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Taper Strategy Curve by Martin Settingchot - Fri, 23 Sep 2016 20:23:40 EST ID:ECfngw0O No.28569 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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How to taper, what is medically preferred method?
David Gishbick - Fri, 23 Sep 2016 22:36:01 EST ID:DtAYNBPm No.28570 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Medically preferred??? I've heard of doctors usually recommending the linear one. Imo it depends on what you are tapering off of and its half life; I've always gone C/T for short-acting drugs and powered through the week or whatever.

For longer-acting ones like methadone I reduce my dose by ~5-15% each day for about a ~1-2 month long taper. If I wake up feeling not so terrible I go for a 15% reduction but if I need to be extra functional that day I only go for a 5%. Just never go up. At that rate it makes every day feel like a shitty day but at least you're not suffering and the withdrawals are actually fairly consistent. The graph for this taper would look asymptotic like your exponential one
Martin Goodshaw - Fri, 07 Oct 2016 16:01:25 EST ID:vNAtVGzp No.28608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Your third graph isn't really a logarithm. I found a sigmoid taper to be best, one that looks like this, but x -> -x
Ebenezer Murdwater - Sat, 08 Oct 2016 22:55:16 EST ID:LKQzB6Ue No.28610 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My tapering method best fits the cosine model in the pic if you know what i mean ;-)
Shitting Hollerstone - Wed, 12 Oct 2016 18:42:33 EST ID:0R3mL45S No.28613 Ignore Report Quick Reply
my tapering schedule looks like the sin function and the cos function plotted on the same graph, with sin representing downers and cos representing stims.
Martin Wengerfoot - Thu, 13 Oct 2016 14:28:41 EST ID:2BGyI4Ve No.28615 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well I don't know which one is "best" but of course it depends heavily on the drug in question. My preferred method is the crash taper, which looks a lot like log but way more severe. Expect heavier withdrawals and extreme discomfort but frankly I find ripping the bandaid off much, much more effective particularly if you want to remember why using anything that much was a bad idea in the first place. It basically forces you to be mildly sick but borderline functional just so that it isn't so hellish but also lets you improve way faster.

Another way is the inverse plateaus, where you basically just drop the dose fast enough to hit WDs almost but can quickly restabilize on the next dose regimen for a short time.

But again this really varies heavily person to person and drug to drug. Something like cocaine or amphetamines you can quit cold turkey. A drug like alcohol a crash taper is extremely dangerous, possibly fatal depending on your condition. Doing this with benzos is also profoundly dangerous. Heroin and opis you can do a crash taper, although odds are you're going to do that anyone if you got addicted to narcotics since you can't likely control yourself from taking more. Alcohol is a tough one because you can control yourself the least and odds are your "2 beer taper" just results in you drinking the whole twelve pack that night as alcoholics by definition cannot control themselves. Alcohol and heroin are the two where you probably cannot even taper without some professional help or drug substitution. Stimulants fortunately don't have really severe physical withdrawals so it's kind of safe to just stop using completely and deal with the consequences for a week.
Barnaby Smallfuck - Sat, 15 Oct 2016 09:32:22 EST ID:bzYegZzh No.28620 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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CrazyFolksTribe !owU3wSU682 - Mon, 17 Oct 2016 04:42:50 EST ID:DqMZU7iL No.28624 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Augustus Billinghood - Tue, 18 Oct 2016 21:27:13 EST ID:QBG7XEv6 No.28631 Ignore Report Quick Reply
this thread made me lol out loud
Edwin Clongerfon - Tue, 10 Jan 2017 02:53:07 EST ID:1AbxK04f No.28811 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Bumping for interest.
Tapering off opi's for me:
Steep linear start, rapidly can drop to about 50% of dose as fast as possible. The step down. Just for example with a 100mg a day habit, something like -10mg/day over 5 days 100mg ->50mg, then hold for a week. Then drop 5mg hold for 1 day (45mg), drop another 5 for 2 days (40mg), drop another 5 for 3 days (35mg)...etc down to 0 I guess. Never made it past about 20% of the starting dose, and when I say days I mean 3-4 half-lives. In that example it would be heroin with a half life of 4-6 or 6-8 hours.
Done something similar with methadone spaced further, and fent analogues with shorter duration.
Martha Gongerhere - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:07:24 EST ID:rV4/QHiM No.28814 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Fibonacci method: get at least one other person to join you in your tapering, then only allow yourself to meet up to do the drug together once every 1 day, 1 day, 2 days, 3 days, 5 days, etc.

Well, I guess technically that'd be exponential.

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