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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated April 10)
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Archie Tootbanks - Mon, 09 Dec 2013 03:39:50 EST ID:lNMMB2G1 No.12338
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A series of comets has hit the earth flooding it to the point where only tiny islands stick out., Some islands are as big as the state of Kansas mind you, but no bigger.

All fossil fuels have been used., There are still burgeoning forests on islands across the globe., The atmosphere has magically supplied us with breathable air and the temperature is magically livable, as well as fish and oceanic life adapting surprisingly quick.

Small communities occupy islands across the globe., Some have gone back to tribal roots, others try to adapt to their situations as modernly as possible. As for raw resources they are mostly at the bottom of the vast ocean. Steel, iron, bronze, gold, tin, aluminum are all a scarce commodity, as a result nearly all things are made from natural resources (although there's enough for bolts, guns and cannons)

The islands each have unique resources available to them, so trade has become great, the distance between the islands and the sheer vastness of the sea has made this a challenging, yet possible task. Trade ships are at an all time high.

This means more pirates, more sea battles, more tales of the enchanted sea and new places to discover. What be you, pirate? Merchantman? A lowly farmer tending his crops? A fisherman harvesting the bounty of the sea? The possibilities are endless.
Charles Granddock - Mon, 09 Dec 2013 20:26:31 EST ID:bx+jOc1p No.12340 Ignore Report Reply
life sounds pretty slow, id probobly wanna be a kind of jack of all trade inventor funded by whatever powers at be I was subject to. Hopefully theyre relaxed by the slow move too.

Botany sounds like a useful trade for the scenario.
Smoke weed daily.
Caroline Honeywill - Tue, 10 Dec 2013 09:14:43 EST ID:DiNNTQ0F No.12345 Ignore Report Reply
yeah dude I would just try to find somewhere secluded, some island, where i can grow my crops and hunt in peace. Spend my days fishing in the ocean or hunting, tend my crops, and smoak dat cheeby nigguh 420 blaze it daily no hay only good red red bam bam i got the fire dawg no middies SWAG.
Jarvis Hattingcocke - Tue, 10 Dec 2013 18:24:59 EST ID:e2MuIWLT No.12352 Ignore Report Reply

Technically speaking we would lose Brazil, east america, east Canada, Most of Europe, west and north Russia. Some of Australia and some regions in India and China along with the islands, Indonesia, Japan, new Zealand, England and the Caribbean Isle.

That's not too bad, unless you live there or until you realize that they're literally all the places where there is still a lot of forest.
But as the water table rises, as does the tree's ability to live higher up. It'd take a long time though for all those tree to regrow, Not to mention how fucking lucky you would have to be for the seeds of a tree to survive that long underwater.

Let's ignore all that for now though.

Cause I wanna be a swashbuklin scraggy bearded pirate. I'd make my living intercepting trade routes, or full on luring traders in ambushes. To steal both there loot and there bucket.
You see, Cannons would be useless, Requiring sulphur to make the gunpowder and with no geovents or volcanoes this high up, there's no quick or cheap way of making gunpowder. Meaning that combat will be hand to hand, sword to sword and of course the occasional faggot using a bow for combat. This means that when attacking there's really no option of just sinking the fuckers or blowing them up. You’re going to have board there bucket. It'll probably get pretty damn gruesome, but it'd be worth it. all dat freedom and loot.
Thomas Greenville - Tue, 10 Dec 2013 21:38:59 EST ID:AqZfEERQ No.12353 Ignore Report Reply
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If anything big happens to a large population center there will be a shortage of some supplies. It doesn't matter if it means food, drinking water, drugs, weapons, or some other sought after goods.

Eventually someone will always try to control the access to those goods and when that happens you'll need someone else to find effective detours for those who will pay good money for it.

So I would become a smuggler and essentially sell myself to the highest bidder until I can afford to hire a tight crew and set up a lucrative route.

After that I would fund a small mercenary-for-hire project to guard fellow smugglers. It would probably start a turf war with pirates but it would be worth it to make sure people get what they need to survive (or use recreationally).

However, I would try to remain somewhat morally upright. I would never stiff a customer and always support democratic progress...if it means I can expand my business.
Augustus Drabbleshaw - Wed, 11 Dec 2013 06:40:25 EST ID:bF2ed2lC No.12354 Ignore Report Reply
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All that swashbuckling sea adventure sounds like an easy way to die.
I'd find a small corner of an island with a medium sized community and raise an animal farm - probably bovine or similar cattle. Along with that I'd grow mad dank.
As for my trade, I'd make soap. The "yardstick of civilization", and not many people know how to make soap, much less GOOD soap. I know it sounds lame but think of all the uses and illness prevention soap provides.

Also, being the town storyteller. I would whip up so many tales while blazing my own drizzle under a true night sky with the brightness of only the stars and the firepit to see. That sounds amazing.
Nicholas Beblingwell - Wed, 11 Dec 2013 07:46:11 EST ID:e2MuIWLT No.12357 Ignore Report Reply
I like you, set up a harbour on your little island section and in exchange for a little weed every now and then I won't burn down your community ?
You could go a step further and provide lodging and I'll provide protection from other pirate gangs.

How's that sound ?
Whitey Blangersten - Wed, 11 Dec 2013 08:49:40 EST ID:M4EYuaoH No.12358 Ignore Report Reply
Nah man I disagree. Volcanos and shit are very high in elevation. I think it's totally plausible for some groups to bad blunderbusses or single shot rifles
Nicholas Beblingwell - Wed, 11 Dec 2013 09:43:22 EST ID:e2MuIWLT No.12359 Ignore Report Reply
Only west Brazil and the Eastern most tip of Africa would have volcanoes high up enough to still be accessible.

Admittedly there is cordite, one of the few simple to produce gunpowders, But that has it's own problems. Not to mention it would slowly destroy cannons or rifles or anything else with a long barrel through heat and rust. Even with pistols you risk rupturing the barrel.

So yeah, Go get your cordite and I'll watch as your army blows there own faces off.
Edwin Beffingsatch - Wed, 11 Dec 2013 09:55:47 EST ID:rPj2jDW3 No.12360 Ignore Report Reply
>However, I would try to remain somewhat morally upright. I would never stiff a customer and always support democratic progress...if it means I can expand my business.

so basically you're walll street.
Phyllis Turveydale - Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:28:45 EST ID:puMGglA1 No.12362 Ignore Report Reply
I guess it depends on the height to which the seas rise. How about scavenging black powder or smokeless powder from te Brinney deep? I keep my powder in a very airtight container that would probably not burst down to a hundred to so feet. Even if it got wet you could dry it out eventually
Matilda Pockshit - Wed, 11 Dec 2013 21:56:08 EST ID:AqZfEERQ No.12364 Ignore Report Reply
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I'm pretty sure Wall Street brokers only exist to stiff people. I'm not interested in giving people hope for a way out only to abandon them out of the blue. I'll leave that to the casinos.

I mentioned democratic progress because my business would put me up against authoritarian types. What I mean is that I would rather be a go-to dealer for a group of revolutionaries than a middle man for some faggy dictator. It will probably get me killed, but hey, it sounds like a fun and lucrative life.

You're the type of dude I would go to get my supplies. I would give you whatever you need to keep the place up and running in exchange for your soap.
Ebenezer Daggleham - Wed, 11 Dec 2013 22:13:19 EST ID:95l3Ca/q No.12365 Ignore Report Reply
Definitely try to turn a moderately-sized island into a pirate haven and just live off them all coming in for lodging and simple pleasures, maybe they would have to give some kind of tribute to get in and definitely hand over their weapons like the place in A Boy and His Dog.

Would need a decent population to fortify the island before anybody could be let in and then to work at and maintain the inns and brothels and shit.
Phyllis Clidgegold - Thu, 12 Dec 2013 00:49:26 EST ID:lNMMB2G1 No.12368 Ignore Report Reply
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Just for fun I looked up gunpowder, and it turns out there's several ways of making it that could be accomplished without sulfur, some used extensively, I don't think it would be a stretch to have guns and cannons

As for me, I'd be a lighthouse keeper. I'd wet the wick of the light on whale/palm oil and use a rotating Fresnel lens (that rotates using wave power by a wave turbine)

The lighthouse would also serve as a resting place for weary sailors and marooned peoples everywhere. Down below there would be a tavern with lodging, up above there would be nothing more than lighthouse. (which is where I would stash my gold)

I'd pick a half-way point between two major islands that had dangerous rocks about it and get both islands to pay me to keep up the lighthouse, as well as getting profit from my tavern.( Although I'd pay my employees fairly)

Furthermore I'd receive protection from both navies and would create a strong bond between the two isles, while having my own semi-autonomous lighthouse island.
Fanny Guffingnut - Thu, 12 Dec 2013 02:49:45 EST ID:tF9ete1S No.12369 Ignore Report Reply
i was more or less making a joke about wall street enjoying democracy so that they can manipulate it via lobbyists and only enjoy it for their own ill wills.

you seem like you have morals for other people but none for your self.

id likely end up some peon somewhere and hopefully move up the ranks, im good at listening and dont really like leading anyways, id enjoy being a 2nd mate or cook, the cook gets alot of extra privileges on boats ya know,
Ian Sucklelod - Thu, 12 Dec 2013 05:07:05 EST ID:e2MuIWLT No.12372 Ignore Report Reply
Saltpeter isn't that easy to make. Being an essential igredient.
The only reliable way is the Haber process and Otwalds process and that's energy intensive.
And without the sulphur the burn temperature is too high for most metals to keep working for very long.
The entire point of adding sulphur to black powder was to lower the heat and create deflagration instead of detonation.

>So yeah, Go get your cordite and I'll watch as your army blows there own faces off.
Jenny Gambleshit - Thu, 12 Dec 2013 22:21:38 EST ID:AqZfEERQ No.12375 Ignore Report Reply
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True, I'm immoral but I'm honestly not that bad of a person.

I have a good work ethic IRL. In this scenario, I'm providing goods and services through trade. I would try to give people good paying jobs and protect them from harm. I would definitely prefer to turn clients into friends...

It's just that I see no problem in crossing lines when it come to providing those goods and services. It doesn't mean that I will stoop to theft but I would use lethal force if some pirate or warlord tries to bully me and I expect most people would do the same.

As for others I really don't care if they're immoral. Though I would have problems hiring violently reckless people.

I imagine many people will be immoral or just morally indifferent. This is the apocalypse after all, so the white knights would have their hands full.
Phoebe Fanforth - Fri, 13 Dec 2013 01:55:05 EST ID:sKIr0Ngh No.12378 Ignore Report Reply
For someone who pretends to be so clever with chemicals, you are oddly insistent on not understanding there they're and their at all, aren't you?
George Gishlock - Fri, 13 Dec 2013 02:37:48 EST ID:KAG+/JfK No.12379 Ignore Report Reply
>>12375 well the taxes you avoid paying and help other people avoid paying dont go back into the community treasury, in your theory its a single man controlling the entire supply which is less likely then a beurocratic system doing it.

im with this guy, who controls the gun powder controls the world and people will do what ever it takes to obtain it.
Cyril Funkinshaw - Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:14:54 EST ID:v/Zdha+a No.12387 Ignore Report Reply
Teacher at the navy college. I'm actually a sailor and I suppose a lot of information would get destroyed. I'd make a fortune teaching people about the weather, navigation, etc.
Cyril Grimshit - Fri, 13 Dec 2013 18:45:24 EST ID:PikqsA4y No.12388 Ignore Report Reply
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I would build floating islands from floating debris, plastics seaweed compost
then, with my diy desalination equipment, I would be a farmer of the high seas
Priscilla Clayson - Fri, 13 Dec 2013 21:11:27 EST ID:AqZfEERQ No.12389 Ignore Report Reply
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Who says I'm not paying taxes? It seems like you already have me lumped in with the worst offenders in our current system just because I want to be a businessman.

If a community is kind enough to let me move in then I have no problem paying things like property tax which I assume will be in most established towns. TBH, the place with the most laissez faire attitude would probably be my first choice but I wouldn't gripe if that's not available. All I'm asking for is a place for my stuff. If they're not okay with me living there then I would go to the next place. If nobody wants me then my business fails...tough luck for me.

It's also not like the weight of the communities' economy lies entirely on my shoulders. Fish would be plentiful so fishermen could easily sell a surplus to merchants who would then sell it to the people. If lumber is around then merchants would cover that too. I'm giving people things they cannot find elsewhere, like luxuries, drugs, and guns.
Jack Fettingcocke - Sat, 14 Dec 2013 02:26:58 EST ID:ID1DnZpK No.12391 Ignore Report Reply
Actually a good proportion of our oxygen is already supplied by photosynthetic plankton in the first foot or so of seawater.
Problem being that raised UV levels from ozone depletion are sterilizing the plankton, and if it goes deeper to avoid the UV, it starves to death without light.
Cyril Biddlewater - Sat, 14 Dec 2013 06:57:32 EST ID:KAG+/JfK No.12396 Ignore Report Reply
you cant smuggle if their isnt a black market, you are fucking someone over somewhere be it through theft counterfitting or just plain smuggling.
Priscilla Clayson - Sat, 14 Dec 2013 14:06:53 EST ID:AqZfEERQ No.12398 Ignore Report Reply
Yeah that is the gist of it. I would say smuggling is a minor offense in a world where pirates kill anyone who stand in their way. I'm sure they would target me above anyone else.
Shit Davingshaw - Thu, 19 Dec 2013 01:41:54 EST ID:lNMMB2G1 No.12403 Ignore Report Reply
Here's a few things to keep in mind with this new world.

  1. Storms are rampant, weather systems go un-deterred by lands and pressure systems are higher.

2. There will most likely be a few world powers that take over., it's just inevitable that somebody either unites a large island, or series of islands, or both and attempts to control the waters.

3. There are still tons of undiscovered islands, tribes, animals and a plethora of adventure in this new world.

4. Although technology is mostly lost a few relics do remain, as well as the fact that at the bottom of the sea there is a plethora of Ancient relics that are highly advanced (for your era).

5. Some places may still remain... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_towns_by_country

6. There must be a balance between pirates, merchants, towns and empires or else the system will not work. Too many pirates and the merchants will stop leaving port, communities will become isolated and pirates will cease to function.

However, the only reason pirates can exist in this scenario is because the era has renewed the "age of sail" meaning the superpowers can't just sink their ships with supersonic jets and scud missiles.

Historically speaking, pirates of the "golden age" were ex-privateers, slaves, sailors and other people who were serving in bondage to the royal crown. A legalized piracy was used as a weapon against different world powers (Britain would use pirates to fuck with French ships in exchange for British ships not blowing them the fuck up). This was called "privateering" as i'm sure you know.

This being said, there can't be pirates without these powers., That means more confrontation and more competition.

7. There are several outcomes of the actual "oceanic apocalypse", I prepose that a more likely scenario is one much like the polynesians colonizing the pacific. A much less abrasive and exciting time than it would be in the golden age of piracy.

If all knowledge is lost we have canoes. It will take time for us to relearn shipmaking.

If some elders retain essential knowledge of ship making and building we will have a chance at a glorious world.
Beatrice Sorringbanks - Thu, 19 Dec 2013 02:04:07 EST ID:eTLySjor No.12404 Ignore Report Reply
I'd be a a Viking and become a conquerer, claim as much as possible, but only for bragging rights. Then just live off the land that is mine and try and keep a real good country, then if it falls apart (like it should) I'll bail and do it all over again.
I'm a jerk I'm soz mates
Hannah Gicklebury - Fri, 20 Dec 2013 04:37:47 EST ID:CHhkYqBa No.12407 Ignore Report Reply
this is set to a 7 meter rise in sea levels, which is if Greenland thaws, but if the icecaps go, set it to 60 meters.
Wesley Bodgespear - Fri, 20 Dec 2013 10:21:03 EST ID:e2MuIWLT No.12408 Ignore Report Reply
> the only reason pirates can exist in this scenario is because the era has renewed the "age of sail" meaning the superpowers can't just sink their ships with supersonic jets and scud missiles.

Yeah it's not like those pesky aircraft carriers are going to survive a flood....
Jack Gandlefut - Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:58:54 EST ID:v/Zdha+a No.12409 Ignore Report Reply

If they can't order replacement parts or dry dock I very much doubt they would survive for more than.. 40-50 years. (pulled that number out of my arse, dunno how many spare equipment military ships carry)
Oliver Cuffingcocke - Sat, 21 Dec 2013 00:57:51 EST ID:lNMMB2G1 No.12411 Ignore Report Reply
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Well it would essentially be a floating fortress because there are no more supplies of oil/Nuclear fuel left in the world. Sails would be impractical because
of the sheer weight of the thing.

Those Aircraft carriers don't just sit out at sea all day and supply themselves, there's a constant supply run done by planes.
Charlotte Goodwell - Sun, 22 Dec 2013 06:28:24 EST ID:2Pqbim8O No.12414 Ignore Report Reply
How long do the reactors last without resupply?
Basil Drellyhood - Sun, 22 Dec 2013 10:33:06 EST ID:e2MuIWLT No.12415 Ignore Report Reply
For the nimitz class carrier it is 25 years, They go through a ROH (refuelling and overhaul) half way through it's expected life span. Technically speaking a Nimitz carrier can stay at sea with full power, That's the engines, Air conditioning, hot water, Flashy lights and that whilst watching all the porn for 50 years.

There's also another trick up there sleeve, They never have to dock, Once they are out of the dry dock that's it, All supplies are resupplied using helicopters and boats, Which is quite easy considering the 80+ planes and helicopters aboard.

So that's the fuel, food.
Ammo is hard to actually research, Some people say that they would only last 2 weeks if both attacking and under attack. Whilst others say about 6 months.
Admittedly both of those scenarios are war time. Not end of the world. So they could stretch very far if used frugally.
Hugh Sirringgold - Sun, 22 Dec 2013 10:57:56 EST ID:v/Zdha+a No.12416 Ignore Report Reply

They've got paint that lasts for 50 years?
Edward Fimmerchore - Sun, 22 Dec 2013 11:06:10 EST ID:lNMMB2G1 No.12417 Ignore Report Reply
Yes, but how much fuel do you have for the planes and helicopters, and where are they picking their supplies up from?

But things like nuclear submarines/aircraft carriers would probably be the tyrants of the seas for about 50 years.
Samuel Sallerpark - Wed, 25 Dec 2013 20:34:07 EST ID:s4MI6RI9 No.12432 Ignore Report Reply
I would start with saving up monies/resources/tradeables. Then I would put together a group of mercenaries to protect my vessel. I would then build up a diving expedition team to get materials from the bottom of the sea. Sell materials, get more divers and mercenaries, and continue. A bustling undersea scavenging enterprise.
Albert Drellerfoot - Wed, 25 Dec 2013 21:33:59 EST ID:YC5+FqfG No.12433 Ignore Report Reply

That's the spirit! Where's the creativity in this forum?
Graham Denderway - Sun, 05 Jan 2014 07:53:31 EST ID:j+qjJudv No.12524 Ignore Report Reply
I would be a mercenary/explorer. I would just love exploring different types of islands, taking up bounties or help guarding vessels, I would always help out the weak, because you never know what good fortunes would come to you if give a helping hand and if rumors start that you're basically a good guy people would respect you more. Exploring would be another good part, I would like to see if one day people would build underwater cities, I know india has done it.

Also what do you guys think would be legal? I think prostitution and cannabis would, I mean people are gonna want to have something to cool there nerves while at sea, and no ones gonna complain if you publicly fuck hookers, I mean everyone has to eat. I think you could even carry weapons in public without a permit.

One more questions, do you think the sea would be fresh water? you know sense most the water covering the planets coming from ice meteors and salt water is more dense, I think that it would be safe to drink the water because fresh water stays on top.
acornsarecool - Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:53:22 EST ID:sZiALyDZ No.12557 Ignore Report Reply
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I would become a siren, louring merchants and pirates with the promise of sex. Id use my knowledge of the land and it resources to find some sort of plant that would put them to sleep or kill them, then id steal what i think would be most important and be out of there. Id smooth talk my way on to someone else's boat and be on my merry way to the next island and so on until my ticks don't work on someone and they kill me.
Angus Gunkinteck - Sun, 12 Jan 2014 08:20:23 EST ID:iF5Hcal0 No.12574 Ignore Report Reply
I would acquire magically[//%] and run a very tight squad of "police" across the globe. We would make there be less hassle for the merchants delivering supplies across the globe, leading to a higher distribution of resources, resulting in a higher population and the security of the human race as a non-extinct species.

...Of course, we would need money from sligt taxes on all goods by the leader of each island or string of islands, for protection and maintenance of our ships. And hey, if a pirate ship is willing to pay more than triple what we receive in taxes from an island for them to attack one of the merchant ships? Well, that might just be a spot of ocean I happen to have no ships in at that time.

Give it a few years and I could make this into a modern government.
Angus Gunkinteck - Sun, 12 Jan 2014 08:33:22 EST ID:iF5Hcal0 No.12575 Ignore Report Reply
Sorry about that, I'm pretty high. nb

I would acquire and run a very tight squad of "police" across the globe. We would make there be less hassle for the merchants delivering supplies across the globe and solve arguments and feuds, maintain shipping routes and helping any who needed assistance, leading to a higher distribution of resources, resulting in a higher population and the security of the human race as a non-extinct species.

...Of course, we would need money from sligt taxes on all goods by the leader of each island or string of islands, for protection and maintenance of our ships. And hey, if a pirate ship is willing to pay more than triple what we receive in taxes from an island for them to attack one of the merchant ships? Well, that might just be a spot of ocean I happen to have no ships in at that time.

Give it a few years and I could make this into a modern government.
Emma Didgehack - Sun, 12 Jan 2014 13:46:23 EST ID:folUo3Pl No.12576 Ignore Report Reply
Tavern keeper man. If your beer and liquor are good enough everybody, pirates and townies alike, has a vested interest in keeping you alive and your business up and running.
Reuben Brallyfoot - Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:05:57 EST ID:IspconOx No.12582 Ignore Report Reply
Pub hands aren't there because they can brew beer, They're there because they're attractive and have good people skills.

Also your brewer is easily replaceable, Ingredients and recipes are easy things to steal.

I'd suggest security, even if they do want to fire you, do you really think they will when your standing there armed to the teeth ready to battle off more than a 100 rowdy swashbucklers.
William Dogglefoot - Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:20:08 EST ID:I9Zyrt50 No.12584 Ignore Report Reply
so you'd be like the united states.
Nigel Sallycocke - Mon, 13 Jan 2014 19:31:05 EST ID:9vPSujPz No.12589 Ignore Report Reply
You my friend have clearly never brewed.
It's not as easy as add a cup of milk and an egg to the powder that comes in a bag and presto fresco you got hooch.

Brewing is a skill, almost an art really.
So kill me you if you can you fool but see if you can get my recipe the same

Any good chef or brewer with a real special recipe always omits an ingrediant or step
Phoebe Wenkinbit - Tue, 14 Jan 2014 12:58:34 EST ID:IspconOx No.12594 Ignore Report Reply
I do brew, In fact I just decanted my 107th barrel of lager.
Along with my 7th rum which is still ongoing in distillation.

I keep all of my recipes as a mildly complex bit of code (terrible variable names/no notes) on a piece of paper.
Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of ratios in brewing will very quickly figure out the symbols = certain ingredients.

Not to mention, you need to tell the assistants several things to make your life easier. They will probably know the secret ingredient/techniques.
Basil Seddledatch - Tue, 14 Jan 2014 17:04:17 EST ID:GwkMpHu+ No.12599 Ignore Report Reply
I see your point but I still disagree.
A recipe and ingredients alone a good brew does not
Doris Niggerstone - Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:55:17 EST ID:iF5Hcal0 No.12601 Ignore Report Reply
No, I would be an actual NEEDED world police, and be damn proud of it.

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