/dis/ Dissociative Discussion
I'm going to obliterate my humanity. I'm sick and tired of being tugged around by biological urges, tired of the lack of love and tired of the world collapsing under the sheer mass of humankind, a world that's lost its spirit. I study and exercise and work every waking hour out of desperation. I simply want to escape this pit.The only two exits I see are 1) suicide, which I'll never allow my personal enemies to see to and 2) become more than human. Sigma activity and MXE opened my eyes to the possibility and necessity of profound psychological change. Hate and loathing are the primary driver of my actions, but those too have to be replaced by the more efficient phencyclidine/DMT induced states of mind.Then there's the technological side which I'm addressing in my "real life". I need physical control over the mind, I need the tools and the people to get me there. I pray for respite. Please tell me one of you understand my desires.
Oh yes i can totally understand where you're coming from with this , the world is full of shit and downright a giant machine at this point, and we're nothing more than cogs in the schematic of things. But there's also so much to long for without having to evolve into something more. I guess that, it's not wrong or bad what you're thinking, just too real
Null and Void. Oblivion! Crawling Chaos, the infinite reach in outward and into and through it all, the fractal and entropy. Fuck Humans.
Try taking a walk in some pretty natural nature.
>>364148"It's too real," I like that. I look back at my life now and I see how some of us were destined for one ruinous existence or another and it bothers me. Look at all these broken shapes on the street and decaying buildings. Echoes of what could have been, but no one ever bothered with them.
>>364150I'm going to take a dip in the void, don't mind me, nothing more natural than a world of garbage...
Yes, I feel you. Substances are like a flitting bird though. Each class will show you a different aspect of yourself and/or what the world is (through your eyes anyway) but you will have to take the step toward creating a network of people that understandyou are not the best at "being human" or at the very least...need help doing "normal" people things. If that's not what you were suggesting then idk. That's my issue. Figuring out how to pilot my spirit through the astral realms...not an issue. Figuring out how to have a day job and flow in the hum drum. Real challenge, one that I know I need help with. Highs/lows are life. It is a cycle. Everyone wants the high...but the lows are refine you. That I'm sure we all could help each other with in our own ways.
holotropic breathwork + dxmthank me later
I'm mever usually "that guy" but you should seriously consider learning about Sanatana Dharma
>>364156>>364158>>364159My emotional state needs work for sure, not sure how effective I can really be when I'm like this. Think it'll work itself out, also that Orthodox Hinduism that was mentioned what is that all about? It's pre-caste so I assume pre-white invasion if there was such a thing? What's so special about it?>>364155Well I am a normal person, nominally, besides my inability to develop emotional intimacy. This is more about intolerance of the human condition. How do I find people who aren't like H+ biohackers installing magnets in their fingers? What you're describing is a deep dive into government facilities or university labs, foreign countries. I would love to help too, I think the new flesh is something best done in time... I need to be the ultimate asset first, eliminating people from my life who don't share my vision you know? Purity might take years
>>364163That is a process...if you want to engage in a gov career you have to plan ahead. There are steps.
hop a freight train.
>>364176In a single bound bitch. See you at the after party.
I had a strange experience the other day. Right as I came to the conclusion that I couldn't do anything besides what I was already doing, that there was only one path to take, a single shooting star flew across the sky. Later went walking down America's seediest avenue telling people I was chasing dragons."8. We stand on the last promontory of the centuries!... Why should we look back, when what we want is to break down the mysterious doors of the Impossible? Time and Space died yesterday. We already live in the absolute, because we have created eternal, omnipresent speed. "Maybe, during our lifetime if we're lucky, we'll see lighting strike the Earth and the whole world will finally wake up. Frankly if the original futurists were alive today they might say the only way to rationally exist now is to be in a 3-ho/3-meo induced hypomania at all times. Making sense stopped making sense a long time ago...Godspeed /dis/ just make sure you try novel dissociatives at every opportunity k?
"4. We affirm that the world’s magnificence has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. A racing car whose hood is adorned with great pipes, like serpents of explosive breath - a roaring car that seems to ride on grapeshot is more beautiful than the Victory of Samothrace."
i feel like a non human as well.i feel like im just waiting here for events i dont know about. just watching things unfoldalso i feel more alive in dreams than real life
>>364277Are you okay with that? Being a passenger and all?
>>364279Not the person you relpied to, but our belief doesn't change the truth of our lives. If we are passengers there's nothing we can do to change that. However, I don't think it's possible to know whether free will exists, so all we can do is commiserate.
>>364281There are pretty convincing arguments against free will but point taken. Assuming we are the ultimate passengers then, we're merely here to witness an unfolding of events. You think you're in control but no. It's all just causal. Certain drives, urges, desires and beliefs are all a product of determinism I suppose. Some people will have them others won't. Is this the truth of our lives... then it allows for my beliefs to affect your own. We could do so much more than commiserate.
>>364279the world will go on if you are watching or not. i dont think ill ever be in a position where i feel like ill not be a passenger on this planet. im not in control. nobody really is but there are illusions of control. the only thing u can control is yourself.
>>364282That's holographic theory
>>364331But is it Zen and the Art of Motorcycles? Explain. The original holographic theory was based on surface fluctuations at an event horizon collapsing any internal equations...
>>364333>art of motorcyclesi always knew valentino rossi was the answer to life
>art of motorcycles
I feel like biological lifeforms are not evolved to be relevant to my personal interests. I feel like I'm overdetermined by my biological nature, and I only know a shade of a pure mind. I'm only able to precept a tiny part of an endless chaos. I feel like I'm biological machine, my conscious self is an illusion, existung only in some limited contexts of its inner or social realms.And I'm willing to devote or sacrifice my life for the liberation of the intelligent life from the biological limitations and for subsequent rise of posthumanity.
About free will I feel like compatibilist. It may exist in some realms, like a holigraphical image, depending of the point of view. And playing with my own feelings about existance if the free will or reality of the absolute predetermination, I can manipulate my own stance toward different situations of life.What i certainly do not think exist for me — ultimate and solemn truth.
>>364339There's just something about the way he wiggles his fingers when he grips the throttle getting on. I mean you know he's felt that same grip a hundred times before but he's just prepping his overly tuned nervous system for another circuit destroying win. What a fucking god."To progress again, man must remake himself. And he cannot remake himself without suffering. For he is both the marble and the sculptor. In order to uncover his true visage he must shatter his own substance..."Surpass the master, then surpass yourself.>>364365It's gets weird when you start talking about recursive circuits like perhaps what happens in claustrum/claustrum-PFC connections, I don't exactly know and I can't rule out the possibility of a will arising from nothing. All I really know is that I'm glad we're both insects on the same sinking ship and running for our lives and I really honestly think we have a chance. So you don't see yourself as a passenger, I suppose that means you are/aren't. So now what... how do you proceed? Anything specific in mind?Also I love your cat, how can I pet it? Does it like having it's back scratched?
i think the desire to transcend the body is itself an incredibly 'human' sentiment.
>>364365I’m down to join you if you have ideas
>>364436Do you want a machine assisted PCP suicide cult?Because this is how you get a machine assisted PCP suicide cult
>>364434more "human" than human, as the phrase goes
yall silly lmao, but it's understandable, we rendered biological evolution obsolete and have yet to developed the science and society to deal with that fact
>>364147Without the weight of humanity pressing down on the world, a lack of weight equates directly to a lack of substance. The world without weight is hollow shell; what is left is a cavity, a void, an empty container. The weight is what gives life significance and meaning. Life without the weight of humanity is like the universe without gravity--endless chaos, a sea of white noise so blurred that all interpretations of observing it are equally true and false. It can appear black, white, fuzzy, and smooth simultaneouslyl such is the meaning of meaningless disorder and chaos, to have any and all meanings derived from it be equally true and false so as to say nothing at all.What's left in the wake of abandoning your responsibility as a space cowboy of carrying that weight is nihilism, ennui, depression, and suffering. It takes real effort to sustain the weight of our humanity, but doing so is what gives us the chance to appreciate and make sense of our reality. It's the only action with any possibility of reward or meaning available to us, lest we live our lives as though we might as well be dead or not exist at all for all the difference it makes. It's the only thing that makes experiencing love in any form possible at all. If you don't care about something enough that losing it means reciprocally suffering in equal measure to the love you have for it, then love is not something you can experience. Suffering and love are therefore experiences inexorably linked to one another. You can not take without also giving; there is a cyclical ebb and flow. You cannot derive something from nothing.
>>364487Oh you don't get something for nothingYou don't get freedom for freeYou won't get wiseWith the sleep still in your eyesNo matter what your dreams might be.
Self improvement is good and should be exciting, just lose the whole "more than human" attitude because that is egoistic and ironically a very human tendency. Make stronger and smarter what you are, in reality, then stay down on earth where you can use those things to your advantage - not up in the clouds where you are alienated and sadly weakened socially and spiritually in the pursuit of physical and psychological prowess.. you would be better off removing a limb or a lobe of your brain than to remove your humanness, I am sorry to say.
>>364563>weakened spirituallyAu contraire I feel better than ever. I don't think the egotism of it all matters (or whether or not it's a human tendency...) and yeah it might a lonely road but that's nothing compared to the ever present fatigue. Alienated from who exactly by the way? People who spend their lives grazing are not my peers. Alsso, not to be pedantic but your body is part of your humanness. >up in the clouds More like right around the corner. 50 years until AGI+? 40% of the labor force displaced by 2050? Farther ahead the population boom in Africa and the rest of the 3rd world? The reality. I don't want to be a part of that world, do you? Why do you covet your humanity so much, because you have no recourse?
>up in the clouds
we all might be starseeds
>>364570im confused unless i misunderstood your op you desire to destroy your humanity and "not to be pedantic but," your ego is part of your humanity correct?
>>364492I THINK IM GOIN BALD
>>364696I hadn't heard of that one! Thanks
I understand your desires, and I am known as a spiritual guru of sorts. Try some OSHO meditations, they're really freeing and help you develop a understanding for what meditation is. OSHO was my dead master for a while, he has so many books you can just read and reflect on your life with the words on the page. And I totally agree drugs delute the experience and it almost hurts your passion because all you have to do is pop a pill or snort a line and you feel enlightened. I'm doing my best to keep sober to keep up my own brain, the brain needs naurishing, it needs to know you care enough to eat well and help yourself. Your brain obviously knows you care, you do everything humanly possible to maintain your sanity, and that is amazing. I'd be extremely proud of a student like you, you're totally on your way to enlightenment and I strongly believe the rest of your life will be better for reaching out on a board that understands. Dissociative users understand your pain more than anybody, they wouldn't do DXM if they were happy and content with the way society was, they would just be natural human beings and experience joy in the little things. Alot of what enlightenment really is, is helping people understand the person you are, so they change around you. But as OSHO said, nobody understands an enlightened person, except of course other enlightened people. So as you enlighten yourself just remember not to be too preachy, because that shit pisses people off, and try your best to just understand the non enlightened peoples needs too, help them with the little things and be there for them in times of need, because that's just the way humanity should be, even if the person is a total brainwashed tard who you believe deserves to burn in a pit, they are people too. Everyone is trying, they believe they are trying as hard as they possibly can, even people like Trump who's completely useless and doesn't help anybody but his bank account. He's trying. Just like you are. I'm proud of you Anon, you're obviously very smart, and trying is the next best thing to doing what you understand to be right. So keep up the good work man. You deserve every good thing that comes to you :)
Ugh the simplification of out standing individuals into loose psychological definitions.
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