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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

Dependence on trivial downer doses

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- Thu, 22 Aug 2019 13:09:47 EST aIeHXNWL No.30579
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I've been stuck in a loop that I don't really know what to think of. For about 5 years I've been taking therapeutic doses of opioids, benzodiazepines, gabapentinoids and/or z-drugs every day to sleep and to avoid mania. I rotate them so that I never bother my opioid receptors for more than 2 days straight, and try avoid benzodiazepines altogether.

Some recent example evenings:
  • 10mg ambien + 5mg kratom
  • 0.3mg buprenorphine + 2 beers
  • 10mg kratom + 1mg alprazolam

I've had sober breaks of up to a month, especially on holidays, but in order to keep a sleeping pattern and a sane mind that guarantee steady income, I feel like I need these drugs. Of course a doctor wouldn't prescribe every downer ever but I also want to rotate because clearly it's easier to take breaks when I'm not used to taking one drug every single day.

The thing is, I can't really travel without e.g. smuggling buprenorphine or choosing Amsterdam so I have kratom available. I can't see my girlfriend 7 days a week, because I need to dose. I want to move abroad but that's no choice with such a deeply rooted dependence.

How do I approach going forward about all this crap? I'm not old enough to pile up and to die in a fortress of drugs.
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David Puzzlefuck - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 15:16:32 EST UjQ6AzP6 No.30580 Reply
Wow that's a lot of drugs you seem to be on! When you mention doing these to stop mania, do you have Bipolar then? If so, the meds specific to that do tend to keep that fairly under control, meaning the need for other drugs is not really there once you've got a dose and medication right for you to treat the Bipolar. If you still struggle even on the meds, then you most likely have a psychological addiction to drugs - like you feel you need that high to keep functioning. That can only really be treated by working on yourself, with help of drug abuse groups / counselling etc... to help you work out why you feel this way still. It is absolutely possible to keep 'clean' but theres no single answer to help you - each person is different and the underlying cause for using drugs will vary depending on each person's background / lifestyle and brain chemistry. Sounds like you just need to start assessing some of these problems that ended up with you having to get into this cocktail of stuff, and then work on not self-medicating, but using proper clinical help instead. Hope this helps...
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Thomas Cleggleshaw - Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:50:08 EST z3X4D7fJ No.30637 Reply
>>30580
Wow, this board is slow. A month later my post is on the front page, and I'm in the same loop obviously.

It's not bipolar I have, just "unipolar" manic-manic disorder. Jokes aside it's high-functioning enthusiasm, chronic insomnia and generalized anxiety disorder.

A year ago I did go to get clinical help, underlining that I'm abusing downers and need something non-habit-forming that'll help me sleep. I know the root of my struggles is getting enough sleep, which I need for mood reasons and performance at work.

So I got a quetiapine prescription. It sure does match the "non-habit-forming" part that I was looking for, in fact it's so awful I haven't resorted to it more than about 5 times. I know I should just tell the doctor, and then I'd get a prescription better suited for my needs (10mg ambien for insomnia and 75mg pregabalin for RLS).

In addition to getting my prescription right, I think I should also just try traveling, since that's what I'm scared of, as stated in OP. That would force me to taper down and to start another period of sobriety. I know I can do it because I've done it before. Another luxury that I really need to use are long vacations that give me the freedom to sleep whenever I want, like I used to as a teenager (with no drug problems whatsoever, just living my life with no need to sleep regularly in order to work for the man).
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Thomas Cleggleshaw - Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:56:00 EST z3X4D7fJ No.30638 Reply
>>30637
Kirtaner if you're reading this, I would argue that word-filtering awteezm to enthusiasm doesn't do very good for the awteezm community

BWS 3

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- Sun, 03 Jun 2018 13:28:12 EST cXy+on2h No.29922
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Last one stopped bumping.

It's been 2 weeks since I started my suboxone taper. I'm doing good. Just taking everything day by day.

I've been in therapy for 1 month already. I've made quite a bit of progress in such little time. I feel better about myself and am becoming emotionally and mentally stable for once in my life. I'm starting to realize my potential as a person who can achieve anything as long as I can see it. Seeing is achieving. The mind is what you create.
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Shit Dripperstock - Sun, 15 Sep 2019 22:20:09 EST ZIVfjpy+ No.30626 Reply
no bump. Am drunk. This shit is killing me and isn't even fun
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Thomas Wungerhon - Sat, 21 Sep 2019 19:41:22 EST eVQ5Y21i No.30635 Reply
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Had to quit everything (mainly a daily weed habit) for a job. Smoked my last bowl on 12/1/2018. Lots of people on here talking about withdrawals and shit or how they gained some kind of clarity but I have experienced exactly nothing like that. "Quitting" was as easy as putting the shit under my bed and forgetting about it. All that has changed is I can't smoke a bowl and play vidya in the evenings anymore. I don't miss it like you might imagine I would after ten years of daily smoking, but I do get shitty that my employer feels the need to tell me I can't smoke on a Friday night because that would make it oh so dangerous to come in on Monday and sit at a fucking desk for eight hours. The principle of it pisses me off more than the simple fact that I can't smoke TBH.
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Henry Bocklewin - Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:17:57 EST rWeyVnFt No.30636 Reply
Today makes 4 months since I've been clean. I'm proud of myself
BUT

Nightmares from lack of alcohol

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- Thu, 19 Sep 2019 17:51:05 EST wobK5M0V No.30631
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So I’m trying to drink /booze/ like a normal person (aka not a 6 paclk+ everyday), but I keep having nightmares. I don’t have any obvious signs of withdrawal while awak, but while sleeping I almost have night terrors, when this has never happened to before. I went to bed sober, but I eventually was making a ton of whimpering noises in my sleep and as I screamed I woke up (or my girlfriend woke me up). I keep having different dreams WIS out my parents moving (which my dad did move a few months ago); I assume this my brains way of dealing with it since it’s been pickled for almost a year. Is there anything to ease these dreams without drinking or suppressing sleep states?
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John Gennerfoot - Fri, 20 Sep 2019 18:29:49 EST oEP0+VWz No.30632 Reply
>>30631

going thru same thing here. once i hit about 5 days of no drinking the nightmares kick in. i think its just the surge of CNS activity that has been repressed for so long. just get through it man. i find smoking tons of weed helps me.
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Simon Fecklechetch - Sat, 21 Sep 2019 08:35:26 EST oZqRBPtl No.30634 Reply
Just stop, you'll have to stop anyway when you're older.

System Flush

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- Fri, 30 Aug 2019 17:11:42 EST odCFcTwF No.30591
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I never normally take bars. But yesterday (Thur the 29th) I took 2-2mg xanax my friend offered me just for fun, like I said I normally never take them Last time I did was maybe a week ago. Turns out I have a surprise test coming up on Tuesday September 3rd (it is currently friday btw and FYI I am 6'0" about 180lbs and have a high metabolism) What are my chances of pissing dirty by then? Should I start guzzling water and taking hot baths?
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Nicholas Fishforth - Sun, 01 Sep 2019 13:44:55 EST 5LtVcA/C No.30598 Reply
lmao that was pretty stupid. Drug test yourself.
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Augustus Dandledork - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 01:57:09 EST 7EQ3Ilr6 No.30609 Reply
>>30591
You normally never take them but took them a week ago? WTF?
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John Gennerfoot - Fri, 20 Sep 2019 18:31:54 EST oEP0+VWz No.30633 Reply
>>30609

that line jumped out at me too lol. sounds like OP is behind 9000 layers of denial

Weening off Pot and Dealing With Withdrawal

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- Sat, 17 Aug 2019 19:39:33 EST IM86YoNJ No.30567
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What is the best way to stop nightly usage and the least painful way to completely detox? Mornings are the worst for me, and I take 20mg of an SSRI daily (why I want to stop)z
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Walter Dackletot - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 19:21:29 EST Z6RxDAi2 No.30571 Reply
>>30570
You might have a few fucked up dreams for a while after. That's common but it's not hard. What Doris said will work and you'll be fine.

it's more that if you're used to being high your body has adjusted its homoestasis to compensate. Once you stop smoking you'll be a bit less hungry and your dreams will be vivid and weird an that will stop after a few days or weeks. Continue with your life as before pot aside and it's done.

If you're getting anything else it's not the pot that's the problems.
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Ernest Clayway - Tue, 17 Sep 2019 05:43:59 EST vnB9o3o5 No.30627 Reply
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>>30571
Can confirm very vivid and lucid dreams happening a few days into your T-Break. I will never forget the dream where I got to play D&D w/ snoop at his halloween party supply store.
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Graham Drobbleham - Thu, 19 Sep 2019 14:15:24 EST KIuSMo+d No.30630 Reply
With pot just give it away to someone or throw it out. If it's not around you won't smoke it.

Xanax WDs- How long can it last?

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- Sun, 18 Aug 2019 13:29:33 EST OvdHNUHp No.30568
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I've tapered from 4mg+ to 0.5mg a day in roughly 4 months.

I've been taking Xanax for about a decade now. Needless to say I feel pretty terrible. I can't sleep even with exercise. I'm afraid I'll have a heart attack due to the constant major anxiety and lack of rest. It never stops. My mood is an absolute mess as well. I feel like crying 24/7.

What also scares me is the idea I've already gone back to normal since it has been 4 months. I've always been awfully anxious so this might be what sober life is going to be from now on.

Just how long can this last? I really hope this is still WDs otherwise I don't know how I'm going to survive this, both physically and emotionally.
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Betsy Manderdock - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 13:46:58 EST qTbkD5B5 No.30569 Reply
For me it was a year at least but I was on them for 10.
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Cyril Danningfoot - Thu, 19 Sep 2019 07:12:43 EST HDo0Qvdl No.30628 Reply
I was abusing etizolam for about 5-6 years and for the final 2 years of that it got up to 15-25mg per day. I didn't taper and had to quit cold turkey (save for 1 weeks worth of valium i got from a rehab doctor) and my withdrawals lasted well over a year. You're definitely still recovering so you have good reason to have hope that it will get better. Because it most certainly will.
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Jack Niblingmodging - Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:16:28 EST fqWp9Swl No.30629 Reply
>>30568
Depends how long and at what dose you've been using it my man

I know it's not good to recommend replacing it with another substance as such but if you can, try to get hold of some pregabalin and take that for the withdrawls if you can?


What made you get clean

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- Mon, 19 Aug 2019 15:19:47 EST dpIO+886 No.30572
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For those who have long term sobriety, what was the catalyst and how did you find the motivation and steps to lead a better life?
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KB - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:41:12 EST ZASTjFXm No.30617 Reply
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>>30604 I think there are two of us oldies about 70yr old on this thread. In case you are asking me about regrets well, no I had a great time and would not have missed it for the world, so to speak. But then I was lucky to not have a conviction, never found guilty in court. Pure luck and thus from 40 years old rebuilt a life, probably luck again but it happened. I also learned a lot about myself in the years after quitting, not immediately but around the 25 year mark to now. I have friends who also got clean and ended up in the rehab field, not a lot because most people die eventually but some cleaned up and in general I think their theories are full of shit, but that's me maybe, cant be told anything. Dope still is fascinating and that's why I read High Times back in the day and 420 chan these days. As said in previous posts over in opiate discussions (now page six) I became a punk and reveled in the scene and music. Without the Heroin addiction I might not have done that. I was a trained dancer and would be listening to Stravinsky not Las Vulpress or Iggy Pop. Regrets,I think my life is pretty good, love my job.
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KB - Fri, 13 Sep 2019 05:01:31 EST ZASTjFXm No.30623 Reply
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>>30621 Dear Dorkette, I posted here because it's a detox board and secondly was asked a question and proceeded to answer it. Having detoxed off smack 30 years ago Occasionally I might say something but not often.

Synthetic Urine for Drug Test Help.

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- Mon, 02 Sep 2019 16:30:16 EST R2loQZ16 No.30603
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Has anyone used synthetic urine for a drug test? Did you pass or were you caught? I'm on methadone and have been using again (fuck me right) for the past 3 weeks and have a random test sometime this month. I'm desperate and considering buying the synthetic urine they have at my local smoke shop. The tests are not monitored and I'm not even sure there is a temperature test on it, I piss in a cup and bring it back to the front desk and it gets shipped somewhere else for testing. Anyone have experience with this? Or any other methods for passing a urine test? I was gonna pour a tiny bit of methadone into the fake urine and hope it works.
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Cedric Cleblingstock - Thu, 12 Sep 2019 17:37:20 EST Llutud8H No.30619 Reply
>>30603
Sounds like a stupid idea to me. If they're only urine testing you there's a bunch of other drugs you could get away with doing.

DXM & Life

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- Thu, 12 Sep 2019 17:35:04 EST Llutud8H No.30618
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I am right now a felon on probation. The focus of my life is getting high, I was clean for a long time which I spent in jail, but after getting out I was so agonizingly bored every day just vaping and drinking loads of coffee that I started getting high again.

Somehow probation thinks that I'm using DXM and I went to court and they discussed how they're going to find a way to test me for it now. I took one urinalysis so far on probation and they didn't tell me if it detected anything, but a week after this they're now concerned that I'm doing DXM. My use was for about 3 1/2 years dosing multiple times every single day until I got locked up. I'm not sure when or how they're going to test me again but I really want to get high again.

I took the urine test 9 days ago, I don't know if they saved it or if that's even possible. If they send it out I can almost guarantee something will be detected in it because I was using every day leading up to the test.

Can I actually get away with this? (It seems like I could have until whatever happened to make them suspicious) I'm so bored every fucking day and can't enjoy anything unless I'm high. Going to jail put me in a low energy state every day where I just drifted through the time not paying attention to anything or ever getting excited. I feel like I have to stop but I just want to get high again. When I'm high I don't even care if I go to prison or back to jail. I feel like it's my life and this is how I want to live it. I lost my girlfriend and my friends during the time I was locked up and I'm not that good socially and not only do I feel like I have nothing to offer a woman but I'm worried that I can't even trust one, especially considering I don't have a bunch of shit to offer them.

The only ways I can think of that probation found out I was getting high is the urine test I took had false positives or something, or that they're just suspicious for whatever reason, or this methhead who I mentioned my DXM use to is actually a rat. I was in jail with him and I thought I could trust him so I did communicate with him and mention that I was worried about the urine sample I gave because I was using DXM.

Not sure what to do but I don't really give a shit about anything.

Recovery

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- Fri, 06 Sep 2019 16:10:15 EST h7kQqvlo No.30612
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I was told to come here because I want to post on a thread each day about my recovery from substance abuse.
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Reuben Blythehood - Sat, 07 Sep 2019 08:59:14 EST 9JPtlKo8 No.30614 Reply
how is it going? what supports have you got in place to help you through this? What is your action plan for when you feel like you are going to relapse?
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Oliver Credgedock - Sat, 07 Sep 2019 09:34:09 EST UjQ6AzP6 No.30615 Reply
Not OP, but I am also in recovery from opiates, including H - currently on Bupe maintenance. Oddly, I'm finding myself feeling like going on a binge, but not for Opi's, but for a stim of some sort! Obviously I know this would be a stupid thing to do, but that's on my mind a lot right now, despite not doing any stims for like 10 years! Anyway, hope you're doing ok OP - fell free to share experiences with us and any issues you're facing.

How fast does urine have drug dregs in it?

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- Thu, 05 Sep 2019 02:04:50 EST 7EQ3Ilr6 No.30610
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Is your piss immediately contaminated? I smoked some meth, forgetting to save some piss first and then went like 5 min later. I can submit the piss tomorrow if it's clean, but if not I have my next UA in 5.5 days. I I'll prob be clean by then as I'm just doing like .2 grams today and tomorrow, and if there's a little it's not the end of the world, as I'm on subs and they just make me step up the counseling in my MAT program.
Any advice greatly appreciated.

benzo withdrawl seizures

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- Sun, 25 Aug 2019 14:52:27 EST fqWp9Swl No.30586
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Anyone else currently sitting on edge anxious they might take a fit any day?

I had two within 24hrs following abrupt withdrawl from mickymouse xannies a year ago and i'm still scared

becuase i recently started taking diazepam last few weeks like an idiot and didnt think about the kindling effect now i wait

Did anyone else experience fits after benzo? Did you get any prodromal features/Auroas (Hallucinations, tastes, smells, weird feelings, visuals?)

QuickFix, Pain clinic, and Opis oh my

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- Thu, 22 Aug 2019 07:50:28 EST thbTr7Ld No.30575
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Hello, I have a new patient pain clinic appt scheduled in less than a week for serious legitimate reasons, although I've been using an old oxy IR script (different dr/insurance/6 months ago) due to my back pain, and am curious on a few things..

(Also my apologies if this isn't the correct board, figured it might be given the circumstances tho.)

I'm curious if QuickFix synthetic would work for pain mgmt urine tests?
Anyone have any insight on such uses? Or QuickFix or other products in general?

Also, how can I calculate the duration in which oxycodone will stay detectable in my urine based on amount and/or bmi?
(6'3'' 190lbs; only used for the past 2-3 days, but roughly 90-150mg a day)

Does kratom show up on pain management tests? Anyone have experience with pain doctors and kratom? Is it better to avoid mentioning the kratom?

Am I fucked? Chug water and might be okay?
Ty for any/all responses
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Nell Shakeshaw - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 12:24:28 EST c8Y5VlxS No.30576 Reply
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Depending on the type of pain, I recommend asking about baclofen. It's a muscle relaxer. It makes me really chill and warm and fuzzy and still able to function (except for hard physical labor).

If you just want to know about clean piss, first of all, /detox/. Second, I think opis are out of your system in three or four days. I don't think anybody tests for kratom so you can use that to stave off any withdrawals.
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Nell Shakeshaw - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 12:45:02 EST c8Y5VlxS No.30577 Reply
>>30576
Oh fuck this is detox. I thought I clicked on b.

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