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Synthesis of ghb (free acid) from gbl by Matilda Chommlekog - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:06:27 EST ID:1reNg8pO No.78749 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey/chem/
I recently came across some lab grade gbl (gammy-butyrolactone) which is the precursor to GHB. I've got a few questions because I've never find GH and I'm having a hard time finding some info from chemists who know what they're doing.

Firstly, I wanted to make GH in its free acid firm, rather than the common sodium butyrate salt. What I want to know are whether its fine to take it in free acid form. I think the pka is about 4, so it shouldn't be too sour if diluted in water, but taking it in free acid produces the same effects right? I assume that taking the sodium salt would Judy result in it finding in the acidity of the stomach anyways, I just would prefer to not have to eat a bunch of salt on the side.
Also, did I do something wrong in my procedure?

I started with about 10g gbl weighed analytically, and calculated the moles for sodium hydroxide which was between 6-7g, but I put in some excess to try to push the reaction forward.
I then added a bit of water, roughly 20mL in a round bottom flask, added the hydroxide and then the gbl. After a few minutes, I capped the flask and put it in an oil baths at 70 celcius.
After 2-3 hours, I added a bit of hydroxide to make sure the reaction was basic and he GH would be in its salt form, then I washed the solution with ether 3x to get rid of any remaining unreacted gbl. I took the aqueous layer and added HCl from a 1M solution until the pH was about 2-3, low enough for the gh to be in its acid form. I think the problem is here, because I couldn't find concentrated acid so I ended up adding a lot of water on the side..
Then my last step was to extract the ghb from the autos later with ether. I did this about 3x, combined the etherI'm layers, and evaporated off the ether. I was left with 2g when theoretical yield should have been about 12g.

Do you think that because I ended up using so much water, my remaining gh is in the aqueous solution? I know theree acid is readily soluble in both water and ether, so I'm wondering if this is my problem.

Also, how can I test the solution to show I have ghb with no gbl? I don't want to use the NMR spectrometer just in case somebody ends up seeing the spectrum and askin…
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Matilda Chommlekog - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:10:40 EST ID:1reNg8pO No.78750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sorry about all the spelling/grammar errors, I wrote this on the bus on my phone and it autocorrected way too much.
I meant to write the sodium salt just converts into the free acid in the stomach, so taking the free acid should produce the same effects as taking the salt right?
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Lydia Clannerfeck - Thu, 20 Jul 2017 17:47:14 EST ID:UoTssc8h No.78751 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ayy so GBL is a prodrug to GHB. You could just eat the GBL.

Keep extracting the aqueous layer. There's probably more in there. Also try adding some salt (NaCl) to the water to lower the solubility of the GHB in it.

You can tell if there's any GHL in it by taste. GHL supposedly tastes awful whereas GHB is tasteless.
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press !XIxc6BpKnU - Sat, 22 Jul 2017 18:28:22 EST ID:PJ0/E4z+ No.78753 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78751
ghb has a distinct taste too, it just isnt as fucking horrible as gbl
somewhere between gasoline, coconut and soap
OP have you considered to simply mix the gbl with a sodium carbonate solution to get a ready to use sodium ghb solution.
obviously youd have take in more volume but it always worked for, although getting too much sodium isnt too healthy and the sodium salt gave me just as much diarhea as gbl.
since the sodium salt is hygroscopic anyways youd have to hustle to keep it dry


https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/ghb.html


genetic diversity by Barnaby Pellerfore - Tue, 04 Jul 2017 23:34:57 EST ID:BSeQaa1k No.78720 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How important is genetic diversity?

My mother and father are very far removed, my father being mostly Slavic/Eastern European, and my mother being mainly Celtic. My paternal grandparents are also very distant from each other, my paternal grandmother being Russian/Belarusian, and my paternal grandfather being Ukrainian and Turkish. However, it turns out that my maternal grandparents are third or fourth cousins, so I guess there is some inbreeding there. Realistically, what are the impacts of this?
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Hugh Hillyfield - Wed, 05 Jul 2017 17:15:04 EST ID:4tmtdVyg No.78721 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You may develop a hunch back and mental retardation in the future.
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Ernest Genderworth - Thu, 06 Jul 2017 11:10:12 EST ID:BSeQaa1k No.78728 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78721
Huh, good thing I asked!
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Charlotte Bleblingstork - Fri, 14 Jul 2017 20:43:51 EST ID:eElBX8eU No.78748 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>78720
It's a mixed bag. For an individual it can be good or bad. If both your parents don't share a propensity for negative genes, then you are good. In fact if they both share good traits, it can be good. However that said the odds of negative traits are also more likely to be expressed by two relatives.
On an evolutionary/groups of people over time scale, genetic diversity is good. As soon as a group becomes genetic really uniform, then they can all be wiped out in one go by the wrong disease. If they are genetic diverse, then even a devastating disease will always leave a few people alive who can repopulate.


Opium Column Chromatography by Bombastus Werrywag - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 21:56:30 EST ID:QGxEeR56 No.78746 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Without calcium chelation, this is the best way to achieve pure morphine from a layer of puddy or otherwise concentrated poppy residue.

A mixture of 9:1:1 DCM Methanol Diethylamine will produce an elution of reticuline impurities at 0.7-0.9, codeine at 0.45, and morphine at 0.2. Other opium oils either elute at 1 and heavier, coloured oils will not elute at all (or under 0.02).

Running this column simulation once gave me morphine as light brown needles which drew in moisture and became wet after 3 hours. The second time, morphine did not completely come through as shown on TLC short wave UV light as what I expected to be high amounts of meconate salts along with insufficient methanol miscibility. This was solved by adding an additional 1 equivalent of methanol thereby moving the morphine. This gave darker brown crystals which again absorbed water after 3 hours. Full morphine elution towards 100% in a gradient column gave 2% of brown oils. This potentially allows a column to remove codeine and oils and a methanol flush to remove the morphine with a 5-10% heavy oil contamination.

Will update this thread with more conclusions and projections.
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William Checklehall - Fri, 14 Jul 2017 11:44:37 EST ID:4tmtdVyg No.78747 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Cool stuff brah. You gonna test it outside the vacuum?


Thin Layer Chromatography by Hannah Divingpit - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 12:24:25 EST ID:hzoMepax No.78695 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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gonna make some TLC plates using some glass microscope slides, wondering what the best paper to use for cellulose is? i was thinking using a thin tissue or something but it's incredibly soft and porous which makes me think that i might not get very clearly defined results. any suggestions?
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Ebenezer Brookridge - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 12:54:10 EST ID:ufRuh+sC No.78735 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78695

Would Acetone suffice in place of IPA?

Also, obviously(?) whatever you're testing would require the right kind of solvent to avoid destruction of the sample - anyone care to elaborate on this?

Very interested in TLC (and making a ghetto HPLC setup) myself
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Cedric Dreffinghall - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 13:40:54 EST ID:4tmtdVyg No.78736 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78735

Acetone can be used in tlc, but for best results, you may want to combine the acetone with chloroform at various concentrations. Acetone would behave as the polar component of your eluent while chloroform would behave as the non-polar component of your eluent.

Try 100/0 75/25 50/50 25/75 0/100

Should get a variety of results for your purposes.
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Cedric Dreffinghall - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 13:49:20 EST ID:4tmtdVyg No.78737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78735

As far as destruction of the sample, when you choose a solvent for solvating the material, it must do two things:

Dissolve the sample
Be inert to the sample

As an example, sulfuric acid will probably dissolve your sample, but will typically make a poor solvent due to the likelyhood of it protonating the shit out of your sample. A solvent like octane will make a good solvent for non-polar materials because it is straight chain hydrocarbons which are non-reactive under standard conditions. Same concept with acetone, except for polar samples.

Both octane and acetone can become reactive with the right materials under the right conditions, and that's why you need to know what your sample reacts with so you can choose a solvent that will both dissolve the sample and be inert to it.
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Ebenezer Brookridge - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 15:24:29 EST ID:ufRuh+sC No.78738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78737

Awesome info, thank you
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Bombastus Werrywag - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 17:45:21 EST ID:QGxEeR56 No.78745 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78737
You can use pure water if paper is your stationary phase.


BK-2-CB > Injectable 2-CB solution? by George - Thu, 06 Jul 2017 06:02:36 EST ID:A0Fffnyd No.78722 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Have tried this three (3) times with repeatable results:

2ml sterile water

(x) amount of Ascorbic Acid to sufficiently acidify the water (No precise measuring equipment available)

(x) amount of B-K-2-CB (As above)

Add enough Ascorbic Acid (it is believed Citric as supplied in UK would work as well) to the water to dissolve *Without Heating*

Add (x) amount of B-K to dissolve with *a very little heating* or you're going to be injecting recrystallised 2-CB - exciting as that sounds, it is fucking painful and could possibly end very quickly in sudden cardiac arrest, depending on which vein is used... *BE VERY CAUTIOUS*

Enjoy your instant stimmy effects followed by typical 2-CB effects

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William Sesslechane - Thu, 06 Jul 2017 19:42:30 EST ID:haI/LE4/ No.78730 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78729

Just a quick reply for now, I do believe the B-K commonly supplied is a base, hence the shitty reaction with water, also the long reaction time when taken orally

So I theorised that adding it to *acidified* water would return it to salt, either 2-CB or a useful form of BK

Why is it not possible to convert B-K to 2-CB?

Also not sure of the legality of B-K in Deutschland, aber Ich hab gemacht ein Besucht fur drei Gram und es kommt mit kein Problem...
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press !XIxc6BpKnU - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 03:04:15 EST ID:8p3TFTlr No.78731 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>78730
its possible to convert bk-2c-b to 2c-b, but youd need a strong reductant to reduce the ketone at the beta or rather 1-position carbon to a methylene. as youve said, adding citric acid to bk-2c-b would simply form a more water soluble salt of bk-2c-b. but not 2c-b. youd get bk-2c-b citrate
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Samuel Davingdidge - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 12:44:17 EST ID:UoTssc8h No.78733 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The standard procedure for reducing ketones to alkanes in one step is the wolff-kishner reduction, which requires complexation of the ketone with hydrazine (used in rocket fuel) and heating the mixture to 200 C for a few days to a week. ascorbic acid is a MILD reducing agent, and there is pretty much zero chance of this method producing even fractions of a percent of yield of 2CB from bk-2CB. The placebo effect is a much better reducing agent, but still not as good as hydrazine.
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Hannah Susslebury - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 16:36:34 EST ID:rANt8sEP No.78734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Awesome guys, thanks for all the info... Back to the drawing board then, or a very expensive lab...
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Bombastus Werrywag - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 17:43:46 EST ID:QGxEeR56 No.78744 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>78731
>>78733
You don't need need Hydrazine. LiAH could work because of the conjugation from the pi ring. If LiAH does work, then you can just do it using the pop bottle test and overkill it with LiAH. No water allowed, of course.

A simpler, cheaper, but much harder method is clemmenson that is an in-situ reducing agent (hydrogen gas) by mixing a zinc or mercury amalgum and with HCl or HBr

>>78729
keine chemische ist legal im deutschland... danke, praesident der E-U.

From what my basic knowledge of receptors tells me (from around one and a half pharmaceutical chemistry courses i took a while ago) is that that ketonic group would be much less active than 2c-b for dopamine / serotonin effects. it could possibly give you the side effects of the compund but none of the mental, spiritual, or stimulating properties.


Tree growing by Ian Blackfuck - Sun, 18 Jun 2017 11:26:00 EST ID:ZPX2kpEE No.78694 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I just read on circlejerk that some trees can reach 100ft to 300ft in a matter of a few years, if this is true why dont we just farm trees instead of cutting down rain forests?

I mean it seems possible, you might have to stick to certain types of wood but still, on top of that you could plant a shit load more trees to help with climate change.

I'm no expert though, just some thoughts.
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Bombastus Werrywag - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 02:07:23 EST ID:rgvwrhr5 No.78712 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78711
I SAID THAT IN THE FIRST POST IN RESPONSE TO OP
R-
i can't ree because i'm on benzos. but i would be if i were sober
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Schepperschop - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 11:30:15 EST ID:/7OpX4eB No.78714 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78694
I would like to see some drug bushes/trees grow up.
Uhh...
As well as dancing with ash from HAWP.
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Fanny Copperfine - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 09:44:49 EST ID:8iVeZnxF No.78732 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, the faster a tree grows, the shitter the wood is. Slow growing trees are denser and therefore better building materials.

Usually.
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Shitting Bidgeworth - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 16:14:35 EST ID:sfPab9zv No.78739 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78732
>faster... shittier...

Hemp called and it told me to tell you to fuck off.
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Bombastus Werrywag - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 17:33:42 EST ID:QGxEeR56 No.78743 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78739
Hemp is not a tree.

He is right, otherwise and as a general rule of thumb.


Myers-Briggs Type Indicator For Employment by Shitting Bidgeworth - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 16:26:40 EST ID:sfPab9zv No.78742 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Does anyone know if Exxon still does Myers-Briggs?


Please help.


Extract Heroin from Garlic Paste by Toum - Mon, 01 May 2017 08:23:55 EST ID:GJqJPZ5S No.78644 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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This is urgent as my life literally depends on it. My suppliers showed up with what was seemingly my regular kg pickup but actually was 10kg of garlic paste with the heroin suspended within it somehow. Am told that I have to extract the materials from the paste for them or I will exist no more.

Will a simple Acid Base extraction do the trick IE:

Mix Paste into Water + Lye Solution and Agitate for hour

Add solvent of choice (Cold Distilled Water + Methanol Mixture?)

Let contents settle

Siphon Solvent and Evaporate to retrieve powder

Purify powder using known methods via HCL / Diethyl Ether

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Polly Nallystone - Mon, 22 May 2017 18:40:32 EST ID:+YUSEic8 No.78660 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Seriously who hides heroin in garlic paste?
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Cyril Hasslespear - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 08:46:34 EST ID:BIUvdYqW No.78716 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78644
bro, no one is gonna send valuable tar in garlic powder, I hope you die for being tar dealer
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George Depperfit - Sat, 01 Jul 2017 11:12:11 EST ID:4tmtdVyg No.78717 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Holy lol,

I wouldn't try acid base, I'd start with an aromatic solvent like xylene. Diamorphine is highly aromatic and you're more likely to get a hit on a non polar aromatic solvent. Plus acid base is typically used to free chemicals from plant matter. Since garlic doesn't naturally contain morphine, or any forms of it, I would think that the morphine is mixed in rather than bonded with the garlic in any way.

I would try soaking the material in xylene for an hour, placing the mixture in a cheese cloth, and squeezing the liquid into a separate container, preferably glass since some plastics are soluble in aromatic/non-polar solvents. Then chill the strained liquid in a freezer and scrape up the solids that come out. Use the liquid left over to soak the garlic again for a second and third extraction.

More than likely, the solids that appear after freezing will be dirty with garlic compounds as well, but it's the first step in the right direction. after that, just purify it.
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George Depperfit - Sat, 01 Jul 2017 11:20:59 EST ID:4tmtdVyg No.78718 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh wow, this thread is old as fuck

OP, you dead?
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Shitting Bidgeworth - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 16:20:04 EST ID:sfPab9zv No.78740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
under pressure ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪


Candyflip creation by Alice Fezzlefoot - Sun, 28 May 2017 22:51:16 EST ID:eE+IWTWR No.78666 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm looking to start small-scale creation of mdma and lsd. I've got next to no chem. knowledge, and no lab setup yet.

Got any recommendations for reading? Uncle fester and schulgin are the only ones i know of and both are above my pay grade.
What glassware is required? Recommended?
Any recommended materials sources?

Thanks
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Betsy Dapperwater - Mon, 12 Jun 2017 18:59:32 EST ID:4tmtdVyg No.78681 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78678

>70% water

70% acetone. Don't know where my brain was, sometimes it quantum tunnels out of my head.
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Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:20:39 EST ID:Pues0B4h No.78685 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78681
You must have a very small brain, then

No but i really do appreciate you using the other thread as meta-humour against yourself. Good job, Dapperwater.
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Nicholas Clungerlotch - Wed, 14 Jun 2017 19:27:57 EST ID:4tmtdVyg No.78687 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78685

gratias tibi amicus
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Nicholas Dunningbut - Wed, 14 Jun 2017 19:48:05 EST ID:ZYvGRZ+j No.78688 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78666
good luck son, md synth is kinda basic but lsd is high grade, due to chem knowledge, lab materials and complex lab ways
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Nigel Cobbledale - Thu, 29 Jun 2017 19:43:39 EST ID:bcC1iqtM No.78715 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>I'm looking to create lsd
>no chem. knowledge
>no lab

lol ok. im building a space shuttle, dont got any tools tho


ALIENS! by HELP - Tue, 13 Jun 2017 06:18:18 EST ID:aZjxDii8 No.78682 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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in businesses there's a book that has a phone number for a place you call in case of extra terrestrials, what's their number?
someone should call them and let them know that you've found an alien who's claiming key word: Jesus Christ!
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Alice Clommerhall - Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:31:50 EST ID:4tmtdVyg No.78683 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Get out retard
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Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:34:39 EST ID:/YEP+Iv0 No.78698 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78682
I love this info-graphic.
>cadmium, arsenic
i'll give you that one
>ammonia, toluene, methanol, acetic acid, hexamine
most combustion products and starters produce or contain these. combustion makes them different
>methane, carbon monoxide, butane
no fucking shit
>nicotine
NO FUCKING SHIT
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press - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 17:00:18 EST ID:aryEr6jM No.78699 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78698
you forgot paint. the most dreaded pokemon of them all.
nb
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Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 13:02:47 EST ID:E1Us5n5n No.78706 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78699
POKEMON
POKEMON MASTER
POKEMON ARE THE CHAMPIONS
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Bombastus Werrywag - Wed, 28 Jun 2017 02:08:03 EST ID:0tetFdrb No.78713 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78709
y u ruin our perfectly good thread?


howthefuck by Hedda Tootford - Mon, 19 Jun 2017 21:16:38 EST ID:UoTssc8h No.78700 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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ergine from morning glory seeds
xylene from paint thinner (in place of toluene)
diethylamine from the hydrolysis of DEET
hydroxylamine sulfate from photography supply
By your powers combined, DIY-LSD!

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/anie.201107348/abstract


Work thoughts by Hugh Bangersotch - Sun, 21 May 2017 07:51:22 EST ID:ZPX2kpEE No.78655 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Does anyone else think of dumb shit while they're at work? Yesterday I was thinking about bubble theory, what if this entire universe repeats itself exactly when it ends.

So everything happens again and again in one big circle, like how your pulse keep pulsing and your lungs keep breathing, what if the solar system is an element like those in the periodic table, I mean if you look at one then you see the electrons orbiting around a neutron or something right?

I realise all this is very retarded but this kind of thinking does help the hours go by.
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Betsy Dapperwater - Mon, 12 Jun 2017 18:56:07 EST ID:4tmtdVyg No.78680 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>78679

>which states that electrons form clouds

I always thought that the 'cloud' was a conceptual method to help us visualize what is happening at the subatomic level, as in the cloud is the average position of the electron while the electron is still a minuscule fraction of the cloud as a whole.

Does the electron take up the entire space of the cloud? Or is located at a single point in the cloud which we average to be spatially accurate? Or is it both? Or is it neither? Am I here now or am I an average of my current position? Am I real?
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Ernest Bubberbanks - Wed, 14 Jun 2017 00:00:06 EST ID:GaLvZHtU No.78684 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78680
Read the other anon's post. The cloud isn't a "cloud", it's a probability field where the electrons are about 90% of the time.
When you get down to such small particles they don't behave like matter, so it's hard to visualize. Basically these electrons pop in and out of existence and preferably along this cloud, albeit sometimes outside.
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Martin Garryhuck - Sat, 17 Jun 2017 12:42:54 EST ID:rFcppG1T No.78692 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78680
by cloud I mean a region where the particle is by far most likely to be. They don't look like circles was my main point as it indicated the planet-sun analogy breaks down at some point.
The answer to where the electron is depends on who you ask. The coppenhagen interpretation is that the electron only exists when you measure it. It has the potential to be in many places within the cloud, but only exists once measured. The Bohnian interpretation is that the electron is always there, but is traveling along a wave and interacting with the wave so that the probabilities of measuring it in any given place are complicated.
Both these views, and a few others, have their supporters in the physics community. I personally have problems with both. Firstly because niether of them provide new predictions, only interpretation I am not so keenly interested in them. Secondly both have issues. It is commonly accepted that though the coppenhagen interpretation provides a consistent way of understanding quantum, it isn't very satisfying physically. Generally physicists like to have a deeper set of mechanics they can understand a given system to be composed of, even if they don't need to include it in the math. Then the Bohmian interpretation, which providing such an underlying picture, is yet to explain essential qm phenomena such as entanglement.
As a result I suggest you let math lead your interpretatiom on quantum. Our desire to create mechanical pictures can be problematic in qm. It has led major qm pioneers to state qm is incomplete or broken. Yet with our weird mathematical description we understand how fundamental particles interact, how to make transitors for computers, engineer flourescent dyes which are essential to modern biology, and image things at the molecular level using spectroscopy.
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Phyllis Furringfield - Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:15:49 EST ID:bunUMqYH No.78693 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78680
electrons are a lot like cats
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Shitting Bidgeworth - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 16:23:01 EST ID:sfPab9zv No.78741 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>78655
that's not a bubble at all


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