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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

egypt

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- Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:46:57 EST QxCEUJ8w No.57591
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looking for good material on predynastic egypt, any suggestions?

egypt

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- Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:45:59 EST rFpuZfvW No.57590
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looking for good material on predynastic egypt, any suggestions?

Local Buried Treasure

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- Mon, 27 Feb 2017 03:19:28 EST 6Jk/Rj9V No.57108
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So lately I've been Indiana Jonesin, looking up lost treasures to be found.

For instance, near me in Illinois, USA, there's supposedly gold hidden in a place called the Sweetin Mansion.

Guy built a mansion around the time of the American Civil War. When the war broke out, he didn't trust banks to hold his earnings, and so hid his stash somewhere on his property. Later on he broke his neck horseback riding and his stash was never recovered.

Folklore says his stash is in a cave guarded by ghosts and rattlesnakes.

I'm thinkin about checking it out.

What treasure legends are around you?
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Cedric Grimfield - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:11:47 EST wVlCXJBU No.57122 Reply
Here in Arizona we have a large mountain range that separates the inhabited phoenix metropolitan area from uninhabited desert wilderness called the Superstition mountains. Legend has it a dutch miner found a huge vein of gold and hid his stash somewhere in the mountain range. I have heard different versions of the story but usually people say he told his sons where it was on their deathbed, but they could never find it, or that he died before telling them the directions, or whatever. I've hiked around there a few times but never found any treasure. People been lookin for years though for the lost dutchman's treasure.
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Hamilton Sodgewill - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:26:00 EST FisBRQum No.57123 Reply
>>57122
A lot of people die out there. Mostly from the terrain and elements, but a lot of murders too.
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Temple - Sun, 09 Dec 2018 15:55:58 EST ufRUsSuW No.57578 Reply
I'm from a town on the Illinois side of St. Louis. There is small party of archaeologists that believe the tomb of Alexander the Great resides in a cave system in Marion County, Illinois. A collector named Harry Hubbard had acquired artifacts that were looted from the site and has put his reputation at risk for getting this idea into circulation. I think it is pretty outlandish, but the concept and the research they did is still worth looking in to. The radio interview with Hubbard is pretty interesting and has all the deets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaPGo4KCrPQ

Scramble for Africa

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- Fri, 23 Nov 2018 15:34:59 EST qMfO+zFq No.57564
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Are there any instances of white explorers into the African interior in the 19th century being captured by African tribes, and subsequently being forced to be the sex slave of the chieftain or if high-ranking warriors?
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Sidney Picklock - Wed, 28 Nov 2018 00:05:15 EST Q+jVNWOo No.57571 Reply
No, black people basically got their shit kicked in by everyone who ever happened across them. Whites, Arabs, Asians, and Jews all totally dominated blacks all throughout history. Nowadays, as whites are leaving Africa in droves, the Chinese are going to show blacks what real oppression looks like. Unfortunately for black people, the R word doesn't work on the Chinese communist.
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Hannah Wonderlutch - Thu, 04 Apr 2019 15:04:09 EST Qif98QHX No.57605 Reply
Yes, it was your mom

Ancient advanced civilizations

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- Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:23:51 EST Vbf0Im91 No.57562
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so yeah pic related is probably not a coincidence
Also this >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDoM4BmoDQM&t=1s

Watch the video, it's rare to see a non-bullshit analysis of these subjects
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John Dobblehen - Sun, 25 Nov 2018 19:05:00 EST 6EKsC9X2 No.57567 Reply
>>57563
>>57566

Ya'll are missing out on a video wherein a guy blows the lid off of big archaeology. Your loss, really.

Trench warfare: Why did the superiours not get shot by their own?

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- Sat, 21 Jul 2018 03:39:37 EST 8alMSIHq No.57490
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Why did all the poor blokes not shoot their warmongering superiors in WW1?

Because running out was clearly allways suicide,
and killing your officer wouldn't be very obvious in the chaos of war?
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Phyllis Buzzfuck - Thu, 20 Sep 2018 02:35:06 EST ZVxEwvHV No.57524 Reply
Europe is much smaller than asia, and flanders was pretty treeless through most of the war, so no isolated jungle patrols where you can frag the Loyola U ROTC weenie in abstract self-defense
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Jessica Tandy needs candy !!vVWR8L52 - Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:59:35 EST dk2vfwv1 No.57544 Reply
Hind sight is 20/20, trench warfare was the solution to a problem (the problem that mobile warfare in the first few months of the war was unsustainably bloody) however digging trenches created new problems. And yes there were dumb generals but there were also many generals that created solutions to the problems of trench warfare (like the tank, coordinated artillery fire, and small unit tactics to name a few) so it's easy to blame dumb stuffy generals for trench warfare but in reality there were forces at play that forced the hands of generals and nations.

Read up on the siege of Petersburg in the American Civil War and Sipon Kop in the 2nd Boer War.
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Eugene Billerhen - Wed, 17 Oct 2018 18:08:16 EST hwbZvUc3 No.57545 Reply
>>57490
>>57490
>Why did all the poor blokes not shoot their warmongering superiors in WW1?
because they would be arrested by MP's for murder and get executed

>killing your officer wouldn't be very obvious in the chaos of war?
And then the officer above him would appoint a new officer, basically if you did this then both sides would want to kill you. What I think you should have said was why didn't MORE people dessert, which happened like mad in the AH and Russian armies but every army had a problem with it. so this was not a well thought through line of reasoning

Civilization of the Month

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!PXhMv3keyc - Tue, 09 Jan 2018 16:21:24 EST 7moSACzs No.57339
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In preparation for going back to school (and to hopefully bolster some discussion on this nice but very slow board) I'm gonna try this thread format. Each month, assuming I don't get lazy and drop this, I'm gonna post a big thing about a civilization, culture, or political entity. I'm gonna try to avoid obvious topics like Egypt or Rome, and focus on stuff people may not have heard of as much. In an ideal world you guys will join in and discuss the peoples and cultures herein, suggest new topics, or correct me if and when I mess up.

That said, it seems fair to me to start with the beginning. This month's Civilization of the Month is Sumer.

"Sumer" as a name comes to us from their Akkadian neighbors/occasional rulers, who called them Shumer. The Sumerians called themselves "ùĝ saĝ gíg ga", meaning "The black-headed people", a name we learned from the cuneiform tablets they wrote on. Unfortunately, we do not actually know what "Shumer" means; when looking (or, more appropriately, glancing) into it, I pretty much just found academic flamewars.

The Sumerian people seem to have been in the area of modern day Iraq since at least 6500 BC, and continued to do their thing until the second millennium BC. Then they were conquered by the Amorites, who in turn were conquered by the Assyrians. However, their cultural impression was lasting, and Assyrian kings would continue to refer to themselves as "King of Sumer and Akkad" for centuries.

The earliest archaeological site we have for the area is called Tell el-'Oueli. A tell, from Arabic tal, meaning hill or mound, is a giant pile of trash from generations of people living on the same spot. This site consists of two thousand years of the Ubaid period (6500-4000 BC), and is characterized by the style of clay painted pottery, unwalled villages of mud brick houses, and tools (mainly sickles) made of clay usually, though occasionally stone or metal. During this time irrigated agriculture, use of the plow, and sailing were developed, and an egalitarian society became more stratified as a noble chieftain class developed as communities became much bigger than your standard village.

Eventually, pottery became produced more efficiently and trade flourished along the rivers of the Fertile Crescent, which led to the rise of the first cities. This period, named Uruk for the biggest one of the time, lasted from 4100 BC to 2900 BC. Uruk was created when two Ubaid villages grew into each other, and during this period became the most populated city in the world, surpassing 50k inhabitants. Cities during this period were centered around a large temple (two in Uruk's case, at the centers of the towns it grew from) and were ruled theocratically by priest-kings (called ensi). Slavery begins to see heavy use.

In 2900 BC we enter the early dynastic period (2900-2270 BC). Around the beginning of this time the wall around Uruk was built, spanning 9km. We see a split from the priest-king system to a relatively secular ruler (still claiming divine right to rule, as kings will), and a council of elder priests. In 2700 writing began to form out of pictographs, and things like clay tokens were used in accounting. At first, cities were separate entities that can't really project force terribly far. However, any towns around a big city were obviously going to have a hard time, and we actually see towns outright disappear as the cities absorb their populations. Around 2500 BC a king from the city of Lagash named Eannatum conquered the area we now think of as Sumer, creating one of the first empires. However, it fell apart after his death. Two centuries later a king named Lugal-zage-si did something similar, and reigned for fifteen years or so until the Akkadians conquered Sumer.

In 2270, the son of a cup-bearer for a Sumerian king (a social position of high standing and trust, I'll note) named Sargon rose to power, conquered Lugal-zage-di's realm, and led him to his hometown of Akkad in stocks. He went on to carve out an empire stretching nearly from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean. His empire would last until 2147, when a nomadic tribe called the Guti overran the place to a degree that the infrastructure couldn't handle. The empire collapsed, and minor city-states made their return.

From Lagash again rose a Sumerian king, Gudea, who enjoyed a small renaissance of sorts after he reconq…
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Priscilla Clandlenun - Sat, 25 Aug 2018 19:21:55 EST iTUH5a8Q No.57512 Reply
>>57341
>In trying to add some framing to 6000 years of Mesopotamian history, I traced the religious evolution

More than a few do not realize the extent to which Mesopotamia is distinct in religious demographics until now. Two whole religions, the Yezidis and Mandeans, have a large majority located in Mesopotamia. The Church of the East, or Nestorian Christians, have been based there since the 5th century and had churches from Cyprus to China in the Middle Ages. There are 'Jewish Kurds' who, along with the neighboring Christians, speak (or spoke) the language of Assyria from the time of Ashurbanipal. Three of these have had some presence in Iran/Persia, but not the Yezidis whose traditional areas seem to all be in Mesopotamia. I've read that the original pagans were still in existence during the Arab empires. And there are particularly unorthodox Muslim "Alevis" in the northern periphery.
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Martin Dashmotch - Wed, 05 Sep 2018 16:11:59 EST stKj2uKJ No.57518 Reply
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>>57473
Seriously the greatest posts this board will ever know.
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Shitting Fosslepedge - Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:00:03 EST /JUDCgXP No.57535 Reply
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>>57339
Very cool OP. Fellow History Major here too.

The 'war on terrorism'

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- Sat, 15 Sep 2018 20:07:30 EST Ytx8gGHk No.57520
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How would we be able to 'end' the war on terrorism?

The romans couldn't defeat the barbarians.

Now today terrorists are invading europe and trying to enforce Sharia law while painting themselves as helpless victims. Is this the new method of modern warfare? They are invading from the inside by the looks of it it appears they're doing it right too.

how would we finally win this so called war on terror.
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Martin Pommlefield - Sun, 16 Sep 2018 16:01:23 EST I0gh1mqC No.57521 Reply
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The war on terrorism is an effort by the United States and close western allies to justify a global military presence, especially in key strategic regions like central Asia and the seaways around Arabia. The primary purpose of this is geostratgic rivalry with the other potential Eurasian superpowers in Russia and China, as well as a parallel domestic program of fear mongering.
Contrast and compare with the red scare and the cold war policy of containment.

It ends when the Americans lose the will or means to keep it up, but there is no actual enemy to defeat.
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Albert Suttingpig - Thu, 20 Sep 2018 10:37:40 EST GnLfL9+w No.57525 Reply
Pls go back to your fox news forum.

Shays' Rebellion

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- Wed, 29 Aug 2018 02:10:52 EST M0xFym5C No.57514
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Daniel Shays, Eli Parsons and Job Shattuck did nothing wrong and Samuel Adams should have been hung from a tree.
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Eugene Horringpudging - Wed, 05 Sep 2018 10:49:23 EST ifP+KLNs No.57517 Reply
explain your position better then i will respond

help please

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- Tue, 12 Jun 2018 13:04:25 EST 0qSO+rVA No.57461
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I would like to be thoroughly informed on contemporary life in (South) Korea.
Can anyone recommend me books on Korean history from around 1945 onwards, as well as anything more to do with what it's like to live there and be Korean since Industrialisation started, generational differences and such? I don't know where to begin.

I went to my local library and all they had on Korea were two Lonely Planet guides and three war memoirs written by our troops who were involved in the Korean War.
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Polly Bommleteg - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:45:45 EST 0qSO+rVA No.57463 Reply
I found a load of contemporary Korean ethnographies but they start at $40 and go up to $300 or so.
Thankfully books about North Korea are plentiful and cheap.
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Hamilton Dupperfedge - Sun, 24 Jun 2018 12:16:45 EST yWuxaTBb No.57464 Reply
>>57463

Maybe OP should just go live in the North for a while. Maybe he can study there.
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Lived in Korea - Sun, 02 Sep 2018 16:10:42 EST zaHsBkia No.57515 Reply
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I lived in Korea for all of 2013 teaching English. Most of the books I read concerned Joseon dynasty happenings (King Sejong's rule and reforms, the Imjin Waeran) but one wonderful, excellent source for modern Korean history is the following blog:

http://populargusts.blogspot.com/

The author, a Canadian PhD in history (IIRC), covers all sorts of events, cultural shifts, and tensions from the late nineteenth century to the present day. There are multiple exhaustively researched posts on:

-the Olympics in 1988 (S. Korea's "we're rich now" coming-out party)
-1970's rule by Park Chung-hee, who jump-started the economy, criminalized marijuana (a traditional medicine for ~2000 years), and gang-pressed any hippies into suicide missions to the North
-the Gwangju pro-democracy uprisings and their brutal suppression
-the wealth gap and what "success" means in Korea today
-the Japanese occupation (torture, land reform, collaborators, legacy)
-the role of Christianity from early missions to present day (Korea is I think the most Christian country in all East Asia - 1/3 of the population or so?)
-anti-foreigner sentiment (the guy does kind of have a persecution complex)
-Korean literature from Yi Sang (1900's) to the present
-Korean film in cultural context (here's a good one I remember him linking to, about getting by in an increasingly money-oriented and less traditional society: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S3srD7qx9c )

&c. He's just fucking great. Follow up on what he mentions (books, films, music) and you will know a great deal about Korea.

Also, the Royal Asiatic Society's Korea branch has their own little printing press and all of their books are awesome. Check out these lists of titles and see if anything strikes your fancy: http://www.raskb.com/node/7

Also this Atlantic article I think is pretty smart: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/gangnam-style-dissected-the-subversive-message-within-south-koreas-music-video-sensation/261462/

Why did America even give a shit

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- Wed, 20 Apr 2016 00:46:22 EST NN93ashj No.56644
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Like what was the point of the cold war? Why was someone else following a different economic system... a threat?
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Lydia Crushwill - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 10:51:05 EST LOqox0NU No.57510 Reply
>>56646
So the real fight wasn't ideology but geo political dominance?
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Wesley Bunspear - Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:04:10 EST xAfK7Kl5 No.57513 Reply
>>57510
yes. Capitalist powers even supported Communists when it fit their aims, even at the very start of the Soviet Union. For example, Lenin was chauffeured into Russia by the German Reich. Russia in turn used Western leftists as useful idiots to further its own aims. Same as they do today with Right-wing groups like Jobbik.

And then for a different type of imperialism, you had the element of chauvinistic Jews who saw Soviet-style socialism and mass terror as a way to gain the upper hand over the Goyim, so you got seemingly paradoxical stuff like rich Jewish bankers such as Olof Aschberg, Jacob Schiff and Karl Radek financing the Bolsheviks. Winston Churchill, among others, wrote about this back in the 20's: https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism_versus_Bolshevism

Vikings

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- Thu, 07 Jan 2016 11:17:16 EST yEdEzxgG No.56393
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What are some good resources on the Old Norsemen, or Vikings? Namely I want to learn about their patterns on settlement around Europe. They could have set up a maritime Empire similar to what the British had in later centuries so it seems, so why was that never realized? They conquered enough land to start it.
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Charlemagne !PXhMv3keyc - Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:56:30 EST RBbEukYB No.57477 Reply
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>>57475
weak bait
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Polly Minkinpan - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 21:00:33 EST CK1mjPuU No.57481 Reply
>>57477
Thats was probably a Finnish boat that Swedish historical revisionists decided to take credit for.

russia

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- Fri, 20 Jul 2018 20:51:44 EST jDhu60RY No.57488
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>Ivan the Terrible
>1530 to 1584
while west europeans underwent the renaissance and painted realistic art russia was literally still giving their kings epithets like were they legends and only made one painting of their first tsar that is literally middle age tier


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