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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

Who was the most powerful person in history?

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- Wed, 10 Jul 2019 18:52:14 EST l9faZouv No.57684
File: 1562799134588.jpg -(8753B / 8.55KB, 193x261) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Who was the most powerful person in history?
It's a difficult question, subjective but not entirely.

What I mean by "powerful" is also not the same as influential. When I mean "Power" I mean power over people to do the things you want with the means to do them. The measure of this power would be the scale and scope of the things done.

For instance: Although Jesus Christ created one of the most influential religions of all time, I'd argue the man had very little power, probably less a few hundred people during his life. I'd also argue that after his death, his direct will and teachings were vastly skewed and ignored by almost every Christian.

What I do mean is someone like Joseph Stalin who had power over 1/6th of the earth's landmass and close to 190 million people directly at the time of his death.

Indirectly, 78 million people in the Eastern Bloc (not including Yugoslavia) were dominated by his policies.

In China and North Korea, Stalin had influence in policy but ultimately they were independent states by virtue of their leaders. However, his interest in these countries was creating allies over puppets.

His influence on Mao however was considerable, Mao himself saying nearly 70% of his policies were directly influenced by Stalinism.

The numbers aren't the most impressive in history, his power over them was. Essentially placing himself as a living God. He directly signed the death warrant for 40,000 people and his "Great purge" is responsible for around 1.2 million people.

His regime killed around 8 million Soviets altogether, directly through killings and gulag labor deaths or indirectly (disputed) through famine. But when he told them to stop, they stopped and when he told agriculture to grow, it grew.

During the famous famine, around 60 million tons of grain were produced. (CIA Estimate)

By the time Stalin died 92 million tons of grain were Harvested in the Soviet Union,
As well as massive new yields of potatoes, livestock and other food. (CIA estimate)

This is to say that, probably despite the failings of his policies if he wanted to he could control how many people starved, vs how many people got fat and he exercised this control, it's even estimated that his collectivization directly lead to the devaluation of grain that lead to the great depression. (disputed obviously)

His policies also made one of the greatest leaps in Industrialization ever seen, transforming a mostly rural nation of many nationalities and traditions into an industrial powerhouse that rivaled the United States.

Essentially, with the stroke of a pen.

Before the surrender of Germany he was in control (But yielded command) of nearly 13 million soldiers the second largest army in history after the United States in 1945 at 16 million.
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Sophie Bardwater - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 17:38:11 EST PqIVyg6p No.57687 Reply
julius caesar

kiss my ass

Which worked Better?

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- Sat, 07 Nov 2015 14:40:49 EST o6keS00K No.56263
File: 1446925249315.jpg -(36064B / 35.22KB, 780x585) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Which worked Better?
I was doing some thinking about the current state of the Union, and I found myself ruminating on how if Reconstruction had been followed through on more sincerely, like maybe is Lincoln hadn't gotten assassinated or at least someone more resolved than Johnson had succeeded him, maybe today we'd be closer to a less socially stratified country.
And I got to thinking, we did that after WWII with denazification (we in this case meaning the allies instead of just the US). Reconstruction lasted several years longer, but seems to have had less effective results than the Denazification efforts in post WWII Germany. Besides obvious advanced in technology like with telecommunications and weapons, what are the reasons that Germany has less admiration for it's Nazi period than the southern state have for their "lost cause."? Was is just that Nazism only lasted around a decade whereas slavery had been in the south for centuries?

Or am I wrong? As an American am I romanticizing Denazification? I know there are still neo-nazi in germany but they seem to have less of a presence than the neo-confederates in the U.S.

How about what happened in South Africa? Did Truth and Reconciliation do better or worse than both or either?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_Era
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification
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A_Wizard !cMZsY.BCnU!!vVWR8L52 - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 23:53:24 EST XsO0o/wD No.57658 Reply
>>56263
>reconstruction
More like exploitation period. Slaves somehow had t worse due to not being paid enough to live on (because a slave you at least have to treat as an investment, unlike a wageslave), the feds worked hard to create racial strife, and of course everything that could be done to slow down the recovery of the cotton industry was done, for the profits of the Roosevelt and Rothschilds families, who got filthy fucking rich off of running cotton from sassoon plantations in india to england's textile factories and then selling it to europe. (note, the sassoons also were the ones growing the opium and demanding it got shipped into china at any cost. I assume as an economic weapon, since slowing industrialization of china was key to them making profit.)
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Shit Blythehall - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 20:32:23 EST PqIVyg6p No.57660 Reply
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>>56294

>Fuck hitler and his cronies

>For anything they did that I may agree with,

bruh how could you combine those clauses back to back
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Oliver Crovingdore - Wed, 26 Jun 2019 15:26:22 EST x/cVVmAk No.57672 Reply
>>56286
Dude, classical southern culture has been dead for decades and got replaced by walmart, plastic cowboy hats and meth.

US = Rome 2.0

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- Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:32:47 EST 6GEx+/2g No.57289
File: 1509330767568.jpg -(12470B / 12.18KB, 192x288) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. US = Rome 2.0
If you don't think the US is the cultural and philosophical continuation of Rome get the fuck out of my face.
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Fanny Turveyridge - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 11:08:04 EST WJ07taYS No.57668 Reply
>>57667
I get what you're getting at with this but I'm just gonna be pedantic and remind people not to confuse republics with democracies and functional representative democracies based on values of freedom and civil liberties with democracy itself

The United States is still a republic, there is no monarchy, and it is still more of a representative democracy than Athens was even if it's an oligarchy with 100% elite control of power and wealth.
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A_Wizard !cMZsY.BCnU!!vVWR8L52 - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 06:16:04 EST XsO0o/wD No.57670 Reply
>>57668
>people
Then why respond to A Wizard?
>oligarchy
That's honestly being too generous.
>representative democracy
Those are shit though. At least in Athens, they would leave shit to fate and chance, instead of mob rule... though this is pedantic. The only form of government that I genuinely support, is A Wizardocracy.
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Graham Pittingstock - Tue, 25 Jun 2019 02:59:08 EST n7agGXlS No.57671 Reply
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>>57289
As if the concept of a nation-state can be epitomized as one legacy instead of as many legacies. In the context of all the different waves of migrants to the US and earlier history when there was a frontier. (Perhaps the once ever-enticing frontier influenced the character of rugged individualism?)

Also, why not connect the inheritance from Rome to all "western" or "global north" nation-states. Or go further, tracing it to the Code of Hammurabi, an obelisk with their god handing the scepter of power and mandate to rule to Hammurabi, with all their written laws below. Of symbolic importance in society is the height of a structure. Joseph Campbell lays it out well by comparing institutions of governance to religious sites to corporate skyscrapers, reflecting their influence over society.

If you had a time machine

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- Sat, 25 May 2019 17:02:06 EST GJ8VKaxx No.57648
File: 1558818126389.jpg -(113505B / 110.84KB, 634x1057) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. If you had a time machine
but could only visit a party in the past, where and when would you go? For me, 1970s Tehran
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Ernest Blipperway - Fri, 14 Jun 2019 07:31:56 EST L+RHghVQ No.57664 Reply
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>>57648
A man of culture i see. But there is nothing better than the Pax Romana.
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Charles Tillingfoot - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 08:03:06 EST I3biHIOC No.57666 Reply
>>57648
probably back to that party where i fucked my life up and decided college wasn't for me
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Fucking Gattingfat - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:20:08 EST PqIVyg6p No.57669 Reply
that one time i was at this super hot chick's birthday party, she was a 36-24-36, everyone left but us and we were naked in bed, gettin freaky, when i said the name of a different girl lol and she didnt want to do anything GOD DAMNIT!!!

Tell me everything about America + (Soviet) Russia + Middle East

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- Tue, 22 Mar 2016 19:00:45 EST asXAvW71 No.56601
File: 1458687645808.jpg -(159405B / 155.67KB, 400x500) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Tell me everything about America + (Soviet) Russia + Middle East
I'm trying to discuss ISIS with my friends and family, but eventually we always seem to hit some sort of dark spot of ignorance. Questions like:
  • Why is ISIS about religion, unlike Al-Qaeda?
  • Why did America create Al-Qaeda and ISIS? Why is influence in the ME so important?
  • Why did Iraq invade Kuwait, and why was it important enough to cause the Gulf War?
  • Why was the US buddies with Saddam? Why did the relationship go south?
  • Why does the US fear Iran so much?
  • Why did the USSR invade Afghanistan?
  • What possible gain could there be in turning the ME communist?
  • Why does Israel exist?
  • What's Clinton's role?

This is just a fraction of all the questions I have. Please don't feel limited to just answering these questions. I'm really trying to understand the current situation and how we got here. I'm also looking for a good, mostly OBJECTIVE documentary on the subject (possibly impossible to find?)
Really, I'm just looking for an outline of the past 60 years of history, simple enough for anyone interested enough to ask the question to understand. I realize I could just google it, but most of the times the reasoning they provide is as dry and unhelpful as "it was a in response to this event".

I know this is asking for much, but face it, ya'll fuckers love history enough that you'll enjoy telling me everything you know. you enjoy telling ignoramuses like me what's up.
Tl;DR: read the title and do it.
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Nell Feffingtedging - Mon, 20 May 2019 12:55:57 EST XsO0o/wD No.57643 Reply
>>56601
The Islamic state was set up by saudis and israel to conduct assymetrical warfare with the primary objective of crippling Syria to allow Israel to steal even more of their land.
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Nicholas Wickledock - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 08:12:11 EST pJUfCjVH No.57655 Reply
>>56686
I'm trying to watch this now but jesus is it fucking slow. It just has tons of random clips with zero relevance to anything. I'm glad I didn't watch this before watching hypernormalization or I probably would have just given up on it by now. How can you make stuff that is so great and also make stuff that is so terrible? I'm sure he has a point that he will get to eventually, but not before making me watch random clips from old tv shows about grooming dogs because that's clearly super important and relevant.
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A_Wizard !cMZsY.BCnU!!vVWR8L52 - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 23:55:23 EST XsO0o/wD No.57659 Reply
>>57643
Anon, the Saudis and Israelis are two sides of the same families. The house of Saud are Kohen, descendants of Aaron, are they not?

Communists in Afghanistan

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- Fri, 24 May 2019 09:58:30 EST GJ8VKaxx No.57647
File: 1558706310143.jpg -(69564B / 67.93KB, 536x567) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Communists in Afghanistan
Can anybody direct me to the nearest information about them? I mean, it's common knowledge that the USA teamed up with the fundies like the Taliban to fight communist expansion by the USSR which was gay in the first place, but were there independent reds in Afghanistan?
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Edwin Trotstock - Thu, 30 May 2019 02:29:50 EST H+LVNZQX No.57650 Reply
You're looking for the PDPA. It started in 1965 and in 1978 they lead a coup and established a Marxist government that was Soviet-aligned but independent. It wasn't a popular revolution, but they were real socialists pursuing real socialist reforms. Things did not go well. After another coup, the Soviets had their own coup and installed a more moderate leader from the PDPA who was widely regarded in the west as a puppet. Once the insurgency got going, I think few people in Kabul were independent of the Soviets whether they liked it or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Democratic_Party_of_Afghanistan

neanderthals

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- Wed, 18 Jul 2018 09:28:21 EST jDhu60RY No.57483
File: 1531920501422.jpg -(6541B / 6.39KB, 247x204) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. neanderthals
i have just read the whole wiki page about neanderthals
how the fuck did the meme that they were smarter than homo sapiens come about?
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Angus Fuckinghood - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 20:09:32 EST rbK+gS1r No.57612 Reply
>>57611
Don't forget domesticated animals showing smarter behavior than wild animals, yet having smaller brains than wild animals.

(The shrinking is probably in fight-flight-response areas diminishing over the ages of breeding)
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Nell Feffingtedging - Mon, 20 May 2019 12:58:46 EST XsO0o/wD No.57644 Reply
>>57608
Actually, I'd say that the "Neanderthal dna in europeans" is misleading, as the statements treat everyone in europe as one race and do not account for minority populations in the statistics.
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Edward Bammerhud - Thu, 23 May 2019 16:48:16 EST GJ8VKaxx No.57646 Reply
I always figured Thals weren't smarter or dumber just different
Probably different language, more adapted to cold conditions, hunting larger animals with smaller numbers than them African homo saps

Musketmen

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- Sun, 02 Oct 2016 19:47:46 EST KCDGi4tU No.56914
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So in the 17th and 16th century muskets used a matchlock or wheellock mechanism to fire and therefore took a long time to reload, leaving the musketeers vulnerable, so they needed Pikemen to protect them. My question is- why didn't they just attach the pike underneath the musket and turn them into Piketeers?

I mean if you attached it underneath the musket with hoops, you could move the pike along so the musket was at the centre of gravity when you fired it. And obviously if it got to close quarters you could just us the pike like a pike.
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Henry Pungerdock - Tue, 08 May 2018 06:07:29 EST vk3jeQdF No.57452 Reply
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>>57450
I've been trained in fighting with bayonets in the military. It's not the alignment so much as the balance. Everything at the bottom near your hand is heavy and your weapon tip is extremely light. The complete opposite of any specialised melee weapon. It's also why sweeping from the back with the butt is a lot more satisfying.
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Angus Clenningwill - Wed, 09 May 2018 13:06:30 EST rbK+gS1r No.57453 Reply
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>>57452
>It's not the alignment so much as the balance.

I love you bro, no homo.
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Nell Feffingtedging - Mon, 20 May 2019 15:21:36 EST XsO0o/wD No.57645 Reply
>>56914
Dude, the firing mechanism wasn't the only issue. They were muzzle loaders. That means they have to stand up and pour the powder down the barrel, smush in a bit of wadding to make a good seal and help pack the powder properly, and then toss in the ball! This is also why they couldn't have anything impeding access to the barrel.

Inca

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- Thu, 03 Sep 2015 06:48:43 EST kMDrf7PF No.56073
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What's worst? Living in pre-colonist Inca as a commoner, living in Czarist Russia, or living in modern day DPRK? Inca seems really fucked up now that I look into it.
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Cornelius Deshwirk - Thu, 09 May 2019 19:08:48 EST GQJa2KV8 No.57637 Reply
>>56073
All three don’t seem bad so long as you weren’t alive toward the end of their civilizations
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Hannah Tootspear - Tue, 14 May 2019 00:56:33 EST D7DAFN4O No.57639 Reply
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>>56075
I'm lazy, hung, AND stoned already what more do they want?

Not sure what my big cock has to do with my laziness but I see the correlation between being stoned and lazy at least.

Mongol Thread

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- Sun, 28 Apr 2019 20:03:21 EST GJ8VKaxx No.57619
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Anything, doesnt matter to me but I have a dream of winning the mongolian derby as something to do when I am done being a bitch ass punk so mongolian horseriding is a plus
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Samuel Lightwill - Sun, 28 Apr 2019 22:20:21 EST GJ8VKaxx No.57630 Reply
Мaлын хулгaй FTW
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Cedric Billingshit - Mon, 27 May 2019 05:43:49 EST K2phYXev No.57649 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE

WHO

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- Sun, 21 Apr 2019 07:22:34 EST IRAocwBT No.57613
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If you could live the life of one historic person, who would you choose?
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Cornelius Dussledine - Tue, 23 Apr 2019 07:32:03 EST rbK+gS1r No.57614 Reply
I'm part of modern history right? So I chose myself. Do better in school and shit so my life now would be easier.
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Will Howl - Mon, 06 May 2019 01:25:30 EST 1oNFPI90 No.57633 Reply
Brad Pitt whenever he was hooking up with Angelina Jolie

oliver stones shit

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- Thu, 28 Feb 2019 14:46:08 EST AYHqmngl No.57592
File: 1551383168274.gif -(1932703B / 1.84MB, 223x141) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. oliver stones shit
Has anyone watched Oliver Stones "untold history of the united states"? I really enjoyed watching it. It's pretty dry history series but I think a lot of the /pol/tards on the internet should watch it as it really breaks down the whole illusion of right and left and shows how the USA is not at all what they've been told.
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Hedda Pivingville - Wed, 20 Mar 2019 19:27:13 EST PqIVyg6p No.57601 Reply
yeah i saw it and enjoyed it a lot.

WE WANT WALLACE

PreColumbia y'all!

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- Wed, 12 Jul 2017 17:47:30 EST imeVvWkF No.57216
File: 1499896050413.jpg -(140531B / 137.24KB, 900x405) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. PreColumbia y'all!
I find pre-columbian native history fascinating, the most interesting thing to me is the parallels between old world and new world history. Seeing as how they're completely separated by a massive ocean and had (most likely) no contact, it's really a great study in how humans deal.

Today I'm going to talk about the origins of the Inca and the similarities between it and Rome.
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Angus Bollerhutch - Fri, 02 Nov 2018 17:07:37 EST ixWXBBeN No.57554 Reply
>>57279
>triple alliance
God damn it there had to be another

Tartaria

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- Fri, 01 Mar 2019 03:09:45 EST yslcTCTU No.57594
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Anyone have old maps showing the Tartary Empire?
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Rebecca Meddlesetch - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 10:49:20 EST I0gh1mqC No.57597 Reply
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And yes OP I do have maps for you.
Here's one with the whole of north Asia divided into Russian, Independent, and Chinesian Tartary from early on in Russia's eastward expansion.
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Rebecca Meddlesetch - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 11:07:45 EST I0gh1mqC No.57598 Reply
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>>57597
And here's one from a few centuries later that shows how the concept evolved as they got more knowledge of the area and the Russians expanded. It now shows a defined region of thinly populated steppe and mountain border countries that served as the buffer between China and growing British Indian and Russian interests from the north and south.
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John Sudgewock - Sun, 10 Mar 2019 14:20:42 EST OEHfhrUL No.57599 Reply
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The flag is a lot closer to the Khanate of Kazan, a remnant of the subdivided post-Golden Horde time of nomadic empires. The tartar empire was possibly a thing as the cultural environment was hostile to feudalistic consolidation of resources. Its also difficult to exactly recreate what the size or scope of the kingdom or empire was due to the fact that nationalism wasn't a thing back then, and cultural norms were also way different. Thus they wouldn't have thought of themselves as Mongols, and certainly not Turkish or Chinese either, making for none of those powers to defend them in their time of need. Russia noticed this and took full advantage of it by waging several expansionist wars against the Tartars, eventually exterminating their political independence and making them subject to Russian Imperial vassalage, with the exception of those who fled east to China or south to the Ottoman empire. This exodus of sorts is how you get a distorted view on what the geographical size or makeup of this historical kingdom or empire was.

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