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How reliable is historiography? by S\Gh0st\ - Wed, 18 Jan 2017 15:17:53 EST ID:ywx7469d No.57044 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Sometimes I get a little paranoid about this. Do all historians have evidences about they're afirmatives?
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Fanny Dimmerham - Wed, 18 Jan 2017 20:12:01 EST ID:aRyWNT5D No.57045 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yes unless it's prehistoric. Then it's often wild guessing why people buried other people in a certain way etc.


Tell me everything you want me to know by Polly Nicklefuck - Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:38:35 EST ID:3zNoMkNy No.56988 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey, /his/, I live in Iceland so I feel distant from other countries. Most people here are informed, I think.. But I'm not sure whether it was my parents being separated/ dad in jail/ mother being completely ignorant of all problems in the world
But I never learned anything truly about the world. I'm 20 and in 2014 I asked my formed boyfriend the question "What is a fascist?" he was shocked having me not known what it was, as well as not knowing anything about North Korea
I felt angry myself that I didn't know these things and entered a class completely based on WWII, but it was intended for complete history nerds, so I went about deep details which usually people wouldn't even know about Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin.
However I still don't feel in place here. During the American elections I got pretty scared that WWIII might happen, because I've gone into way deep shit about how incredibly awful WWII was, and I know nuclear weapons are probably wayyy worse now than during Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but I calmed down and don't think/hope not that Trump will be going near that.
I also have been reading about ISIS, the Al-Quaeda, even tried to read some of Islam but all of which I did just sounded exactly like the bible, although I know it isn't, they worship Allah, and things are fucked in their beliefs although I want to find out exactly what their religion bases itself off, and what ISIS stands on
I want to understand what's going on in Syria and how to feel about refugees, I know they are being off limited in every country, even here in Iceland, and just what we could do for them, why everything is happening in the world..
I know my country is very small and insignificant to the outer world, but I really want to know whats going on, because it is happening, its real and thus it is important, and I will keep coming here to try to get a fix over whats up, but I'd also like it if you guys could help me gather more info, comment about it, or even drop me links, whatever it is.
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John Fettingtot - Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:52:49 EST ID:UCVC2AqW No.56992 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Read the news, OP. Read a lot of news, from different sources. For international new coverage, I read Reuters. Then, whenever you come across an article you don't understand because you don't understand the subject, you read up on the subject. I do this often just out of curiosity, and I've learned a lot.
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Cyril Soffingway - Thu, 24 Nov 2016 22:53:08 EST ID:Z5Sl3NAS No.56993 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56988
Stop caring and live free in a world of ignorance. Blissful ignorance.

Seriously, the sun will always rise tomorrow and if it doesn't oh well. You can't do anything on any of the levels that shit is going down at so don't give a fuck. Do what you want, ignore the politics, game and bullshit.
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Molly Blythehood - Tue, 06 Dec 2016 20:10:02 EST ID:e2GtWGAH No.57001 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP I want you to know that the level of basic wealth we live in today is VERY new and has never happened before in human history.
the last 60 years have been the absolute of human material wealth and standard of living and we know it won't last, and it's starting to go away.
This is the root cause of the rising tide of right wing nationalism, islamic fundamentalism and a bunch of other problems around the world and it has parralels to a lot of what we've seen in history when civilizations start to decline.

This is why the things that really matter going forward are going to be sustainability and social reform to handle the fact that the entire world is probably going to be in recession from here on out.
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Shitting Bronkinwater - Tue, 06 Dec 2016 20:31:03 EST ID:2UhNmMBr No.57002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56990

Fascism didn't reject the idea of a monarchy. Italy had a king while being a fascist dictatorship.
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Reuben Smallridge - Tue, 17 Jan 2017 00:40:31 EST ID:GwUD1vEi No.57043 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56990
What's the difference between fascism and nationalism? Why we call some right-wing regimes that have propaganda and personality cult fascist, but not others?


Suomio by Jenny Ceggletin - Mon, 14 Dec 2015 12:34:00 EST ID:SbLL3rxd No.56367 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Why didn't the Finnic culture/language spread in Europe? They were there longer than Indo-Europeans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3UH-lSm-40
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Fuck Dommersitch - Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:23:22 EST ID:5/1MlgNH No.56910 Ignore Report Quick Reply
IE nations were simply extremely numerous compared to other ancient nations most likely because of superior agriculture techniques
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Barnaby Smallville - Sat, 01 Oct 2016 16:22:41 EST ID:yktqtAT6 No.56912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56910
Except that's not true. The first, largest urban civilizations in the world were Sumerian (then Semitic/Akkadian) and Egyptian - NOT Indo-European speakers.
After that, you've got China representing about half of the TOTAL human population for a good 2000 years. Oh, and around the turn of the last millennium, the densest and largest urban populations on the planet were in Central America.

Indo-European speaking groups were never the most numerous on earth, not up until Europeans started colonizing everywhere and destroying every other language group.
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Molly Noffingwit - Sat, 08 Oct 2016 05:39:08 EST ID:BYWVJoFN No.56928 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56912
lets be real, thats how every group became dominant in its own time and sphere
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Fanny Pushdit - Thu, 08 Dec 2016 21:09:56 EST ID:YEmgtMe4 No.57007 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56367
Probably because Finland was never a particularly big population center throughout most of history nor was it ever a major central trading center.

Also, yes, the fact that the language is absolute bonkers likely didn't help.
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Reuben Smallridge - Tue, 17 Jan 2017 00:25:51 EST ID:GwUD1vEi No.57042 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Because Indo-Europeans domesticated horses and invented war chariots.

Also it did spread, much of the northern part of European Russia is made of Republics with significant Finno-Ugric populations.


Worst battles in human history by Lydia Bamblelat - Fri, 12 Feb 2016 07:46:23 EST ID:CwlDQeu1 No.56482 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm in a pretty soul crushing mood today and I've been thinking about the battle of Passchendaele. All factors considered is there a worse battlefield in human history? Will the world ever see such horrors, like those witnessed by the men in the general vicinity of Ypres during the war? 24 hour shelling, machinegun lines, snipers, chemical attacks and corpses everywhere? By comparison the highly mobile combat led in WW2 seems like a dream to me. Am I missing something?
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Ebenezer Honeydale - Wed, 07 Dec 2016 19:57:31 EST ID:GBTnxtdM No.57004 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57003
This is how I feel about Indian history too.
There's this gigantic continent that was just doing it's own thing for thousands of years. Philosophy, music, art, warfare. All as important and valid as European history, but it's almost never discussed.
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Fanny Pushdit - Thu, 08 Dec 2016 21:15:27 EST ID:YEmgtMe4 No.57008 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56482
It's very subjective but I've heard that the Battle of Okinawa was particularly brutal, bloody and psychologically devastating.

Also, for what it's worth, HBO's "The Pacific" gave me the impression that Peleliu was a descent into madness.
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Cornelius Cattingtodge - Wed, 11 Jan 2017 15:08:29 EST ID:op4eAzh2 No.57037 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57003
Kind of like how China could have conquered the Age of Exploration if the emperor didn't arbitrarily ban transoceanic voyages and let the Iberians do all the discoverin'.

Read up on Zhang He and the treasure fleets, and be amazed.
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James Dropperlock - Wed, 11 Jan 2017 15:51:38 EST ID:NvbwrLRd No.57038 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57004

Because most of it wasn't recorded.
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Isabella Crudgewuck - Sun, 15 Jan 2017 22:58:57 EST ID:8wyB/NwZ No.57041 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56512

what a lot of people also dont know is as the germans were steamrolling into mother russia, stalin ordered a mass relocation of millions of people and a rebuilding of industrial areas and basically did the same shit the u.s. is famous for in ww2, but on a much grander scale and over more years


Periods which need more exposure? by Thomas Gunningshit - Mon, 07 Nov 2016 10:53:53 EST ID:mHFutvZ2 No.56963 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Medieval Byzantium certainly doesn't get enough credit
>stole silk from China
>greek fire
>essentially bought the huns off as permanent mercenaries

What periods do you think need more exposure? What times do you think its important for the average person to know more about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaZK-WqZMB8
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Fanny Pushdit - Thu, 08 Dec 2016 21:44:48 EST ID:YEmgtMe4 No.57009 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56963
Ethiopia, and the Horn of Africa in general. They have one some of the oldest recorded histories in the world, had a pivotal influence in all three Judeo-Christian religions, and created some absolutely stunning architectural wonders. And yet nobody in the West ever talks about them or cares to look into them.

Also, archeology in Nigeria needs a serious shot in the arm. Seriously, the place is like a condensed petri dish of human culture and artwork like few other places on earth. Between Nok, the bronzeworks, the walls of Benin and Sungbo's Eredo, Ile-Ife, nsibidi and the Ekpe secret society, the possible "Lost Tribe" connection to Israel, the over 500 languages spoken, all leading to their rapid rise to become the economic behemoth of Africa, the country is a potential goldmine of archeology just waiting to be discovered. And that's just the stuff we know about with what little has been done so far; it's mind-boggling to imagine just how much more archeological treasure and knowledge could be unearthed from that relatively small corner of the world.

My hope is that if both countries develop and grow as rapidly as they are now then they can start to become safer and more amenable to archeologists and tourists. But certainly, based on what we already know about them now, it's a shame they don't get more exposure.
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Edwin Bonkindetch - Sun, 11 Dec 2016 01:45:47 EST ID:oY5SR2vX No.57016 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56970

i think in its most early primitive stage, items were moved tribe to tribe until they reached the end of the line. once this ricocheted back to its source, the concept of trade probably became more solidified and maybe gave rise to nomadic traders
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Phyllis Brunkinham - Sun, 25 Dec 2016 17:30:22 EST ID:ZG4s1pP5 No.57031 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57009
I've been to the horn of africa and it's an utter shithole. Nothing of value
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zxz - Wed, 11 Jan 2017 21:07:05 EST ID:hJDXnZvF No.57039 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ancient colombia and mexico

all the old world shit is greeeat and all,

but people in central and southern mexico and colombia were doing mushrooms and dmt for thousands of years. no one gives a fuck though thats the part thats so mind numbing to me.

art is cute and all but what can you actually experience and take hold of or apply from these other places. theres very little that you can turn in to your own experience.
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Hamilton Brugglebury - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 22:48:56 EST ID:pjKBi0qU No.57040 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57039
>no one gives a fuck though thats the part thats so mind numbing to me.
Because that culture was so thoroughly raped, there's so few people around who truly know and very, very scarce records. This was deliberate. Destroy all knowledge of these peoples because it was inferior to the glorious might of Spanish Catholicism.

I had this super hippy dippy sociology professor in college. He told us this story about how he was doing research in South America (he did his dissertation on Liberation Theology) and he rode up to a group of very rural people on a horse with his companions. And they had never seen a white man before, and so appears this man with long hair and pale skin and they think it's Jesus Christ himself. Pretty whacky stuff. But yeah, the reach of the Spanish Empire was long my friend.

But beyond the Drugs dude. Like in Peru, the Incans were literally the Roman Empire with a massive sprawling connected empire of roads and cities (i think it was more complicated politically). So they got fucked cause they got there late. This was like, an ongoing process in the 1500s. It's not like Ancient Egypt where these ruins have been


Christ's Cut by Faggy Sasslestack - Sun, 06 Mar 2016 13:01:52 EST ID:wFiqczKy No.56569 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Did Jesus have a Jewfro or an Afro?
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Beatrice Blatherstock - Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:34:45 EST ID:6PhWCkVP No.56756 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56754
I'm making fun of Afrocentrists. Black tinfoilers on the internet claim pretty much every famous European ever was actually Sub-Saharan African.
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Sidney Billingfoot - Wed, 22 Jun 2016 17:15:54 EST ID:FqRGTRMQ No.56757 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56756
Well, every human outside Sub-Saharan Africa is a mutant Sub-Saharan African.

You have pink mutant Africans.
You have red mutant Africans.
You have olive mutant Africans.
You have yellow mutant Africans.

All kinds of mutants, the entire planet is filled with them.
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Beatrice Blatherstock - Wed, 22 Jun 2016 17:49:11 EST ID:6PhWCkVP No.56758 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56757
Mutants mixed with Neanderthals, no less
IIRC the highest concentrations were in the Middle East and Southern Europe.
And I mean these people are claiming that various important Europeans were no shit from Africa, like fresh off the boat.
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Fanny Pushdit - Thu, 08 Dec 2016 21:05:25 EST ID:YEmgtMe4 No.57006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56569
>>56745
>thinks there's a difference between a Jewfro and an Afro
>doesn't realize Jews are a negroid sub-race created to infiltrate the white race
>not knowing about the Gangster Computer God Worldwide Secret Containment Policy

Wake up, sheeple!
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Cornelius Cattingtodge - Wed, 11 Jan 2017 15:02:45 EST ID:op4eAzh2 No.57036 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Does it even make any appreciable difference? Either way he's got nappy black hair.

Like, does an Ethiopian Jew have an afro or a Jewfro? Or is it all the same?


emailing academics? by William Bapperfoot - Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:16:48 EST ID:XFbI7gxA No.56613 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Would it be inappropriate to email a question to an associate professor at a major university about sources for a course of his that's cited on wikipedia?
I'm trying to find information about Uruk's population in the third millennium BCE, but most of the figures online don't cite any real scholarly data and a reference to part of a course this professor taught is the most I can find on wikipedia.
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Henry Claywell - Wed, 30 Mar 2016 15:26:33 EST ID:ct5r8tQL No.56623 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56620
If you knew something was incorrectly attributed and nothing to do with the guy, why would you want to email him? Yes, that would be inappropriate.
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Priscilla Brangergold - Wed, 13 Apr 2016 00:32:57 EST ID:wbo9Cc1W No.56642 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If their contact information is public it's fine. When I was in college we were encouraged to contact researchers if we were writing about their work and it was a mostly positive experience.
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Reuben Pittspear - Wed, 05 Oct 2016 02:56:46 EST ID:NG1TsJYT No.56920 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56616
>Academics in particular tend to think they have some obligation with regard to their public works

Not only that, but they also just really love to talk about their focus to anyone that will listen.
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Shit Burryforth - Sun, 27 Nov 2016 07:14:01 EST ID:gYCJk4B2 No.56994 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If they reply it helps justify their existence.

By all means, do.

I've known a lot of academics and they really are just intelligent and very bored people. This is exactly the kind of stuff they love to engage with.

If they don't want to they will ignore or sidetrack your request. You can literally say, "If you're too busy I understand but I would really appreciate (this level of detail) of explanation." Be precise and most would rather email you than watch some shitty television show that's beneath them, or play with their fucking kids.

"No, honey, I've got an important email to write."

They're pretty normal people.
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Hamilton Bollerdock - Sun, 08 Jan 2017 14:02:17 EST ID:cVNnBfM0 No.57035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56613
Email their graduate students. They do all the work anyways.


Tell me everything about America + (Soviet) Russia + Middle East by Jack Hillyhall - Tue, 22 Mar 2016 19:00:45 EST ID:asXAvW71 No.56601 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm trying to discuss ISIS with my friends and family, but eventually we always seem to hit some sort of dark spot of ignorance. Questions like:
  • Why is ISIS about religion, unlike Al-Qaeda?
  • Why did America create Al-Qaeda and ISIS? Why is influence in the ME so important?
  • Why did Iraq invade Kuwait, and why was it important enough to cause the Gulf War?
  • Why was the US buddies with Saddam? Why did the relationship go south?
  • Why does the US fear Iran so much?
  • Why did the USSR invade Afghanistan?
  • What possible gain could there be in turning the ME communist?
  • Why does Israel exist?
  • What's Clinton's role?

This is just a fraction of all the questions I have. Please don't feel limited to just answering these questions. I'm really trying to understand the current situation and how we got here. I'm also looking for a good, mostly OBJECTIVE documentary on the subject (possibly impossible to find?)
Really, I'm just looking for an outline of the past 60 years of history, simple enough for anyone interested enough to ask the question to understand. I realize I could just google it, but most of the times the reasoning they provide is as dry and unhelpful as "it was a in response to this event".

I know this is asking for much, but face it, ya'll fuckers love history enough that you'll enjoy telling me everything you know. you enjoy telling ignoramuses like me what's up.
Tl;DR: read the title and do it.
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S\Gh0st\ - Sun, 25 Dec 2016 10:50:42 EST ID:cnjBxcGC No.57029 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well, Al-Qaedas ideals are strongly linked with anti-imperialism: The institution was created first as a war front against USSRs troops in afghanistan. After that, as USA decided to help Kuwait against afeghanistan, Al-Qaeda turned against the uncle sam, wich in the past was its ally and financier. As you can see, Al-Qaedas ideals are more political than religious, although the bastards are not secular.
I would say that their goals are not as evil as their methods.
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S\Gh0st\ - Sun, 25 Dec 2016 10:52:01 EST ID:cnjBxcGC No.57030 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56601
Well, Al-Qaedas ideals are strongly linked with anti-imperialism: The institution was created first as a war front against USSRs troops in afghanistan. After that, as USA decided to help Kuwait against afeghanistan, Al-Qaeda turned against the uncle sam, wich in the past was its ally and financier. As you can see, Al-Qaedas ideals are more political than religious, although the bastards are not secular.
I would say that their goals are not as evil as their methods.
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Augustus Shakelock - Wed, 28 Dec 2016 22:20:38 EST ID:ERYmyDk/ No.57032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56601
Don't forget the Opium!
SWEET SWEET DELICIOUS NUTRICIOUS OPIUM!
For all your consumer needs!
Safe for adults, safe for kids, safe for animals, safe for livestock, safe enough to convert to your favorite concentrates!
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Nigel Clandleshaw - Tue, 03 Jan 2017 18:17:33 EST ID:bNT6UmHB No.57033 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I see people just guessing in this thread.
If you want to understand M.E history then you have go back to the imperialism days. After the imperialists left, the area was carved up with no regard to the original national, ethnic, religious factors. The countires became, and still are, primitive authoritarian system of governance. That's about early-mid 20th century shit. A lot of your questions are small time which is kinda bad if you want the bigger picture.
>Why is ISIS about religion, unlike Al-Qaeda?
Do you mean what were the factors to it's ideological birth?
A severe lack of education, poverty, a prominent religions role in the M.E, reactionary radicalization because of foreign interests.

>Why did America create Al-Qaeda and ISIS? Why is influence in the ME so important?
America indirectly created Al-Qaeda, it wasn't the number 1 intention. The U.S armed the mujahideen against the U.S.S.R. Then the mujahideen turned against the U.S. because of general involvement in the M.E (support of Israel, economic and military influence). ISIS was created by the same source of people, the militant religious radicals from the 80's and 90's , all the while radicalizing new and younger people.

>Why is influence in the ME so important?
Why is the influence in Asia or Europe so important? Because it's territory. There's still east vs. west mentality.

>Why did Iraq invade Kuwait, and why was it important enough to cause the Gulf War?
Iraq was authoritarian, it was only natural to start wars for economic and power gains. He also waged war on kurds and Iran. This is what authoritarian systems do.
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Samuel Chaddlestone - Wed, 04 Jan 2017 03:34:05 EST ID:UqesEraZ No.57034 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57033
Good post, Nigel. Excellent work.


I Sincerely Believe... by Ernest Binninghotch - Sat, 10 Dec 2016 19:05:48 EST ID:gG9f1duV No.57013 Locked Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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It seems that throughout history, there have been more mass rapes, sexual slavery and forced breeding done to white people by Muslims than the other way around.

Others say that this is not true, but they only say this because they do not have the emotional strength to admit it. But you might know. So if you can, please prove me wrong.
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Reason: yeah, no.
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Molly Fankincocke - Sun, 11 Dec 2016 17:26:03 EST ID:4RNy1lDa No.57021 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57020
Are jews white?
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Edward Sunnerfield - Tue, 13 Dec 2016 22:45:20 EST ID:fVshiL/m No.57024 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57019

They didn't have a lot of people across the world though. They usually looked for local allies who did all the dirty work for them and just a few soldiers and policemen to keep up the law.
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Isabella Bammerfetch - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 06:12:13 EST ID:nLTvpZ14 No.57025 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57020
>No such thing happened the other way around; in fact, there is no evidence that Crusaders raped women en masse.

Hahahahahaah, are you retarded?
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Alice Chorrylark - Fri, 16 Dec 2016 06:23:13 EST ID:UpNsw6rc No.57027 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>57013
your question should be on yahoo
ignored nb
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Ian Blubbleman - Sun, 18 Dec 2016 07:35:16 EST ID:pACIDeoi No.57028 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Even IF what you're saying were true (which I don't think it is), let's make out a big of atrocities Christians have done

Colonized the just about the entire fucking world
Killed hundreds of millions (over a billion maybe?) through enslavement, ethnic genocide, famine, war
De-industrialized and intentionally underdeveloped nations all over the globe
Supplanted countless local cultures, forced capitalism upon everyone, tried to force Christianity on everyone
Is more or less the reason why the world today is in such a dire, perilous shitty state

I could go on. Equally, I could make a big long list of the positive contributions to humanity that the West has done, and I could make a similar list about both aspects for Muslims. The point is that you can't make sweeping generalizations with no context or facts and expect it to hold up as an argument or people to actually take you seriously. I don't even know why I'm trying, there's pretty much nothing anyone will say that will make you change your mind. You might act like you're willing to "discuss" but in actual fact you're just an uneducated tool.


Indian History Thread by Edwin Bricklehork - Mon, 01 Jun 2015 16:50:48 EST ID:OE1PGRtd No.55613 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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INDIA
I don't hear nearly enough about Indian History, 'specially since they invented shit like our number system and how the ancestors of many Indians are so intimately linked with the ancestors of most Europeans
Like, you know, Sanskrit, Parsi, and Greek share a relatively recent ancestor, 'specially compared to languages like Basque and Spanish or Finnish and Swedish.

So, what d'you think is NEAT about India? Some shit from the Harrappan Civilization? Some fucking thing the Buddha did, or Jainism, or maybe some Hindu mythologies? Babur? The British East India Company? War with Pakistan?
Tell me what you know about the worlds most populous democracy!
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Jenny Blizzlesun - Fri, 09 Dec 2016 10:56:35 EST ID:nLTvpZ14 No.57011 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I remember reading that when the English cunts invaded India, a prince or general with a liking to rocket artillery BTFO'ed the fuck out of the English, until the English zergrushed him like a bunch of Zulu's on crack with superior numbers of malnourished soldiers.

That sounds so weird, when you think about colonial wars, you imagine technologically advanced Westerners crushing technologically inferior numerically superior natives, not technologically inferior swarms of Westerners trouncing technologically superior natives.

And then the English took that Indian rocket technology and used it to bombard the Americans.
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Edwin Nicklelock - Sat, 10 Dec 2016 13:21:43 EST ID:UCVC2AqW No.57012 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>57011
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Angus Trotfoot - Tue, 13 Dec 2016 08:55:29 EST ID:nLTvpZ14 No.57022 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57012
Do you have a name or something to go with that image mate?
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Hannah Cacklecocke - Tue, 13 Dec 2016 18:35:39 EST ID:UCVC2AqW No.57023 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57022

Mysorean rockets, a.k.a. "Death From Above" a.k.a. "Not As Backwards As You Think We Are, Limeys"
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Isabella Bammerfetch - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 06:14:27 EST ID:nLTvpZ14 No.57026 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>57023
Thanks man, that has been wondering me for years.


Churchill by Phineas Gangerwell - Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:17:19 EST ID:jg4fL/jL No.56882 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So Churchill has been on a lot of people in the UK's lips on account of him now being on a lot of people in the UK's notes.

There's been a lot of backlash from the people who link him with the Bengal famine, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943 and blame him for their deaths. There's also stuff like this popping up http://hitlerorchurchill.info/ (try it, it's interesting). Plus there was his collosal fuck up during WW1 with the Dardanelles.

ALL THAT SAI I can't bring myself to hate him. People of history don't exist in a vaccume, and are products of (and in Churchills case, shapers of) the time they live in. I'm not denying that the Bengal famine was an atrocious loss of life and as a Scottish person I've never been a fan of Britain or the British Empire, but part of me just allows it. This alcoholic infinitely quotable badass that embodied the attitudes of the nation he ruled at the time. Even if the nation was allowing massive amounts of Bengalis to starve to death...

I don't really know what I'm trying to say here, I'd like to think it isn't so simple as "He's a product of his time so that makes it ok" but I can't really explain it otherwise. I'm no apologist to the atrocities commited on his behalf but I just find myself unable to get that pissed off with him. I've heard there's people refusing to accept the £5 notes with him on it.

So what do you guys make of him?
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Emma Bodgeham - Wed, 21 Sep 2016 11:57:51 EST ID:3Ays09so No.56883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56882
I'm a big believer in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatic_ethics so, you know, there's that. Maybe they just didn't know better (to put it simply).
On the other hand, the more distant something in in space and time, the harder it is to care about it.
A father being shot in Syria is just as tragic, objectively speaking, as my grandfather dying. Maybe even more so, since he had young children and a life ahead of him. But you'd never fault me for being more sad about my grandfather dying in his sleep than about a Syrian I've never met being killed, because my grandfather is closer to me. Or if you just want pure distance: We all get a lot crazier when there's a terrorist attack in our country, but nobody gives a quarter fuck for suicide bombers in Pakistani markets.

I feel about people judging historical figures like I feel about people being judged by retroactive laws: It doesn't make any sense to vilify someone for doing what wasn't wrong at the time.

So that's how I feel about him in a sort of moral sense.

As for not accepting £5 notes with Churchill on them (isn't it illegal to refuse official currency in shops?), I can better follow that as an objection to having Churchill on notes at all.
The things or people on our currency, no matter where we are, are chosen deliberately to represent the country and tend to have images on it that symbolize what that country is about, and while the note you pictured is about Churchill as a leader during WW2 carrying Britain through to the other side, it's impossible to entirely disentangle that part of Churchill from his (by our current standards) fuck-ups.
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Beatrice Gommerbanks - Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:43:57 EST ID:v+MjOh7X No.56885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Churchill pretty much sucked at everything except for riling people up to keep fighting against Hitler.
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Shitting Necklechidge - Fri, 23 Sep 2016 22:51:34 EST ID:FBZRkRuk No.56893 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>56882
Here's my american perspective:

ANYBODY is better to have on money than royalty. Fuck royalty. How could you complain about churchill being on a banknote, but not raise an eyebrow/teacup to elizabeth being on currency? What the fuck has she done to get that privilege? She was just born by the right parents, and that's it. Fuck her to hell and back. I hate the queen, just like every other real american.

Now Churchill was probably a blue blood for all I know, but at least he had to be a cunning politician to get to be prime minister.

On a related note (ha!), the US is getting rid of Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill. The 20 is a great bill to have - not too big, but can still buy a shitload. But Jackson was a genocidal cunt that hated central banks. So I'm very glad we're getting rid of him.
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Cedric Worthingridge - Sun, 25 Sep 2016 03:21:07 EST ID:wlEcThYX No.56900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
A blood thirsty toff who participated in wars of empire and genocide from Africa to Germany.
Fuck that piece of shit, I'm glad he's dead.
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Fanny Pushdit - Thu, 08 Dec 2016 20:46:01 EST ID:YEmgtMe4 No.57005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>56882
Fun fact: in addition to being an irascible drunk, Churchill also suffered from severe manic-depression. He referred to his depressive states as his "black dog".

http://theconversation.com/winston-churchill-and-his-black-dog-of-greatness-36570


Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf by The Boat - Mon, 28 Nov 2016 15:03:29 EST ID:SqGhCnYX No.56996 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I just watched over this weekend all of "the Great War"s week by week one hundred years ago in the First World War youtube videos, and I must recommend them because of the high documentary level quality and the details of how each week of the War unfolded.

https://m.youtube.com/user/TheGreatWar

One of the most interesting people from the war that even I didn't know much about was the Austrian Cheif of the general staff
Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf

Specifically his consistan overestimation of the Austrian-Hungarian ability to wage war. I suppose he wasn't that different in that respect from the likes of Italian General Luigi Cadorna. But Hotenzndorf really couldn't see that economical the Hapsburg Empire was incapable of supplying and supporting a modern army.

Does anyone have more info or books about him to recommend? Especially if they have to do with operational planning and the logistics of the Austro-Hungarian war effort?
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Edwin Foggleford - Tue, 29 Nov 2016 02:00:57 EST ID:GBTnxtdM No.56997 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh yeah, total buffoon. It's interesting when you begin to see Indy get genuinely frustrated by him at one point. Does he not launch like, a fourth assault into the carpathians in winter or some shit? It's terrifying how clueless nobles were able to get themselves into such influential positions back in the day. That applies to all WW1 armies but the A-H specifically.
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The Boat - Tue, 29 Nov 2016 03:30:16 EST ID:SqGhCnYX No.56998 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Three attacks into the carpathians in winter with cardboard boots and summer uniforms, to rescue the garrison of 100,000 at the fortress of premesyl they lost in those attacks 800,000 men... this was modern war <gravity laden pause>.

Yeah isn't this show great? He seems to get frustrated with herzedorf and Cadorna the most.


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