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US exceptionalism myth by Graham Hillypack - Sun, 23 Sep 2018 07:55:03 EST ID:4ndgi8mn No.57528 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Why do US retards think that the US won WWII single handedly? I drive uber and had some army guys in my car the other day and they were SHOCKED, MORTIFIED that I suggested that the USSR was both the superior fighting force and were the ones who defeated Nazi Germany (if any one force can be thanked it is indeed the Red Army).

I think its really important that Americans be told that their military is actually shit and they havent contributed a single fucking significant thing to the good of humanity in military terms besides an ASSIST in WWII. The rest of the entire military history of the US is predatory imperialist meandering around the globe and has been a net loss for humanity.

ITT we discuss good ways to teach americans that their military is evil and they are stupid to support it
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Lillian Farringwell - Sun, 28 Oct 2018 02:59:32 EST ID:67d2f9ol No.57551 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Thomas Clonderman - Thu, 08 Nov 2018 10:25:09 EST ID:2qVgMPk3 No.57555 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The US certainly didn't win the war in Europe single handedly, but did contribute vital military resources without which the Allies could easily have lost. Britain was basically on the verge of surrender in 1941, and had the Americans not joined in with their strong industrial base too far away for the Germans to attack, the West would most likely have been lost, and then Hitler could focus his attention 100% on Russia. There's a chance Russia could have pushed Hitler back simply by being too large, cold, and fiercely resistant to hold, but without US aid that would have been much harder, and the Red Army's advance across Eastern Europe into Germany would be much slower
Jessica Tandy needs candy !!vVWR8L52 - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 22:16:50 EST ID:d0TU1xe3 No.57556 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're a dick for 1

And for 2 if operation unthinkable would have happened the U.S. would have out firepowered the USSR to a hilarious degree, B-29's over Moscow anyone?
Edward Mubbletack - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:39:44 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>And for 2 if operation unthinkable would have happened the U.S. would have out firepowered the USSR to a hilarious degree, B-29's over Moscow anyone?

Great. You won WW3. Everyone you know has radiation sickness and your country is now effectively dead. The USSR is even more dead, but that doesn't matter. Because you're also dead. Less dead, but still. Dead.
Beatrice Giddlepot - Fri, 16 Nov 2018 12:23:05 EST ID:I0gh1mqC No.57558 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Soviets didn't have nukes until the 50s, and neither side had missiles until even later so they would have been deployed by bombers or artillery, the USSR was physically incapable of a nuclear strike on North America before the 60's.

Not saying Operation Unthinkable was a good idea, it would have ended with an unstoppable Soviet invasion of Europe (yeah have a nice try nuking the entire red army from a plane) and "best case scenario" for the west a cold war stalemate across the Atlantic or English Channel instead of Eastern Europe. Just that MAD wasn't a thing for another decade after what we're talking about.

PreColumbia y'all! by Hedda Fillerstock - Wed, 12 Jul 2017 17:47:30 EST ID:imeVvWkF No.57216 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I find pre-columbian native history fascinating, the most interesting thing to me is the parallels between old world and new world history. Seeing as how they're completely separated by a massive ocean and had (most likely) no contact, it's really a great study in how humans deal.

Today I'm going to talk about the origins of the Inca and the similarities between it and Rome.
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Sophie Weshbanks - Sun, 06 Aug 2017 05:21:06 EST ID:pACIDeoi No.57239 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Continue. I am well versed in the history of my continent, Europe, but know very little about pre-Colombus America, apart from how brutally we devastated the natives there. I do find the art of Mesoamerica civilizations fascinating though.
Fanny Gendlelitch - Sun, 06 Aug 2017 16:04:26 EST ID:Redgi3D4 No.57240 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I am monitoring this thread. Perhaps someone can take over from OP since he seems to be gone
Simon Baffingnure - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 03:52:12 EST ID:CBu3jKCh No.57279 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is it because they had a system similar to the marathon runners of Rome for sending messages between kingdoms? If I remember correctly messages were conveyed using rope tied into combinations of knots.

The word Aztec is a misnomer made popular by a British archeologist in the late part of the 19th century. The people that refers to are citizens of an empire called the Triple Alliance, the conquering head tribe, that of the Montezuma lineage, the Mexica, pronounced Mecheeka. It's actually where the origins of the word Mexico and Chicano lie. They began as a cult worshiping the god of life and death while living under the previous ruling empire, they skinned the princess and a priest wore her skin in a ceremony and they were killed and chased to the swamps and badlands in the area that is now Mexico city. The head priest had a dream that they should settle a spot where they see a golden eagle perched atop a cactus eating a snake. They adapted to the region and started large scale farming operations in the swamp. They had grid systems in the shallow waterways that resembled rice paddies, they made small islands out of sticks, mud and derbies where they grew the traditional mesoamaerican crops of corn, squash and beans which thrived being farmed like this, they also did aquaculture in this system. Excess food allowed for a population boom and through conquest and alliance with two tribes I can't remember off the top of my head because they aren't as iconic. The empire was split into states and one of them was called Aztlan. This is where the British archeologist was studying and he was a blank slate before heading there in an age before the internet. It wasn't an intentional misnomer but it stuck, just like everything else involving Indians in America. Technically I guess the people he was studying were "Aztec" as far as the English language goes but that is like if aliens concurred earth, moved the people around then tried to study humans 200 years later and called all humans Floridians because they happen to land in Tampa. Of course that is even assuming the aliens speak English, but that's a long shot I think. Anyway, I hope that was som…
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Phyllis Buzzfuck - Thu, 20 Sep 2018 12:33:58 EST ID:ZVxEwvHV No.57526 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Well the Romans enslaved the Greeks much in the same way the 'Aztecs' dominated the Mayans as a tribute state.

There is much more extant Mayan culture than what remains to the north where the Spanish took a brutally active role. So little care was paid to the Mayan Riviera section of the Main that private British citizens managed to steal Belieze. Highland languages like Mam and K'iche have carried Mayan beliefs through into cellphone times. Oral traditions held in the old tongues is partly how we know of their worldview and cosmology in stories such as the Popol Vuh (pop meaning woven, some scholars claim this is simply in reference to sitting mats upon where the story would be told but it is really a double entendre with the connectedness of all beings).

They also had a lot more culture to purge. They gave us corn! They had been using the number 0 for about 500 years prior to its Indian 'invention'. You know how the parthenon was constructed with wall-length ratios in accordance with the golden ratio? In Guatemala even middle class people built stone houses this way (they call it the way flowers are built). Guatemalans valiantly resisted attempts to destroy their culture. They torched most newly constructed churches through the 1700s. Some rural churches, in order to be accepted by the local populace, were covered in motifs of the old jaguar gods and have not been altered since.

Although the Aztecs lifted enormous amounts of culture from the Mayans, the Mayans may have done much the same from the Olmec, about whom little is known.
Angus Bollerhutch - Fri, 02 Nov 2018 17:07:37 EST ID:ixWXBBeN No.57554 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>triple alliance
God damn it there had to be another

neanderthals by Jack Wummerman - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 09:28:21 EST ID:jDhu60RY No.57483 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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i have just read the whole wiki page about neanderthals
how the fuck did the meme that they were smarter than homo sapiens come about?
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Clara Wummerfield - Tue, 16 Oct 2018 06:30:23 EST ID:ylVTqfI/ No.57540 Ignore Report Quick Reply
IIRC they might have had more complex tools then us.
Also art was a thing for them

It's too bad everything from that era is so vage, i'd love to know the true state of the neanderthals.
Molly Cottingbare - Sat, 20 Oct 2018 08:20:28 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57547 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They started out with more complex tools than us. However, we humans don't just plateau on technology. We just keep improving and improving and improving until we create global warming and kill ourselves.

Having huge brains means nothing when you're too retarded to fucking keep advancing your technology.
Ian Fellerstutch - Sun, 21 Oct 2018 07:55:41 EST ID:V5NLrSf9 No.57548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well yeah, true that.
If i could go back in time it would the prehistoric times fosho so many qurstions

What a ride huh
Sidney Hecklefoot - Mon, 29 Oct 2018 23:57:18 EST ID:oGTPq2xI No.57552 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>how the fuck did the meme that they were smarter than homo sapiens come about?

People project onto what they're seeing which tells you more about their given world-view. The more comfortable example would be in how insect colonies were traditionally imagined as monarchies because that is what people saw in their own world.

>Then again, Neanderthals had absolutely no tech and culture advancement, they'd settle somewhere, advance culturally and technologically incredibly fast and plateau until humans would come along

That's been the general rule for human's across history as well, at the very least whenever an isolated people get comfortable. Many cases exist of communities even forgetting technology like shipbuilding after arrival on some island paradise.

Sure, it might seem only logical to us to aim for limitless technological progress when we can see the benefits but that pace didn't exist pre-enlightenment.
Nell Cirrydale - Tue, 30 Oct 2018 12:32:56 EST ID:I0gh1mqC No.57553 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah what this guy's saying, technology is developed to solve problems and if there's no problems there's no need. Neanderthals were comfortable in their ecological niche, with secure settlements and stable food sources, devoting their time and energy into cultural pursuits like this guy >>57540 pointed out. Then they suddenly had to start competing for these settlement sites and food sources with more vocal, socially coordinated Homo Sapiens and they got outnumbered and absorbed. It's not like the Humans had level 3 clubs that overpowered the Neanderthals level 2 rocks.

Trench warfare: Why did the superiours not get shot by their own? by Voltron Vulva - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 03:39:37 EST ID:8alMSIHq No.57490 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Why did all the poor blokes not shoot their warmongering superiors in WW1?

Because running out was clearly allways suicide,
and killing your officer wouldn't be very obvious in the chaos of war?
Fuck Subblesan - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 21:31:09 EST ID:OKHR+WXR No.57491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's not like it was complete pointless suicide, their attacks did manage to kill the enemy and people would advance to defensible positions sometimes. No one wanted to be a traitor and certainly no one wanted to be caught and executed as a traitor which would almost certainly happen. I mean what do you think is going to happen afterwards? They'd just give you a new officer assuming someone didn't see you do it and you'd be sent back out unless you killed that one too and eventually someone will see you and apprehend you. Say you decide to slink away, where exactly do you think you're going to go? Almost no one spoke any of the languages of the countries they were fighting in, they would have no way to get back home during wartime and even if they did go back home they'd have to face their family who would call them traitors and not understand what drove them to run away. People held to notions of honor and duty back then too much more strongly than they hold to them now.
Caroline Sicklebatch - Sat, 15 Sep 2018 16:32:30 EST ID:I0gh1mqC No.57519 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because in WWI young men went to war being told it was a grand patriotic adventure, that they would see the world and be heroes and defend whats Right, this illusion was shattered after they went over the top but most of them never came back from that, and the ones that did were broken men ready to follow whatever order and kill whatever enemy would get them home.

I remember one specific story of the Galipolli landings, anzac soldiers heading towards the beach shouted out the standard war song "Are we downhearted? NO!" to the boats heading the other direction, the response they got was "Well you damn well will be soon"
Phyllis Buzzfuck - Thu, 20 Sep 2018 02:35:06 EST ID:ZVxEwvHV No.57524 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Europe is much smaller than asia, and flanders was pretty treeless through most of the war, so no isolated jungle patrols where you can frag the Loyola U ROTC weenie in abstract self-defense
Jessica Tandy needs candy !!vVWR8L52 - Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:59:35 EST ID:dk2vfwv1 No.57544 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hind sight is 20/20, trench warfare was the solution to a problem (the problem that mobile warfare in the first few months of the war was unsustainably bloody) however digging trenches created new problems. And yes there were dumb generals but there were also many generals that created solutions to the problems of trench warfare (like the tank, coordinated artillery fire, and small unit tactics to name a few) so it's easy to blame dumb stuffy generals for trench warfare but in reality there were forces at play that forced the hands of generals and nations.

Read up on the siege of Petersburg in the American Civil War and Sipon Kop in the 2nd Boer War.
Eugene Billerhen - Wed, 17 Oct 2018 18:08:16 EST ID:hwbZvUc3 No.57545 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Why did all the poor blokes not shoot their warmongering superiors in WW1?
because they would be arrested by MP's for murder and get executed

>killing your officer wouldn't be very obvious in the chaos of war?
And then the officer above him would appoint a new officer, basically if you did this then both sides would want to kill you. What I think you should have said was why didn't MORE people dessert, which happened like mad in the AH and Russian armies but every army had a problem with it. so this was not a well thought through line of reasoning

Civilization of the Month by Charlemagne !PXhMv3keyc - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 16:21:24 EST ID:7moSACzs No.57339 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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In preparation for going back to school (and to hopefully bolster some discussion on this nice but very slow board) I'm gonna try this thread format. Each month, assuming I don't get lazy and drop this, I'm gonna post a big thing about a civilization, culture, or political entity. I'm gonna try to avoid obvious topics like Egypt or Rome, and focus on stuff people may not have heard of as much. In an ideal world you guys will join in and discuss the peoples and cultures herein, suggest new topics, or correct me if and when I mess up.

That said, it seems fair to me to start with the beginning. This month's Civilization of the Month is Sumer.

"Sumer" as a name comes to us from their Akkadian neighbors/occasional rulers, who called them Shumer. The Sumerians called themselves "ùĝ saĝ gíg ga", meaning "The black-headed people", a name we learned from the cuneiform tablets they wrote on. Unfortunately, we do not actually know what "Shumer" means; when looking (or, more appropriately, glancing) into it, I pretty much just found academic flamewars.

The Sumerian people seem to have been in the area of modern day Iraq since at least 6500 BC, and continued to do their thing until the second millennium BC. Then they were conquered by the Amorites, who in turn were conquered by the Assyrians. However, their cultural impression was lasting, and Assyrian kings would continue to refer to themselves as "King of Sumer and Akkad" for centuries.

The earliest archaeological site we have for the area is called Tell el-'Oueli. A tell, from Arabic tal, meaning hill or mound, is a giant pile of trash from generations of people living on the same spot. This site consists of two thousand years of the Ubaid period (6500-4000 BC), and is characterized by the style of clay painted pottery, unwalled villages of mud brick houses, and tools (mainly sickles) made of clay usually, though occasionally stone or metal. During this time irrigated agriculture, use of the plow, and sailing were developed, and an egalitarian society became more stratified as a noble chieftain class developed as communities became much bigger than your standard village.

Eventually, pottery became produced more efficiently and trade flourished along the rivers of the Fertile Crescent, which led to the rise of the first cities. This period, named Uruk for the biggest one of the time, lasted from 4100 BC to 2900 BC. Uruk was created when two Ubaid villages grew into each other, and during this period became the most populated city in the world, surpassing 50k inhabitants. Cities during this period were centered around a large temple (two in Uruk's case, at the centers of the towns it grew from) and were ruled theocratically by priest-kings (called ensi). Slavery begins to see heavy use.

In 2900 BC we enter the early dynastic period (2900-2270 BC). Around the beginning of this time the wall around Uruk was built, spanning 9km. We see a split from the priest-king system to a relatively secular ruler (still claiming divine right to rule, as kings will), and a council of elder priests. In 2700 writing began to form out of pictographs, and things like clay tokens were used in accounting. At first, cities were separate entities that can't really project force terribly far. However, any towns around a big city were obviously going to have a hard time, and we actually see towns outright disappear as the cities absorb their populations. Around 2500 BC a king from the city of Lagash named Eannatum conquered the area we now think of as Sumer, creating one of the first empires. However, it fell apart after his death. Two centuries later a king named Lugal-zage-si did something similar, and reigned for fifteen years or so until the Akkadians conquered Sumer.

In 2270, the son of a cup-bearer for a Sumerian king (a social position of high standing and trust, I'll note) named Sargon rose to power, conquered Lugal-zage-di's realm, and led him to his hometown of Akkad in stocks. He went on to carve out an empire stretching nearly from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean. His empire would last until 2147, when a nomadic tribe called the Guti overran the place to a degree that the infrastructure couldn't handle. The empire collapsed, and minor city-states made their return.
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Fucking Faddleman - Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:32:25 EST ID:/5f/+O68 No.57498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hugh Tillingfoot - Mon, 20 Aug 2018 04:48:39 EST ID:RuJIH9Wv No.57509 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Praise OP, thankyou
Priscilla Clandlenun - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 19:21:55 EST ID:iTUH5a8Q No.57512 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>In trying to add some framing to 6000 years of Mesopotamian history, I traced the religious evolution

More than a few do not realize the extent to which Mesopotamia is distinct in religious demographics until now. Two whole religions, the Yezidis and Mandeans, have a large majority located in Mesopotamia. The Church of the East, or Nestorian Christians, have been based there since the 5th century and had churches from Cyprus to China in the Middle Ages. There are 'Jewish Kurds' who, along with the neighboring Christians, speak (or spoke) the language of Assyria from the time of Ashurbanipal. Three of these have had some presence in Iran/Persia, but not the Yezidis whose traditional areas seem to all be in Mesopotamia. I've read that the original pagans were still in existence during the Arab empires. And there are particularly unorthodox Muslim "Alevis" in the northern periphery.
Martin Dashmotch - Wed, 05 Sep 2018 16:11:59 EST ID:stKj2uKJ No.57518 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Seriously the greatest posts this board will ever know.
Shitting Fosslepedge - Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:00:03 EST ID:/JUDCgXP No.57535 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Very cool OP. Fellow History Major here too.

US = Rome 2.0 by Samuel Clombledale - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:32:47 EST ID:6GEx+/2g No.57289 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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If you don't think the US is the cultural and philosophical continuation of Rome get the fuck out of my face.
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Wesley Sarringforth - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 08:15:11 EST ID:XVAFJun6 No.57441 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>By all indications, Rome was pretty singular as far as imperial hegemonies go, right?
Not really, no.

The most singular thing about Rome is that non-historian normies have actually heard of it.
Eliza Fablingfune - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 21:14:49 EST ID:IlyKIasb No.57445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>yadda yadda yadda bunch of LARPers pretended to be roman after it died

Ceasarism is the death of Europe.
Charlotte Gigglebury - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 10:57:19 EST ID:hVN7XbOu No.57468 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Rome was foundational to Western society, but it is dead.
John Shittingham - Sat, 07 Jul 2018 08:59:18 EST ID:LOqox0NU No.57476 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> instead re-branded itself as a religious hegemony which eventually diversified and splintered into multiple independent empires

but at this point what is "it"?
Ernest Sepperhall - Sun, 23 Sep 2018 03:56:35 EST ID:MU/sd7Ce No.57527 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The neoclassical architecture and eagles... Yeah I guess it could be, with some modifications like abolition of slavery and equal rights for women. Germany did the same thing and got their asses kicked in ww2 and that sort of symbolism is stigmatised. The FBI and CIA use eagles as their symbols. Instead of looking for prostitutes under the arches at the Colosseum people look for them under bridges or online. It's kind of a Renaissance/enlightenment era thing philosophically. Can be argued that there is a parallel socially to Rome as a warring state before its decline, terror attacks sort of resembling barbarian vandal tribes sacking rome.

The 'war on terrorism' by Albert Hullypet - Sat, 15 Sep 2018 20:07:30 EST ID:Ytx8gGHk No.57520 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How would we be able to 'end' the war on terrorism?

The romans couldn't defeat the barbarians.

Now today terrorists are invading europe and trying to enforce Sharia law while painting themselves as helpless victims. Is this the new method of modern warfare? They are invading from the inside by the looks of it it appears they're doing it right too.

how would we finally win this so called war on terror.
Martin Pommlefield - Sun, 16 Sep 2018 16:01:23 EST ID:I0gh1mqC No.57521 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The war on terrorism is an effort by the United States and close western allies to justify a global military presence, especially in key strategic regions like central Asia and the seaways around Arabia. The primary purpose of this is geostratgic rivalry with the other potential Eurasian superpowers in Russia and China, as well as a parallel domestic program of fear mongering.
Contrast and compare with the red scare and the cold war policy of containment.

It ends when the Americans lose the will or means to keep it up, but there is no actual enemy to defeat.
Albert Hullypet - Sun, 16 Sep 2018 19:55:52 EST ID:Ytx8gGHk No.57522 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wouldn't they use the CIA for that?
Albert Suttingpig - Thu, 20 Sep 2018 10:37:40 EST ID:GnLfL9+w No.57525 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Pls go back to your fox news forum.

Shays' Rebellion by Shit Fishdock - Wed, 29 Aug 2018 02:10:52 EST ID:M0xFym5C No.57514 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Daniel Shays, Eli Parsons and Job Shattuck did nothing wrong and Samuel Adams should have been hung from a tree.
Eugene Horringpudging - Wed, 05 Sep 2018 10:49:23 EST ID:ifP+KLNs No.57517 Ignore Report Quick Reply
explain your position better then i will respond

help please by Charles Dallymere - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 13:04:25 EST ID:0qSO+rVA No.57461 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I would like to be thoroughly informed on contemporary life in (South) Korea.
Can anyone recommend me books on Korean history from around 1945 onwards, as well as anything more to do with what it's like to live there and be Korean since Industrialisation started, generational differences and such? I don't know where to begin.

I went to my local library and all they had on Korea were two Lonely Planet guides and three war memoirs written by our troops who were involved in the Korean War.
Polly Bommleteg - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:45:45 EST ID:0qSO+rVA No.57463 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I found a load of contemporary Korean ethnographies but they start at $40 and go up to $300 or so.
Thankfully books about North Korea are plentiful and cheap.
Hamilton Dupperfedge - Sun, 24 Jun 2018 12:16:45 EST ID:yWuxaTBb No.57464 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Maybe OP should just go live in the North for a while. Maybe he can study there.
Lived in Korea - Sun, 02 Sep 2018 16:10:42 EST ID:zaHsBkia No.57515 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I lived in Korea for all of 2013 teaching English. Most of the books I read concerned Joseon dynasty happenings (King Sejong's rule and reforms, the Imjin Waeran) but one wonderful, excellent source for modern Korean history is the following blog:


The author, a Canadian PhD in history (IIRC), covers all sorts of events, cultural shifts, and tensions from the late nineteenth century to the present day. There are multiple exhaustively researched posts on:

-the Olympics in 1988 (S. Korea's "we're rich now" coming-out party)
-1970's rule by Park Chung-hee, who jump-started the economy, criminalized marijuana (a traditional medicine for ~2000 years), and gang-pressed any hippies into suicide missions to the North
-the Gwangju pro-democracy uprisings and their brutal suppression
-the wealth gap and what "success" means in Korea today
-the Japanese occupation (torture, land reform, collaborators, legacy)
-the role of Christianity from early missions to present day (Korea is I think the most Christian country in all East Asia - 1/3 of the population or so?)
-anti-foreigner sentiment (the guy does kind of have a persecution complex)
-Korean literature from Yi Sang (1900's) to the present
-Korean film in cultural context (here's a good one I remember him linking to, about getting by in an increasingly money-oriented and less traditional society: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S3srD7qx9c )
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Why did America even give a shit by Phineas Fuckingstone - Wed, 20 Apr 2016 00:46:22 EST ID:NN93ashj No.56644 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Like what was the point of the cold war? Why was someone else following a different economic system... a threat?
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Matilda Fadgehedging - Wed, 25 Jul 2018 23:18:09 EST ID:3e1d6uV9 No.57493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
existence is a necessary ingredient for geopolitical dickery
Ian Battingshit - Thu, 26 Jul 2018 00:31:19 EST ID:I/ObPRRq No.57494 Ignore Report Quick Reply
For the same reason the monarchies of Europe allied against and invaded the new French republic; The royals of Europe saw French citizens overthrowing their royals as a threat to their position and livelihood and attempted to snuff it out as quickly as possible unless it spread to their nations. European royals had more in common together than they did with their subjects (and were often of the same family).

Like the royals of 1800s Europe, so too did the western capitalists view the destruction of the bourgeois class in Russia and China as an immediate threat to their power. These fears real and the threats were real. The French Republic attempted to foment revolution in it's neighbors and the USSR attempted to foment revolution around the world.

It's not about economic differences, it's always been about class struggle.
Lydia Crushwill - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 10:51:05 EST ID:LOqox0NU No.57510 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So the real fight wasn't ideology but geo political dominance?
Frederick Widgebun - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 17:47:24 EST ID:ifP+KLNs No.57511 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Wesley Bunspear - Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:04:10 EST ID:xAfK7Kl5 No.57513 Ignore Report Quick Reply
yes. Capitalist powers even supported Communists when it fit their aims, even at the very start of the Soviet Union. For example, Lenin was chauffeured into Russia by the German Reich. Russia in turn used Western leftists as useful idiots to further its own aims. Same as they do today with Right-wing groups like Jobbik.

And then for a different type of imperialism, you had the element of chauvinistic Jews who saw Soviet-style socialism and mass terror as a way to gain the upper hand over the Goyim, so you got seemingly paradoxical stuff like rich Jewish bankers such as Olof Aschberg, Jacob Schiff and Karl Radek financing the Bolsheviks. Winston Churchill, among others, wrote about this back in the 20's: https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism_versus_Bolshevism

God this board is dead by Jack Ponnernag - Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:48:53 EST ID:putfxC4q No.57503 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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C'mon let's talk about cool history shit. circlejerk sucks.

How would the world look if WW2 never happened?
Eliza Pabberlock - Mon, 13 Aug 2018 23:22:01 EST ID:ifP+KLNs No.57504 Ignore Report Quick Reply
everything would be the same except germany would substitute israel

they would be mad about past shit so everyone in the west would side with their shit
Shitting Tootforth - Tue, 14 Aug 2018 09:10:27 EST ID:fON7i1mk No.57505 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Nicholas Sessleridge - Tue, 14 Aug 2018 18:54:21 EST ID:I0gh1mqC No.57506 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I started to write out some shit but after a while I realized every scenario I can come up with is basically just WWII but different, like if Hitler just doesn't invade Poland and everybody backs off from that Japan was already in China and that would have probably lead to some sort of capitalist gang bang of the Soviet Union if they hadn't gone to war with the allies first, basically in every scenario that doesn't involve Germany declaring war on the whole world the whole world probably declares war on Russia, and that ends with millions dead in total industrial warfare then permanent stalemate and global partition until one side economically collapses as soon as nuclear weapons are invented, that or humanity goes extinct in the 40's
So I guess you have to look further back and say WWI never happened, and while it wasn't as inevitable as people tend to make out that web of alliances and balance of power politics that turned a crisis into a world war goes back 500 years, someone's gonna declare war on someone, and if Russia is one of those someone's they're gonna have a revolution and then wow it just keeps happening
So I guess you go back to Napoleon? The last time the great power structure of Europe was about to rewritten, that's how far back you have to go to make something more less equivalent to WW2 and the cold war not inevitable.

So I guess there's your answer OP, how would the world look if WW2 never happened? Napoleon would have won.

Vikings by Shit Suzzlenick - Thu, 07 Jan 2016 11:17:16 EST ID:yEdEzxgG No.56393 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What are some good resources on the Old Norsemen, or Vikings? Namely I want to learn about their patterns on settlement around Europe. They could have set up a maritime Empire similar to what the British had in later centuries so it seems, so why was that never realized? They conquered enough land to start it.
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Ebenezer Blobblehall - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 15:35:25 EST ID:ifP+KLNs No.57469 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Charlemagne !PXhMv3keyc - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 20:11:44 EST ID:RBbEukYB No.57474 Ignore Report Quick Reply
See if you can find a collection of the Icelandic Sagas somewhere.

Long story short, the Scandis colonized Iceland in the 10th-11th centuries and quickly found themselves a) in a planned society that educated itself to a high degree and b) cooped together up in longhouses for the duration of the shitty winters, so they started telling stories to each other. This resulted in a cultural renaissance in which a metric fuckton of familial legend was written down, and it's now one of the greatest collections of Viking lore you can find, though it's a bit light on the folklore end just because this was happening after they'd been Christianized.

I found a site here but unfortunately it is all in Icelandic http://sagadb.org/
I have a bunch of translations that Penguin put out, they're probably cheap to find used on amazon.
Charlemagne !PXhMv3keyc - Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:56:30 EST ID:RBbEukYB No.57477 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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weak bait
Polly Minkinpan - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 21:00:33 EST ID:CK1mjPuU No.57481 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thats was probably a Finnish boat that Swedish historical revisionists decided to take credit for.
Barnaby Figglefuck - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 22:19:09 EST ID:siJ9imet No.57489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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