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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

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- Fri, 07 Jun 2013 02:15:45 EST hHiAhvC4 No.11367
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When SHTF, we tend to have ideas about survival, government, fuel, and food. But what about the stuff that makes life worth living?

I'm talking about booze, of course. Eventually, the liquor reserves of the world will run dry. Luckily, I know how to make some good old mountain dew. Perfect for trade, and fuel, and above all else, morale.

Does anyone else have a similar skill set?
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Matilda Broffingpin - Fri, 07 Jun 2013 19:00:04 EST BVv5Ztw4 No.11376 Reply
>>11367
i grow shit.. you name it, i can grow it. i know the science and have the skills. alcohol is fine and dandy, but everyone needs to eat... not everyone needs a "morale" adjustment.
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James Brookgold - Fri, 07 Jun 2013 20:57:51 EST obP7Ew41 No.11378 Reply
Well you can start at the basics for alcohol.

maths version
(Water + Sugar) + yeast(*) + 2 weeks= Alcohol
*in a sterile container, with the lid on with only a tiny hole to let the CO2 out.

Ratios of water to sugar to strength
12:1 = beer 5-8%
12:3 = wine 10-20%
12:5 = spirit 30-50%
Distillation can take it higher, If you can boil at just less than 80C for a about and hour or so.
So to make beer with a 30 pint barrel about 2.5/30 of it will be sugar and plant matter the rest, water.

Yeast, You can use any, But if you are using bakers yeast, cooking yeast or any others that are designed for high temp then you're going to have to use a very strong flavor to compensate for that sweaty bread taste and even then it'll taste rather nasty unless distilled or left for a month or two after fermentation.
If you want good shit, you'll be lucky to find some, want you should do is buy one now, find one you like. and farm the little guys through division and feeding.

Sugar, If it's a plant it's got sugar in there somewhere, Except for Roots, Leafs and Stems. You want flowers, buds, fruits, veg basically, if it looks like you would eat it or cook it , then you can probably use it for brewing. This is also where you will get all of your flavour so mix and matching is a worthwhile pursuit.
Also granulated sugar(slower,nicer) or caster sugar(faster,bad taste) and icing sugar (goo). If you have it, use it. It'll make it stronger. Except syrup, Save up enough syrup and molasses and you can make rum.

Water, clean, boiled preferably.

That's about it for what you need to know, there's a bunch of science to it. But it's not that important, not to mention guessing is more fun just loosely stick to the ratio and it'll probably turn out fine.
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John Penninghood - Sat, 08 Jun 2013 01:35:54 EST o1SuTlJZ No.11379 Reply
In Freakangels, they used to drink tea wine made from old teabags by a crazy man up the street.
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Jarvis Bunwill - Sat, 08 Jun 2013 13:07:23 EST ARnMTFAZ No.11381 Reply
I know how to, in theory, though I don't think I'll have any trouble because it's pretty simple.

In the past people drank alcohol more than they drank water because you knew that alcohol was safe to drink. I think this will be the case once again after the world ends.
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James Brookgold - Sat, 08 Jun 2013 13:45:58 EST obP7Ew41 No.11382 Reply
>>11381
May also be why they had lifespans of 40-50 years of hard work instead of 60 years worth of hard work.

But since it's the Apocalypse you probably wouldn't mind if you managed to die of "natural causes" so I'd probably have to agree on the keep getting drunk until you don't feel drunk technique
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Barnaby Gindlewill - Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:53:07 EST ARnMTFAZ No.11390 Reply
>>11382
Lifespans really haven't increased that much. The reason people were presumed to live shorter lives back then was because infant mortality was so high that is messed with the average. If you survived childhood you would probably live to 50 or 60.
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Phyllis Blingerdot - Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:56:41 EST obP7Ew41 No.11391 Reply
>>11390
>If you survived childhood
and disease, famine, wild animals, dirty water/diarrhea, outdoors living, extreme weather and of course other humans
>you would probably live to 50 or 60.
If you were a lucky SoB.

They drank because life was terrible and stepping outside the hut was like stepping through bacteria ridden floor covered in sharp stones with no shoes whilst also being chased by almost every other living thing out there with you.
People who lived to an age in which they had gray hair they where probably hermits or held in such high regard that they weren't aloud near any conditions like that.
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Nigger Crarringbedge - Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:55:22 EST sL1ZwOLL No.11394 Reply
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>>11391
did you just skip over like the first part of his statement or did you just disregard it because it didnt line up with your view points.

i honestly want to write a wall of text telling you why you are a bad person, but im going to settle with a fuck you.
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Nigger Crarringbedge - Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:02:57 EST sL1ZwOLL No.11395 Reply
>>11391
i didnt read second part! god i hate you. do you know what grog is?

>Sailors require significant quantities of fresh water on extended voyages. Since distilling sea water was not practical, fresh water was taken on board in casks but quickly developed algae and became slimy. Stagnant water was sweetened with beer or wine to make it palatable, which involved more casks and was subject to spoilage. As longer voyages became more common, the task of stowage became more and more difficult and the sailors' then-daily ration of a gallon of beer began to add up.


alcohol was drank for septic reasons.
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Phineas Shittingville - Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:18:19 EST obP7Ew41 No.11396 Reply
>>11394
Well I left the first bit because it seemed redundant to point out that we only started keeping obituaries as a semi-standard until about 300 years ago before that it was mostly just important/forceful people who were written about. Therefore there is no way to obtain an average lifespan, let alone have it skewed by a variable.

Also it was 30-40 years average lifespan, it's only the last 50 years that we've started living past 100.
So by excluding the first part of his sentence I was actually losing one of my points.
So a candid fuck you too you to buddy.

>>11395
I read all of your post and I kinda like you. Do you know what drunken sex parties are ?

>festivals were celebrated at the end of battle, so that the destruction would come to an end. During an annual festival held at the beginning of the year, a festival of intoxication, the Egyptians danced and played music to soothe the wildness of the goddess and drank great quantities of wine ritually to imitate the extreme drunkenness that stopped the wrath of the goddess—when she almost destroyed humankind.

Alcohol was drank for ritual or religious reasons as well.
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Sophie Nubberstire - Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:22:22 EST sL1ZwOLL No.11399 Reply
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>>11396
>Therefore there is no way to obtain an average lifespan,
next line
>Also it was 30-40 years average lifespan

you're right we dont have many records, what we do know is many children died at birth


>Alcohol was drank for ritual or religious reasons as well.
and?
ever been to church? ever been to a bar? sporting event? concert? or anywhere? losing a likker license is a fast track to going out of bussiness for a lot of places. fuck we dont do a family get together with out having a case to the side.
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Charles Niggerlock - Thu, 13 Jun 2013 05:24:17 EST obP7Ew41 No.11400 Reply
>>11399
bone fragments, group graves and science. Mainly the part of science where they have noticed there aren't many people who survived past 40. So by powers of deduction, it is quite simply a low life expectancy in the range of 30-40.

My second point was a play on words from the guy it was directed at. Since his point was so unfruitful I thought I'd do the same....
Also they are mostly semi-religious and full on modern ceremonial reasons. Get your own damn reasons!

Keep bringing it trolls, I don't know why your all up in my stuff on this but I kinda like it.
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Emma Niggercocke - Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:36:33 EST M4dlL23D No.11401 Reply
>>11400
what i was trying explain was that with out alcohol long sea voyage would have been impossible due to lack of fresh water. grog fixed that.
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Fuck Sullychitch - Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:44:56 EST I1DFtFw4 No.11402 Reply
>>11401
Beer and wine was also a way to ensure the liquid was safe to drink
Armies brought it and gave the soldiers generous ratios of it.
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Shitting Pangerridge - Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:50:31 EST ARnMTFAZ No.11427 Reply
>>11396
Why are you pulling shit out of your ass? Every since the neolithic revolution, if you survived childhood you would live about as long as people do now. That's a fact.

>thinking obituaries are the only way to determine lifespans of people from long ago
Seriously?
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Rebecca Gavingchag - Fri, 21 Jun 2013 17:34:46 EST epW3Zslu No.11428 Reply
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>>11427
Okay, bumping old threads just to be a dick is just as bad as pulling stuff out your arse, cause technically you're just pulling stuff out of my arse and I don't know if you have any of the medical licenses to be pulling stuff out of my arse.

Also, Obituaries are about the only semi-reliable way of a record. Everything else is a ton of science + some geuss work . Written records will give you hopefully definite information. Backed up by science and estimateology.
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Edwin Bravingbudge - Sat, 22 Jun 2013 18:16:15 EST bSLUZhyC No.11431 Reply
You do realise that back then beer had a lot less alcohol in it?

Back in the day European mead was around 2-3% and wine around 5%. The guys making the beer decided themselves how much alcohol should be in it and if they knew their customers used it as an alternative to water it's logical they wouldn't put too much in it.
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Eugene Pittford - Mon, 23 Dec 2013 14:37:34 EST NwtJvEMc No.12420 Reply
>>11431
ok mister knows every brewers general recipe for wort back in the day. dude brewers just mixed ingredients and got the beer they got... (5-6%) if you don't add anything. recipes only changed based on what they could get. and wine? naturally brews to around 11% from the amount of sugars. why am i even explaining this? your a fool! = D
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Charles Wacklegold - Mon, 23 Dec 2013 19:28:52 EST YPYMZFfy No.12421 Reply
>>12420
would ou get de hydrated if you drank 5-6 all the time. Im betting that the brew was watered down like >>11431 said.
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Caroline Gaggleville - Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:51:50 EST e2MuIWLT No.12422 Reply
>>12421
You'd get dehydrated even if it was 1%
Our bodies aren't designed to drink alcohol, we try to get rid of it by scrubbing with water diluting it and eventually getting rid of through pissing on that homeless guy at 3 AM in the morning whilst half buried in a kebab.
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Phoebe Dunnerridge - Wed, 25 Dec 2013 03:02:50 EST Ix8encS6 No.12423 Reply
>>12422
Umm tell that to the 1000's of hobos that ONLY drink 8% 40oz'ers n smoke crack all day every day. I have personally seen indeviduals live that way for 3 months. No meals, calories from food or these people was a rare Occurance
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Angus Duffingstock - Wed, 25 Dec 2013 05:24:47 EST e2MuIWLT No.12424 Reply
>>12423
Nutrients isn't in question, I'm just saying it takes more water than you drink with the alcohol to internally deal with the alcohol.
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Cornelius Clumblebanks - Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:42:32 EST eMBz5Zn7 No.13106 Reply
>>12424
this persons just talking out his butthole... like a fart.
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Martin Hendlewill - Thu, 05 Jun 2014 19:00:29 EST QJNyKLX3 No.13111 Reply
>>12422
You're very wrong. Think about it:
Obviously, drinking 40% will get you dehydrated. But if you drink a shot of something 40%, followed by two glasses of water, would you get dehyrdrated? No. Same with a 1% beer. Same with a 3% for pretty much everyone, and people with a tolerance can drink higher percentages without being dehydrated.

In medieval europe (and colonial america), it was common for a person to drink nothing but beer or cider or wine. These people didn't get cholera, since they weren't drinking filthy water (though they were probably getting liver disease left and right). It was also common for monks to fast for lent by sustaining themselves on *only* beer. It was also very common for other monks to only drink watered down wine.

Anyway, this thread is full of ignorance and dildos. I'm out
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Lydia Dockleham - Sun, 08 Jun 2014 12:43:37 EST pJI1oxBB No.13121 Reply
>>13111
Also back before we had reliable clean water beer was the staple drink of the people. It would be really weak beer but it kept the water clean and therefore drinkable. People didn't die of dehydration.

People say alcohol will dehydrate you but they're only accounting for the diuretic effects. These can be easily outweighed by the volume of water in weaker drinks. Especially .5% vol beer.
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Ernest Dussleville - Thu, 26 Jun 2014 20:33:07 EST DiNNTQ0F No.13158 Reply
>>11367
I just wanted to add that a majority of the "Back in the day people drank beer so they didn't die lol" is true.

HOWEVER, the alcohol is mostly just to keep bacteria out and it was the long boiling process involved in beer brewing that made the water safe to drink.
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Whitey Fuckingham - Thu, 26 Jun 2014 21:32:44 EST XhLtl3/4 No.13160 Reply
sense were talking about beer making, i can only imagine how gross it all was.

think about it, your drinking room temp beer that has probably little to no carbination. it sounds pretty freaking vile.


wine and cider i could see and obviously hard likker but beer? yuck.
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Matilda Denkinshit - Fri, 27 Jun 2014 03:56:40 EST nFRV5LZN No.13161 Reply
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>But what about the stuff that makes life worth living?
>I'm talking about booze, of course.

hey zues fuck, american brain washing complete. good job uncle sam
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Jenny Sashshaw - Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:11:07 EST d+V2qWzh No.13164 Reply
>>13161
Yes, because no other cultures ever had alcohol.
Greek mythology didn't even had a god based on developing wine.
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Priscilla Brunnercocke - Sat, 28 Jun 2014 13:02:06 EST 7OdJxgC/ No.13165 Reply
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To get this thread back on track.

>>11378
This is incorrect. You can not ferment to higher strengths than ~20% ABV since alcohol levels that high kills the yeast. Any excess sugar will only make the mash sweeter.

If you don't distill it you can let the yeast settle for a few days, then pump the mash into a different container, taking care to leave the gunk at the bottom (which you then throw away). Repeat this a few times and you've got yourself something that might be about 15% ABV and doesn't taste terrible.

Spices, fruit or a mixer can be used to hide the unpleasant yeast flavor. It's really easy to make and garanteed to get you drunk (seeing as it's more than double the strength of your typical beer).
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Priscilla Brunnercocke - Sat, 28 Jun 2014 13:24:39 EST 7OdJxgC/ No.13166 Reply
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Distilling the mash to make spirits isn't difficult, but requires equipment to control the heating of the mash, to cool and collect the vapors and to measure the temperature.

It also requires watching to make sure the temperature's in the right range (>80 <90 C). You will also not want to drink the first and last decilitres (so called head and tail) as they'll taste like crap.

So while it's not difficult, it's a lot more involved than just making mash.
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Fuck Battingferk - Sat, 28 Jun 2014 16:09:53 EST g4dUjXYD No.13167 Reply
>>13164
hur dur, some muslims have bans on drinking alcohol.

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