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Civilization of the Month by Charlemagne !PXhMv3keyc - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 16:21:24 EST ID:7moSACzs No.57339 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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In preparation for going back to school (and to hopefully bolster some discussion on this nice but very slow board) I'm gonna try this thread format. Each month, assuming I don't get lazy and drop this, I'm gonna post a big thing about a civilization, culture, or political entity. I'm gonna try to avoid obvious topics like Egypt or Rome, and focus on stuff people may not have heard of as much. In an ideal world you guys will join in and discuss the peoples and cultures herein, suggest new topics, or correct me if and when I mess up.

That said, it seems fair to me to start with the beginning. This month's Civilization of the Month is Sumer.

"Sumer" as a name comes to us from their Akkadian neighbors/occasional rulers, who called them Shumer. The Sumerians called themselves "ùĝ saĝ gíg ga", meaning "The black-headed people", a name we learned from the cuneiform tablets they wrote on. Unfortunately, we do not actually know what "Shumer" means; when looking (or, more appropriately, glancing) into it, I pretty much just found academic flamewars.

The Sumerian people seem to have been in the area of modern day Iraq since at least 6500 BC, and continued to do their thing until the second millennium BC. Then they were conquered by the Amorites, who in turn were conquered by the Assyrians. However, their cultural impression was lasting, and Assyrian kings would continue to refer to themselves as "King of Sumer and Akkad" for centuries.

The earliest archaeological site we have for the area is called Tell el-'Oueli. A tell, from Arabic tal, meaning hill or mound, is a giant pile of trash from generations of people living on the same spot. This site consists of two thousand years of the Ubaid period (6500-4000 BC), and is characterized by the style of clay painted pottery, unwalled villages of mud brick houses, and tools (mainly sickles) made of clay usually, though occasionally stone or metal. During this time irrigated agriculture, use of the plow, and sailing were developed, and an egalitarian society became more stratified as a noble chieftain class developed as communities became much bigger than your standard village.

Eventually, pottery became produced more efficiently and trade flourished along the rivers of the Fertile Crescent, which led to the rise of the first cities. This period, named Uruk for the biggest one of the time, lasted from 4100 BC to 2900 BC. Uruk was created when two Ubaid villages grew into each other, and during this period became the most populated city in the world, surpassing 50k inhabitants. Cities during this period were centered around a large temple (two in Uruk's case, at the centers of the towns it grew from) and were ruled theocratically by priest-kings (called ensi). Slavery begins to see heavy use.

In 2900 BC we enter the early dynastic period (2900-2270 BC). Around the beginning of this time the wall around Uruk was built, spanning 9km. We see a split from the priest-king system to a relatively secular ruler (still claiming divine right to rule, as kings will), and a council of elder priests. In 2700 writing began to form out of pictographs, and things like clay tokens were used in accounting. At first, cities were separate entities that can't really project force terribly far. However, any towns around a big city were obviously going to have a hard time, and we actually see towns outright disappear as the cities absorb their populations. Around 2500 BC a king from the city of Lagash named Eannatum conquered the area we now think of as Sumer, creating one of the first empires. However, it fell apart after his death. Two centuries later a king named Lugal-zage-si did something similar, and reigned for fifteen years or so until the Akkadians conquered Sumer.

In 2270, the son of a cup-bearer for a Sumerian king (a social position of high standing and trust, I'll note) named Sargon rose to power, conquered Lugal-zage-di's realm, and led him to his hometown of Akkad in stocks. He went on to carve out an empire stretching nearly from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean. His empire would last until 2147, when a nomadic tribe called the Guti overran the place to a degree that the infrastructure couldn't handle. The empire collapsed, and minor city-states made their return.
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Martha Trotford - Wed, 31 Jan 2018 08:11:28 EST ID:kpuK6LbR No.57357 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Charlemagne !PXhMv3keyc - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 22:55:24 EST ID:RBbEukYB No.57383 Ignore Report Quick Reply
bruvs I'll get on this in a minute, I been movin

I ain't forgot a damn thing, I assure you
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Edwin Worthingford - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:31:36 EST ID:47c8tE2v No.57384 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57383
I kept the faith, Chuck. Looking forward to the Minoans or the Shang Dynasty or whatever.
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Frederick Blobblewill - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:32:43 EST ID:vZXg7z/l No.57385 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ah sumeria, the civilization that started it all
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Alice Dankinshaw - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 22:00:49 EST ID:QXkOojeI No.57390 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>57383


Medieval Japan by Alice Nangermure - Tue, 28 Oct 2014 02:55:10 EST ID:GZTV3220 No.54171 Locked Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Japan's history has always interested me, in fact feudal Japan or Sengoku Japan is what got me into history in the first place. I know it's over played and anime and weaboos have kinda ruined Japan's reputation. But, aside from all that, japan in the Sengoku era was extremely bloody and treacherous. Wars were constantly being fought, enemy armies just a few miles away from you being on such a small island. It was quite war torn. It was much like medieval Europe, just more violent compared to how small the country is and how many battles and wars were fought in such a short time. Their culture and warrior class was extremely sophisticated and unique. It might not be the most powerful or most influential in the world, but the civilizations before the western ideology conquered wer extremely unique and quute different than the rest of the world. You could say that before the west spread Iit's influence, Japan was a pretty mysterious place. It's quite fun to study if you ask me.

Inb4: I'm not some weaboo
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Cedric Lightway - Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:33:21 EST ID:b0Z6XbnQ No.56078 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>54171

How was it more violent than the islands of the UK?
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Cornelius Fillyfuck - Fri, 04 Sep 2015 08:15:45 EST ID:MRc/EBe+ No.56082 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>54172
That's a fantastic In Our Time episode, one of the best.
The other ones related to Japan are "Samurai" "Zen" and "Shinto", they are all pretty good.
>>56078
Look what went on between Scotland and England from about the 1400 onwards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_between_Scotland_and_England
Some boarder disputes and a war that lead to Scotland being ruled by England.
Meanwhile, In Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_battles#Muromachi_Period
Constant warfare between a shitload of clans all the time.
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Matilda Goodhood - Sat, 05 Sep 2015 00:17:29 EST ID:b0Z6XbnQ No.56091 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56082

Should really place the european comparison a good 200years back though. The 1400s were the end of that age of europe and the hailing of the renaissance. Japan (and east asia in general) fell a bit behind in this period, due to political incompetence.
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Alice Blondlechone - Sat, 05 Sep 2015 19:05:41 EST ID:MRc/EBe+ No.56094 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56091
Political competence or constant warfare?
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A Wizard - Mon, 07 Sep 2015 14:43:14 EST ID:b0Z6XbnQ No.56104 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56094


They do go hand in hand I find, lol.


Was Jesus an Iron Age cult leader? by Doris Fuckingson - Thu, 13 Jul 2017 16:42:44 EST ID:6FQAmMFX No.57218 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hi all (Before I start quick disclosure: I am an atheist but I am here to have an honest discussion and am not here to troll and offend anyone.)

When i read the account of Christ and I read it as a myth that was meant to be examined as testimony I imagine that instead of reading a book Luke, John, or Matthew are at the bar just telling me a story about some guy they knew. This is what a testimony is after all: a story someone tells you. If a book is written in the format of a testimony thus you must not necessarily believe the narrator at all times. Sometimes you can assume that he is lying or exaggerating things just like a stranger telling you a story at a bar would. (Sorry for the long intro but it will help the rest of this make sense... hopefully) So following this logic and using its lens to examine the bible I make 3 assumptions as I read the accounts of Christs life.

1 - Jesus is not divine and has no special powers. (ex. I've never seen a dude walk on water why would I believe a testimony that says someone saw someone do it somewhere.)

2 - No one else has special powers everyone is a human limited by the knowledge and culture of Iron Age Middle East.

3 - Jesus is corruptible just like every other person.

Now with all this in play as I go through the bible I hear a story about a Iron age Rabbi that ran an organization with lots of hall marks of a cult like abandoning families to follow a holy teacher, giving up wealth, and dedicating one entire life soul, body, and mind to the holy teacher. Further this holy teacher showed them a bunch of cheap parlor tricks. The holy teacher was so narcissistic and egocentric that anytime anything other then him comes up he tells you how unimportant it is compared to him and tells you to give up everything just to worship him and serve him.

Further he is reckless and his delusions of grandeur like thinking he is himself a god as well as his corrupt nature like soaking himself in a years wages worth of perfume in one sitting in front of a bunch of people who gave everything up to obey and follow him. The picture is clear. I do not see a wise and loving guy. I see Charles Manson or Marshall Applewhite.

Again, I am not here trying to offend anyone, I am just trying to honestly explain my thought process. Now that I explained my thoughts, what I really want to ask is what are yours? How do you read the bible? How do you see Jesus? What do you think were his motivations and aspirations? And most importantly why do you believe these things.
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David Chidgefield - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 00:17:43 EST ID:ueQZvpy5 No.57281 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of the historiography of the Bible save Christians who aren't interested in your logic. What's more important is what type of cult leader Jesus was and how he practiced in reality as opposed to what the Gospels lay down. That's more important when documenting the formation of the religion and understanding how it went on to influence people in later ages.
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Simon Fuckingville - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 17:00:29 EST ID:flID+PsE No.57284 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I've always had a feeling that whatever smoking gun contemporary records or accounts that prove Jesus was just a simple cult leader have either been outright destroyed by the Catholic Church or locked away in their deepest Vatican vaults. Would not even be surprised if the Catholic Church has its' tentacles buried deep into the field of archaeology as to intercept such evidence before it can be properly analyzed and distributed into the public.
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Simon Gonnercocke - Thu, 26 Oct 2017 17:25:15 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57285 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57284
Impossible. Whatever the Vatican could pay archeologists, doesn't weigh up to the gains gotten from busting the whole thing with evidence.

The very competitive nature of science makes it impossible to create information-limiting conspiracies.
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Frederick Blobblewill - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:39:45 EST ID:vZXg7z/l No.57386 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57285
the vatican has a giant disclosed library full of books hidden from the public, perhaps that's where they keep those books
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Martin Funninghall - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:14:26 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57388 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57386
The Vatican's forbidden books are in my opinion probably books written by cult leaders throughout the ages (I imagine it holds Cathar books for example), and just gnostic or mystic christian books in general.


The Oil Industry by Frederick Blaggleham - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 15:40:04 EST ID:8P+TfceH No.57305 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Easily one of the most influential shadow histories in global economics.

Why isn't it talked about more in schools?

Wars have been decided and aimed at the acquiring this black gold.

/his/ Discord for General History - Just started back up again, join if interested
https://discord.gg/sf9tYGd
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Ernest Sublingchork - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:33:50 EST ID:ZDNGCe0G No.57381 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Daniel Yergin, The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money, and Power
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1stQW6i1Ko

Perhaps a good starting point? I enjoyed the documentary series.
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Nicholas Tillingford - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:55:30 EST ID:QXkOojeI No.57382 Ignore Report Quick Reply
most people are under the illusion of nationalism, with a hint of tribemind us vs. them, good guys vs. bad guys thinking


US = Rome 2.0 by Samuel Clombledale - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:32:47 EST ID:6GEx+/2g No.57289 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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If you don't think the US is the cultural and philosophical continuation of Rome get the fuck out of my face.
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Polly Goodwill - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:56:45 EST ID:kI8uAvwR No.57376 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>57375
>you pic related isn't emblazoned on military assets, government buildings and courthouses,
Nice observation. Gold star for you.

And?

If we suddenly started putting kanji on our military uniforms and courthouses, would that retroactively make us the cultural and philosophical successors to Japan?

>nor is it part of the state-authored indoctrination
I have never in my entirely life been made to give the bellamy salute at any stage of my education. Maybe this was more common a few decades ago.

Even then, the mere existence of a salute does not mean cultural and philosophical decent. If that were the deciding factor, that would mean that my dad was a cultural and philosophical descendant of Rome but that I, somehow, am not. Since that wouldn't make any sense, that suggests that salutes are the not deciding factor here.

>you handwaving apologist
Apologist for the recognition of a significant contribution of Germanic, Celtic, West African, Hispanic and Native American culture than some long dead Iron Age polity in the Mediterranean that shares almost nothing in common with most Americans outside of a tangential relationship with some of the communities of NYC/New Jersey?
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Eugene Fullerwill - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:22:26 EST ID:zPITB8K1 No.57377 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57376
> long dead Iron Age polity
Alright, you legitimately just don't know enough about history to be involved in this conversation.

So although it's really tempting I'm not going to bother responding to your attempts at arguments, they're clearly specious so I doubt you'd sway anybody with that silly shit, and you're not participating in good faith anyway.
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Hamilton Davingfuck - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 03:10:07 EST ID:QXkOojeI No.57378 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57377

"good faith" i can always spot the whiny guy who drops this phrase when he gets pissy. as if posting on 420ch is some honorable gentlemanly pursuit restricted only to devout scholars pursuing the finest wealth of idea interchange rather than just memes and shitposts. lol "good faith" smh
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Polly Goodwill - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:33:14 EST ID:kI8uAvwR No.57379 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57377
K.

Bye.

Keep getting mad at people for being "apologists" for... something.
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Archie Gullyridge - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 13:50:36 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57380 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57377
Oh fuck off you goddamn the future immigrant cunt. Go take your retarded antagonist-posting somewhere else, you fucking cocksucker.


Why did America even give a shit by Phineas Fuckingstone - Wed, 20 Apr 2016 00:46:22 EST ID:NN93ashj No.56644 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Like what was the point of the cold war? Why was someone else following a different economic system... a threat?
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Phyllis Fankinkedging - Sat, 10 Feb 2018 15:21:22 EST ID:PmmRJlWL No.57366 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57313
>IT'LL HAPPEN IN SYRIA

Nice commie doomsaying as per usual. Die.
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William Nebbleson - Sat, 10 Feb 2018 17:27:13 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57368 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57366
Who are you quoting? Are you some lost the future immigrant? If so, you need to fuck off.
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Lydia Greencocke - Sat, 10 Feb 2018 17:35:28 EST ID:dUHNnmI0 No.57369 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57366

think you could take the cocks out of your mouth for a moment and offer a single meaningful statement? if not fuck off
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Clara Burringchen - Sat, 10 Feb 2018 21:46:43 EST ID:I7bx5dcu No.57370 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56644
> Why did the British Empire fear and loathe the German Empire?
They didn't; they were complicit in a fucking theatrical production of a pair of wars which the western colonial powers used as a distraction while they carved up the Ottomans, Africa, and East Asia.
Fun fact: British bombers were specifically instructed to avoid German war factories, and instead bombed nearby civilian centres instead. Factories which continued paying dividends to American stockholders right up until the end of the war.

> Why did the British and French also constantly fight?
Hmm, what could Orwell possibly have meant when he said "'The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia" in his satire of the British Ministry of Information?
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Thomas Honeyhall - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:10:04 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57373 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57370
Are you retarded? They bombed civilian centers because there were no laser-guided bunker buster missiles in 1945. Only dumb bombs that had to be aimed by hand. From the bombing bay. While flying through flak. Flying miles up in the air. Trying to hit factories based off fuzzy maps.


Suicide mode d emploi 1982 (Claude Guillon - Yves Le Bonniec) by Suicide mode d emploi 1982 (Claude Guillon - Yves Le Bonniec) request - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 17:56:31 EST ID:jTO7vV4p No.57358 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Does any1 know where to find this? Book in subject... It's a history book.
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Archie Hockledut - Thu, 01 Feb 2018 22:07:23 EST ID:vxn5xcv4 No.57359 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=EDDF9AAE52DE886D01360AEC85661A1F
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Suicide mode d emploi 1982 (Claude Guillon - Yves Le Bonniec) request - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 16:11:00 EST ID:jTO7vV4p No.57360 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57359
Thnx


ISIS Status Update by Vulvarin Trembling - Thu, 14 May 2015 09:42:52 EST ID:q6QF5w+I No.55391 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Even as a pacifist I hope ISIS gets wiped off the earth.
Let all Bullets and Bombs rain down on these deranged religiots.

What's the status actually?
Are they still in control of large areas?
How much is left of them?
When will they be defeated?
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Cyril Buzzwater - Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:48:37 EST ID:6PhWCkVP No.56734 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56733
>America
>free
lol
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Ophange Pemppelo - Wed, 18 Oct 2017 18:12:24 EST ID:7KLCRgz2 No.57282 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Rakka freed by Kurdish-Forves and Mercs!

Good job boys & girls!
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Polly Pittwell - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 10:09:33 EST ID:IPTSCini No.57295 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56677
They was some exmilitary christian crusader folks who went to fight with the PKK but left when they found out they were socialists.

Did Isis ever find a new source of income? Last I heard they basically ran out of banks to rob, but this was years ago.
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Shitting Henningshaw - Mon, 22 Jan 2018 23:17:29 EST ID:bYbZAxnz No.57353 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>57282
>Kurds kicked Daeshs ass
>Germany sells tanks to the turks
>Turks shooting the Kurds now
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Edwin Doggleridge - Tue, 30 Jan 2018 19:07:04 EST ID:dUHNnmI0 No.57356 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57353

I just had a realization that the Kurds are basically the new Poles. Turkey:Syria:US::UK:Russia:Germany


Cults of St. George by Shitting Blackforth - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 22:42:40 EST ID:6GEx+/2g No.57307 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Does anyone have any resources or material on the history or doctrine of any of the cults of St. George that supposedly existed in the medieval times?

I've recently gotten into esoteric Christianity and the Legend of St. George and his martyrdom has great significance to me. I can't really find much on google.
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Edward Dartgold - Thu, 30 Nov 2017 20:41:12 EST ID:57IeChQg No.57314 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Neo-nationalist detected. Nothing is known about the actual historical figure. nb.
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David Bunman - Tue, 05 Dec 2017 17:54:09 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57321 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You mean there wasn't an actual historical figure. St. George is all fucking bogus bullshit. Probably just some retold Greek myth from the middle ages.
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Walter Worthingbury - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 04:32:37 EST ID:60BLApn7 No.57337 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57321
homeboy wasn't asking about the life of St. George, he was asking about cults of St. George in the Middle Ages. Chill out.
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Sidney Mablingfat - Sat, 13 Jan 2018 22:08:05 EST ID:TOP9kWlt No.57343 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57307
Do you have a general work on saints?
Something like: A Brief History of Saints (BLACKWELL BRIEF HISTORIES OF RELIGION), Lawrence S. Cunningham

Footnotes in there could be helpful for something specific on St. George.
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Oliver Bardwell - Wed, 17 Jan 2018 08:36:07 EST ID:dUHNnmI0 No.57344 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57314

kneejerk tribalist reactionary faggot with a superiority complex and poor reading comprehension detected. nb.


Abyssinia General by Lillian Briblingham - Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:32:46 EST ID:MffvHEZt No.57300 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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It's obvious that most of African history is either lumped into one generalized plot line of "primitive city-states" pre colonialism, or overshadowed by Egypt or mostly ignored all together. I want to talk about the most overlooked empire/empires in Africa, and possibly the world.
As far back as D'mt, Axum and then Abyssinia, the nation-state that is now Ethiopia is a deeply ancient culture and history that has played major roles in world history, dating back thousands of years. Before we get bogged down into "starving Ethiopian" meme's, lets take a second to discuss Ethiopian history, and maybe share some ideas about why it might not ever be talked about in our "post-colonial" society.

Let's have at it!
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Hedda Wavingford - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:23:41 EST ID:MffvHEZt No.57303 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57302
I knew there has been ancient forms of Judaism practiced in Ethiopia for millenia, but I never knew it had it's own kingdom! super interesting

bump for more
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Shit Gengerridge - Mon, 27 Nov 2017 10:42:55 EST ID:kI8uAvwR No.57311 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>57302
>Black AND Jewish?
Ethiopia has a pretty unique history with all three Abrahamic religions from their earliest days. It's been home to Beta Israel since time immemorial, was one of the first official Christian states in the world, and provided shelter to Muhammad's persecuted early disciples during the First Hijarat. And this is after centuries of contact and cultural exchange with ancient Egypt, Felix Arabia, the Swahili Coast and the greater Indian Ocean trading network.

(((Abyssinia))) is one of the big unsung historical pillars of both the Western and Near Eastern traditions.
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Phineas Nabblepetch - Tue, 26 Dec 2017 20:04:39 EST ID:QMKnB+lX No.57331 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57302
lol, I learned about these guys from EU IV.
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Charlemagne - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 13:26:17 EST ID:7moSACzs No.57334 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Ethiopian art is pretty interesting. It's got this almost anime style to it and of course you get Ethiopian Jesus. And their script is some fantasy shit, having been around since at least the first century AD, being descended from a Bronze Age Arabic script.
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Charlemagne - Mon, 01 Jan 2018 13:28:27 EST ID:7moSACzs No.57335 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Here's a pic of Ge'ez. Would have shared an alphabet table but then you don't really get a feel for what it looks like.


Movember time by Dance Mania - Sat, 25 Nov 2017 11:04:06 EST ID:5nGcC7gO No.57309 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Dancing in this November. That´s good history of that epic short film. Watch and enjoy that music well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGq-2gY81os


Tell me everything about America + (Soviet) Russia + Middle East by Jack Hillyhall - Tue, 22 Mar 2016 19:00:45 EST ID:asXAvW71 No.56601 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm trying to discuss ISIS with my friends and family, but eventually we always seem to hit some sort of dark spot of ignorance. Questions like:
  • Why is ISIS about religion, unlike Al-Qaeda?
  • Why did America create Al-Qaeda and ISIS? Why is influence in the ME so important?
  • Why did Iraq invade Kuwait, and why was it important enough to cause the Gulf War?
  • Why was the US buddies with Saddam? Why did the relationship go south?
  • Why does the US fear Iran so much?
  • Why did the USSR invade Afghanistan?
  • What possible gain could there be in turning the ME communist?
  • Why does Israel exist?
  • What's Clinton's role?

This is just a fraction of all the questions I have. Please don't feel limited to just answering these questions. I'm really trying to understand the current situation and how we got here. I'm also looking for a good, mostly OBJECTIVE documentary on the subject (possibly impossible to find?)
Really, I'm just looking for an outline of the past 60 years of history, simple enough for anyone interested enough to ask the question to understand. I realize I could just google it, but most of the times the reasoning they provide is as dry and unhelpful as "it was a in response to this event".

I know this is asking for much, but face it, ya'll fuckers love history enough that you'll enjoy telling me everything you know. you enjoy telling ignoramuses like me what's up.
Tl;DR: read the title and do it.
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Nigel Clandleshaw - Tue, 03 Jan 2017 18:17:33 EST ID:bNT6UmHB No.57033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I see people just guessing in this thread.
If you want to understand M.E history then you have go back to the imperialism days. After the imperialists left, the area was carved up with no regard to the original national, ethnic, religious factors. The countires became, and still are, primitive authoritarian system of governance. That's about early-mid 20th century shit. A lot of your questions are small time which is kinda bad if you want the bigger picture.
>Why is ISIS about religion, unlike Al-Qaeda?
Do you mean what were the factors to it's ideological birth?
A severe lack of education, poverty, a prominent religions role in the M.E, reactionary radicalization because of foreign interests.

>Why did America create Al-Qaeda and ISIS? Why is influence in the ME so important?
America indirectly created Al-Qaeda, it wasn't the number 1 intention. The U.S armed the mujahideen against the U.S.S.R. Then the mujahideen turned against the U.S. because of general involvement in the M.E (support of Israel, economic and military influence). ISIS was created by the same source of people, the militant religious radicals from the 80's and 90's , all the while radicalizing new and younger people.

>Why is influence in the ME so important?
Why is the influence in Asia or Europe so important? Because it's territory. There's still east vs. west mentality.

>Why did Iraq invade Kuwait, and why was it important enough to cause the Gulf War?
Iraq was authoritarian, it was only natural to start wars for economic and power gains. He also waged war on kurds and Iran. This is what authoritarian systems do.
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Samuel Chaddlestone - Wed, 04 Jan 2017 03:34:05 EST ID:UqesEraZ No.57034 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57033
Good post, Nigel. Excellent work.
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Henry Chedgeman - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 15:41:22 EST ID:qzwjzNUD No.57283 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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dude it's just a coincidence
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Ebenezer Wugglebig - Wed, 01 Nov 2017 16:33:28 EST ID:/EK+cIBP No.57294 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57032
This is why middle-eastern genocide is only 99% bad. All of our heroin comes from US controlled Afghan, and don't even get me started on their kush. Fucking uptight Taliban would cut a nigs head off for growing that shit.
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Nathaniel Havingfodge - Thu, 09 Nov 2017 17:06:39 EST ID:PmmRJlWL No.57297 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>57283
>when Australia grows opium to feed Big Pharma's mass prescriptipon campaign in America, it's fine
>when Afghans do it to fill the demand after Big Pharma got them all hooked it's wrong

>even though both fund terrorism


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