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Musketmen

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- Sun, 02 Oct 2016 19:47:46 EST KCDGi4tU No.56914
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So in the 17th and 16th century muskets used a matchlock or wheellock mechanism to fire and therefore took a long time to reload, leaving the musketeers vulnerable, so they needed Pikemen to protect them. My question is- why didn't they just attach the pike underneath the musket and turn them into Piketeers?

I mean if you attached it underneath the musket with hoops, you could move the pike along so the musket was at the centre of gravity when you fired it. And obviously if it got to close quarters you could just us the pike like a pike.
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Henry Pungerdock - Tue, 08 May 2018 06:07:29 EST vk3jeQdF No.57452 Reply
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>>57450
I've been trained in fighting with bayonets in the military. It's not the alignment so much as the balance. Everything at the bottom near your hand is heavy and your weapon tip is extremely light. The complete opposite of any specialised melee weapon. It's also why sweeping from the back with the butt is a lot more satisfying.
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Angus Clenningwill - Wed, 09 May 2018 13:06:30 EST rbK+gS1r No.57453 Reply
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>>57452
>It's not the alignment so much as the balance.

I love you bro, no homo.
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Nell Feffingtedging - Mon, 20 May 2019 15:21:36 EST XsO0o/wD No.57645 Reply
>>56914
Dude, the firing mechanism wasn't the only issue. They were muzzle loaders. That means they have to stand up and pour the powder down the barrel, smush in a bit of wadding to make a good seal and help pack the powder properly, and then toss in the ball! This is also why they couldn't have anything impeding access to the barrel.

Inca

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- Thu, 03 Sep 2015 06:48:43 EST kMDrf7PF No.56073
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What's worst? Living in pre-colonist Inca as a commoner, living in Czarist Russia, or living in modern day DPRK? Inca seems really fucked up now that I look into it.
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Cornelius Deshwirk - Thu, 09 May 2019 19:08:48 EST GQJa2KV8 No.57637 Reply
>>56073
All three don’t seem bad so long as you weren’t alive toward the end of their civilizations
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Hannah Tootspear - Tue, 14 May 2019 00:56:33 EST D7DAFN4O No.57639 Reply
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>>56075
I'm lazy, hung, AND stoned already what more do they want?

Not sure what my big cock has to do with my laziness but I see the correlation between being stoned and lazy at least.

Mongol Thread

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- Sun, 28 Apr 2019 20:03:21 EST GJ8VKaxx No.57619
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Anything, doesnt matter to me but I have a dream of winning the mongolian derby as something to do when I am done being a bitch ass punk so mongolian horseriding is a plus
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Samuel Lightwill - Sun, 28 Apr 2019 22:20:21 EST GJ8VKaxx No.57630 Reply
Мaлын хулгaй FTW
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Cedric Billingshit - Mon, 27 May 2019 05:43:49 EST K2phYXev No.57649 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE

WHO

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- Sun, 21 Apr 2019 07:22:34 EST IRAocwBT No.57613
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If you could live the life of one historic person, who would you choose?
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Cornelius Dussledine - Tue, 23 Apr 2019 07:32:03 EST rbK+gS1r No.57614 Reply
I'm part of modern history right? So I chose myself. Do better in school and shit so my life now would be easier.
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Will Howl - Mon, 06 May 2019 01:25:30 EST 1oNFPI90 No.57633 Reply
Brad Pitt whenever he was hooking up with Angelina Jolie

oliver stones shit

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- Thu, 28 Feb 2019 14:46:08 EST AYHqmngl No.57592
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Has anyone watched Oliver Stones "untold history of the united states"? I really enjoyed watching it. It's pretty dry history series but I think a lot of the /pol/tards on the internet should watch it as it really breaks down the whole illusion of right and left and shows how the USA is not at all what they've been told.
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Hedda Pivingville - Wed, 20 Mar 2019 19:27:13 EST PqIVyg6p No.57601 Reply
yeah i saw it and enjoyed it a lot.

WE WANT WALLACE

PreColumbia y'all!

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- Wed, 12 Jul 2017 17:47:30 EST imeVvWkF No.57216
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I find pre-columbian native history fascinating, the most interesting thing to me is the parallels between old world and new world history. Seeing as how they're completely separated by a massive ocean and had (most likely) no contact, it's really a great study in how humans deal.

Today I'm going to talk about the origins of the Inca and the similarities between it and Rome.
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Angus Bollerhutch - Fri, 02 Nov 2018 17:07:37 EST ixWXBBeN No.57554 Reply
>>57279
>triple alliance
God damn it there had to be another

Tartaria

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- Fri, 01 Mar 2019 03:09:45 EST yslcTCTU No.57594
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Anyone have old maps showing the Tartary Empire?
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Rebecca Meddlesetch - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 10:49:20 EST I0gh1mqC No.57597 Reply
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And yes OP I do have maps for you.
Here's one with the whole of north Asia divided into Russian, Independent, and Chinesian Tartary from early on in Russia's eastward expansion.
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Rebecca Meddlesetch - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 11:07:45 EST I0gh1mqC No.57598 Reply
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>>57597
And here's one from a few centuries later that shows how the concept evolved as they got more knowledge of the area and the Russians expanded. It now shows a defined region of thinly populated steppe and mountain border countries that served as the buffer between China and growing British Indian and Russian interests from the north and south.
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John Sudgewock - Sun, 10 Mar 2019 14:20:42 EST OEHfhrUL No.57599 Reply
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The flag is a lot closer to the Khanate of Kazan, a remnant of the subdivided post-Golden Horde time of nomadic empires. The tartar empire was possibly a thing as the cultural environment was hostile to feudalistic consolidation of resources. Its also difficult to exactly recreate what the size or scope of the kingdom or empire was due to the fact that nationalism wasn't a thing back then, and cultural norms were also way different. Thus they wouldn't have thought of themselves as Mongols, and certainly not Turkish or Chinese either, making for none of those powers to defend them in their time of need. Russia noticed this and took full advantage of it by waging several expansionist wars against the Tartars, eventually exterminating their political independence and making them subject to Russian Imperial vassalage, with the exception of those who fled east to China or south to the Ottoman empire. This exodus of sorts is how you get a distorted view on what the geographical size or makeup of this historical kingdom or empire was.

egypt

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- Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:46:57 EST QxCEUJ8w No.57591
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looking for good material on predynastic egypt, any suggestions?

egypt

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- Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:45:59 EST rFpuZfvW No.57590
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looking for good material on predynastic egypt, any suggestions?

Local Buried Treasure

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- Mon, 27 Feb 2017 03:19:28 EST 6Jk/Rj9V No.57108
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So lately I've been Indiana Jonesin, looking up lost treasures to be found.

For instance, near me in Illinois, USA, there's supposedly gold hidden in a place called the Sweetin Mansion.

Guy built a mansion around the time of the American Civil War. When the war broke out, he didn't trust banks to hold his earnings, and so hid his stash somewhere on his property. Later on he broke his neck horseback riding and his stash was never recovered.

Folklore says his stash is in a cave guarded by ghosts and rattlesnakes.

I'm thinkin about checking it out.

What treasure legends are around you?
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Cedric Grimfield - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:11:47 EST wVlCXJBU No.57122 Reply
Here in Arizona we have a large mountain range that separates the inhabited phoenix metropolitan area from uninhabited desert wilderness called the Superstition mountains. Legend has it a dutch miner found a huge vein of gold and hid his stash somewhere in the mountain range. I have heard different versions of the story but usually people say he told his sons where it was on their deathbed, but they could never find it, or that he died before telling them the directions, or whatever. I've hiked around there a few times but never found any treasure. People been lookin for years though for the lost dutchman's treasure.
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Hamilton Sodgewill - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:26:00 EST FisBRQum No.57123 Reply
>>57122
A lot of people die out there. Mostly from the terrain and elements, but a lot of murders too.
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Temple - Sun, 09 Dec 2018 15:55:58 EST ufRUsSuW No.57578 Reply
I'm from a town on the Illinois side of St. Louis. There is small party of archaeologists that believe the tomb of Alexander the Great resides in a cave system in Marion County, Illinois. A collector named Harry Hubbard had acquired artifacts that were looted from the site and has put his reputation at risk for getting this idea into circulation. I think it is pretty outlandish, but the concept and the research they did is still worth looking in to. The radio interview with Hubbard is pretty interesting and has all the deets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaPGo4KCrPQ

Scramble for Africa

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- Fri, 23 Nov 2018 15:34:59 EST qMfO+zFq No.57564
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Are there any instances of white explorers into the African interior in the 19th century being captured by African tribes, and subsequently being forced to be the sex slave of the chieftain or if high-ranking warriors?
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Sidney Picklock - Wed, 28 Nov 2018 00:05:15 EST Q+jVNWOo No.57571 Reply
No, black people basically got their shit kicked in by everyone who ever happened across them. Whites, Arabs, Asians, and Jews all totally dominated blacks all throughout history. Nowadays, as whites are leaving Africa in droves, the Chinese are going to show blacks what real oppression looks like. Unfortunately for black people, the R word doesn't work on the Chinese communist.
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Hannah Wonderlutch - Thu, 04 Apr 2019 15:04:09 EST Qif98QHX No.57605 Reply
Yes, it was your mom

Ancient advanced civilizations

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- Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:23:51 EST Vbf0Im91 No.57562
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so yeah pic related is probably not a coincidence
Also this >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDoM4BmoDQM&t=1s

Watch the video, it's rare to see a non-bullshit analysis of these subjects
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John Dobblehen - Sun, 25 Nov 2018 19:05:00 EST 6EKsC9X2 No.57567 Reply
>>57563
>>57566

Ya'll are missing out on a video wherein a guy blows the lid off of big archaeology. Your loss, really.

Trench warfare: Why did the superiours not get shot by their own?

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- Sat, 21 Jul 2018 03:39:37 EST 8alMSIHq No.57490
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Why did all the poor blokes not shoot their warmongering superiors in WW1?

Because running out was clearly allways suicide,
and killing your officer wouldn't be very obvious in the chaos of war?
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Phyllis Buzzfuck - Thu, 20 Sep 2018 02:35:06 EST ZVxEwvHV No.57524 Reply
Europe is much smaller than asia, and flanders was pretty treeless through most of the war, so no isolated jungle patrols where you can frag the Loyola U ROTC weenie in abstract self-defense
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Jessica Tandy needs candy !!vVWR8L52 - Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:59:35 EST dk2vfwv1 No.57544 Reply
Hind sight is 20/20, trench warfare was the solution to a problem (the problem that mobile warfare in the first few months of the war was unsustainably bloody) however digging trenches created new problems. And yes there were dumb generals but there were also many generals that created solutions to the problems of trench warfare (like the tank, coordinated artillery fire, and small unit tactics to name a few) so it's easy to blame dumb stuffy generals for trench warfare but in reality there were forces at play that forced the hands of generals and nations.

Read up on the siege of Petersburg in the American Civil War and Sipon Kop in the 2nd Boer War.
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Eugene Billerhen - Wed, 17 Oct 2018 18:08:16 EST hwbZvUc3 No.57545 Reply
>>57490
>>57490
>Why did all the poor blokes not shoot their warmongering superiors in WW1?
because they would be arrested by MP's for murder and get executed

>killing your officer wouldn't be very obvious in the chaos of war?
And then the officer above him would appoint a new officer, basically if you did this then both sides would want to kill you. What I think you should have said was why didn't MORE people dessert, which happened like mad in the AH and Russian armies but every army had a problem with it. so this was not a well thought through line of reasoning

Civilization of the Month

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!PXhMv3keyc - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 16:21:24 EST 7moSACzs No.57339
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In preparation for going back to school (and to hopefully bolster some discussion on this nice but very slow board) I'm gonna try this thread format. Each month, assuming I don't get lazy and drop this, I'm gonna post a big thing about a civilization, culture, or political entity. I'm gonna try to avoid obvious topics like Egypt or Rome, and focus on stuff people may not have heard of as much. In an ideal world you guys will join in and discuss the peoples and cultures herein, suggest new topics, or correct me if and when I mess up.

That said, it seems fair to me to start with the beginning. This month's Civilization of the Month is Sumer.

"Sumer" as a name comes to us from their Akkadian neighbors/occasional rulers, who called them Shumer. The Sumerians called themselves "ùĝ saĝ gíg ga", meaning "The black-headed people", a name we learned from the cuneiform tablets they wrote on. Unfortunately, we do not actually know what "Shumer" means; when looking (or, more appropriately, glancing) into it, I pretty much just found academic flamewars.

The Sumerian people seem to have been in the area of modern day Iraq since at least 6500 BC, and continued to do their thing until the second millennium BC. Then they were conquered by the Amorites, who in turn were conquered by the Assyrians. However, their cultural impression was lasting, and Assyrian kings would continue to refer to themselves as "King of Sumer and Akkad" for centuries.

The earliest archaeological site we have for the area is called Tell el-'Oueli. A tell, from Arabic tal, meaning hill or mound, is a giant pile of trash from generations of people living on the same spot. This site consists of two thousand years of the Ubaid period (6500-4000 BC), and is characterized by the style of clay painted pottery, unwalled villages of mud brick houses, and tools (mainly sickles) made of clay usually, though occasionally stone or metal. During this time irrigated agriculture, use of the plow, and sailing were developed, and an egalitarian society became more stratified as a noble chieftain class developed as communities became much bigger than your standard village.

Eventually, pottery became produced more efficiently and trade flourished along the rivers of the Fertile Crescent, which led to the rise of the first cities. This period, named Uruk for the biggest one of the time, lasted from 4100 BC to 2900 BC. Uruk was created when two Ubaid villages grew into each other, and during this period became the most populated city in the world, surpassing 50k inhabitants. Cities during this period were centered around a large temple (two in Uruk's case, at the centers of the towns it grew from) and were ruled theocratically by priest-kings (called ensi). Slavery begins to see heavy use.

In 2900 BC we enter the early dynastic period (2900-2270 BC). Around the beginning of this time the wall around Uruk was built, spanning 9km. We see a split from the priest-king system to a relatively secular ruler (still claiming divine right to rule, as kings will), and a council of elder priests. In 2700 writing began to form out of pictographs, and things like clay tokens were used in accounting. At first, cities were separate entities that can't really project force terribly far. However, any towns around a big city were obviously going to have a hard time, and we actually see towns outright disappear as the cities absorb their populations. Around 2500 BC a king from the city of Lagash named Eannatum conquered the area we now think of as Sumer, creating one of the first empires. However, it fell apart after his death. Two centuries later a king named Lugal-zage-si did something similar, and reigned for fifteen years or so until the Akkadians conquered Sumer.

In 2270, the son of a cup-bearer for a Sumerian king (a social position of high standing and trust, I'll note) named Sargon rose to power, conquered Lugal-zage-di's realm, and led him to his hometown of Akkad in stocks. He went on to carve out an empire stretching nearly from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean. His empire would last until 2147, when a nomadic tribe called the Guti overran the place to a degree that the infrastructure couldn't handle. The empire collapsed, and minor city-states made their return.

From Lagash again rose a Sumerian king, Gudea, who enjoyed a small renaissance of sorts after he reconq…
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Priscilla Clandlenun - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 19:21:55 EST iTUH5a8Q No.57512 Reply
>>57341
>In trying to add some framing to 6000 years of Mesopotamian history, I traced the religious evolution

More than a few do not realize the extent to which Mesopotamia is distinct in religious demographics until now. Two whole religions, the Yezidis and Mandeans, have a large majority located in Mesopotamia. The Church of the East, or Nestorian Christians, have been based there since the 5th century and had churches from Cyprus to China in the Middle Ages. There are 'Jewish Kurds' who, along with the neighboring Christians, speak (or spoke) the language of Assyria from the time of Ashurbanipal. Three of these have had some presence in Iran/Persia, but not the Yezidis whose traditional areas seem to all be in Mesopotamia. I've read that the original pagans were still in existence during the Arab empires. And there are particularly unorthodox Muslim "Alevis" in the northern periphery.
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Martin Dashmotch - Wed, 05 Sep 2018 16:11:59 EST stKj2uKJ No.57518 Reply
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>>57473
Seriously the greatest posts this board will ever know.
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Shitting Fosslepedge - Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:00:03 EST /JUDCgXP No.57535 Reply
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>>57339
Very cool OP. Fellow History Major here too.

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