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CWE and saturation by Cyril Cremmerwat - Wed, 18 May 2016 13:54:30 EST ID:9YAuxRQ8 No.77896 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I've been wondering about some thing regarding CWE. The main point of CWE with products containing APAP seems to be to reduce the amount of APAP in the final product since it seems to be more water soluble than I thought it was. Which means the less water you use and the colder it is, less APAP will be in the final product. Which led me to some questions:

  1. Assuming that you have a drug containing Codeine Phosphate and APAP. Could you, in theory, dissolve the pills in say 10ml of water ("One gram [of Codeine Phosphate ]dissolves in 2.3 ml water,", O'Neil M. J. (ed.), Smith A. (ed.), Heckelman P. E. (ed.)-The Merck Index_ An Encyclopedia of Chemicals, Drugs, and Biologicals (1996)) and have some kind of "super concentrated", crystal clear solute of Codeine Phosphate with a ridiculous low amount of APAP? Or would the filter clog up? Or the solution get over-saturated? Which leads me to my next question

2. Both APAP and Codeine Phosphate are soluble in water. I don't understand the mechanics of dissolution completely but would it be possible to not have any 'space' left to dissolve the Codeine Phosphate? Or does it get dissolved first because it's so much more soluble? Or does it work completely different?

Recrystallizing APAP is a bother to me so by exploiting the great solubility of Codeine Phosphate I could in theory use cold water from the fridge or something. Maybe dissolving the pills in 50ml? Even at 20C this would leave me with 639mg of APAP which is a joke. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol)
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Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Sat, 04 Jun 2016 05:07:04 EST ID:z4/bY936 No.77941 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Awful meme magic
Vehk !7HYGxe5v5c - Mon, 06 Jun 2016 17:02:17 EST ID:AEFFwJfE No.77944 Ignore Report Quick Reply

For a beginning, Central Science is good and it's what I use for foundational chemistry revision. If you want a good general book for Organic Chemistry in specific, Central Science isn't useful. I'd recommend Claydens, it's comprehensive and structured in an accessible manner.
press !QUHukXEvkY - Wed, 08 Jun 2016 16:11:39 EST ID:fcMijPsC No.77946 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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well shit. apparently my version of claydens is too big for 420chan even compressed. a tiny low res pic thats 30mb big is mighty suspicious anyways.

but it shouldnt be too hard to come by
Edward Fanningdodge - Thu, 09 Jun 2016 11:43:00 EST ID:D9t26pna No.77948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
what the fuck is wrong with you
press !QUHukXEvkY - Thu, 09 Jun 2016 13:57:30 EST ID:fcMijPsC No.77949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
why dont you try opening it in winrar?

Ant level of consciousness by Samuel Tootworth - Sun, 05 Jun 2016 20:11:52 EST ID:92gUf0sA No.77942 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What would it be like to be an ant? Would you "feel" anything? Would you be able to think? Would you know that you're an individual or would you have no free will and just be a little organic robot that does whatever the colony needs?

Theory against science: gravity by Beatrice Tillingway - Tue, 02 Feb 2016 01:26:43 EST ID:vzB5izFF No.77606 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I have a theory on what could cause gravity that may go against popular science and I was wondering what people may think about it.

Gravity is caused by the sun. It is a condensed ball of molecules that has a reaction happening that need to be fed. It does not burn like a fire because it is an intense chemical reaction, but like a fire it needs to be fed to continue "burning". It pulls matter, including planets, towards it, and as these planets are pulled towards it it is spiraled around the sun, sort of like a toilet flushing. The sun pulls these planets towards it and as they travel towards the sun in a spiral they have a gravity created on them, much like an increase of gravity when you are spun around at a high speed on a park ride or on a astronaut g-force training machine. The gravity of the earth that is created by the sun can also spiral objects towards it, which results in the moon that spirals around the earth (but will eventually will be caught in an orbit and will stay at all times in one part of the earth. Look it up). Perhaps what will happen to the moon will happen to the planets as well, who knows. But this is just a theory that came to my head and that I was wondering what other people thought about.
press !QUHukXEvkY - Tue, 02 Feb 2016 10:09:18 EST ID:IoTC8+tS No.77607 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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okay so since this doesnt seem to be a common copy pasta;

  1. there is no chemical reaction occuring in the sun or any star
>under the conditions in a star no molecule can form, for the most part the matter of a star isnt even compromised of atoms but rather of broken down atoms
2. the actual process is fusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleosynthesis, which is triggered by huge masses of gasses "gathering"
3. that gathering is actually caused by gravity
>this is a common process. for example jupiter as a gas giant couldve turned into a star if he had reached the critical mass to induce the aforementioned process
4. the sun actually expells matter because of the process
>allthough photons have no resting mass (dont quote me on that) they get expelled, same goes for hot gasses
5. the moon already is in orbit around the earth, same goes for the earths path around the sun.
>look it up
6. if your hypothesis was valid any kind of object that exerts gravity on other objects would need to perform a "chemical reaction", as you said.
>even pieces of rock drifting around in space exert gravity on other rocks

Cyril Brookstone - Fri, 06 May 2016 10:27:12 EST ID:46/eGtv8 No.77881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The increase in gravity caused by movement is in fact inertia, and aside from that, their are free agent planets that aren't orbiting any sun and indeed still have gravity.
Nb young einstein do more research before you come up with a theory.
Albert Tillinglock - Mon, 30 May 2016 08:45:50 EST ID:PYwdfvCt No.77933 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This isn't how scientific theories work, theories are based on evidence. This is just some stuff you made up.
Albert Tillinglock - Mon, 30 May 2016 08:47:00 EST ID:PYwdfvCt No.77934 Ignore Report Quick Reply
nb dammit, nb

LSD and Light Spectrums by Priscilla Cludgeville - Mon, 16 May 2016 20:11:19 EST ID:lbU1QW82 No.77892 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I don't understand how during the synth of LSD during a certain part a spectrum of light needs to be present to complete a step.
press !QUHukXEvkY - Tue, 17 May 2016 13:38:55 EST ID:QpnKQ24z No.77893 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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are you sure you know the difference between absence and presence?
Eugene Bledgeway - Tue, 17 May 2016 16:42:24 EST ID:ivgwSmOo No.77894 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I agree but two people have said this so far and I don't understand.
press !QUHukXEvkY - Tue, 17 May 2016 17:05:33 EST ID:QpnKQ24z No.77895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
is this some kind of netjester experiment where you try to randomly generate replies?

theres a lot of chemistry that requires certain frequencies of light, but photosensitive chemicals such as lsd require the absence of certain frequencies of light.

you dont need to have certain light in the synth of lsd in order to synth it, you just need to omit certain wavelengths in order not to have it degrade. this kind of shit is why there are a lot of flasks that are made from brown glass.
Ernest Pockham - Wed, 18 May 2016 15:53:33 EST ID:R2l5z5+y No.77897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Someone I respect said it and I'm like wuuuutt and then I read it as a random post on the future so I didn't understand it.

Thanks for clearing it up.
Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Wed, 25 May 2016 20:47:11 EST ID:Ym/MkWsP No.77911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I believe the synth route calls for a certain wavelength of light in so that you're not working in the dark.
The experimental procedure probably assumes your knowledge of photodegradation and tells you to use x-y spectrum of light because x-z and x-a will degrade it.

For example, if one compound degrades in both UV and IR light, you should avoid light sources that are active in the 200-480nm and 650-900nm region. I would probably write the experimental procedure saying "use this cheap light I can find at Home Depot that only emits light at 550-600nm. This is so that you can still fucking see while doing your reaction.

Anyone know of this or anything similar? by HarryVonFlappinvag - Wed, 25 May 2016 16:41:28 EST ID:9AVsKPcg No.77908 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I hope this is a good place to ask this. I'm curious to know if anyone has heard of a med called Proglumide &/or is there a way to obtain it or create it or something similar. I think this med originally started as a stomach med but had the side effect of reversing people's tolly to opi's. From what I can remember reading yrs ago, this med worked best if taken for 3-4 days than take a 2-3 day break from it. Ofcourse it's not scribed anymore. This could be of such great help to the countless amounts of people who have to take opi's every day to deal w/pain. I guess we can thank the govmt or big pharma for taking something like this off the market, money is more important.
So my questions are this, does anyone know if this med can be obtained anywhere &/or could this med be created? Would it be possible to create something like it?
Aside from all the common potentiators I can't think of anything that would actually reverse a tolly to opi's, except in a round about way, DXM.
Thanks so much for any input any one is able to provide!

Phenethylamine naming by Ernest Blackcocke - Sat, 16 Apr 2016 01:53:53 EST ID:zsw9I8fO No.77844 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How can it be called phenethylamine when that clearly is a propyl group?
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Betsy Sillybure - Wed, 20 Apr 2016 19:04:47 EST ID:W92KPdIu No.77856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I call bs shulgin lists the dosage of pea as upwards of 1.6g in pikhal.
press !QUHukXEvkY - Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:11:06 EST ID:xFG0CGS+ No.77858 Ignore Report Quick Reply
oh come on.

did you copy that fantasy out of william gibsons neuromancer?
>The drug hit him like an express train, a white-hot column of light mounting his spine from the region of his prostate, illuminating the sutures of his skull with x-rays of short-circuited sexual energy. His teeth sang in their individual sockets like tuning forks, each one pitch-perfect and clear as ethanol. His bones, beneath the hazy envelope of flesh, were chromed and polished, the joints lubricated with a film of silicone. Sandstorms raged across the scoured floor of his skull, generating waves of high thin static that broke behind his eyes, spheres of purest crystal, expanding...The anger was expanding, relentless, exponential, riding out behind the betaphenethylamine rush like a carrier wave, a seismic fluid, rich and corrosive.

Sidney Cunningway - Mon, 02 May 2016 03:05:04 EST ID:56ToYEXS No.77873 Ignore Report Quick Reply

and that is why you stay in school kids
Nathaniel Brooklock - Fri, 20 May 2016 18:58:54 EST ID:j2okwtbe No.77900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It is in some pre work out supplements, which people obviously feel some effect from so I wouldn't say it's dosage is around 1.6kg
press - Wed, 25 May 2016 16:30:23 EST ID:fcMijPsC No.77907 Ignore Report Quick Reply
im afraid thats not a very sound reasoning.

LSD - need assistance by Wesley Nickleway - Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:27:38 EST ID:vl+XBlOj No.77866 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm sorry for bringing this here, I already posted it on /b/ and /psy/ but you guys seem like you know what'll dissolve and what'll be absorbed in the stomach.
I purchased LSD last week that's supposed to be dosed at like 300ug, I am concerned about the substance on it though. I trust the person who got the LSD to me but he might have unintentionally given me something not LSD.

What I wanna know is if I swallow the "LSD tab" if the other chemicals will dissolve if it's not actually LSD. A friend and long time psychonaut told me I had nothing to worry about if I just swallowed it. Help me out?
Caroline Shakeridge - Wed, 27 Apr 2016 16:56:18 EST ID:a7VUUvOY No.77867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's likely 100ug or less if it's LSD. This amount will provide a full experience.

nBOMEs can't be absorbed if swallowed as far as I know. Put them in a gel cap or toilet paper and swallow I guess. DOx compounds are active in ranges 20x the dosage of LSD so the tab will be a bit bigger than 1cmx1cm

This belongs in /psy
James Blegglespear - Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:51:56 EST ID:Dw4RxHgh No.77868 Ignore Report Quick Reply
but theres prolly other rc's that can be consumed through tha stomach though
if it's bitter, it's a spitter
if you die, the dealer told a lie
if your tounge gets numb, then you took something dumb
press !QUHukXEvkY - Thu, 28 Apr 2016 01:53:26 EST ID:QpnKQ24z No.77869 Ignore Report Quick Reply
fucking hold it under UV-light at either 254nm or 366nm (i havent tested any other wavelengths)
if the blotter fluoresces it most likely is LSD or a close relative.
25I-NBOMe does not fluoresce under the same conditions.
Phoebe Sibblepat - Mon, 02 May 2016 15:07:58 EST ID:46/eGtv8 No.77876 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Buy a regent test kit mango. It won't tell if its LSD but it will tell you if its not at least a lysergemid. Most lysergemids are about a physicslly beign as LSD anyways
Nb belongs on /psy/
Charlotte Shakeham - Sun, 15 May 2016 19:32:45 EST ID:+5AM2MwN No.77890 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Isn't LSD really strong and easily absorbable. If you eat and don't just put it on your tongue won't you get really fucking high?

Future and Drug Safety by Fucking Crollernutch - Tue, 10 May 2016 16:22:29 EST ID:SBkA/DrJ No.77882 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Is this the right place to ask this sort of thing?
I'm doing some research for a novel, and I have some questions about the future of drugs. My story is set in 2035. E-cigarettes, driverless cars etc are a lot more common, and as such smoking and alcohol related deaths are significantly less common. As such, what drugs will be more dangerous? Less dangerous?
I imagine some labmonkeys make opiates consumable through vaping. I also imagine some entirely new substances are discovered and there's a resurgence of drug paranoia/phobia as people begin to take these new and strange substances.
What do you think?
press !QUHukXEvkY - Tue, 10 May 2016 17:15:39 EST ID:QpnKQ24z No.77883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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whyd you reckon that alcohol related deathsd be less common? because of automated cars?

truth is i reckon alcohols been a part of human life that long already, might be here to stay. not like theres a ton of tasty drinks with GHB or benzos inem being sold.
folks already got opioids that can be vaporized, fentanyl for example or even opium.

this might not be /lit/ but i guess you should try to read up where we all are right now concerning the topics youd like to examine in your stories and then try to imagine how you reckon theyd unfold. truth is theres a ton of new and sometimes strange substances being sold every year.

personally i got i like to read about new substances and imagine howd their future siblings might look, how and by whom theyd be discovered and whod take a fancy of them. maybe the mcafee/super tan story on bluelight might tingle your liking.
normally i wouldnt call just asking people for their general opinion research.

i reckon a scanner darkly, heart of darkness, infinite jest, something by william gibson, pikhal/tikhal or temple of the golden pavillion might be interesting reads.
Fucking Crollernutch - Tue, 10 May 2016 17:21:04 EST ID:SBkA/DrJ No.77884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>because of automated cars?
Yeah, it'll probably minimize drunk driving. Especially if cars can swerve past pedestrians.
>that reading list
>normally i wouldnt call just asking people for their general opinion research.
Well, not capital-R research, just finding things out.

I already have in the story a family of drugs nicknamed spices; the two that are mentioned are nutmeg and rosemary. The former is a euphoric, the latter is a moderate hallucinogen. I have not quite enough chemistry to propose structures for them.
press !QUHukXEvkY - Tue, 10 May 2016 17:43:02 EST ID:QpnKQ24z No.77885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
wouldnt this be a /lit/ thread?

sorry, im a wee bit too tired. nb
Fucking Crollernutch - Tue, 10 May 2016 18:00:51 EST ID:SBkA/DrJ No.77886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm asking /chem/ as it's a question about speculating the future of drugs and drug forms. If /lit/ can talk chemistry to me, then sure.
Barnaby Pickbanks - Tue, 10 May 2016 21:31:19 EST ID:X4ILJZsh No.77887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I guess the better question is, what sort of drugs do you expect to become more commonly used in the future? Why?

Low yield nukes by Angus Neshwell - Fri, 23 May 2014 06:43:15 EST ID:sBVjj75A No.74752 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>The smallest nuclear weapons actually deployed have had yields around 10 tons (like the W54), and have been intended for short range tactical or nuclear demolition use (e.g. blowing up roads and bridges).

>The absolute minimum possible mass for a bomb is determined by the smallest critical mass that will produce a significant yield. Since the critical mass for alpha-phase plutonium is 10.5 kg, and an additional 20-25% of mass is needed to make a significant explosion, this implies 13 kg or so. A thin beryllium reflector will reduce this, but the necessary high explosive and packaging will add mass, so the true absolute minimum probably lies in the range of 10-15 kg.

>The W54 warhead used in the Davy Crockett had a minimum mass of about 23 kg, and had yields ranging from 10 tons up to 1 kt in various mods (probably achieved by varying the fissile content). The warhead was basically egg-shaped with the minor axis of 27.3 cm and a major axis of 40 cm. The W-54 probably represents a near minimum diameter for a spherical implosion device (the U.S. has conducted tests of a 25.4 cm implosion system however).


Low yield mini nukes. And if you're fretting OMG what if these fell in the wrong hands -

they already have. Pic related.
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Ernest Giffingwill - Tue, 13 Jan 2015 18:43:06 EST ID:mPxNc9mh No.76013 Ignore Report Quick Reply
WHy the fuck would you bump a 6 month old thread?
CrazyFolksTribe !loJSOMZg0g - Thu, 29 Jan 2015 19:44:25 EST ID:DHa/QsRX No.76052 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Why not?
Lydia Picklock - Thu, 07 Apr 2016 18:15:10 EST ID:IsDQAl0D No.77815 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Charlotte Crevingchadge - Tue, 12 Apr 2016 20:32:38 EST ID:G6JxVMCk No.77827 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Might be relevant in the coming 7 days.
Isabella Hollerdale - Thu, 05 May 2016 23:48:41 EST ID:Kp36wGEV No.77880 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Oprtation Plowshare

Acetone by Shitting Sellerman - Mon, 02 May 2016 12:59:32 EST ID:uYoSzwJB No.77874 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Are you going to be flagged if you try to buy pure acetone online? I imagine store-bought nail polish remover has some contaminants.
Phoebe Sibblepat - Mon, 02 May 2016 14:59:24 EST ID:46/eGtv8 No.77875 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Are you trying to make explosives? If not you could prolly extract acetone from nail polish remover, but I wouldn't know how to do that.
Hugh Clettinggold - Wed, 04 May 2016 12:50:49 EST ID:fh+UlChj No.77877 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Drug store "pure" acetone does have a contaminant, it is bitter flavoring to prevent abuse. As far as I am aware, hardware acetone (sold with paint thinners) is pure enough for most.
press !QUHukXEvkY - Wed, 04 May 2016 13:21:51 EST ID:QpnKQ24z No.77878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
many brands of nail polish removers are ethylethanoate and actually pride themselves in being acetone free around here.

what do you need the acetone for? what purity grade do you need?
and most importantly in what quantities? small orders normally are ignored but if you order a volume above the limit you might draw some attention.
Barnaby Fanshaw - Thu, 05 May 2016 00:04:41 EST ID:zsw9I8fO No.77879 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I need it for doing a wash on drugs. It's okay if it's not 100% anhydrous, but it's the bitterants or other nasty stuff I want to ensure isn't in there.

What about acetone off ebay?

Psychadelic Manufacture by Thomas Nickleforth - Sun, 06 Mar 2016 18:22:20 EST ID:njYbfznv No.77712 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I've been reading up on manufacturing LSD, and it really doesn't seem that difficult. All over the web you find people who have never made LSD saying it's really difficult, you're going to get yourself killed, etc. The equipment you need doesn't seem difficult to obtain or even expensive. Basic lab glassware & chemicals, pressure cooker for autoclaving, nitrogen, darkroom lights, UV lights, chromatography column & plates. Am I wrong in thinking anyone with some organic chemistry lab experience and fungus cultivation experience should be perfectly able to make LSD?

Yeah some chemicals are closely watched by governments (diethylamine), but from what I've read there's multiple ways to synthesize it, and it shouldn't be too difficult.

Also, why don't we see more pure psilocybin and mescaline? That seems VERY easy to extract. No worrying about decomposition and acquiring/synthesizing watched chemicals. Just get yourself a sox & column?
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Phoebe Pattingdale - Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:05:04 EST ID:elUaEHQO No.77861 Ignore Report Quick Reply
IIRC most acid nowadays is synthesized from blackmarket sourced ET, nobody fucks around with fungus.
Angus Siffingman - Mon, 25 Apr 2016 14:34:14 EST ID:jPu0AOZE No.77862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wasn't Albert Hoffman's first accidental trip, the "Bicycle Day" trip, from accidentally absorbing a few drops of LSD through his finger tips?
Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:37:37 EST ID:b/5qTt5E No.77863 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No. Hypodermic LSD is not a thing. Otherwise the dealer I know who handles all his LSD without gloves would be tripping fucking balls every time he dropped it on the papes.
It was hypothesised that he was handling a lot of it (which he was) and ate some finger food without washing his hands and tripped off that.
press !QUHukXEvkY - Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:41:53 EST ID:QpnKQ24z No.77864 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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he wrote a book about his most famous discovery and all his over research into psychedelics. really recommendable, its a light read and not to heavy on the chemistry side.

would you say that the guy would be hesitant to admit improper technique? back inna day youd still operate a pipete with your mouth or smoke in the lab
perhaps he doesnt remember, which seems plausible after a huge trip.

im very sorry for being a nuissance and a smartass, but it should be transdermal. hypodermic would imply that it was shoved under the skin instead of passing through it on its own.
isnt touching blotters detrimental to their shelf life? not like you should screw in a different light bulb everytime you handle them but gloves arent that hard to come by.
Vehk !7HYGxe5v5c - Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:53:53 EST ID:uObvI0JQ No.77865 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I've heard a theory that he dosed himself purposefully and lied about it in order to protect his reputation as a research chemist.

Purifying deshcloroketamine by James Bardwill - Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:23:52 EST ID:oFyUnb48 No.77859 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I got 10g of deschloroketamine and it's a bit weak. I'd like to purify it further and I'm wondering what you folks would recommend doing. I'm taking ochem now so I know a little bit but not much about this type of stuff, I know with mxe folks just did an acetone wash and I'm wondering if that would still be a good idea for this, or what. No idea what the impurities would be unfortunately, but I doubt it's cut likely just a shitty synth (got it from china). Thanks

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