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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

"The Hole"

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- Thu, 06 Jun 2019 09:49:26 EST MtmQZplb No.366791
File: 1559828966971.png -(555945B / 542.92KB, 501x503) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. "The Hole"
yo Yo yo /dis/.

So, I am a polydrug user/former abuser who has a vast amount of experience ranging from weed to mdma, lsd, and designer drugs such as 2CE,MXE, and 2CB over the past 10 years. However the only experiences I have had with dis is that small amount of MXE ~500mg from derkwebs and DXM. Through a local connection (read: this guy sells all the drugs, legit) I have managed to acquire an ounce of K. Naturally I tried it yesterday and I am pretty sure I holed, however I don't have the same kind of visuals that other people have been reporting. Do you guys think I need to rail more (I am not using needle although I understand it's objectively better.) to get these kinda of visuals. For reference, I am a big guy ~ 225lb - 6'3 ~

TLDR: Hole dosage 6'3 220lb experienced astronaut

Life after durgs

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- Wed, 05 Jun 2019 15:31:11 EST o2NKIddQ No.366784
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Greetings. I've been quite depressed my entire life.



Now I've been "clean" for almost a year.



I've used a lot of hallucinogens for a year and have been regularly smoking pot for eight years prior to that. I've used mainly k* with addition of acid and mushrooms.



I have borderline disorder.

I have used a lot of anti-psychotics but it is no way close when I took drugs.

I just cannot even get out of home now. Utterly depressed.

When I was doing hallucinogens my life was absolutely great. In every sense. I made huge improvements in both my career and my love life.



Now that I have stopped, I'm broken in every sense, they all fell even worse than how they used to be.



I am quite suicidal now. I feel there's no hope for me.


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Edwin Bardwill - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 17:30:04 EST hXNbw9MG No.366785 Reply
>>366784
I'm about 2 years out since quitting dissos. I used long enough i developed minor urinary incontinence. first year was absolute hell for me but i think i can finally say im better than i was when i was using. its not that the depressions gone away, being on dissos was the only period in my life i wasnt depressed.

But ive found out how to actually live life, found sometime bigger than myself i can shift my thoughts towards when suicidal thoughts come up.

Religion does this for a lot of people but at its core religion is a method of control - And the death of God and the belief in the afterlife coincided with the birth of the ideal life that we all strive to live but are all incapable of ever achieving, the life that only exists inside my animus.

Now falling for this meme can do some good but youll still want to kill yourself, but the important part is the bigger than yourself part and the working for a better world part, not the unachievable paradise meme (though buddhists seem to be happily falling for this meme so i think they do a better job than weebs learning japanese ans how to run like naruto).

anyways i think the best way to find something that works is to avoid old habits like the plague. ive stopped talking with all of the folks i knew when i was on dissos (all net friends, tho 1 i dated irl for a while after meeting over the net, the gf thing i have made no progress on but ive been able to get happier regardless by ignoring it completely). I also stopped using my desktop almost entirely as i used to be glued to it 24/7, turned anime and vidya into a hobby instead of a proxy for actual life experience. Quit music entirely as i always got fucked up to make it. My career is fucked but whatever, i was a different person on dissos and cpuldnt do the same sober so i stopped trying and ive been much better for it.

And then eventually youll run into something that clicks and gives you hope, if you can get yourself far enough away from where you were and where you know all thar awaits you is death's sweet embrace.

Meanwhile im trying to give advice but i had ssris help with depression somewhat, so i got lucky there, and even though i quit dissos and cannabis and all the drugs i used during that period of my life i started drinking and am fullbfledged alcogolic.mbandb imbdrink ad fuk. Fuck. Just dont do dissos because then youll be hypomanic for months with psychotic breaks now and then and then you will drip peee everhwhere or worse. And if i take dissos at all im instantly psychotic. Fuck that. Dissos will give you perma damage within years, and if ykure like me whjch it slunds like you are, it dkesnt even feel like being the same damn person when youre on dissos. The actual you has drugged itself to the point it cant think or feel, in an act of slow suicide.

Going back to dissos isnt living life, its giving up on it and destroying it so you can become someone else while you fade away and your body breaks, and the someone else you become slowly goes insane throughout this whole process (i think it took 4 for me to really get serious psychosis but as ive said it happens whenever i take dissos now and i dont even have bipolar, nor do i get stim psychosis, its literally just dissos that do this).

Okayb i am drunk and lonely and ramvling but fuck man, please dont die. even if i am doing better thinking sbout that perido makes me wantbtkbcry. And i definiteky do jave days where k tjink, fuck, dverhthinfs gone to shit, i wish i had dissos. But fuck that, just fuck that. A shitty life without dissos is still a life, a life with dissos is watching someone else live life for you as you become truly isolated, truly alone, and slowly dying.

Shitll get better, living life is a skill, the skill of breaking away from the life-through-proxy of the society of spectacles, that dissos are an ultimate form of submission to, and to learn to engage in genuine human experiences instead.

Okay thks post isbway too fucking long fuxk im drunm
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Molly Hollydore - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 01:15:46 EST pLE04sXn No.366788 Reply
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Chill, pause and breath for a couple of days, it ain't so bad.
#366188

Dissociative introspection

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- Fri, 24 May 2019 16:39:41 EST cP2BnXDL No.366622
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I'm coming down from my first dxm trip right now (excuse any spelling mistakes I'm still high) and I only took 300 mg but I feel very deep introspection like at my hight I was very nauseous and throwing up and felt inpending doom and death but then I was tho king of how lownly I was and how bad direction I'm in in this life I didn't think dissacoxitves were like this? They are like psychedelics in ways don't underestimate dxm it's vry powerful.
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Nell Beblingbene - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 13:08:46 EST GbDJnRn7 No.366782 Reply
>>366778

wow i'm an idiot, I was wondering wtf these Robocop images were all doing flying around in every thread on here....ROBOcop....Jesus. Flew right over my head.

Has Anyone Tried MXPr?

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- Sun, 02 Jun 2019 22:28:09 EST h6Wnkt/7 No.366728
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Or are we all still waiting for vendors to drop it? Is anyone else ready to be the first one to place in order once it's stocked? I know I am.
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Nathaniel Murdwater - Tue, 04 Jun 2019 04:35:38 EST mJzXpVVL No.366762 Reply
>>366759
MXM was bunk as fuck. Little to no recreational substance.
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Lillian Sazzlelock - Tue, 04 Jun 2019 11:06:29 EST M6yP46hk No.366764 Reply
>>366762
I've heard several people say they quite liked it. Less than deep but very cozy was the impression I got.
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Phoebe Lightham - Tue, 04 Jun 2019 18:12:04 EST 83QDLyd4 No.366771 Reply
>>366762

You must've gotten some bunk shit, what I got was very active and a lot of fun. It was a lot like MXE but more stimulating, shorter acting and a lot less potent (doses were basically the same as Ketamine). It was hard to hole on but it made up for it by being one of the most euphoric dissociatives I've ever tried, just a bit beyond MXE itself which is an achievement. Unfortunately though it had a bit of a dirty afterglow, the antidepressant effects were still present and it was nice all around, but it had some hangover-like effects that weren't great, similar to O-PCE's afterglow.

Really wish it'd come back around, it was a great dissociative.

Surviving ghb

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- Sun, 26 May 2019 17:38:06 EST T6geXvAB No.366635
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So I'm not sure if this is the right board but I guess it's closer to what I'm after than any other..

So my friend has been dosing herself on GHB like every second hour for about a month now and her supply is about to run out. We have looked into it and apparently the come down is vicious and almost almost life threatning.

Does anyone have any tips on how to survive it?
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Eliza Feckleridge - Tue, 04 Jun 2019 16:20:07 EST 6sAkZYbz No.366770 Reply
>>366767
It's gabaergic but it also has its own special receptor.

Hole CEVs

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- Mon, 27 May 2019 20:20:48 EST 6sAkZYbz No.366646
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What does everyone see in their holes? I've seen reports of people having DMT-like breakthroughs with super intricate visuals, but my CEVs are usually relatively dim and mostly consist of large geometric structures suspended in some enormous void. I've also had immersive landscapes and scenes, but these are more dreamy and not so much behind my eyelids but more "in my head" so to speak. I'm curious what everyone else experiences when they fall into the hole.
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George Crattingfuck - Tue, 04 Jun 2019 11:58:30 EST GbDJnRn7 No.366766 Reply
>>366763

Weed amplifies the sedative body feel and the soupy headspace that I'm in. I don't find that it takes over the trip and I feel an actual "weed high" if that makes sense, it just amplifies certain aspects of the DXM. To very pleasant results I might add.

Weed and DXM go hand in hand for me everytime, but I tend to wait until the DXM has fully kicked in before I smoke up.
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James Pankinchudging - Tue, 04 Jun 2019 12:17:02 EST zQxVoU9f No.366768 Reply
the best hole I ever had was off an ungodly amount of DXM poli, like a 4th plate dose. I remember laying in bed and all of a sudden I had a moment of extreme clarity that I was a disembodied entity, floating gently forward through space, the total black void punctuated by stars twinkling in the infinite distance

all of my /dis/ use has been in chasing that experience
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Rebecca Pockhall - Tue, 04 Jun 2019 15:30:18 EST 26a+hMR3 No.366769 Reply
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>>366646
last night i set up a bath with low purple/pink lights and put on a Susumu Yokota album i had just discovered leading up to the hole; i had dosed 300mg HBr (gel caps) and smoked a bowl / hit a wax pen getting into the bath; i then did a few bumps of K and eased myself into the mindset and ended up swept off my metaphysical feet and holed the hardest i have in the way it happened..

my CEVs were immersive and spiraling, large iridescent / fluorescent (but dim) machinery and cogs and gears drawing me into an incredibly complex and ever undulating machine world where i watched quasi-evolutionary iterations of life forms being created and meshed together into a larger machine. my thoughts were racing with manic ego-centric (at first) relevance as i narrated to myself i was holing and to separate from my floating body. my bath was scented with magnesium salt which helped the weightlessness feeling and body relaxation.

through the hole i rapid-fire explored ideas of my body and how i've been treating it (recently been on a health kick as i'm a stage hand working festivals and have been mega into supplementing protein and creatine and getting a good physical strength about me) alongside shedding prejudiced thoughts about the interactions that might have been troubling my psyche

i zoomed through scenery reminiscent of HR Giger art and felt my body in the tub as a xenomorphic body being replenished and floating in a techno-grotesque womb; saw endless corridors of dark themed machinery that appeared organic and macabre but never too jarring or frightening. the entire time the music was playing was leading me in hindsight to a beat so i could keep myself from spooking myself (mental commands such as "don't worry you'll be done in 20 minutes real time" and dissecting the concept of time as cyclic and whatnot. anyone familiar with CCRU / Nick Land's early work / Lilly and ego etc will understand the outlandish but relevant hyperstitious thoughts)

it was byfar one of the densest psychedelic experiences i've had without involving psychedelia; fractals and interconnections in a clean and fresh sterile thoughtspace; the dxm was definitely a wild card factor but i subsisted.

once i started to come to my OEV was absolutely smashed, some of the most intense fish-eye lens feeling perception i've had (without throwing back three robocough bottles and hitting a bong)



Susumu Yokota - Acid Mt. Fuji full album(1994)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSY1tyuR3WQ

MY PRUSSIAN BLUUUE ELEEEEEECTRIC CLOCK'S

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- Tue, 28 May 2019 00:35:28 EST 3jTm8tij No.366650
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ALARM BELL RINGS, IT WILL NOT STOOOOP

AND I CAN SEE NO END IN SIGHT

AND SEARCH IN VAAAIN BY CAAANDLE LIGHT

FOR SOME LONG ROAD THAT GOES NO WHERE

FOR SOME SIGNPOST THAT ISN'T THEEERE

god fucking DAMN ket and speed is an amazing combo, i feel so fucking amazing

at least i will for the next hour or two
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Phyllis Murdfield - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 18:43:06 EST 3jTm8tij No.366744 Reply
>>366710
i'm drunk and idk what you mean but i holed a lot harder than usually and the visuals surrounding the hole were a lot more vivid and faster than usually, which is to be expected

RX'd Ketamine

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- Wed, 29 May 2019 04:36:01 EST Jw5TWLw0 No.366669
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Anyone here been prescribed ket through a pharmacy (like the inhalers?) I'm tempted to meet a new psych and come clean about my treatment-resistance. But I live in a small city in PA where this may not be common. Also not sure how much that would cost me. Not referring to the infusions.

Thx y'all 💚💜💙
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Graham Bassledadge - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 20:05:29 EST mJzXpVVL No.366722 Reply
>>366669
Nah I don’t hit up the legal drug dealer. Too expensive without insurance. I wouldn’t mind to get some legal opiates or dissociates every month tho. That str8 fire pharma quality tho🔥🔥🔥

Can you take DXM on SSRIs?

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- Fri, 31 May 2019 11:45:30 EST YxG55BPV No.366691
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I take 20mg citalopram daily, and I've read that DXM and SSRIs can cause serotonin syndrome. Is this combination unsafe?
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Esther Bugglemadge - Fri, 31 May 2019 13:55:21 EST mJzXpVVL No.366693 Reply
>>366691
If you want to feel like dying without dying then go for it brother.

Just saying it’s the furthest thing from enjoyable that you can get.
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Esther Bugglemadge - Fri, 31 May 2019 13:55:21 EST mJzXpVVL No.366694 Reply
>>366691
If you want to feel like dying without dying then go for it brother.

Just saying it’s the furthest thing from enjoyable that you can get.

First Time DXM TR

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- Mon, 06 May 2019 22:30:48 EST FUeJGHos No.366372
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Summary of first real trip on DXM:
0000: slam two bottles of tussin
0045: 150mg dph
0045: start smoking a lot of cannabis
0115: feeling decent
0130: oh shit, I feel incredibly drunk and I like "world spinning" effect
0135: I puked several times
0145: I manage to make it to my bed

a few moments later I passed out hard
sound like a typical first time 2nd plateau?
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Sidney Billingham - Tue, 14 May 2019 17:08:50 EST 5CoKFRRV No.366480 Reply
>>366476
Hes 400 fucking pounds dude hes fine itll take more than 5-800mg of DXM to kill that rhino
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Hedda Tootstone - Thu, 30 May 2019 23:01:05 EST +XqJgdZa No.366681 Reply
God what the fuck was I thinking trying DXM at age 29. All I remember is feeling drunk, but not as fun and I just could not stop puking.
I'm sure I'm "doing it wrong" because I am somewhat mentally retarded. I'll give this a shot some day years from now, I'm sure.
No offense, DXM lovers.

FUCKING KET BRAH

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- Mon, 27 May 2019 16:47:37 EST WyYvRYDH No.366640
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What's ketamine like?
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Edwin Dodgechot - Mon, 27 May 2019 23:31:07 EST WyYvRYDH No.366649 Reply
>>366643
I'm buying some and I just want to know what I'm getting into

I've done DXM before but I've heard ket is 100 times better
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Henry Blackbanks - Tue, 28 May 2019 00:47:44 EST KMbSN7fX No.366651 Reply
>>366642
Im a mirage of schizophrenic thought blocking patterns in a desert actually
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Hugh Crupperpore - Tue, 28 May 2019 03:12:09 EST 6sAkZYbz No.366654 Reply
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>>366640
it's wonky

the only thing they really have in common is the dissociation. k isn't as visual or psychedelic (at least until you hole), and it doesn't have all the annoying dxm bodily effects (temperature regulation issues, nausea, etc).

start with small bumps to gauge your sensitivity and how potent your k is. when you get comfortable then go for the hole or ride out the near-hole weirdness.

DXM questions

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- Tue, 21 May 2019 16:58:57 EST H2t8R36y No.366579
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I'm getting more into DXM and /dis/, what's the best DXM dose to feel out of it but not get yourself seriously hurt? Also what's better, HBR or poli?
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Eugene Biblingchidge - Thu, 23 May 2019 18:47:28 EST OoMgiDDf No.366612 Reply
>>366582
You're lifestyle otherwise was likely the cause of your derpification. I've dosed DXM literally hundreds of times and I don't feel worse for wear. Abusing ANY drug will do that to you. Just about any drug will turn your into a drooling Smeagol-esque basement dweller.
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Hannah Claystock - Mon, 27 May 2019 21:18:25 EST SbwfkfyM No.366648 Reply
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>>366612

I wouldn't be so sure you can clearly gauge the cause and effects that affect your consciousness over long periods of time. Not saying you're lying or stupid, or it's impossible to do drugs safely. I'm probably near 100 DXM trips, and definitely have plenty more LSD trips under my belt than that, along with pleeentttyyyyy of weed usage. Although you're right in a sense, I'd be real, REAL fucking careful about over-generalizing about drugs and their possible adverse effects. Every drug is a unique creature, and deserves individual respect and attention if you're going to explore them.

Compelte your salvation fearfully.
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Martin Crashwit - Tue, 28 May 2019 02:44:19 EST ivRuWSAX No.366653 Reply
>>366579
HBR lasts 4ish hours, Poli is half as strong but lasts double as long, about 8ish hours.
Go with HBR for first time.
Use a calculator http://dexcalc.com/
I would recommend 300mg usually for most people though.

dextromethorphan-addicted best friends relishing in their brains' chopping and screwing of data

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- Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:37:39 EST HdYJV3Hj No.365859
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five starcle men were two teenage boys in the 90s living in a desolate area of california, drinking cough syrup like water.

five starcle men's music consists of many tape-loops, noise rock-influenced heavily distorted bass, rough guitar, scratchy vocals due to low-quality recording equipment, and spacey delayed sounds created with random objects. they sample and create electronic beats at times, overlaying them with gurgling noises and melodic polyphonic singing, producing a sound unlike any i've ever heard--a sound reminiscent of the japanese playstation game, 'lsd: dream emulator', being stuck in a computer, being trapped in a middle school dance in the late 90s forever, being the only person with a conscience in a crowd, being in a basement in front of a computer using windows 95, dissociated.
certain tracks, such as 'teen texas concert,' even invoke similar feelings and imagery that proto-vaporwave tends to do, but being entirely genuine without any pretense. this is the sound post-modern, cliche vaporwave artists dream of capturing. yet, the sound and vibe occurs in an entirely organic manner. it is in no way similar to vaporwave conceptually, but their core elements of production are quite similar. the chop and screw technique is executed flawlessly, sounding like strings of data flowing out of a mouth.
the primarily noise rock tracks typically include electronic components, tape loops, and vocal distortion as well, but are have a focus on guitar and conventional rhythms.

these teenagers relished in their new reality and managed to share shards of it via producing hypnagogic and somehow nostalgia-inducing repetitive thought loops on aliens, suburbs, dxm, robots, pizza hut, death, space, religion, and glitches. listening to gomba reject ward japan is the closest thing to being in their bubbles. it feels like the 90s, melting into arcade game screens in a haze, staying up for days on end in a locked room with garbage bags taped over the windows, living on cheetos, creating an echochamber consisting of two people.

often-deadpan, ironic lyricism coupled with jangly, dissonant guitar sets up an almost comical aura to some of five starcle men's work, adding to the cheeky nature. boys will be boys, boys will stay up all night drinking delsym and using guitar feedback as an instrument.

one of the boys killed himself in 1998, the other allegedly eventually studying philosophy, science, and history at a university. they performed small-scale shows, often getting kicked out of establishments due to their music being disliked.
their efforts towards attempting to convey a very specific mindset, an entire world, were not in vain. five starcle men managed to create an entire gateway to their minds through music.
https://youtu.be/JKGMbHqNp5A
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Phineas Honeyman - Fri, 24 May 2019 07:20:36 EST uTC1IJkn No.366619 Reply
>>366554
Thank you! I'm so glad I found this again! I was planning to browse back many pages on /dis/ to find this person's music. I love this music and memphis hip hop. I had not seen the bandcamp yet, so I am so excited to listen to all this now. Thanks again; my weekend just got a lot funner.
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William Hovingsag - Sun, 26 May 2019 16:09:48 EST oaDrIUoz No.366633 Reply
>>366503
the gerogerigege, the boredoms, hanatarash, whitehouse, sonic youth are all good

Further ketamine courage

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- Thu, 23 May 2019 22:25:29 EST WcPSsBtc No.366615
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So ive done ketamine like nine or ten times in my life and

The past few times ive gotten so far before the entire trip just seems too uncomfortable to.continue

And i dont mean uncomfy as in dark but, i always seem to hear what seems to sound like a very loud motorboat engine that gets slower in frequency then i start to feel like my brain is fighting against inbuilt code like my brain is about to blue screen of death and like there is pressure inside my brain really internally restless

No way to relax
I swear it wasnt always like this, should i just keep taking lots to push myself over the threshold towards a khole?

I also get horrific feelings of deja vu like shits gonna spin and spin and collapse

Kind of like when you see cameras being spun around fast and fast inCREDIBLY rapidly from their nown perspective and the horrison becomes like a piece of wirebeing spin like a jump roap
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Augustus Fanforth - Fri, 24 May 2019 06:10:14 EST YSiUXqx3 No.366617 Reply
>>366615
I would say to either lower the dose or take way more to guarentee a k-hole. You're on a level where you have a little control so you're trying to hold on. If you take a bigger dose you have no choice but to let go. Nothing bad will happen and you'll come back in an hour.
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Ian Wogglewill - Sat, 25 May 2019 20:10:08 EST 6sAkZYbz No.366630 Reply
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>>366615
There's no way around the sense of deja vu. Do you listen to music when you're doing this? I think music is essential to higher doses of dissociatives. I think they mess with time perception too much at those doses to not have something to orient yourself toward temporally. I listen to a lot but I prefer ambient or downtempo electronic (Aphex Twin, Carbon Based Lifeforms, Tipper, Oneotrix Point Never, Autechre). Whatever you like can work though.

You might be getting stuck on the threshold between waking and holing. The cognitive hallucinations at that stage can get gnarly. If you can clear your mind it's less frightening. Meditation and experience can help with that. Laying in a dark room with music can make it easier to slip into the hole. Or you can just take a big dose and force yourself down.

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