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Historical tidbits

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- Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:49:39 EST taGtMpGl No.56183
File: 1444578579692.jpg -(3937498B / 3.76MB, 1687x2200) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Historical tidbits
Indentured servitude was common in the Swedish countryside (predominantly in the south) up until the 1930's and it wasn't outlawed until 1945.

Medieval armies

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- Tue, 30 Sep 2014 02:57:12 EST LQxCuB8k No.53765
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You are in medieval times, you have full command of an army of your choosing, any type of composition. What do you choose? What is your army

> Main force consists of cataphract type shock cavalry and horse archers
> Light cavalry for distraction and hit and run purposes
> Heavy spearmen to hold the line, readied for hammer and anvil
> Longbow men behind spearmen shooting down ranks
> Cavalry and archer based armies are the best
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A Wizard - Thu, 08 Oct 2015 19:18:01 EST /HWjT0P7 No.56179 Reply
>>56174

The thing about this, is that in Philip's and Alexander's armies, there would had been a division or two of skirmishers who run about flinging a few javelins and then are used to fill the gaps when a heavier division can't keep it's footing and needs a moment to reform. Further, they had light cavalry to stop maneuvers like the one mentioned below.
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Clara Nullerdudging - Fri, 09 Oct 2015 18:35:32 EST 46Ivwr3B No.56180 Reply
>>56179

>The Romans had placed the two legions in the middle, with the allied Latin, Italian and Greek infantry on their flanks. The cavalry was placed on the wings, with the Roman right being supplemented by 22 elephants.

>The phalanx took up the center of the Macedonian line, with the elite 3,000-strong Guard formed to the left of the phalanx. Lighter peltasts, mercenaries and Thracian infantry guarded the two flanks of the phalanx, while the Macedonian cavalry was also most probably arrayed on both flanks. The stronger contingent was on the Macedonian right, where Perseus commanded the heavy cavalry (including his elite Sacred Squadron), and the Thracian Odrysian cavalry were deployed. However, other sources state that the cavalry did not participate in the fight, as there was a strike against Perseus by the nobles.

They had literally every element they needed, but the nobles took a dive.
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A Wizard - Sat, 10 Oct 2015 03:53:15 EST /HWjT0P7 No.56181 Reply
>>56180

Hmm, well, the Macedonians were known for talking shit to the Thracians, and the Thracians well known for saying "Fuck you, we quit. Let's go raid the neighbors."

But here's the reason they lost. They sent their main force in first, against a legionary army. You don't do that, and they should had known better.

chile actuality

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- Fri, 18 Sep 2015 20:56:23 EST QRpA4hY7 No.56134
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Well since this os Pol .im asking what exactly pinochet did? I KNOW some things,but my cousin said that he did nothing wrong...anyway feom a neutral opinion,what exactly he did,bad or good.I know chile its one of The most expensives places to live...so lets go
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Buck Strickland - Sun, 20 Sep 2015 17:38:02 EST OE1PGRtd No.56138 Reply
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>>56134
Pinochet assumed power in Chile following a United States-backed coup d'état on 11 September 1973 that overthrew the elected socialist Unidad Popular government of President Salvador Allende and ended civilian rule. Several academics have stated that the support of the United States was crucial to the coup and the consolidation of power afterward.

From its beginning, the new military government implemented harsh measures against its perceived opponents.[8] Various reports and investigations claim that between 1,200 and 3,200 people were killed, up to 80,000 people were interned and as many as 30,000 were tortured during the time Pinochet was in government.[9][10][11] As of 2011, the official number of deaths and forced disappearances stands at 3,065.

Under the influence of the free market-oriented neoliberal "Chicago Boys", the military government implemented economic reforms, including currency stabilization, tariff cutting, opening Chile's markets to global trade, restricting labor unions, privatizing social security, and the privatization of hundreds of state-controlled industries. These policies produced what has been referred to as the "Miracle of Chile," but critics state that the government policies dramatically increased economic inequality.[13] Chile was, for most of the 1990s, the best-performing economy in Latin America, though academics continue to dispute the legacy of Pinochet's reforms

What school of historiography do you find most compelling?

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- Sat, 12 Sep 2015 19:06:31 EST K3k4dOuf No.56122
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Are you into classic 19th century great-man historicism, annales school total histories, American modernization theory, or neo-Marxist (post 1950s) thought? Or are you a postmodern nihilist?

Should historians embrace political bias, or do our best to avoid it? Do you believe materialism is the driving force of history or are you a fan of Hegel and believe in the primacy of ideas as the driving force in history?

I used to be a pretty hardcore Marxist but as I've started my history master's education I've increasingly felt like Marxism is just too myopic and orthodox to account for the complexity of the modern world, and it's focus on industrial production feels increasingly irrelevant to the post-industrial West. Modernization theory is garbage in that it's predicated entirely on an "end-of-history" style perception of the West as a standard against which other nations are measured. Annales style history is nice but "total history" seems optimistic and prone to reductionism. Relativistic post modernism also seems to suck, since of course there are some genuine, non-contextual truths in historical studies.

I guess I would say I'm increasingly an adherent of a sort of mixture of Marxism, Modernization theory, and relativism, even though in a broad sense those aren't reconciliable.

Sorry about the rambling, I'm nodding over here and thinking about historiography and just thought I'd see what you people think.
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Shit Clammlestone - Sat, 12 Sep 2015 20:12:22 EST WBy4CtY7 No.56124 Reply
>>56123
Took a course in Chinese Historiography in college. Goddamn those fuckers rewrote and rewrote that shit to serve their Emperor's version of events.

Flawed premise though, but the idea is to be able to code-switch between different types of historiography when you're talking about different scales of history.

I've heard the term describing our present era as the next step beyond post modernism: Pre futurism. I think this is an incredibly important distinction, and may be a reason you find many existent schools of History unfulfilling. It is characterized by the proliferation of information access that will ultimately reach every corner of the human population. It is also characterized by the rise of "big data" and the ability to crunch those numbers.

I think that the Marxist idea that "society determines consciousness" is an important thing to remember in terms of politics in history. That the course of historical events is driven by mass change in the consciousness of the people, reflective of the material conditions of their era.
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Hugh Craffingstock - Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:26:09 EST yFQ4Ty4G No.56130 Reply
>>56122
These "historiographies" are...already history.

Was the nuke justified?

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- Sat, 30 May 2015 00:08:19 EST fvUsPHn8 No.55539
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So, whenever this thread comes up i hear some people talking about how the emperor wanted to sue for peace before the nukes were even dropped. Now, i don't have any sources on that so i'm not sure that its true. Does anybody have some?
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Matilda Goodhood - Sat, 05 Sep 2015 00:09:39 EST b0Z6XbnQ No.56090 Reply
>>56088

Don't forget that nuking them kept them out of the hands of the soviets. Ask anyone in eastern europe about how much shittier that would've been.

Either way, should've dropped it on their emperor, then just blockaded until they gave up.
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Hamilton Fuckingridge - Fri, 11 Sep 2015 21:09:33 EST 46Ivwr3B No.56119 Reply
>>56090

>Ask anyone in eastern europe

Yeah, and not someone in East Asia. The Soviets had little direct control over their proxies in Asia, not in the least part due to demographic fears and racism. They also wished to avoid a large overseas occupation of a notoriously (or so it was thought) restive population.

>kept them out of the hands of the soviets

The Soviets got Sakhalin, which was a fifth of Japan's land mass. This placed them within short range of US military assets. This rendered the entire US occupation force a hostage to short range nuclear strikes.

They also turned China communist, which is exponentially larger than Japan.

It seems these arguments are little more than face saving maneuvers to cover up blunder after blunder.
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Archie Pucklehare - Wed, 16 Sep 2015 05:03:25 EST b0Z6XbnQ No.56128 Reply
>>56119

Fifth of land mass... Dude, they took the equivalent of fucking Alaska or the Yukon. The people who lived there were hardly even japs.

The only blunder was not letting king Arthur blow up china.

Rosemary Kennedy

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- Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:56:26 EST bj95Mkkf No.55916
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her parents literally had surgeons mutilate her brain because she was mildly retarded.

ended up making her severely retarded.

#derp

#20th century logic

ps: she died in an institution for the insane 'cause she was completely unable to function after being lobotomized.
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Jenny Fommlechore - Wed, 19 Aug 2015 09:52:22 EST xxkfkN+v No.56002 Reply
>>55975

When having a problem with authority is classified as a symptom of mental illness, that country done fucked up.
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Emma Finnerfield - Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:09:17 EST LahsLyXj No.56022 Reply
>>55969
>What happened
From wiki:
> In 1933, the Soviet government, under the leadership of Joseph Stalin, recriminalised homosexual activity with punishments of up to five years' hard labor
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Pimp C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:24:51 EST XB9W9h+B No.56089 Reply
Well the eugenics movement was pretty popular back then so I can't really blame em for doing that to her.

Least Represented History in Academia

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- Tue, 28 Apr 2015 17:20:16 EST +SMg0bNM No.55314
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So I don't know what I'm talking about, and maybe this is totally the wrong question to ask.

But are there any parts of history or nations/civilizations that are underrepresented in contemporary academia?

Rome and Medieval Europe seem to have the most research done into them, are there any areas of history that you would like to learn more about but there simply aren't the resources?
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Phoebe Mabbleforth - Sun, 30 Aug 2015 07:32:26 EST IBzanJxJ No.56057 Reply
>>56056

that narrative you just spewed is underrepresented because it's made up
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Whitey Blenderstock - Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:43:37 EST /wHIWU2y No.56058 Reply
>>56057
Genetic tests show Ashkenazai Jews are descendent from Khazars.

>More from his Haaretz interview, “The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. We are talking here about groups that are very heterogeneous and which are connected solely by religion…[the] genome of European Jews is a mosaic of ancient peoples and its origin is largely Khazar.”

>Now onto some of the science highlights. Dr. Elhaik’s research shows that the dominant element in the genetic makeup of European Jews is Khazar. For Central European Jews it is 38%, while for East Europeans it is 30

>On December 14, 2012, Dr. Eran Elhaik turned almost two generations of Jewish genome research upside down.

>But he went even further. The young Israeli-American geneticist has charged former researchers with academic fraud, and he has the research to back it up.

Japan and Korea VS the rest of Asia (modern day)

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- Tue, 14 Apr 2015 20:47:44 EST dYxeYsZ8 No.55216
File: 1429058864514.jpg -(144426B / 141.04KB, 500x300) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Japan and Korea VS the rest of Asia (modern day)
So basically looking at Japan and South Korea, they are doing pretty well. They are extremely westernized, have post-industrial economies and successful business that deal all over the world - their electronics are respected everywhere. They have extremely high standards of living comparable and education to the most developed parts of the West.

The rest of Asia doesn't, though. Even China which is usually grouped with these 2 in terms of "Oriental" or having high culture worthy of respect... it's a shithole full of slaves who make cheap replaceable plastic crap and live in toxic slums. India, SEA and the Stans of course are totally fucked, full of desperate poverty and constant war. Even eastern Russia which is more or less "European" seems like an awful place to live.

So what the fuck? How and why did Japan and Korea survive to become "honorary westerners" and thrive while the entire rest of the continent sank into shit?
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Esther Pockway - Mon, 17 Aug 2015 02:32:28 EST PvJtbXIx No.55998 Reply
>>55997
I must have skipped the day they taught civil engineering.
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Ghengis Dong - Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:12:04 EST 2egVTEgC No.56049 Reply
>>55999
I attended a shit school in the U.S. but my friends from money that attended expensive/prestigious schools never heard anything about urban planning. Assuming you're not talking about uni.

Powder Monkeys during the Age of Sail

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- Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:26:07 EST cElAQBHK No.54670
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A powder monkey manned naval artillery guns as a member of a warship's crew, primarily during the Age of Sail. His chief role was to ferry gunpowder from the powder magazine in the ship's hold to the artillery pieces. The function was fulfilled by boy seamen 12 to 14 years of age.

This is as much as our wikipedia-education tells us of history.

But, intuitively... you and I both know... these kids were orphan sex slaves for sailors on long voyages. Amiright or amiright?

Some sad shit.
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Frederick Domblebed - Wed, 12 Aug 2015 15:47:37 EST DKRT+FGT No.55988 Reply
>>55987

No lol, it's due to contaminated food, new (to them) diseases, etc.
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Phineas Dottingwater - Sat, 15 Aug 2015 02:34:49 EST HI6SkGj2 No.55991 Reply
>>55988

And lack of sewage and shower facilities.
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William Clipperfork - Mon, 24 Aug 2015 21:09:22 EST b0Z6XbnQ No.56023 Reply
>>54670

Is this thread made by a pedo hoping for wankbait or something? Fucking perverts.

Who they got?

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- Fri, 19 Jun 2015 21:25:21 EST o6keS00K No.55783
File: 1434763521580.gif -(1019393B / 995.50KB, 263x310) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Who they got?
So in WWI after Russia started going Commie the rest of the allied nations sent forces to help out the Tsar, which makes sense Tsarist Russia was an allied nation.

But what if instead of Russia the socialist revolution had started in Germany as I've heard some say there was a legit possibility of happening? Do you think the allies would still have backed the Imperial faction or since they were an enemy would the allies have tried to help the socialists take down the Kaiser? Or would they have just sat it out and let the Germans fight themselves?
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Graham Fovingstet - Thu, 20 Aug 2015 02:01:00 EST OE1PGRtd No.56004 Reply
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>>55981
>MANNAZ
could you please stop doing that
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Whitey Borringridge - Mon, 24 Aug 2015 02:04:05 EST HI6SkGj2 No.56020 Reply
>>56004

Telling the truth with real words, through the use of linguistics? Fuck off, that is what language is for. Samefagger
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Phyllis Claycocke - Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:18:47 EST OE1PGRtd No.56036 Reply
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>>56020
ok friendo, defend your position. give me sources that proof "MANNAZ" means anything at all. because from where I'm sitting, it's an old root word and the name of a rune. oh, and some silly neopagans use it to read fortunes.
>samefagger
now I'm challenging you to find an instance of samefagging, because I do not think that word means what you think it means.

nb.

Patton, McArthur, Nuclear Weapons, and the Soviet Union

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- Sun, 19 Jul 2015 23:45:52 EST OE1PGRtd No.55931
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Forgive me /his/torians, I'm a little drunk.

Forgive me again, because I'm going to open Pandora's Box of AltHis.

The war in Europe is drawing to a close, the American atom bomb is nearing completion, or it's already finished and we're waiting until August to drop them on Japan. Everybody is poised to make a deal with the devil and cut Europe up into Allied/Soviet spheres of influence, except Patton, who wants to rearm the Germans and drive the Russians back to Moscow. He's ignored, the Iron Curtain is drawn, and the Cold War begins. But what if he wasn't and the Allies charge into Slavic lands?

Next scenario: September, 1950. UN troops push the North Koreans all the way up to the No-No line at the Chinese border near Dandong on the Yalu River. Mao says, "YOU FUKN DONE IT NOW!" and a million Chinese pour over the border and start knocking Yankees and Commonwealth troops back south. Hero of the Pacific Theater in WWII and Commander of US Forces in the Far East Douglas McArthur clenches his corncob pipe in his teeth and begs Truman to drop atomic bombs on Chinese cities to get the Chinks out of his war with the Shovelheads. Truman snaps that he's trying to avoid another World War (remember, the Soviets had had nuclear capabilities for over a year now), not start one. But what if he'd agreed with McArthur and Beijing had gone up in an atomic firestorm?
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Ghengis Dong - Fri, 21 Aug 2015 00:01:12 EST 2egVTEgC No.56007 Reply
>>55966
Not relevant to OP, but you should be aware that three-mile never went critical and leaked negligible radiation. It did scare everyone shitless, but it actually wasn't an environmental disaster. Fukushima would be a better example. I lived just a couple miles from the 3-mile island plant most of my life. Otherwise neat, if speculative, post.

nb
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Faggy Brookman - Sun, 30 Aug 2015 03:44:27 EST 2f9U+23F No.56053 Reply
>>56007
I used Three Mile as the example over Fukushima because of the era that it occurred, not the non-meltdown or any thing like that.
nb

Islam in South East Asia

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- Wed, 01 Jul 2015 07:54:46 EST QonWQzR9 No.55860
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This always struck me as kind of odd. How did Islam spread to South East Asia. When you look at it on a map it doesn't really seem to make much sense. I have absolutely no idea what I am talking about here but surely Hinduism was in a much better position to spread from India rather than Islam?

Again, totally clueless, but it just seems to be a bit of an anomaly to me.

Pic related, the Crystal Mosque in Malaysia.
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Whitey Wattingstone - Sun, 09 Aug 2015 03:49:24 EST OE1PGRtd No.55974 Reply
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>>55972
america is pretty good at making muslims not muslims. all the muslim kids i grew up with drink and smoke weed and fuck and do blow when they can get it.
a good time: lay around with a couple of egyptians smoking hash and playing vidya. drink a shit load of tea and grab some mcdonalds' on the way over.
a bad time: interacting with their bizarre muslim parents
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Isabella Heddleway - Mon, 10 Aug 2015 07:07:12 EST mQgoZBfT No.55978 Reply
>>55974
that feel when no Arab gf with a big ass to smoke with.
no bump.
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Esther Demmerford - Sat, 15 Aug 2015 22:54:30 EST HTithbbp No.55995 Reply
>>55965

the difference between muslims and normal typical immigrants is that they go to an Islamic school and pray 5 times a day, so they are very versed in the islamic culture regardless of where they live.

You only need to go back tot he crusades to see the attrocities muslims put other religious people living in the same society as them, they rode horses from europe to israel because muslims where castrating christians and jews.

So although normal immigrants will immerse themselves in their local culture and abide by normal government most muslims dont, they operate under sharia, they usually have no contact with local government and dont participate in local culture or education, they go to islamic school and depend on other muslims for welfare.
Although they live on the same land they dont recognise your government as being their government.

Muslims are very dangerous because they are like a swarm just spreading over the world right now all thanks to Bin Laden stirring up another war creating hundreds of thousands of refugees.

of course this is being very general, i do know some people who say they are muslim but partake in the eating of non halal food and have sex with the same sex, but they are very much a minority.
In Australia whole communities have been converted from working class/poor people to Moderatly wealthy muslims, all the stores are muslim, all the butchers are halal, they have a loud speaker to announce prayer and they have huge mosques all over the place.

anyone got any history on the jewish pograms

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- Sun, 19 Apr 2015 17:40:48 EST UzmJd1sp No.55248
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in czarist Russia? just good wiki artilces or something light reading, I also posted this same thing on tinfoil because the two things just have to be related to the Europeans weird haterd of the jewish people, I mean that must be why everyone accuses them "allegedly" of stuff

Bump While Delirious
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Caroline Tootwater - Mon, 06 Jul 2015 17:00:33 EST vcnj2VmM No.55890 Reply
>>55248
>Europeans
it's everyone who comes into contact with them. Of course, this is weird and everybody else in the world is the problem.
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Albert Worthingshit - Mon, 06 Jul 2015 21:42:56 EST hT3/Evlt No.55891 Reply
>>55890
The only reason people don't like them is because of their desire to not fully integrate with local populations and retain their own customs. It's one of the reasons they have flourished in the USA, because we were founded (partly) by people who came here to practice their own customs unmolested. Obviously that's not always been true, but that's the predominating culture anyway.

Injuns

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- Mon, 02 Mar 2015 01:00:46 EST fzS6BECQ No.54837
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What exactly made the caucasian. European settlers superior to the American natives in combat and diplomacy?
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Samuel Bonnerchack - Sat, 20 Jun 2015 13:11:21 EST J+AReqHU No.55802 Reply
>>54970
The abstract doesn't say this strain of TB caused widespread depopulation.
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Samuel Bonnerchack - Sat, 20 Jun 2015 13:12:15 EST J+AReqHU No.55803 Reply
Also
>maybe you should so some research.
lmao, maybe you should read your own citations
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Esther Cheggleman - Sat, 18 Jul 2015 12:29:30 EST FqRGTRMQ No.55927 Reply
>>55609
Some people on 420chan are so stupid, they should just be taken out back and be shot.

Cedric Clonderstag is one of these people.

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