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Elephant Oral History by Henry Nammlestock - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 15:30:59 EST ID:oHCCRqeL No.57478 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Do you think that elephants pass on stories the way that humans do? I know that they can tell each other of watering holes, people who will help them when they are sick, and areas to avoid when there are poachers around. Do you think the elephants ever embellish stories? Do you think there are elephants telling stories to their children that they heard from their own grandparent elephants? I wonder what it would be like if we could somehow understand and record their stories. How different and similar they are to us.
Charlotte Dendlespear - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 19:54:41 EST ID:LOqox0NU No.57479 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Don't know Op but I enjoyed the reminiscences of "Elephant Bill" in the book of the same name about his time in Burma working in an elephant camp after ww2
Frederick Clinderstone - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 11:13:56 EST ID:7bxp95ex No.57480 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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They still talk about the time when they had to fight a fucking army of sword-wielding monkeys

Vikings by Shit Suzzlenick - Thu, 07 Jan 2016 11:17:16 EST ID:yEdEzxgG No.56393 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What are some good resources on the Old Norsemen, or Vikings? Namely I want to learn about their patterns on settlement around Europe. They could have set up a maritime Empire similar to what the British had in later centuries so it seems, so why was that never realized? They conquered enough land to start it.
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Samuel Clallyshit - Mon, 30 May 2016 08:52:43 EST ID:EwfT3m0k No.56703 Ignore Report Quick Reply
well, it's also not built by highschoolers, to be fair.
Ebenezer Docklehall - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 05:30:02 EST ID:ZOEUWx6F No.57466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Vikings were a culture group not a single polity.

Specific Viking tribes carved out colonies where they supplanted themselves as the local aristocracy. The largest ones were Normandy, the English Danelaw, Rus and coastal Scotland and Ireland. No Viking leader ever earned recognition over the entire Norse speaking world.

Like Gaels, Vikings were extremely fractious. Norway and Denmark weren't unified until the 10th century. Cnut the Great came closest. Harold Hadarada, King of Norway, was recognised as King in colonies as far as Iceland to Russia. Although he claimed the thrones of Sweden, Denmark and England too, he never controlled them, and died while invading the last.

Each were assimilated into the general population after 2-3 centuries much like their Gothic cousins. The Vandals assimilated in Tunisia, Ostrogoths into Italy, Suebi and Visigoths into Iberia. The Alemannic Langobardi assimilated into Lombardy and the Franks assimilated into Gaul.
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Charlemagne !PXhMv3keyc - Wed, 04 Jul 2018 20:11:44 EST ID:RBbEukYB No.57474 Ignore Report Quick Reply
See if you can find a collection of the Icelandic Sagas somewhere.

Long story short, the Scandis colonized Iceland in the 10th-11th centuries and quickly found themselves a) in a planned society that educated itself to a high degree and b) cooped together up in longhouses for the duration of the shitty winters, so they started telling stories to each other. This resulted in a cultural renaissance in which a metric fuckton of familial legend was written down, and it's now one of the greatest collections of Viking lore you can find, though it's a bit light on the folklore end just because this was happening after they'd been Christianized.

I found a site here but unfortunately it is all in Icelandic http://sagadb.org/
I have a bunch of translations that Penguin put out, they're probably cheap to find used on amazon.
Charlemagne !PXhMv3keyc - Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:56:30 EST ID:RBbEukYB No.57477 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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weak bait

US = Rome 2.0 by Samuel Clombledale - Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:32:47 EST ID:6GEx+/2g No.57289 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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If you don't think the US is the cultural and philosophical continuation of Rome get the fuck out of my face.
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Phoebe Trotforth - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 02:16:54 EST ID:EMkKTYeq No.57440 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This. Rome is alive and well friends.
Wesley Sarringforth - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 08:15:11 EST ID:XVAFJun6 No.57441 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>By all indications, Rome was pretty singular as far as imperial hegemonies go, right?
Not really, no.

The most singular thing about Rome is that non-historian normies have actually heard of it.
Eliza Fablingfune - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 21:14:49 EST ID:IlyKIasb No.57445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>yadda yadda yadda bunch of LARPers pretended to be roman after it died

Ceasarism is the death of Europe.
Charlotte Gigglebury - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 10:57:19 EST ID:hVN7XbOu No.57468 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Rome was foundational to Western society, but it is dead.
John Shittingham - Sat, 07 Jul 2018 08:59:18 EST ID:LOqox0NU No.57476 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> instead re-branded itself as a religious hegemony which eventually diversified and splintered into multiple independent empires

but at this point what is "it"?

Civilization of the Month by Charlemagne !PXhMv3keyc - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 16:21:24 EST ID:7moSACzs No.57339 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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In preparation for going back to school (and to hopefully bolster some discussion on this nice but very slow board) I'm gonna try this thread format. Each month, assuming I don't get lazy and drop this, I'm gonna post a big thing about a civilization, culture, or political entity. I'm gonna try to avoid obvious topics like Egypt or Rome, and focus on stuff people may not have heard of as much. In an ideal world you guys will join in and discuss the peoples and cultures herein, suggest new topics, or correct me if and when I mess up.

That said, it seems fair to me to start with the beginning. This month's Civilization of the Month is Sumer.

"Sumer" as a name comes to us from their Akkadian neighbors/occasional rulers, who called them Shumer. The Sumerians called themselves "ùĝ saĝ gíg ga", meaning "The black-headed people", a name we learned from the cuneiform tablets they wrote on. Unfortunately, we do not actually know what "Shumer" means; when looking (or, more appropriately, glancing) into it, I pretty much just found academic flamewars.

The Sumerian people seem to have been in the area of modern day Iraq since at least 6500 BC, and continued to do their thing until the second millennium BC. Then they were conquered by the Amorites, who in turn were conquered by the Assyrians. However, their cultural impression was lasting, and Assyrian kings would continue to refer to themselves as "King of Sumer and Akkad" for centuries.

The earliest archaeological site we have for the area is called Tell el-'Oueli. A tell, from Arabic tal, meaning hill or mound, is a giant pile of trash from generations of people living on the same spot. This site consists of two thousand years of the Ubaid period (6500-4000 BC), and is characterized by the style of clay painted pottery, unwalled villages of mud brick houses, and tools (mainly sickles) made of clay usually, though occasionally stone or metal. During this time irrigated agriculture, use of the plow, and sailing were developed, and an egalitarian society became more stratified as a noble chieftain class developed as communities became much bigger than your standard village.

Eventually, pottery became produced more efficiently and trade flourished along the rivers of the Fertile Crescent, which led to the rise of the first cities. This period, named Uruk for the biggest one of the time, lasted from 4100 BC to 2900 BC. Uruk was created when two Ubaid villages grew into each other, and during this period became the most populated city in the world, surpassing 50k inhabitants. Cities during this period were centered around a large temple (two in Uruk's case, at the centers of the towns it grew from) and were ruled theocratically by priest-kings (called ensi). Slavery begins to see heavy use.

In 2900 BC we enter the early dynastic period (2900-2270 BC). Around the beginning of this time the wall around Uruk was built, spanning 9km. We see a split from the priest-king system to a relatively secular ruler (still claiming divine right to rule, as kings will), and a council of elder priests. In 2700 writing began to form out of pictographs, and things like clay tokens were used in accounting. At first, cities were separate entities that can't really project force terribly far. However, any towns around a big city were obviously going to have a hard time, and we actually see towns outright disappear as the cities absorb their populations. Around 2500 BC a king from the city of Lagash named Eannatum conquered the area we now think of as Sumer, creating one of the first empires. However, it fell apart after his death. Two centuries later a king named Lugal-zage-si did something similar, and reigned for fifteen years or so until the Akkadians conquered Sumer.

In 2270, the son of a cup-bearer for a Sumerian king (a social position of high standing and trust, I'll note) named Sargon rose to power, conquered Lugal-zage-di's realm, and led him to his hometown of Akkad in stocks. He went on to carve out an empire stretching nearly from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean. His empire would last until 2147, when a nomadic tribe called the Guti overran the place to a degree that the infrastructure couldn't handle. The empire collapsed, and minor city-states made their return.
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Charlemagne !PXhMv3keyc - Sun, 01 Jul 2018 17:45:47 EST ID:RBbEukYB No.57465 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Charlemagne !PXhMv3keyc - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 16:53:58 EST ID:RBbEukYB No.57470 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I did tell y'all from the start that I was lazy. That said, the Civilization for this month, such as it is, is Cambodia.
The etymology of Cambodia is a fun one, and is fairly typical of English exonyms when it comes to Asian cultures. English "Cambodia" comes from French "Cambodge", which comes from the Khmer "kampuchiə". Kampuchea comes from, and here we'll see how nicely the chan wants to play with non-Roman characters, the Sanskrit कम्बोजदेश kambojadeśa, which means "Land of Kamboja", an Iron Age Indian tribe which became one of the sixteen Mahajanapadas, or great kingdoms, of ancient India, as chronicled by the Buddhist text Anguttara Nikaya. Right about here I'm gonna mention that South Asian cultures are definitely outside my admittedly Eurocentric comfort zone, so if I fuck something up don't be afraid to call me on it.
I'm not gonna spend too much time in prehistory. The long and short of it is, people seem to have been living in the area since about 6000 BC, adopted rice farming from their northern neighbors beginning around 3000 BC, and started making circular earthworks in the second millenium, theorized to have been temporary village sites with earthen walls and ditches to contain livestock, abandoned when the soil was depleted from use in rice farming. Iron was in use by 500 BC, trade with India was established by the 4th century BC, and evidence arises from burials and such of social structure, organization of labor and different trade routes.
The relationship of the Cambodian region with India would prove to be a defining one. The Cambodian states of Funan, Chenla, and Khmer are all considered part of Greater India, or states which adopted the religion, social structure and overall culture of India as a whole in much the same way states surrounding China did as well. This is rather different than the cultural assimilation of say, the Romans, which was almost entirely accomplished through conquest, while Sino/Indianization tended to be more of a cultural seeping through trade and general contact. People just saw what they were doing and liked it enough to do it themselves. This is not to say that assi…
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Charlemagne !PXhMv3keyc - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 16:58:23 EST ID:RBbEukYB No.57471 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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According to Chinese annals, in the sixth century CE one of the Funanese vassal states, known as Chenla, gained its independence from Funan and promptly conquered it. However, this is currently hotly contested as the references in said annals are passing at best. Simple fact of the matter is, China was and is huge and generally didn't give too much of a damn about their neighbors provided they still got tribute and no armies appeared on their borders. When recording the annual doings of literally everything going on, some petty uprising over in the southwest gets, like, a sentence. Also suspect is the fact that these records tended to be put together at the beginning of a new dynasty as a traditional way of establishing credibility and legitimacy. So this isn't a record of a thing that happened last year, but of something that happened, in the case of the rise of Chenla, four centuries ago before being recorded in the New Book of Tang. Its credibility is shaky at best.
In any case, according to the New Book of Tang, Chenla ruled for about a century before being split into "Water Chenla" and "Mountain Chenla", before being conquered by Javanese pirates. Clearly the term "pirate" has a different connotation in the Asiatic realm than in the West; if I had to guess, we're looking at a typical gang structure writ large into seagoing organized tribes and confederacies*.
So, that's the Chinese take on it, which was undisputed until about the 1970's, when someone actually started looking around for themselves. What was found was a rise in epigraphy, or stone inscriptions, during the seventh century. It was pointed out that these were generally unique and widespread, indicating that there were multiple independent territories rather than one centralized elite power. Said inscriptions drop off a century later, and the going theory is that the entire region was simply a decentralized squabbling anarchy from the fall of the Funanese mandala until the rise of the Khmer Empire.
The Khmer, or Angkor Enpire was founded in 802 CE by Jayavarman II, who according to inscribed stone records, had been a prince or high noble under the Javanese Shailendras in the southwest (w…
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Charlemagne !PXhMv3keyc - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 17:01:12 EST ID:RBbEukYB No.57472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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During the reign of Suryavarman II, the temple of Angkor Wat was built to honor Vishnu, and the emperor conducted campaigns against the Chams and Viets in the east, which likely lead to his death in the 1140s. A succession crisis kept the empire in chaos until Angkor Wat was sacked by the Chams during a naval battle in 1177. A prince named Jayavarman VII amassed an army, retook the capital and campaigned against Champa for 22 years, gaining large amounts of territory in the process. Jayavarman became notable for not being a huge dick like his successors, who I would guess followed the general short-term-king pattern of usurp, oppress, get usurped on one typically sees in periods of instability. He established a new capital called Angkor Thom, built hella temples to commemmorate himself, boddhisattvas, his parents, and the world at large. He also built another damn reservoir, along with a road system with rest stops and over a hundred hospitals.
After his death, his son Indravarman II gained the throne, and immediately faced troubles from inside and out. He was forced to cede eastern territory to an alliance of the Dai Viet and Champa in 1220, and
western territory to his Thai subjects, who formed their own kingdom. In 1243 he was succeeded by Jayavarman VIII, an avid Hindu who set forth on a campaign of iconoclasm against Buddhist imagery, destroying statues and converting temples to Hinduism. Forty years into his rule, the Khans, now in control of China, began extracting tribute from the Khmers, and upon his deposition in 1295, his son-in-law reconverted the empire to Buddhism.
At this point, the empire began to decline for a number of reasons. Civil wars became the status quo, plague rampaged throughout the area, and it's theorized the authority of the king declined when the adoption of pure Buddhism became state fact: If the king is not a god, he doesn't need temples, and if he doesn't need temples, he isn't using the infrastructure that commanded largescale public labor. As such, a number of the reservoirs were not maintained, and so flood and famine became commonplace. Meanwhile, the Thai kingdom of Sukhothai, who had split off from Khmer in the reign of Indravarman II, was conquere…
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Charlemagne !PXhMv3keyc - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 17:06:04 EST ID:RBbEukYB No.57473 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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While all this was going on, Pol Pot was also attempting to regain the Mekong Delta, given to Vietnam by the French during the liberation of French Indochina. Thoroughly fed up with his shit, Vietnam invaded Cambodia in 1978 and established a government run by a pro-Soviet group, the Kampuchean People's Revolutionary Party, a splinter group of the early Khmer Rouge who had fled Pot's purges. This government was essentially a Vietnamese puppet state. In response, the Khmer Rouge, a faction headed by Sihanouk, and a group called the Khmer People's Liberation Front (are you tired of generic communist group names yet?) formed an opposition force called the Coalition Government of Democratic Kampuchea in 1981. Peace efforts were enacted in Paris in 1989, eventually leading to the restoration of Norodom Sihanouk as the king of Cambodia in 1993. Another coup was led by the then co-Prime Minister in 1997, however the country has mostly stabilized now. Pol Pot died of heart failure in house arrest in 1998, the day he learned he would be turned over to an international tribunal.

As an Indianized region, the Khmer people reflect similar interests and ideals of their western neighbors. During the Khmer Empire, a caste system was in effect that differentiated rice farmers and fishermen from kshatriyas (nobles and soldiers) and brahmin priests, as well as a separate artisan class and, of course, slaves. The religion was typically a blend of Hinduism with a growing subset of Buddhism over time, along with the god-king motif of the Devaraja cult.
The people placed great importance in the sacrity of mountains and hills, to the point that their temples were often stepped pyramids referred to as temple-mountains, attempts to construct mountains of their own. These temples were highly ornately decorated, with the temple of Bayon reportedly coated in gold when completed. Said temples have an extremely nuanced number of styles used throughout the ages, and were often built of brick, sandstone and laterite, a type of clay. These temples are absolutely plastered with bas relief sculpture and decoration of all kinds.
The Khmer people engaged in rigorous terraforming of their land, constructing complex reser…
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help please by Charles Dallymere - Tue, 12 Jun 2018 13:04:25 EST ID:0qSO+rVA No.57461 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I would like to be thoroughly informed on contemporary life in (South) Korea.
Can anyone recommend me books on Korean history from around 1945 onwards, as well as anything more to do with what it's like to live there and be Korean since Industrialisation started, generational differences and such? I don't know where to begin.

I went to my local library and all they had on Korea were two Lonely Planet guides and three war memoirs written by our troops who were involved in the Korean War.
Polly Bommleteg - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:45:45 EST ID:0qSO+rVA No.57463 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I found a load of contemporary Korean ethnographies but they start at $40 and go up to $300 or so.
Thankfully books about North Korea are plentiful and cheap.
Hamilton Dupperfedge - Sun, 24 Jun 2018 12:16:45 EST ID:yWuxaTBb No.57464 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Maybe OP should just go live in the North for a while. Maybe he can study there.

Critique my essay by Phyllis Clayshit - Thu, 31 May 2018 14:07:58 EST ID:lWvxu3m1 No.57457 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Augustus Fuckingstone - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 10:42:32 EST ID:ReOcdgba No.57458 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Its bad

Why did America even give a shit by Phineas Fuckingstone - Wed, 20 Apr 2016 00:46:22 EST ID:NN93ashj No.56644 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Like what was the point of the cold war? Why was someone else following a different economic system... a threat?
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Sophie Migglechire - Mon, 02 Apr 2018 18:40:52 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57423 Ignore Report Quick Reply





Edwin Cligglededging - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 17:21:20 EST ID:/mZfItc6 No.57427 Ignore Report Quick Reply
friendly reminder that germany never bombed london until the britbongs bombed berlin first
Samuel Forringwere - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 21:01:13 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57428 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Friendly reminder that the UK never bombed Germany until the huns bombed Poland first.
Lydia Gommertug - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 14:59:30 EST ID:wty78VYY No.57443 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Except when they did during WWI.
William Brirrymot - Fri, 11 May 2018 16:20:33 EST ID:wwH2bg7s No.57454 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because the US didn't give a fuck after WWI and the world went immediately back to shit so Americans realized they needed to establish a framework that benefitted them primarily, under the guise of altruism to make it more palatable to naysayers at home and abroad.

Musketmen by Graham Mavingridge - Sun, 02 Oct 2016 19:47:46 EST ID:KCDGi4tU No.56914 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So in the 17th and 16th century muskets used a matchlock or wheellock mechanism to fire and therefore took a long time to reload, leaving the musketeers vulnerable, so they needed Pikemen to protect them. My question is- why didn't they just attach the pike underneath the musket and turn them into Piketeers?

I mean if you attached it underneath the musket with hoops, you could move the pike along so the musket was at the centre of gravity when you fired it. And obviously if it got to close quarters you could just us the pike like a pike.
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Cornelius Blummerstone - Wed, 02 May 2018 03:56:35 EST ID:UBDjnNcI No.57449 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also, muskets were relatively expensive to produce and less sturdy than a simple spear. Using them in melee combat would make them liable to break and thus causing the army a large economical penalty.
Phyllis Chindleford - Thu, 03 May 2018 16:48:59 EST ID:ePy5Qkuv No.57450 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Its a good idea for CQC

Also I feel like it wouldn't be that hard to compensate for the misallignment by knowing that the bayonet is 6 inches or whatever beneath the barrel. Besides that, you can stab anywhere on the torso with them.. pretty big target area.
Ebenezer Turveyforth - Sat, 05 May 2018 20:14:38 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57451 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah you can compensate for it when you're fighting unarmed people or fellow gun users.

But if you're up against someone with an actual melee weapon, like a spear or sword, you're fucked. Unless you're some kind of duel master. In which case you probably would use a sword or spear, instead of a bayonet.
Henry Pungerdock - Tue, 08 May 2018 06:07:29 EST ID:vk3jeQdF No.57452 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I've been trained in fighting with bayonets in the military. It's not the alignment so much as the balance. Everything at the bottom near your hand is heavy and your weapon tip is extremely light. The complete opposite of any specialised melee weapon. It's also why sweeping from the back with the butt is a lot more satisfying.
Angus Clenningwill - Wed, 09 May 2018 13:06:30 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57453 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>It's not the alignment so much as the balance.

I love you bro, no homo.

Histories biggest Chad by Isabella Blunnergold - Fri, 30 Mar 2018 21:26:22 EST ID:2kVQJUZ4 No.57414 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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My vote goes to Mark Antony
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Archie Gongerstock - Mon, 02 Apr 2018 04:32:29 EST ID:zPMk1XQv No.57420 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Gaiseric, King of the Vandals and Alans in the 5th century
>gets passed over for the crown cause he's a bastard, kills his baby halfbrother and gets away with it
>get crippled and can't ride horses anymore, acquires boats
>gets fucked with in Hispania, conquers everything from Mauretania to Carthage with the most ragass army of the Germans in Europe
>the Byzantines kiss his ass already, kicks the shit out of them anyways
>fucks with the entire empire out of Carthage of all places, when it gets attacked he defends his capital with a couple broken boats and wins
>the Byzantines kiss his ass again and name him foederatus like a bunch of kcmods
>scares the shit out of Flavius Aetius, the guy who broke Attila the Fucking Hun at Locus Mauriacus
>mutilates his daughter in law to try and get his son some Imperial kitty
>oh, did I forget to mention that he sacked fucking Rome? Gaiseric sacked fucking Rome
>has stinky whiskey poop gas all over the treasures of the Republic, Principate, and Dominate
>respect for cultural acheivements is for virgins like Alaric, who couldn't even land on Africa without dying of the sniffles
>dies peacefully in his own bed, unlike virtually everyone else around him, who he outlived
Sophie Migglechire - Mon, 02 Apr 2018 18:43:03 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57424 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I was like "Dude, Gaiseric is a fictional character from the manga Berzerk", but then I looked it up and this guy was a real barbarian king.
Ebenezer Sillerhock - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 01:03:53 EST ID:zPMk1XQv No.57425 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Yeah, I got really sad when I tried to pick up a picture of him for my post and all duckduckgo gave me was excerpts from the manga. I imagine Medieval poetic epic fans feel the same when they look up Astolfo and drown in lewd femboi goodness.
Hedda Dreddlewag - Tue, 03 Apr 2018 12:21:56 EST ID:2kVQJUZ4 No.57426 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Oh my god I'm so fucking sick of Astolfo
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Yeah he kind of has become the meme husbando of choice for fashionable bisexuals and other irritants. I like him, he's so very cute and bubbly, but not unlike with Heath Ledger's Joker back in the day, I have to keep a wide berth so I don't get swallowed up by the cancer.

Back on topic, though, I'd also like to nominate Ted Bundy.
>grows up in a home with an abusive, racist grandfather and a grandmother that gets shock treatment monthly or so for depression
>is told that his mother is his sister, figures out that this is bullshit on his own
>ends up rich and successful anyways
>some girl breaks his heart
>he gets a new girlfriend, cheats on her with the old one, winning back the old gf's love just so he can then break her heart and laugh about it
>can get any woman he wants
>abducts, rapes, tortures, and murders them anyways
>in jail as a murder suspect
>fucking escapes, could have laid low and gone free, just goes around murdering people anyways
>final murder trial is going well, he might just get off scot-free somehow
>shithouses the whole deal anyways
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ISIS Status Update by Vulvarin Trembling - Thu, 14 May 2015 09:42:52 EST ID:q6QF5w+I No.55391 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Even as a pacifist I hope ISIS gets wiped off the earth.
Let all Bullets and Bombs rain down on these deranged religiots.

What's the status actually?
Are they still in control of large areas?
How much is left of them?
When will they be defeated?
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Polly Pittwell - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 10:09:33 EST ID:IPTSCini No.57295 Ignore Report Quick Reply
They was some exmilitary christian crusader folks who went to fight with the PKK but left when they found out they were socialists.

Did Isis ever find a new source of income? Last I heard they basically ran out of banks to rob, but this was years ago.
Shitting Henningshaw - Mon, 22 Jan 2018 23:17:29 EST ID:bYbZAxnz No.57353 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Kurds kicked Daeshs ass
>Germany sells tanks to the turks
>Turks shooting the Kurds now
Edwin Doggleridge - Tue, 30 Jan 2018 19:07:04 EST ID:dUHNnmI0 No.57356 Ignore Report Quick Reply

I just had a realization that the Kurds are basically the new Poles. Turkey:Syria:US::UK:Russia:Germany
Priscilla Murdbanks - Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:49:36 EST ID:sYpKvVF0 No.57404 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Looks like its gone South for the Kurds in Afrin with the Turkish army offensive. Meanwhile ISIS have re-emerged in Iraq and have been in conflict with the Kurds in recent weeks.
Phyllis Brookville - Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:30:47 EST ID:/mZfItc6 No.57405 Ignore Report Quick Reply

yeah, poor kurd-bros got fucked in afrin by erdoganistan

The Oil Industry by Frederick Blaggleham - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 15:40:04 EST ID:8P+TfceH No.57305 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Easily one of the most influential shadow histories in global economics.

Why isn't it talked about more in schools?

Wars have been decided and aimed at the acquiring this black gold.

/his/ Discord for General History - Just started back up again, join if interested
Ernest Sublingchork - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:33:50 EST ID:ZDNGCe0G No.57381 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Daniel Yergin, The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money, and Power

Perhaps a good starting point? I enjoyed the documentary series.
Nicholas Tillingford - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:55:30 EST ID:QXkOojeI No.57382 Ignore Report Quick Reply
most people are under the illusion of nationalism, with a hint of tribemind us vs. them, good guys vs. bad guys thinking
Caroline Murdson - Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:49:12 EST ID:gGfsSn/q No.57402 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's not taught in schools because then there's a whole other list of things that should be talked about, like the way the middle East was mapped and forced to comply to those borders, and how THAT was based on the division of Africa and the ability to exploit other resources. And how THAT was allowable because of the leadership that was in charge of WWI and WWII, our deified governmental leaders who were, at best, period socially liberal and radically so but today were still astoundingly openly racist. And THEN you have to talk about...
See how this is going? This doesn't happen because, no snit, there's a school that no limits historybeing truly taught in public schools, and showing people for their entire persons and not just the neat stuff you can talk about at the soda shop with B&V. I mean, it makes for boring discourse ALLL. THROUGH. LIFE. But it also means others can... feel better? I dunno.

Was Jesus an Iron Age cult leader? by Doris Fuckingson - Thu, 13 Jul 2017 16:42:44 EST ID:6FQAmMFX No.57218 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hi all (Before I start quick disclosure: I am an atheist but I am here to have an honest discussion and am not here to troll and offend anyone.)

When i read the account of Christ and I read it as a myth that was meant to be examined as testimony I imagine that instead of reading a book Luke, John, or Matthew are at the bar just telling me a story about some guy they knew. This is what a testimony is after all: a story someone tells you. If a book is written in the format of a testimony thus you must not necessarily believe the narrator at all times. Sometimes you can assume that he is lying or exaggerating things just like a stranger telling you a story at a bar would. (Sorry for the long intro but it will help the rest of this make sense... hopefully) So following this logic and using its lens to examine the bible I make 3 assumptions as I read the accounts of Christs life.

1 - Jesus is not divine and has no special powers. (ex. I've never seen a dude walk on water why would I believe a testimony that says someone saw someone do it somewhere.)

2 - No one else has special powers everyone is a human limited by the knowledge and culture of Iron Age Middle East.

3 - Jesus is corruptible just like every other person.

Now with all this in play as I go through the bible I hear a story about a Iron age Rabbi that ran an organization with lots of hall marks of a cult like abandoning families to follow a holy teacher, giving up wealth, and dedicating one entire life soul, body, and mind to the holy teacher. Further this holy teacher showed them a bunch of cheap parlor tricks. The holy teacher was so narcissistic and egocentric that anytime anything other then him comes up he tells you how unimportant it is compared to him and tells you to give up everything just to worship him and serve him.

Further he is reckless and his delusions of grandeur like thinking he is himself a god as well as his corrupt nature like soaking himself in a years wages worth of perfume in one sitting in front of a bunch of people who gave everything up to obey and follow him. The picture is clear. I do not see a wise and loving guy. I see Charles Manson or Marshall Applewhite.

Again, I am not here trying to offend anyone, I am just trying to honestly explain my thought process. Now that I explained my thoughts, what I really want to ask is what are yours? How do you read the bible? How do you see Jesus? What do you think were his motivations and aspirations? And most importantly why do you believe these things.
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Frederick Blobblewill - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:39:45 EST ID:vZXg7z/l No.57386 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the vatican has a giant disclosed library full of books hidden from the public, perhaps that's where they keep those books
Martin Funninghall - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:14:26 EST ID:rbK+gS1r No.57388 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Vatican's forbidden books are in my opinion probably books written by cult leaders throughout the ages (I imagine it holds Cathar books for example), and just gnostic or mystic christian books in general.
Hannah Hecklewell - Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:15:23 EST ID:tzC97MoX No.57391 Ignore Report Quick Reply

i think OP you're being slightly harsh on jesus here, not way off, just reading some sinister intentions in to what may have been genuine philosophy, misguided or not.

first of all Jesus may not have ever claimed to be capable of miracles. For instance take the fish and bread that fed too many people, maybe in real life, Jesus convinced a large number of very hungry people to share a relatively small amount of food and everybody ended up with some. That might constitute a "miracle" in some sense, it would be the kind of thing that would make you respect the charisma and authority of somebody, without it being actually supernatural. And then 5-8 generations and 100-200 years later when the gospels were written (just ball parking here) the story had morphed into full miracles

pretty much all of the miracles i could find in the gospels could be explained in similar ways, turning the water to wine could be done in a similar way to the fish and bread, maybe he was just good at planning parties in an era where most parties ended up with physical altercations over the wine. as for raising people from the dead i dont recall him ever raising anybody who wasnt recently deceased and ancient medical knowledge wasnt that good, maybe some poor souls werent really dead and had a brief bit of awareness when jesus happened to come through and bless them

so i dont think the miracles thing is necessarily evidence that Jesus was deceiving his disciples.

as far as asking that his followers abandon family and possessions, there's no doubt this is a hallmark of cult behavior, however, i think there's a difference between deceptive narcisissitic cults and genuinely deluded cults, like the difference between charles manson's cult and mormonism

maybe jesus really truly believed his followers would achieve the highest truth, morality, etc by giving up everything and following him, he would not be even remotely alone in thinking this way, its basically the story of like every ancient buddhist/eastern spiritual leader

this applies to the fact that he focuses everything on himself too, if he really thought he had discovered the secrets of the universe, then it would only be right for everybody to drop everything and listen to him, and maybe he really thought there was no better use for a ton of expensive perfume than to make some cryptic philophical point (i actually dont remember what the perfume thing was about)
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Edwin Tootbury - Sat, 24 Mar 2018 12:34:56 EST ID:PmmRJlWL No.57411 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If true, it'd be pointless to keep them so secret. Nobody cares about dualism in 2018. There's plenty enough Gnostic texts out there to piece together what they believed. All they'd be doing is hindering the progress of archaeology. Would you not want to provide evidence of the success of your past conquests?

No, I suspect the texts in that library are far more 'foundational' than heretical.
Walter Hillerhood - Wed, 04 Apr 2018 17:05:55 EST ID:IlyKIasb No.57430 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP's observation is neither new nor particularly unique btw.

As Simon bar Kokhba, but he is not remembered like Jesus was because his followers blew their load fast.

It is better to say that Hellenistic age Judaism fostered both messianic and proselytic tendencies that manifested in a diverse set of cultic beliefs based on individual spiritual leaders, of which Christianity was one and the birth of Gnosticism is likely tied into this process where regional communities could have significant sway over scriptural interpretation.

In other words, Judaism by the 1st century AD was rapidly diversifying as a congregation far away from Herod's Temple. This was the beginning of the diaspora, and in the beginning, it was fueled by converts. Modern Judaism discourages converts, but the Maccabees readily encouraged the conversion of gentiles to ward off centuries of depopulation in Judea proper. There were dense populations in Alexandria and Cyprus, Greece, Syria, and Rome itself. They were not active in banking, which was predominately dominated by established Latin or Greek banking charters that had evolved from the temple lending system of Archaic times.

In this context, much like you can trace evolutionary ancestors back by comparing structural similarities, the birth of Christianity becomes quite clear.

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