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Beurocratic dystopia or post-apocalyptic wasteland?

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- Wed, 14 Dec 2016 10:48:38 EST U08FLdq/ No.14469
File: 1481730518955.jpg -(72243B / 70.55KB, 635x342) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Beurocratic dystopia or post-apocalyptic wasteland?
I know that everybody preps for scenario 2 because, let's face it, guns and ammo and abandoned building are way more fun than surveillance and wage-slavery

But really it feels like scenario 1 is what "post-apocalyptic" looks more like in today's context. how the fuck do you prepare for *that*?
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Oliver Shakeforth - Fri, 16 Dec 2016 00:56:53 EST PAUjS2ga No.14470 Reply
Take back the knowledge. Take back the power. Fight Babylon.
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Edwin Bardfuck - Fri, 06 Jan 2017 18:40:46 EST 3ZI22UtR No.14485 Reply
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get educated. stay in shape. dont do drugs so you can save the money. bang on the system as you work your way up the ladder. manage not to become jaded and bitter in the process. kill mustafa mond.
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Ebenezer Bavinglut - Wed, 11 Jan 2017 09:39:15 EST Itnv6KTL No.14487 Reply
Scenario 1.
I try to cultivate a few criminal skills
I try to stay off the grid as much as is practical.
I enable activists and reformists by passing on information and manuals with the means to enact action
I try to disseminate security culture
Try to maintain activist and/or criminal contacts who could provide transport, fake ID, or sundries made controlled by a cultural shift or government crackdown
Keep abreast of legal rights, support political action that tries to maintain such.
Try to set aside funds for emergencies, for provision, bail, kickbacks, etc, in a way that cannot be frozen by banks. Hopefully in a form that cannot be deprecated.

Scenario 2.
Try to keep enough bulk food in the larder to last an emergency
Stay cognisant of emergency response and follow current emergencies
try to cultivate survival skills and acquire suitable tools
Try to educate loved ones in correct emergency response
Network with neighbours, friends and family in case of protracted emergency or need to resettle.
Work to organise Bug Out Bag, Bug In Bag, I'm Never Coming Home bag, Bug Out Vehicle, Every Day Carry, etc.

A problem is diabetes medication. I can only get it on prescription, and I can only get one box at a time. So if SHTF, either politically or generally, I'll be dependant on black market drugs if I have to go underground or if the medical system is disrupted.

Also in this country weapons are illegal. Any kind of weapon. So I'm stuck with camping gear or tools that can serve as improvised weapons, and God help me if anyone has a firearm and decides to fuck with me, which would be criminals and police, the two groups I'm most worried about, and thanks to our laws, the only armed groups.
I'm good with blades and impact weapons, but I'm thinking of taking up archery. It's better than nothing.
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Frederick Grimstone - Sun, 19 Feb 2017 15:51:39 EST 3Qw3niZH No.14503 Reply
I'd probably just do what I'm doing now: embrace political apathy, find a cozy job or do freelance work, find a trashy apartment in neo-tokyo, deal dissociatives on the side (because dissociatives are the most dystopian drug), spend excess money on cool future tech like virtual reality and superdrugs, join a cult for spiritual fulfillment, and listen to trap music until the impending singularity

>>14487

you have been sent to the gulag
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Oliver Tillinggold - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 05:48:32 EST a4zzt+TS No.14582 Reply
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After reading this I realize we're likely living in something similar to this. I feel like we're in the precursor stage to heavy-cyberpunk. Like the weird fashions and holographic shit you see in the movies. Blade Runner, Ghost in the Shell ect.

Have a feeling most of us are going to be pretty old by then..

That, or the world will look like children of men.
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Edwin Nonnerman - Sun, 17 Dec 2017 18:38:44 EST QixSdK75 No.14673 Reply
>>14582
I think i've been gradually realizing that "the apocolypse" has already happened. This is the new world, the old one is dead. Big brother is here and he's real and in your pocket. The president is a satire. The climate changed already. The mass-extinction started a while ago.

WE ARE THE DEAD
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Beatrice Sunnerford - Wed, 10 Jan 2018 14:28:40 EST XZfuaYX8 No.14678 Reply
>>14673
We are super fucking dead. I remember the apocalypse.
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Frederick Brooklock - Thu, 11 Jan 2018 14:52:03 EST gHHff3SQ No.14680 Reply
>>14673

so a true post apocalyptic world is one where we are all ghosts...
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Henry Cravingbanks - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 11:03:25 EST d+jp+Pob No.14691 Reply
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>>14673
The west is near dead. but the rising parts of asia probably don't have enough to start with to sustain it for long. So yea, the needle is buried in the red right now.

We really need to get over this odd tribal mentality (lol arbitrary borders), and see about colonizing space or terraforming before it's too late, even though it probably is. This little mud-ball will eventually die.
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Hamilton Tillingfoot - Tue, 06 Feb 2018 10:07:47 EST QixSdK75 No.14692 Reply
>>14691
> this little mudball

See that's the thing though, earth as a planet will be *fine*. I bet you crocodiles will be just dandy for yet another million years; they've survived at least a few impact winters and global extinctions already. Life, uh, finds a way.

And honestly, humans are pretty scrappy too. The 1% already control so many resources that they can literally just buy their survival from the rest of us. And on the other end of the tail you know there are at least maybe a dozen crazy-and-paranoid-in-just-the-right-way preppers who could manage the multi-decade long haul even on a scorched earth. And there's still the folks who are just downright remote enough and already tough as nails and used to living on the edge that it's just another couple of bad fucking winters for them; might not even notice that the grid went down a few back.

The rest of the 99% of the individual human population and global species biodiversity seems kinda fucked though. I don't think Mammalia will fare well in the coming epochs.
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Barnaby Cidgehall - Tue, 06 Feb 2018 20:58:36 EST d+jp+Pob No.14693 Reply
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>>14692
See the picture I posted. I have no doubt that some people will survive most apocalyptic-style events. But there are some events that would kill us all. And eventually the damned sun will die.

Or we could just dose ourselves with enough radiation that we'd never see the surface again. That shit doesn't go away as quickly as you think, and with enough of it cycling around you would not want to be anywhere up-top.
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Ian Dublingcocke - Sat, 10 Feb 2018 22:34:05 EST 58VVQGHK No.14695 Reply
>>14582
>I feel like we're in the precursor stage to heavy-cyberpunk. Like the weird fashions and holographic shit you see in the movies. Blade Runner, Ghost in the Shell ect.

Remember that the cyberpunk we see in Ghost In The Shell is mostly in the hands of a hyper-secret elite international police unit, and the ultra-rich they police.

It's all mundane to the protagonist, but probably more than 50% of it is secret to the general public.
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Esther Crumblecocke - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:43:51 EST kwgxw8zh No.14702 Reply
>>14692
Uh no. If we don't radically "greenify" our ways of living soon, humanity will be extinct in 100,000 years. Might seem a lot, but that means humanity has only lived for 300,000 years - which means that if aliens land on Earth after a few million years, they won't even find human fossils because we haven't existed for a long enough time.

And all mammals smaller than a dog will do fine. They won't die in the upcoming mass extinction. All mammals bigger than a dog though... they're dead.
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Martha Geppergold - Sat, 03 Mar 2018 06:34:52 EST ER3CbNg0 No.14706 Reply
>>14702
The thing about fossils is that it's not you have to exist long enough, it's just that the longer you live the more likely you leave a fossil. I mean some bones become fossils, it's extremely rare. Live long enough and create enough bones and the odds increase surely? There's no "too short" or "yeah we fossil now" though I get that if we die in 100000 years we're very unlikely to leave a fossil. There may however be other evidence of our existence such as a mass extinction and it's likely those aliens will have navigated many of the hazards we did (and whatever we fell at) and so will be aware of the ways civilisation can end and so know the signs.

They will however be grimly aware that we didn't even leave enough evidence that they could reconstruct our DNA or even resurrect us.
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hu - Mon, 05 Mar 2018 05:07:16 EST TuTr+WkJ No.14708 Reply
>>14678

tbh me too i was tripping on 2cb and saw nukes drop or some sort of missile
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A_Wizard !cMZsY.BCnU!!vVWR8L52 - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 23:17:01 EST Gt88cdkf No.14723 Reply
>>14695
Yeah, but even in GitS, they admitted that everything will still be known on the chans.
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Heather !VZj063fzwU - Wed, 23 May 2018 01:16:32 EST pWyizGRK No.14728 Reply
>>14469
>beurocratic dystopia
fucking hilarious OP
that's real slick social commentary there
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Frederick Gittingmark - Sat, 02 Jun 2018 07:09:13 EST gmQ697bO No.14730 Reply
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>>14469
>But really it feels like scenario 1 is what "post-apocalyptic" looks more like in today's context. how the fuck do you prepare for *that*?
You're right, OP. We shouldn't just be preparing for the second scenario, we should be hoping for it and actively working towards it. Human beings of average/below-average IQ are all too content at being slaves as long as they're well-fed and wealthy, as well entertained with all kinds of political distractions.

The Tracer Tong option is increasingly becoming the only thing that could give us a chance at building a libertarian society based on voluntary interaction.
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Graham Blicklefield - Sat, 23 Jun 2018 03:37:21 EST gwgJxdSL No.14736 Reply
>>14720
You forgot Jesus: the ultimate white pill.
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Emma Minkinmot - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 11:06:19 EST XpUZoPZw No.14741 Reply
The question is, why would you want to survive in a situation like that?
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Nell Greenlock - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 08:25:20 EST 1yAzFaxH No.14747 Reply
Who here has read Desert? We're all fucked, climate change is well past the point where we can "fix" it. So let's just get high in the mean time! Remember everyone freaking out about the world ending in 2012? They say it didn't happen, but maybe it did! Maybe the world ended and no body even noticed! Nobody cared enough to stop working, to stop fucking, to stop shooting up! That's the apocalypse mankind deserves, what could be more poetic?
>>14741
Who wouldn't want to live to see that beautiful irradiated eden?
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Sophie Blatherwater - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 12:41:49 EST OHUcVSZC No.14750 Reply
>>14747

If the world was ending I would want to work as hard as possible and go out with a bang. Why just do drugs all day and accept defeat that easily?
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Archie Nellywut - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:20:21 EST eHf8lHL/ No.14782 Reply
It's the mentally of the people. Egyptian writings might have measured the numbers of people increasing from space being born here. They would evolve and change the creational being on Earth because their experiences are in a closer link.
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Eugene Gunderfidging - Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:14:37 EST Z/6YL3h2 No.14786 Reply
This thread reminds me of the ‘280s. A lot has happened since the chrononnihilation event, but yeah basically before we got to enjoy a lawless free for all, we had to enjoy the wagestallionery of the 2281 imperial economic edict or AIEE screamed really loudly as our spinal bases snapped by our toddler beaurecrat overlords.
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Martha Brirrystut - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 07:52:24 EST pI8OXEkc No.14862 Reply
It's mostly Americans who think that an individual can win an arms race against a government.
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Fanny Hessleforth - Sat, 13 Jul 2019 16:00:20 EST kQQcXuEB No.14863 Reply
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I prefer a flourishing natural apocalypse reclaiming civilization
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dr. m - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 15:49:17 EST lLUpFuiu No.14864 Reply
>>14863

Yeah, more like self repairing and self replicating hacked drone wear running around exactly like the episode of the robot Dogs on Black Mirror. We're about to or have secretly already reached a point of no return for this stuff. I've got to believe that at least the US and/or China have the capacity for fully autonomous lethal robots right now, possibly even a weapon mechanism that's more efficient and less finite than firearms. Perhaps it somehow utilizes electricity or something...not saying that specifically is likely, but you get the idea. Maybe there's certain autonomous drones or general robots that will just kill by crushing or striking humans with 10-500x the strength of a human. That way they don't only have guns that always need more ammo.

I think post apoc will be the long term scenario assuming we don't eventually build space colonies throughout empty space and not on planets, as there's enough resources to supply at least 1 trillion humans assuming we can fully harness energy sources as sophisticated as say a Dyson sphere.

I just don't see how we don't blow each other up before reaching that point. We're way too many civilization choke points away from that "we made it" reality where there's over 100-200 Ensteins and 100-200 versions of every absolute genius you can think of.

It would be nice if pollution does one day stop entirely on Earth and have the entire planet eventually zoned for residential.
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Fuck Bunway - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 20:09:32 EST s/qrVAjt No.14866 Reply
>>14864
It wouldn't be too difficult to build essentially a self-guided bomb if you can program a path into a drone and know what an AI does. University kids are doing more advanced autonomous robots right now. Seems like it would be within reach for a person who's technically inclined to use such a thing as a murder weapon.
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Graham Bellyridge - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:43:31 EST hj29Ec72 No.14871 Reply
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>>14866
You can mount flamethrowers or anthrax onto commercial drones, not to mention the military drones that carry payloads of all kinds of death. Better start building some tools to hack into and dismantle them, otherwise the common man will be subject to robot rule at some point.

In Singapore they are perfecting robotic beetle drones for military use or espionage, and there is another company working on robotic flies for similar purpose. Not too excited about it considering the next step above that is nano bot tech which seems to be more potential for harm

It is not a fear of technology but fear of people because at this point humans have learned to weaponize practically every form of tech they come across. We're ruthless territorial animals.
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Frederick Sablingcocke - Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:00:47 EST kQQcXuEB No.14872 Reply
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>>14871
Hey do you got a link for the military use of the beetles? I only see use for search and rescue (But c'mon, of course the military would take advantage of that) Just like PETMAN, You think you develop billion dollar humanoid walking robots just to test camo?
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Edwin Purrydale - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 14:32:43 EST M53T+9VW No.14878 Reply
>>14680
Horrific economy stimulation. I can't get a job in a coffee shop, what's the point anyway? My country has no guns.
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Hedda Wosslehare - Wed, 05 Feb 2020 18:57:31 EST R2i8OQgY No.14927 Reply
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>>14878

Does your country allow the use or sale of black powder or perhaps saltpeter, sulfur, and charcoal?

Are blackpowder tools allowed at all? In America they're not considered true fire arms and most people can create their own black powder, canons, and readily buy or put together black powder blunderbuss, muskets, muzzle loaders, and other flintlock, aquibuss, wheel lock or snaplock pieces.

Poachers in Africa would often use replica black powder arms and use crushed match heads to make their own munitions along with melting lead scrap to make shot.

If there's a will there's a way and any advantage for survival is a huge plus for the man facing doomsday.
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Phoebe Billingfield - Thu, 06 Feb 2020 17:25:39 EST taEkhz3F No.14928 Reply
>>14927
There is a way to make your own blackpowder from chicken manure. I saw it in The Backwoodsman Magazine. I'll take a pic and post it.

I do alot of blackpowder shooting myself. Flintlocks are a suprisingly very simple mechanism. You can cobble one together from steel 1/8th-1/4 thick walled 20 guage barrel between 36 and 42 inches in lenght, a stock made from the limb of a hardwood like maple or ash, or even oak in a pinch. And all of your parts made with hand tools and a forge if you know how to blacksmith a little.
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Polly Brillylock - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 10:50:29 EST zI7g3W0t No.14929 Reply
>>14691

>We really need to get over this odd tribal mentality (lol arbitrary borders), and see about colonizing space or terraforming before it's too late, even though it probably is. This little mud-ball will eventually die.

borders aren't arbitrary, they're historically formed. they're also the greatest impediment to capital flows that currently exists. none of the people who are pushing the panopticon want to keep borders, that should give you an impression of who they benefit most.
it is the mechanical, globalising liberal ethos you express that has brought us to this point, and you're too neck deep even to realise it.
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Isabella Goodwell - Sat, 08 Feb 2020 16:35:09 EST YDcGFpqe No.14930 Reply
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>>14928

Black powder from chicken manure that is genius, definitely sounds like some backwoods redneck alchemy but to be honest they make the best moonshine and I'd love to see some of this powder is made and put to the test up against old style mix and how it compares to pyrodex when used at a range.

If you have a link please do, I have always wanted chickens and a pond with greenhouse for means of self sufficiency and if the manure from chickens can be harvested to use for some boom boom powder I am absolutely all for it.

I applaud and thank you for this discovery contribution, absolutely awesome and invaluable. Easy to imagine how post apocalypse chicken farmers could produce food, booze, and munitions as well as make arms and tools out of the scraps from a dysfunctional or destroyed society.

On the topic of avian creatures there's one thing about survival we can learn from the humble bird and it is to use our surroundings to build homes and provide for ourselves, safety in numbers, and to navigate as necessary.
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Caroline Worthinghood - Tue, 11 Feb 2020 18:16:02 EST taEkhz3F No.14932 Reply
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>>14931
There is another article about making your own black powder im trying to locate too. Ill keep searching.
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Hugh Pinningbanks - Wed, 12 Feb 2020 13:29:50 EST PV3mpdV8 No.14933 Reply
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>>14932
Good news I found that other article on making black powder. This is way more in depth.

1/4
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Hugh Pinningbanks - Wed, 12 Feb 2020 13:35:44 EST PV3mpdV8 No.14937 Reply
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>>14936
Oh my bad. I missed a page. Well here you go. Its a really good reference. I haven't attempted it myself but the information is solid.
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Betsy Hollywet - Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:46:29 EST bs/EW23W No.14938 Reply
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>>14937

This is absolutely beautiful, I had a very primitive recipe using only lead ball mill, charcoal, sulfur, and saltpeter in certain ratio. I'll be jotting down this information to ammend my notes on the subject as well as pass the word to those I know who can readily use it.

This information is definitely solid, especially the part about the use of Iron Oxide and Sugar in the mix which had never occured to me before. I know some folk who are experienced at handling a reloading bench with hand loading as well as the use of and operation of muzzle loaders along with their maintenance among others and I will be happy to pass this along.

You may have just saved lives if not helped to preserve a passion. A gentleman and a scholar you are and have my thanks, this here is worth more than gold.
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Molly Chassleman - Thu, 13 Feb 2020 15:13:07 EST PV3mpdV8 No.14939 Reply
>>14938
If you are curious the magazine I pulled this from is called The Backwoodsman Magazine. They only produce 6 issues a year, but when it comes to survival, outdoor projects like boat building and charcoal forges from brake drums, to firearm reviews, and even homesteading, and farming. Its well worth it.

You can purchase back issues for a reasonable price as well.
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Sidney Grandwater - Tue, 18 Feb 2020 18:13:06 EST PP54vykL No.14943 Reply
How does black powder help fight a corporation, or a nation? even just a street gang need a *lot* of firepower and fortification to stop.

Perhaps in a backcountry scenario it would be useful for sustenance hunting, but that does assume a good amount of healthy intact wilderness and access to it. Already hunting is pretty regulated i doubt that is going away, and the ecosystem isn't on an upswing either.
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Martin Semmlestere - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 17:04:14 EST m1FqEWFc No.14944 Reply
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>>14943
Well there are no stupid questions I suppose so I'll humor you. It is a good tool to have in your arsenal, black powder weapons are not considered true firearms and anyone can own them from a blunderbuss to a cap and ball revolver.

Hypothetically speaking in an urban setting against a corporation it would have to be for sabotage. Explosives and the like, revolutionary acts considered to be terrorism by tyrannical forces.

In a rural setting it'd be for primarily hunting small game with birdshot or large game with buck and ball but if no way for that then it'd simply be for protecting your grounds/homestead from an unwanted presence. It could otherwise help in your nomadic excursions from anything like clearing or creating debris much the way TNT would to aid in whatever needs necessary.

Canons are completely legal in the U.S. so I suppose with enough determination one could create their own artillery or rockets with the aptitude for handling such things but something like a pipe bomb is much more likely.

If all else fails, medieval and tribal war/hunting tactics could prevail with the use of traps, nets or snares, blow darts, atlatl or spear, bow and arrows, sling and stones, javelin, axes, tomahawk, bolos among a myriad of other tools.

One particularly devastating act that was used in ancient times would be to heat sand over a fire in a large bronze shield or receptacle that could thus be flung at the enemy sending red hot sand to penetrate into their clothing or armor whilst seering their skin causing excruciating and blinding pain or death.

Another of the past tactics is the utilization of clay pots filled with scorpions or other deadly things to be flung like a bomb at invaders. Combined with a tenacity to protect yourself or invade a foreign occupied territory and black powder you'd have yourself a substantial force to be reckoned with.

Haitian machete fighters carry on the tradition of when Napoleon had a failed slave revolt in which the sugar cane farmers took up their machetes and slaughtered the armed oppressors who were using black powder so it all depends on ferocity and numbers.

The Chinese boxer rebellion contains many horrid examples of tactics and savagery utilized as well.
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Martin Semmlestere - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 17:08:53 EST m1FqEWFc No.14945 Reply
>>14944

Also guerilla warfare tactics and sabotage which we used to win our independence are banned in America from being taught to militias and any militias are regulated... there is a good reason for that, an armed uprising is much feared.
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John Bunhood - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 10:36:22 EST PP54vykL No.14952 Reply
>>14944
these tactics only work if you have numbers or lots land to hide. What makes guerilla warfare effective are the tactics and opsec, not the firepower.

Things that worked in the days before global surveillance culture and drone strikes simply wouldn't work today for an individual or small (~dozen?) family-sized groups of people. It's just a different game; the rules changed and they're not going to change back.

As soon as you use these tactics you will be branded a 'terrorist'. The enemy isn't fighting me with bullets and weapons; it's trying to squeeze economic growth at the expense of our health, sanity, and ecosystem. There's nothing for me to blow up, sabotage, or even steal that somehow redistributes the wealth of the 1%, cures pandemics, feeds me, helps me get a job better than a warehouse robot.

Shooting the first horseman won't stop the fourth. (or the other two)
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Reuben Pickwater - Sun, 29 Mar 2020 02:41:57 EST KL3t8Joi No.14968 Reply
Any kind of violence directed towards the Omnipotent State is a wasted effort. brave New World taught us that the populace won't be controlled with force ala Stalinism but rather with comfort ala American Consumerism. By attacking the state you attack the comfort of the plebs by association, which means you will never have the popular support necessary to bring down Glorious Leader or whoever it is with their boot on your neck. So then if you can't attack the state because you also attack the (unwittingly) oppressed, how do you effect revolution? I've been praying for a massive co.et or meteor impact or, failing something on that scale, for a bunch of bat-eating morons in China to discover something really fucking nasty to thin out the herd enough so that governments are forced to become truly bennificent in order to survive
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Edwin Forringspear - Wed, 13 May 2020 14:33:02 EST zj9t0VSO No.14985 Reply
>>14968
You don't account for cultural divides. The same methods that work in USA don't work in india or china, and the chinese and indian methods don't work in USA.
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Fucking Smallstock - Mon, 25 May 2020 06:18:43 EST PP54vykL No.14987 Reply
>>14968
> When the Black Death swept over Europe and wiped out a third of its population, it also dismantled Feudalism. Serfs were free to leave the lands of the lords to seek higher wages with the vast labour shortages. ... The immediate economic effect of the plague was that the huge death toll created a serious labor shortages.

unfortunately at this point those labor shortages can be overcome with automation and AI. I have hope for this kind of "strategy" too but feel quite pessimistic.
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Basil Clallerspear - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:52:19 EST SRyinRxC No.14990 Reply
>>14680
USSR collapse never happened. You all was infants, when first bombs landed. This realm is purgatory. World ended decades ago. You are ghosts, yes. You never grew into adults or children even. Whole world already destroyed.

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