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do yall ever feel like total fags?

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- Sun, 30 Mar 2014 15:21:49 EST lK6ODI1l No.12900
File: 1396207309948.jpg -(462913B / 452.06KB, 800x533) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. do yall ever feel like total fags?
I just don't imagine any of you have any actual military experience or have ever been anywhere near to a survival situation outside of your fantasies.

Not that military experience is the only prerequisite to this, but it's one example and it seems like, besides hunters, they're maybe the only group of people with actual experience where a survival situation where education/know-how/toolkit would be necessary. The rest of you are just bored losers fantasizing about a societal breakdown so you can have excitement in your empty lives.

Pic related, they're what I call "Airsoft Veterans", grown men who take their roleplaying a little too seriously and have no sense of irony about how pathetic they are. It's the kind of person I think of when I skim these conversations in this board.
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pumpmypimp - Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:09:56 EST rSZkq1H+ No.15010 Reply
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>>14991
Jesus maybe, except the last time he was here he got a really bad deal from his own people, via the Romans. And as for the big G, good luck with that bad fictional boy.
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Thomas Huppermore - Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:01:23 EST 4wpJFH1P No.15025 Reply
>>14991
K but pretty sure in the New Testament Christ make multiple references on how it's important to develop skills to take care of yourself...

Survival shelters, download cabins, etc.

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- Sat, 03 Oct 2020 22:26:25 EST Og3LGrms No.15018
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I'm a big fan of the conestoga style of shelter, both for ease of construction and it's relative lack of easily identifiable straight edges. It can be made with thin green poles and finished with evergreen bough's or it can be made with 16 ft steel cattle panels and finished with a tarp. Pic related.

What is your favorite style of shelter and what is your preferred method of construction?[
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Barnaby Gunkinkedge - Thu, 08 Oct 2020 22:36:57 EST Og3LGrms No.15023 Reply
>>15020
C'mon man, be clear. Are you saying your preferred SHTF shelter is elaborate, as in fancy, or are you asking me to elaborate?

What would you take?

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- Tue, 22 Nov 2016 03:13:31 EST V9l3Wd1c No.14460
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I used stuff i actually own
My Chiapa.22 m1 carbine
40 rounds hollowpoint
My Python
20 hollowpoint
My AR with 3-5x scope, torch, angled foregrip, probably make a silencer
210 fmj
Cheap pvs14
Soft armor
Aiii pack multicam(kicks ass btw)
Cheap softshell coyote
Shemagh
Hoodie
Thermals
Food
Taclight
First aid kit(ifak)
Duluth waterproof pants
Black leather combat boots panama sole(waterproofed)
Pretty much it
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Phyllis Subblecocke - Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:16:18 EST bG2K0oBf No.14558 Reply
>stuff I own

backpack with change of clothes
pocket knife
rope
I'd wear the good boots
lighter
water bottle
guitar
wristwatch
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Navydoc83 - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 21:18:48 EST TH2o3qV4 No.14998 Reply
>>14460
sig p250 .45 2 mags + 2 -50 rd Hp
Tar21 + 200 rd
ZT G10 350 knife
my unit 1 first aid
Multicams
tactical flash lite
food
thermals
NVG's
Merrill combat shoes
whats ever left in my BOB
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Betsy Gunninglut - Sat, 03 Oct 2020 22:16:36 EST Og3LGrms No.15017 Reply
My current state of preparedness: one folding crosscut saw, one east German folding e-tool, two multi tools, one zippo lighter, theo ferrosteel fire lighters, one magnifying lens, one mess kit, two rat traps, roll of gorilla tape, various OTC meds, fishing line + hooks, 100 ft nylon rope, 2 small pulleys, 30° sleeping bag, wool/acrylic blend army blanket, hand crank radio/flashlight combo, camp axe, deck of playing cards, various dry food items, Gammo .22 air rifle with scope, two part epoxy paste, sewing machine oil, orange flagging tape, 3 mil trash bags, 64 oz stainless water bottle, 7x7 silver/brown tarp, 3 man Coleman dome tent. This all in/on my Kelty frame pack. I also have a pair of good leather boots, clothing for all seasons and conditions, binocs and trekking poles.

What I don't have is any supply caches in my area and now that the weather is turning shitty it'll be late spring before I can start working on that.

Food Dood

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- Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:37:50 EST 7CixSROy No.14992
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Aside from cooking with fire, what others steps need to be taken to prevent parasites in food from natural environments?
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Fucking Nickleford - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 23:52:31 EST NnORbEIt No.14994 Reply
>>14993
This is an old Fudd myth. Rabbits and every other type of wild game host parasites all year round. Sometimes the relative abundance of which types of parasites change but it's never safe to assume winter game is somehow less parasite-ridden and take risks on cooking temperature because of it (not to mention if you live in a region where the winter months don't dip down into frost temperatures at all). Remember that many parasites cannot be seen by the naked eye.

>>14992
Stewing is the safest means of cooking a type of meat because it removes the second-guessing that not having a meat thermometer entails. Slow roasting comes in second. Have a supply of boiled water on hand always. Wash your vegetables and fruits thoroughly. Diseases are in the soil and the water. It's never safe to assume - during any season - that your forage is free from infectious material. Again, long stewing removes this risk entirely but is only palatable for root vegetables and other long-cooking hardy staples. Parasites aren't the only risk out there. Many bacterial and viral infections will kill you a lot quicker than intestinal worms will.

Sanitizing the natural environment outside of food is also a huge issue. Most tribes who live and breathe off the soil also have high abundance of parasites in their guts. It's close to unavoidable even with a sufficiently advanced understanding of environmental pathology. Pinworms are common even in our civilized and sanitized world of industrial supply chains. In an apocalypse situation, you will have as much problems as any hunter-gatherer tribe does today. More, likely, given you're coming from a world of abundance. Keeping the hands clean and soil/cross contaminated foods from your mouth will be a constant struggle. Every surface you use in the wild is liable to end up contaminated before long. Learning to make soap from wood ash and tallow is an excellent strategy to consider learning, but mind that washing with soap is most effective when paired with fabric to wipe down a surface. Many cosmopolitan wild foragables like stinging nettles can be woven with enough experience in such matters. Practice these skills now before you have no choice later.

Having a supply of anthelmintic medication will only last you until it runs out. It would be wise to study the herbal medicines of the indigenous peoples of your area to learn what purgatives they used for heavy parasitic infection - with the corollary that many of these plants will be toxic to you in larger quantities. Study carefully as to how these ancient peoples actually employed these tonics before you assume anything about their properties, and pay careful mind to lookalikes that are dangerous in any dose, how their compounds vary with the seasons, and other numerous factors to consider. If indigenous tribes still employ traditional healers in your region, it would be wise to consider volunteer work in order to learn the ins-and-outs of what is and isn't safe. Raw garlic in both its wild and cultivated forms has been used against parasitic infection for millennia and is also quite safe beyond transient gastrointestinal upset. Consider taking botanical seeds or cuttings with you in the intent to start a garden if you're not prepared to learn the complexities of foraged medicines.
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Thomas Nillerline - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 20:49:23 EST /v/TKw0h No.14995 Reply
>>14994

>Sometimes the relative abundance of which parasites change
>never safe to assume winter game is somehow less parasite ridden.

It certainly does help reduce the chances of the more serious ones and also gets rid of the possibilities of ticks which carry serious disease. Everyone out here knows summer is bug season, doesn't mean they're not all inedible though. Just check your game thoroughly and discard if infested, at the very least cook it thoroughly. I would never take the chance on infested meat crawling with parasites and be willing to risk serious illness unless it was over death by starvation... though some are harmless like Rice Breast in ducks and can be removed or eaten after cooked though personally I would always remove the infected parts if possible.


I do agree bout the indigenous uses of herbal treatments and medicines, one will absolutely need to rely on them... great grandmother was an herbalist raised Cherokee and was comfortable with the land, always used herbs to treat my grandfather when sick and made teas, balms, and other meds from what was around.... incredible woman.

A few basic ones are cattails, the clear jelly of the stalk can be used to treat wounds and the stalk itself can be blanched and eaten with the fluff of the cattail makes for great firestarter material...

Another forage easy to use are dandelion, every part can be eaten. The sap is high in vitamin C and can be used as an insecticidal, antifungal, and germicidal ointment to treat the skin for different purposes from warts to other issues and wounds.

Pine needle tea is another excellent one that can be drank orally or used as a skin/mouth wash and to clean wounds as well.

Goodluck and keep learning OP.
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Betsy Gunninglut - Sat, 03 Oct 2020 21:55:39 EST Og3LGrms No.15016 Reply
So much of foraging depends on the region. Areas of low biodiversity tend to have much higher parasite loads which is double fucked because game is so much more limited 8n those places. Areas of high rainfall have high fungus and mold loads which will spoil food more quickly.

Here are some basic tips for food preservation: salting and smoking meat is a good way to preserve food, but be sure it's safe meat to start with. Fish is probably the safest meat you can get.
Dehydrating is also good but dried food requires constant protection from moisture. Again, salt can help with this, as can dealing your dried food in wax (parafin or beeswax).
A summer garden of storage vegetables is well worth the effort when food supplies run low in the winter. A garden plot may even bring game that can be hunted or trapped.
Know the wild edibles in your area! Most places that aren't desert are filled to bursting with wild edible plants that can be harvested in a survival situation. Learn to identify edibles and their non edible lookalikes.
Consider bugs as a food source. Taking the same precautions against parasites, many insects can be harvested for food. Wood grubs in particular are a very tasty source of protein and fat. Crickets, grasshoppers and locust can carry tapeworms so cook and grind them if this is all you can find.

Post - apocalyptic

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- Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:18:36 EST rSZkq1H+ No.15011
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Frankly all this stuff is a little out of whack, from any reality that I have ever experienced or seen. Living in the current Covid-19 of America lends some credence as to what might happen. Where is your leader? What is he NOT doing to help America deal with this problem, oh I know, 'not much other than doing fuck all'!
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Simon Pirrykack - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 05:57:42 EST igE1seju No.15013 Reply
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>>15012
>>15011
basically every film depiction of this scenario already warned us this was how it goes.

> Shit hits the fan
> Leaders dip the fuck out
> nobody else is important
> Society crumbles
> literal Concrete Jungle
> citizens left to fend for themselves
> coups and various groups are formed
> everyone fights
> world as we knew it just ends
> No real solution in sight
> WalkingDead.mpeg
> Purge.jpg
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John Cringerfon - Tue, 29 Sep 2020 03:54:29 EST 4rcK1hjf No.15014 Reply
This board was way more active before the apocalypse.

did you

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- Sat, 13 May 2017 10:48:09 EST QiMaW5/L No.14567
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ever read or watch SF from decades or more ago and see weird anachronisms like they're still reading newspapers in the future or there's one big computer instead of a network, housephones, zeppelins, then you wonder what from current SF is it that there won't be in the future, the one really glaring error, the thing the future won't have because it's just so impractical, that no-one's really predicting?
I figured it out. It's people. Us. The great filter is approaching; asteroids, Martian climates or hard AI or MAD war over dwindling resources. 100 years left, the countdown is set. This species, maybe the whole planet, is fucked.

I reckon the accelerationists have it right; if we speed up enough, transfer our consciousness, make ourselves small and hard and fast then maybe, maybe some version, some remnant of us will punch through. Hard wired beneath the planet's surface. But it isn't looking likely. Post-apocalypse, post-human, post-consciousness. We're leaving behind a dead planet, boys. The dust storms are going to tear our monuments to pieces.
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Represent - Tue, 16 May 2017 19:21:31 EST ge++cQK4 No.14570 Reply
>>14567
I sometimes love, sometimes hate the anachronisms in good old SF books. By the way, I'm a huge Philip K. Dick fan. I agree with all you said in the second part of your post and the monuments are the last thing I worry about.
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Heather !VZj063fzwU - Wed, 23 May 2018 01:14:42 EST pWyizGRK No.14727 Reply
>>14567
That's why I listen to Radio Free Albemuth.
*badumts*
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Nicholas Fucklestone - Mon, 17 Aug 2020 10:48:22 EST ciOPuBGb No.15009 Reply
Your predictions are completely wrong. Things won't get so bad in 100 years, and humans dying out is nearly impossible. SciFi also shouldn't try to hard to be accurate about the future, bc this would put to many constraints on the storyteller.

Any data preppers?

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- Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:43:45 EST iIEWr0aj No.14698
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I'm going to start collecting videos and books of how-tos on a ton of survival info. From basic first aid to complex surgeries, car repairs, navigation, weather. Almost anything I can think of. I think 1tb should be more than enough.

I figure all you need is a power source and you can charge whatever, a car on the side of the road will charge your phone/laptop/tablet. Plus you can transfer it around on USBs. The only downfall I can see is something breaking, but at that point, you'd have already copied it multiple times.
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John Dartville - Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:28:47 EST yJlL54GU No.15007 Reply
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>>14698
yeah I'm collecting all the priceless stupid shit that b posts
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John Dartville - Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:30:17 EST yJlL54GU No.15008 Reply
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>>15007
another sample for yall who'll never see it again until the next utopian uprising/ascension

In case of a civil war

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- Wed, 27 Jun 2018 21:05:15 EST 95e1iXrP No.14737
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I live in a deeply red area and most the people know me as a liberal. Already I have had eggs thrown at me and had people cut me off on cross walks. I got a 60 year old mother to take off of and I live on Kodiak, that little island off the south coast.

What do I do?
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Esther Funnerfeck - Wed, 05 Aug 2020 20:29:45 EST ciOPuBGb No.15004 Reply
"Liberal" = moderate Leftist/Internationalist or worse...

Beurocratic dystopia or post-apocalyptic wasteland?

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- Wed, 14 Dec 2016 10:48:38 EST U08FLdq/ No.14469
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I know that everybody preps for scenario 2 because, let's face it, guns and ammo and abandoned building are way more fun than surveillance and wage-slavery

But really it feels like scenario 1 is what "post-apocalyptic" looks more like in today's context. how the fuck do you prepare for *that*?
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Basil Clallerspear - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:52:19 EST SRyinRxC No.14990 Reply
>>14680
USSR collapse never happened. You all was infants, when first bombs landed. This realm is purgatory. World ended decades ago. You are ghosts, yes. You never grew into adults or children even. Whole world already destroyed.
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John Punningnadging - Thu, 30 Jul 2020 14:42:10 EST PP54vykL No.15001 Reply
ok so 4 years later i guess the best answer is just, uh

stay home or wear a mask?

oh or i guess you can always die. third option.
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Nicholas Bleshferk - Sat, 01 Aug 2020 18:42:45 EST ciOPuBGb No.15002 Reply
If you can live away from cities, what's the problem? With 3D printing, open source AI and robotics becoming cheaper and cheaper you can have comfort and solitude Including Robowaifus at some point, so you won't even need to care about a woman.
Capital can flow free with crypo currencies, though you need someone to accept it. But if, then the whole world opens up, even places which are uninhabitable for the locals since they can't live from the land.

Publications:

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- Sat, 28 Jan 2017 13:55:07 EST eZiEFTXh No.14494
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What publications do you follow in preparation for the collapse of the current system?

I tend to trust the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists to keep me informed.
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Nigel Sennerson - Wed, 01 Mar 2017 13:22:02 EST PV3mpdV8 No.14545 Reply
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Been reading this since I was 12, every issue is filled with self reliance and off the grid, also firearms, building, and other skills.
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Doris Sevingnark - Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:24:13 EST AwsDm5yn No.15000 Reply
>>14494
Books by Tom Brown are goat. I have tested his methods for tracking and building structures out of stuff in the woods are very reliable. He has methods for making small impromptu shelters and larger ones.

Drugs in post apoc

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- Mon, 21 Apr 2014 10:48:10 EST 3TTLvUOk No.12986
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Now since this is a drug board.

What drugs do you take with you? I'd set up a mobile meth lab and be meth'd out constantly, and have a hydro grow set up for weed and opium in the RV. A little bit of meth keeps the mind sharp and the paranoia extreme. Good for this situation I'd say.

>spun out on uncut shard
>sniping zombies for hours daily
>manufacturing drugs

Sounds damn fun
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Is shit hitting the fan? - Fri, 20 Mar 2020 12:13:05 EST PP54vykL No.14959 Reply
HARM REDUCTION: stock up on your kits or prepare for involuntary withdrawal kids. no joke.
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Tamrock Jones - Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:57:27 EST SV9pfEJE No.14976 Reply
I would do meth in any situation
User is currently banned from all boards
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m - Sat, 25 Jul 2020 09:10:04 EST 3xJFa2ie No.14999 Reply
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>>14950
Yup this, except generally for antibiotics, and even then most just become less potent. The main exception is I believe tetracycline and possibly a few other related antibiotics, which do indeed very slowly expire by transforming into a hepatoxic poison. I haven't looked it up in years, but tetracycline outside of direct sunlight and extended air/moisture exposure is definitely non-toxic for at least a year, possibly 1.5-2 years (though I'd never consume expired tetracycline).

For essentially all remotely common recreational psychoactive drugs in pharma-grade pressed tablet or filled capsules (so excluding say sugary syrups, liquid suspensions in general, or maybe say gelling sublingual films like suboxone), they'll maintain at least 90%+ of original potency for easily 10-20 years, EVEN if they were left exposed to the air the entire time whilst undergoing extensive temperature changes from being left in a car. Even then, the worst case scenario is simply less potent drugs. None of them become toxic.

If they're in closed, dry Rx bottles out of direct sunlight and kept at room temperature/stable semi-cold temps, then expect them to only degrade something silly like a maximum of 0.25-0.5% potency reduction per 1 year of storage (e.g. retaining 75% of original potency after aging 100 years).

>update

Still hoarding my extra bupe doses, though my daily dose has occasionally creeped upward vs. 2 years ago. Regardless, every month I manage to stash away at least 2 more months of meds, though the ratio fluctuates from 2:1 and 5:1 in terms of the # of extra months doses I save up every month. In a pinch I could adjust down to 5:1 without much discomfort, though. Realistically the stash contains like ~5-8 years worth at 4mg/day, or I guess like ~10-16 years worth at 2mg/day if I had to IV.

Unfortunately I have no real sizable amphetamine reserves, though (apart from recent script). So I took over a month off CT to reset my tolerance and start on a lower dose. Here's to hoping I can manage to get by on at most 50-67% of my daily scripted dose so I can actually build up reserves, no matter how slowly.

Oh yeah...guess who was smart and bought over 10 N95 masks in Jan/Feb? This guy lol. The N95 masks with the unfiltered exhale valve in particular are quite comfortable, even for hours. If you want to reduce exposure to others, you can wear a typical basic disposable hospital mask layered onto of the N95 and its exhale valve. That way, you filter in via N95, but can breath out semi-comfortably through a non-rated mask barrier filter. It totally beats using a full N95 mask that is twice as hard to breathe on (though of course I'd force myself to use a full one if I was forced to not socially distance for long time periods).

Even without a second layer though, I'm convinced wearing a mask with an exhale valve (depending on the nature of the valve) is still safer for those around you than not wearing a mask at all, as it seems to significantly reduce particle travel distance for high risk behavior (coughing, or in particular sneezing).


Anyone else here sharp enough to grab N95s/N100s/P95s/P100s/KN95s before it was too late? I paid I think like $6.50ea for the pack of 5 non-medical N95s w/ exhale valves, ~$8-9ea for a small 8 "pack" of proper medical dual filtering KN95s, and ~$10-12ea for just 4 of the dual filtering N95s from 3M. This must have been around maybe mid to late Feb at the latest.

For comparison, someone I know who works in a dental office has a boss forking out fucking $45-53 per Chinese KN95 right now (Chinese knockoff equivalent of the US N95, probably ~99% as effective as the N95, if they're even real). Their distributor was charging $25-35 each in March, and were completely unavailable by early April up until about late June.

If I hadn't already stocked up on at least 1-2 masks for every immediate family member, I'd seriously pay like $40-60 for a full N95/KN95 or ~$50-70 for a non-medical N95 w/ exhale valve right now. You can reuse the hell out of them if you let them properly dry out by leaving in the direct sun in your car or by being put in the oven for like 30-90min at ~150F. Just make sure you are CLEAN shaven every single day you plan to use a N95, otherwise its effectiveness is greatly reduced.

<cough>

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- Wed, 11 Mar 2020 10:06:56 EST PP54vykL No.14951
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<cough cough>


ha-ACHOO!!
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Phineas Blinderstone - Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:53:19 EST 726HhSRU No.14975 Reply
>>14970
Why would Superman be susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 when he's not even from Earth?!?
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Edwin Forringspear - Wed, 13 May 2020 14:31:12 EST zj9t0VSO No.14984 Reply
>>14975
If he can knock up his coworker, he's gotta be close enough to human to at least have some cells the virus can bind to. Imagine if superman mutated the virus... know what? Don't imagine that. The comic industry is so braindead and bankrupt in all ways now, that I bet someone would write it and it would get produced, causing more plants to be wasted on paper that is literary garbage from the moment it's printed.
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Isabella Clayhall - Fri, 22 May 2020 06:46:41 EST 7lRX3zk4 No.14986 Reply
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>>14974
ew why are these people eating with their hands? There is literally no reason to eat with your hands if you're aware that chopsticks and spoons exist. Also, this guy wasn't raised in Malaysia, so he probably used a spoon his whole life before he decided to start using his hands. We are evolving backwards, you guys.


Survival clothes

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- Sun, 02 Nov 2014 12:21:50 EST 8msYObjP No.13565
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I recently chilled with a buddy of mine that's a survivalist and he really liked the coat I had (pic related, tried to get the best shot I could of the pockets). It has a waterproof zipper on the front and some hidden pockets on the inside. Anyways, he mentioned maybe putting some velcro on those inside pockets to make them more secure for running and it got my mind moving. Any other ideas on making this jacket better in case society falls apart? I'm personally kicking around trying to incorporate a hood I can attach with a zipper or something for harsher weather. Also, I guess general tactical/apocalypse fashion thread.
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Danny Thunder - Fri, 01 May 2020 11:44:29 EST uIK8mdEU No.14979 Reply
You might like zipper pockets and stuff.
They hold your stuff in the pocket so the stuff doesn't fall out.

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