completely eliminated when i started to be very close to stealth in an area that leans liberal anyway, i haven't been unintentionally misgendered for quite some time now, and every single time someone addresses me as miss or sweety or a guy flirts with me or holds the door for me or another woman confides with me it's affirmed constantly in a loop, and i feel more and more at home in the role and increasingly happier with my decision, i admit that at this point i do take it as pretty much an a priori truth that i am a trans woman and that that is a type of woman and no one one on earth will convince me otherwise, even though i freely admit that i could be completely wrong and this tradition of gender transition won't end up taking off, i'm not wrong, but i admit that i could be

ANyway despite there being many exceptions, i think that roughly speaking when we look at the historical facts 3 general categories or tendencies emerge one towards what we consider masculinity, one towards femininity, and one that tends towards both or neither, and this has been and by all available evidence will remain a constant, there are cultures that have as many as 5 or more distinct gender roles but in the scheme of things those are pretty rare and in all honesty difficult to wrap my head around, and looking at it in a crude way, you can usually explain these instances in terms of our own understanding of gender, since they seem to approximate maybe two kinds of man and two kinds of woman and perhaps additionally a role for those we'd consider right in the middle of our gender binary

not to mention the fact that even comparing cultures with the familiar strong gender binary, their understandings of masculinity and femininity can be quite disparate and sometimes even opposites, it's pretty well known that certain traits many east Asian cultures consider explicitly masculine aren't considered as such here in the West and might even be thought of as timid or weak, in other words, in a society that is structurally misogynist, feminine

but i still agree with what people saying that it's becoming much less rigid, and i still think like i said earlier in t…
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I've started to transition, a few months in.

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- Tue, 05 Oct 2021 06:58:24 EST 7tdSg2Pp No.408780
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Hi all. I've started to transition and I've seen a lot of great results, but I also have this horrible, dreadful fear that I will end up something like pic related. When I look at myself, I see myself as something in between. How can I... "let go" of the outcome and just live? There's something not quite right about this person and you will have me on my knees praying to GOD that this isn't me, won't be me.

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Violet Lavender - Sat, 06 Nov 2021 00:52:49 EST I3/1BG4/ No.408844 Reply
Anyone who looks like that probably also looked weird pre-transition. It's just the smile and wrinkles. The femininity, such as the dress and hair isn't unpleasant, and doesn't really make her look any worse. I've seen this image before so don't give this meme too much ccirclejerk.
Alice Guttingstat - Sat, 27 Nov 2021 13:51:15 EST JABbF6gW No.408888 Reply
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Don't be a hon like her. Be a hun and they'll all be too scared to see you as a stereotype.


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- Wed, 24 Nov 2021 02:00:31 EST ph0s9IMw No.408882
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First and foremost I want to just say how much I hate being trans.

But my issue no guy ever wants to be seen in public with me. No guy ever wants to date or ever even think of potentially falling in love with me. They all have just used and thrown me away. Fuck me then ghost me. Is that all I will ever be? Just a sex toy for all these fetishists?

The whole situation makes me very lonely. I tried talking about this online and when people see what I look like I get the response of "Yeah, I would do the same". It hurts so much to be treated like this. I just don't want to be lonely anymore so I still have sex with these guys obvs.

I'll never pass or be cute enough or pretty enough for people to want to be around me. What can someone like me do?
Sophie Febberstock - Sun, 28 Nov 2021 07:34:20 EST pmpybJUn No.408892 Reply
t4t babeyyyyyy

OP how are you meeting guys? if you're using a hookup app like grindr or whatever, then yeah, you're gonna get guys who just want to fuck you and then never see you again, it was like that before I transitioned and it'd be like that now. imo the friend -> relationship path is a little less of a constant barrage of emotional damage, even as it might be a little harder to put yourself out there that much. hang in there though, it sucks getting treated like shit by randos but it's no reflection on your desirability.

Im stupid =/

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- Sun, 07 Nov 2021 20:46:29 EST wdujNtlM No.408852
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How do i know if im a tranny? I mean, im not but... its weird
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J - Mon, 08 Nov 2021 15:12:31 EST 05ezfmqv No.408863 Reply
So sorry for being sad and pathetic last night im actually not trans at all. Im ok now. Im in q clear state of mind im not trans dw
J - Mon, 08 Nov 2021 19:28:52 EST wdujNtlM No.408864 Reply
Why dosnt anyone care about me =<

If i wasnt such a pathetic faggot people would care...
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Fuck Cacklebury - Sat, 13 Nov 2021 02:32:29 EST Y87cq6dd No.408865 Reply
Are you sure no one cares about you? Chill on the negative self-talk. Try meeting other LGBT people, it might help.

What does it feel to be transgender?

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- Tue, 23 Nov 2021 22:04:23 EST KEQUFMxF No.408881
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Or how can i know if i am?
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Matilda Disslepot - Tue, 07 Dec 2021 23:27:56 EST wKlEMEjG No.408919 Reply
> I've also heard that it's not gonna be as deep as a cis pussy
Thats some logical, remember reading about this when i was looking for srs info,also it wouldnt be so sensitive.
In some way i think having sex with a neovagina would have more psichological weight than physical pleasure

> I don't as much get random boners when I'm not in sexual situations anymore
There are things that maybe sound contradictory, i´ve had feelings of wanting to be a girl, but at the same time im not sure if i would get rid of my penis, i like the feeling of cumming when masturbating but there was a time i hated to have boners, it gets me hard when fantasizing of having sex as a trans girl but i imagine myself without a boner, i mean it gets me hard thinking i couldnt get hard, its confusing ._.

Tried to talk to different trans girls in other forums (GID and trans), but i found it too difficult because most of them feel offended or think you´re trying to have sex with them only for trying to talk about sexuallity
I think this board is one of the few places where you can express yourself a bit more

>....it's kind of a main purpose. If it wasn't they'd just nullo or zero depth everybody.
Well, i suppose that its not the same masturbating with a dildo or your fingers than havin sex with anyone, is not the same speed or rythm, maybe there is more risk of getting hurt than having anal sex by example
Lillian Hushchedging - Wed, 08 Dec 2021 00:03:43 EST Wnp6I+2H No.408920 Reply
I'm sure it is different than using a dildo - for one thing you're not controlling it yourself. I don't see what exactly would make a neovagina cause you to have a higher risk of getting hurt. It's not like the anus was evolved for fucking.


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- Tue, 27 Apr 2021 21:56:37 EST qWEqRkll No.408261
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I think sometimes it's advantageous to keep the man voice for special occasions.

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Betsy Tootstone - Tue, 15 Jun 2021 18:33:32 EST yOHrQ5T7 No.408477 Reply
Also, yes, therapy can be trash. The first one I ever had, and the one who ended up writing my transition letters, not only was fairly useless at making me a healthier person (in any other respect than greenlighting my transition) but also did some weird trans-related sexual assault shit. It was easier to medically abuse us back then because getting transition letters was hard, so she knew she had me over a barrel, and nobody cared about us even a little bit. And also she was a woman, I guess.
Eliza Bardstone - Fri, 10 Dec 2021 07:59:25 EST qWEqRkll No.408927 Reply
Why would you think that? I like Jordan, been a fan of her since before she was a her, and I like the way she BTFO assholes on her Twitch stream. Where did I give any indication I was being insincere?
You need to relax, the normies have got you so spooked you're seeing enmity where there isn't any.

AMAB Non-Binary, considering HRT

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- Mon, 13 Dec 2021 14:50:18 EST k0TxNj9b No.408934
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As the title states I am AMAB Non-Binary considering beginning HRT for the purposes of gaining/maintaining an androgynous appearance.

I am wondering if anyone may who has or knows someone who has gone through something similar what their experiences taking Estradiol and Spironolactone were.
Henry Braffinghitch - Mon, 13 Dec 2021 19:11:55 EST pmpybJUn No.408936 Reply
If you're in the US then spiro is probably going to be your main option for an antiandrogen if you want to get a prescription. Personally I'm on it and it's fine, but it doesn't come without issues as >>408935 alludes to. It's dehydrating, so you'll piss a lot more and need to make sure and drink water and maintain a good intake of salt, it might make you a bit more lethargic, though personally adding progesterone helped counteract that, but ppl's progesterone experiences seem super varied. If you're in europe/elsewhere then you can probably get cypro, though that has the thing where it seems to produce some (possibly benign?) brain lesions which is scary to me so I haven't tried to grey market it. Some people are like "oh if you take enough estrogen you don't need an anti-androgen", so if you want to try that, you can, but you'll need to take more than an endo is likely to prescribe unless you get one that's super chill or grey-market it, in which case you can do whatever you want. I don't know if there's any merit to the e-only path, I don't think there have been a lot of studies done on it, but at least anecdotally it's been posited as a possibility.

Whatever combination of meds you take, you will def get some androgynous effects, though things might take some months/up to a year to redistribute. You should pay attention to your body, figure out what effects are important/desired for you and see how those play out. I'm AMAB NB as well and I really can't complain, I'm way hotter than I was on T and nicely androgynous, I have an ass now which is cool, I deal with the side effects like anyone, it's quite manageable for me. Best of luck finding out what works for you! ^.^
Sidney Blackwater - Tue, 14 Dec 2021 00:51:07 EST D7X3UUxR No.408938 Reply
I think you don't necessarily need it especially if your testosterone levels are naturally on the lower side, and if you start with it once after your t level is down to average for a female a lot of time's they'll either lower your dose or take you off of it entirely, because iirc once your level is down estrogen therapy alone can keep it reasonably low in a lot of cases

i think also in most if not all cases you stop needing a testosterone blocker when you no longer have any testes

i've also heard and experienced anecdotally spironolactone helps specifically with certain things like acne, making your skin softer and less greasy, thinning body hair, etc. even reversing androgenic alopecia in some cases which it did for me really really well personally, i had it pretty minor and it's gone plus my entire head of hair is thicker thicker all around and my hairline went down a bit, but it's still unknown why some people have results like this and others don't, and in a lot of best practice guidelines it will specifically say it's something that doesn't happen, i think it's specifically an effect of estrogen and spironolactone in combination, I'm not sure if it would've happened had I just done E alone and i unfortunately can't go back and transition again to find out so anyone with experience there might have more to add

honestly with how well it helped with that and how it almost completely disappeared all of the acne on my face and body makes me wary to stop it even after orchi/SRS, but I mean I have to it in combination with the other meds I'm on isn't a long-term option, I can't be on the cocktail of prescription drugs I'm on now my entire life and if there really isn't a risk and I'm just being paranoid that's obviously the thing to do, I can easily imagine another few years on spiro, but the side-effects that can happen with long-term use like weight gain around the abdomen and the impact it can have on your kidneys and cardiovascular system
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