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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

I'm Army CBRN, ask me anything

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- Sun, 12 Jun 2016 17:47:15 EST OK/LBrxZ No.14376
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As the title says, I'm in the Army trained as a Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear (CBRN) Specialist. Essentially we're the insurance policy of the military. They train us to survive fight, and conduct research in contaminated environments. We then go to our units to keep survival gear (MOPP suits and masks) in order and train those soldiers to fight and survive (long enough to get out) of those environments.

Any questions about that stuff?
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Martin Choshford - Tue, 14 Jun 2016 13:13:56 EST v5LAEC10 No.14377 Reply
>>14376
Got any advice for picking a milsurp gasmask?
I hear some of the older filters are hazardous in themselves, I also heard that milsurp masks are deliberately sabotaged to be useless before they are sold to civilians.
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Eugene Blythespear - Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:51:27 EST lXfD4x1f No.14379 Reply
>>14377

For the most part, don't even bother with masks. The masks can't filter out ammonia vapors or carbon monoxide, and you need to replace filters very often or get a special filter if you're dealing with chlorine gas (the most common chemical used).
The masks aren't sabotaged, but by the time we decide we don't want them anymore, they're gonna be close to unserviceable just due to wear and tear. My unit has masks about 20 years old and I'm pushing for the new ones. If we get them, then odds are the masks we currently have will find themselves on the civilian market after a while.
They work, but they're old.

If you can find a new mask, the M50s, those will almost all be relatively new and are pretty awesome. But they're pricey.
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Eugene Blythespear - Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:54:24 EST lXfD4x1f No.14380 Reply
>>14378
I'll have a more thorough answer tomorrow when I get my notepad, but calcium hypochlorite (the incredibly strong bleach powder) is effective against most chemical and biological agents (DO NOT USE ON YOUR SKIN), and regular soap and water works well against nucleo-contaminated items.
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Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:36:10 EST rp/0dnfG No.14381 Reply
>>14379
As a chemist, we use North 76008 or 3M 6000 series - both full face and are required beside our sides when we work with chlorine or bromine in the laboratory. They filtered out a spill of chlorine:bromine very well a while back. to the point where my lab coat and hair smelled insanely of chlorine after we cleaned the spill. We also haven't replaced the carbon NIOSH OV filters in a year and they still filter out most shit.
$160 and the filters are only $50 for two pairs.

>>14380
That's mainly for phosphorous and sulfur mustards, right? Easily oxidizable so you can use either Hydrogen Peroxide or any bleach?
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Edward Pittwell - Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:59:28 EST fok4DBbQ No.14382 Reply
>>14376
What exactly goes on in the minds of the brass in CBRN? As a 35G I've never felt like my CBRN training was very comprehensive, in basic or after. I mean I know the basics, but I just feel like CBRN isn't covered as well or as extensively as it could/should be. Especially with the concerns surrounding terrorism being our main focus rather than foreign conventional armys.

I still can't get my mask on in under 9 seconds. I feel like CBRN isn't something that's really at the front of soldier's minds in other MOSs.
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Ama - Sun, 19 Jun 2016 03:34:35 EST CDuWuIGP No.14384 Reply
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what do you do if you get captured?
what should us civilians do if the nukes are dropping overhead?
thank you for your time and for your service mister army man sir.
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Nathaniel Branderlock - Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:32:00 EST FHU8aX0D No.14385 Reply
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>>14378
>>14381
Okay my exact notes say
"Bleach good for blister and V agents, fair for biological. Ethylene Glycol is fair for chemical agents"

>>14381
Yeah but chlorine gas as an industrial spill or WMD is incredibly dense, which is why it sinks to the ground so fast. Our mask filters will clog within a couple hours.

>>14382
We're kind of like the redheaded step-child of the Army. They HAVE to feed us but only because it's the law. So most units will do what they can to not do chemical training. By regulation, you should be doing full MOPP training once a year including weapon qualification. Realistically, my NCO told me to throw away all my training JSLIST because it's just taking up space and we haven't trained once in the 3 years before I got there.
You should have your mask on in less than 7 seconds, not 9. But truth be told, an additional 3-5 seconds isn't going to get you killed if you can hold your breath that long. The decon agents work fast if you have them on hand, but if you don't have them ready, then putting the mask on in just 2 seconds won't make a difference. It's a whole process to decontaminate yourself effectively and fast, and part of that process is having all the gear nearby ready to go. And because all that gear is incredibly expensive, the Army prefers to keep it locked up and safe.
pic semi-related. All we really exist for is to clear people when they PCS/ETS. This is on my office door.

>>14384
Not really my area, as far as being captured goes. I've never been captured or had training outside of "Hey, don't talk to the bad guys if they capture you."
As far as nukes, surprisingly "Duck and cover" is crazy effective. I know, it sounds like a fucking joke but I'm serious.

80% of the damage from nukes is from the heat and it has to have a line of sight. So if you're crouched behind a wall in its shadow, you're gonna be pretty good to go. If you're within the blast radius, though (the 20% of destruction) then you're fucked. But that's a relatively small radius, depending on the size of the nuke. Once the blast resides, cover your face and mouth with a wet cloth and move upwind of the blast or just really far away. After the blast then you worry about radiation and all that risk comes from the dust particles that become irradiated, and those are only dangerous if they get absorbed into your eyes or inhaled/ingested.
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Bombastus !RZEwn1AX62!!xXxJO70U - Mon, 04 Jul 2016 02:55:12 EST ocghfRom No.14391 Reply
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>>14385
>NIOSH filters
>couple hours
Yeah, that's what it is. I suppose I've just never needed to stay in a chlorinated environment for more than 5 minutes MAX. The masks are great for that but not when you need to stay for much longer.

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