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plausible ww2 alternative history

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- Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:28:05 EST fn54Ftub No.57970
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Just finished binging s3 of Man in the High Castle. The premise is that japan and germany occupy the usa following its destruction its defeat in the 1940's. Seems pretty implausible to me as neither Germany or Japan really was that powerful. Philip K. Dick is a great author though and they did a good job on the series and ultimately he was proposing that the Americans could be just as fascistic given the circumstances and they were in no means unique. What would be a more realistic alternative ww2 history? Which is your favourite?
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Clara Buzzlewet - Sat, 27 Jun 2020 01:46:40 EST IlyKIasb No.58004 Reply
If Germany declared war on the Soviet Union before securing the Romanian oil fields they would have simply run out of fuel before coming anywhere near Moscow. (this ignoring the fact that Germany would have to station dozens of divisions in the West in case the French grew bolder after the Saar Offensive and the fact that huge amounts of looted French tanks, artillery, and other assorted equipment were retrofitted for use in Barbarossa). June 1941 was the most viable date for invading Russia. The failure of Operation Barbarossa is in the planning and execution rather than the timing.
David Clummlenun - Sat, 27 Jun 2020 02:11:16 EST HjtA+9g+ No.58005 Reply
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Hmmm, yeah I guess you're right. I never figured in the oil problems, I guess I assumed Romania would be able to hold itself until the Germans arrived but I guess that would have put the operation into jeopardy too depending on how much troops they would have to transfer from the Russian front. Also I never calculated in France actually taking the initiative to invade Germany itself honestly. I thought the failure of Saar would have been a proponent in them not trying to invade again but now that I'm thinking about it, they honestly wouldn't have no reason not to invade Germany (especially when their preoccupied in russia.)
Walter Semmleshaw - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 05:19:38 EST EDZZZ3IE No.58022 Reply
A band of axis states would make sense, be a USSR-like block right next to it
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what the fuck is wrong with g*erms?

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- Mon, 20 Apr 2020 07:32:21 EST thLj3oPj No.57963
File: 1587382341534.jpg -(148114B / 144.64KB, 800x560) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. what the fuck is wrong with g*erms?
>somehow actually manages to unite your joke of a country after 2000 years of krauts eternal sperging
>all of your progress is fucked up by an enthusiastic larping manlet obsessed with his dungeons and dragons fantasy version of europe
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Hugh Clayford - Fri, 26 Jun 2020 02:54:19 EST mYikac1y No.58003 Reply
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>somehow actually manages to unite your joke of a country
WHAT ABOUT THE- you know you should really look into the numbers because it really looks to a lot of interpreters of citations that fraud was not sustainable. they had these vacation programs and nobody got to take theirs even though they somehow were under the impression that they did. oh hey i love jews!
Walter Semmleshaw - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 05:16:19 EST EDZZZ3IE No.58020 Reply
The third reich was actually supposed to be reinstating the Holy Roman Empire IIRC... So he wasn't the first to unite it in 2000 years

Hitler was a puppet IMO for a much worse scheme, democracy
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Fanny Dribberstotch - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 18:59:07 EST IlyKIasb No.58031 Reply
The Holy Roman Empire was in the beginning not particularly German, being a hodgepodge of Latin, Slavic, and German speaking peoples across a vast frontier of central Europe, and in the end not particularly unified, having been fragmented apart by centuries of brutal religious conflict centering around the Protestant Reformation and earlier the Hussite Wars. When it was unified, it wasn't Germany, and when it was more or less German, it wasn't unified. The very concept of a unified German national identity has more to do with Napoleon than it ever had to do with Charlemagne, Otto I, or Frederick II.

Countries whose people I truly feel sorry for

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- Mon, 08 Jul 2019 10:21:35 EST C/SaHHe7 No.57676
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There are several countries whose national history have been and still is one long journey through terrible leaders, ideologies and societal problems.
I will name the worst of them and why I think like that.

>entire history is basically the common people being subjected to constant torture
>neo-confucianism (the most inhumane ideology ever conceived)
>foot binding and castration was still practiced at times when democracy either was implemented or discussed in most European countries
>near universal infanticide
>was ruled by foreign dynasties for the majority of the last millennia
Mao Zedong was just following the millennia long tradition of Chinese cruelty. Don't ever let anyone tell you anything else. But at the very least China is currently improving which is totally deserved. The Chinese have had a long and terrible history.

>was ruled by Mongols
>serfdom abolished by 1861
>was a monarchy in 1917
>after collapse of USSR, Russia turned even shittier
>nationwide corruption stems from the very top of Russian leadership
There is currently no hope for Russia. Their economy is still going down the shitter.

>long history of institutionalized corruption (lobbying) by companies
>very little working rights
>indoctrination of school children, people are brainwashed into letting companies fuck them over
>billion dollar military budget
>faux-democracy (e.i. gerrymandering, first past the post)
>both Republicans and Democrats are corrupt and elitist
>industry of propaganda (like "American Sniper")
If there are any Americans reading this then I don't know what you have been told what Europeans think about America but please know that NO western Europeans and only few eastern Europeans regards USA as anything but a poor, corrupt, miserable country.
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Jenny Hodgechure - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 17:08:17 EST a7jSUtE7 No.58010 Reply
>the GOE intends to broaden its Integration Action Plan to include initiatives designed to address integration of new, and non-European, arrivals
>the Embassy is providing $4,000 for the Tartu Black Nights Film Festival to screen U.S. films on the theme of cultural and racial tolerance. We hope that this film festival ? run by Estonians for Estonians ? will help generate widespread public discussion on the issues of tolerance and diversity.
Walter Semmleshaw - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 05:10:31 EST EDZZZ3IE No.58019 Reply
I feel like China had about the same level of inhumane practices as the other cultures. I guess I don't know the cat planet for school? History seems like a poor place to decide a future though... USA also could really be worse. It may be corrupt but it has a lot of access to things some countries still do without. Central African countries are probably the worst off today, if there isn't a problem from their limited access there's a civil war, at least South Americans don't have as much of a problem with their territories going on.
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Republics and Currency don't work homie

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- Tue, 30 Jun 2020 13:02:45 EST duge0Mnb No.58008
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Republics and Currency will always result in a system that centralizes power to the currupt. CHANGE MY FUCKING MIND IF YOU DARE YO
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David Chondlefit - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 20:53:13 EST SNXdGotQ No.58013 Reply
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Any system that centralizes power of any kind will always result in a system that centralizes power to the corrupt, because the corrupt lack the moral prohibition against pushing against the spirit of a system in the use of its mechanisms. But the corrupt will adapt to whatever tools are available to them. Abolish wealth and they will subvert the law, abolish the law they will use brute force.

There has been corruption and authoritarianism in every kind of system, republican or imperial, trade based or agrarian. The abolition of any system at all, even by well meaning people who have mastered themselves, always seems to result in a power vacuum for those who lack mastery of themselves and who willingly fling themselves at any master, worthy or unworthy.

The antidote to dictatorial power and moneyed interests is a robust system that distributes smaller amounts of power to many different people in frustrating ways, but any such agreed upon structure could loosely be refereed to as a public thing, or republic.

The problem arises when powered interests achieve the gravity to prevent competing interests from keeping them in check, conspiring to keep the population ignorant so that the population cannot wield the tools. But this is not an inherent failing of the tools, it is a lack of expertise in doing the good work. In such cases, the republic may die. But if it must, it must be replaced by a new republic, or by corruption, or some mixture of the two.
Hedda Dartfoot - Thu, 09 Jul 2020 19:35:02 EST PqIVyg6p No.58014 Reply

damn nigga is that an excerpt from a book? if so which? i am ignorant and need to read more
Walter Semmleshaw - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 05:01:28 EST EDZZZ3IE No.58017 Reply
Currency can be equally distributed. It isn't the case usually but it is possible with proper law.

Republics on the otherhand are totally unnecessary and always devolve into implosion. With good law, no changes will need to be made, no one will need to be elected.
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- Sun, 02 Oct 2016 19:47:46 EST KCDGi4tU No.56914
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So in the 17th and 16th century muskets used a matchlock or wheellock mechanism to fire and therefore took a long time to reload, leaving the musketeers vulnerable, so they needed Pikemen to protect them. My question is- why didn't they just attach the pike underneath the musket and turn them into Piketeers?

I mean if you attached it underneath the musket with hoops, you could move the pike along so the musket was at the centre of gravity when you fired it. And obviously if it got to close quarters you could just us the pike like a pike.
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Angus Clenningwill - Wed, 09 May 2018 13:06:30 EST rbK+gS1r No.57453 Reply
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>It's not the alignment so much as the balance.

I love you bro, no homo.
Nell Feffingtedging - Mon, 20 May 2019 15:21:36 EST XsO0o/wD No.57645 Reply
Dude, the firing mechanism wasn't the only issue. They were muzzle loaders. That means they have to stand up and pour the powder down the barrel, smush in a bit of wadding to make a good seal and help pack the powder properly, and then toss in the ball! This is also why they couldn't have anything impeding access to the barrel.

Why is the Judge Rotenberg Center still open?

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- Sat, 17 Aug 2019 05:22:22 EST BxA+b6t5 No.57778
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Why on earth this is place still open? At what point does it get shut down?!


The "treatments" provided in that hellhole are illegal in every country on earth BUT the USA. The use electric shocks, but not in the way common therapy for such is applied, but as 'aversion therapy'...by strapping kids to tables and running electricity through them as a punishment. This 'aversion therapy' has left second and third degree burns on some of these kids, and not only is it legal in this country, it is court ordered.

It's illegal to do this to murderers*, but who gives a shit if it's some enthusiastic kid, right?

*And well it should be!
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Charlotte Hubberway - Fri, 27 Sep 2019 23:51:48 EST SApkZKRL No.57822 Reply
Another thing people don't want to know about. If I were to tell people about this they would brush it off or not believe me, if I were to show them this they would protest at having to know about it & ask why I would want to look up these things.

This is something I had assumed admittedly had long been abandoned in practice & find deeply disturbing it's continued use in the states...
Yoshi - Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:10:49 EST f74QJYU9 No.57967 Reply
What the fuck?! This is horrifying. This has no place in modern medicine, modern judicial practices, or any part of our culture here in the United States. I'm going to share this shit, get bitched at for being hella negative and quietly looked at as a psycho or conspiracy theorist.Then I'll get bummed and start drinking so I can be as numb as errybody else.


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- Mon, 13 Jan 2020 02:37:49 EST ZZpfoyvI No.57937
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Now that we have time to really look back at history and now have more information and facts to judge certain individuals can we now accurately say that Huey Long (The kingfish) and his platform and ideas were based?
Fucking Parringman - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 13:00:10 EST 0n7WzI3X No.57938 Reply
Any of his socialist leaning ideas are kind of marred by the fact he was running a corrupt as it gets tamany hall style patronage system, and his power base just happened to be the rural poor so that's who got his patronage.

He cleaned out the state bureaucracy of people installed by his predecessors putting thousands of people out of a job, he required his replacements to "donate" to his campaigns out of the salaries he felt they owed him. He used dictatorial powers and armed gunmen to hold onto power and ram through his agenda, which because his agenda helped the poor makes him feel like a hard nosed hero who'll do what it takes to fight through vested interests, but what if his powerbase was the baton rouge merchant class and the oil companies and he was using the same methods to force through an agenda that patted them on the back instead?

Personally, though I think he talked about a lot of things that are worth exploring, especially capped income 100% tax brackets, in his own words his platform was an attempt to slap a bandaid on capitalism and stave off the threat of actual communism. I don't feel like he had any ideas or high morals of his own, he had ambitions and knew which ideas to champion to get more power for himself. It was a ripe time to be a populist, ask Hitler and Mussolini.
In the end, he was shot to death by the son of a man he was trying to get fired for political purposes so he could stack the courts with hand picked judges, and his family dynasty have become the exact same class of hereditary country club politicians he positioned himself as the cure to.


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- Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:51:05 EST vYAwT/2R No.57868
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Why did Stalin starve six million Ukrainians to death in 1932-1933?
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Trajira - Sun, 03 Nov 2019 00:42:31 EST wHI9PkXi No.57871 Reply
You know I went to like 7 hs, never learned about world war 1... Like never man. What I think is maybe the religious side of was all but political to him. Shit it's commin from a dipshit like myself tho. Lol
Phoebe Pubblemet - Sat, 22 Feb 2020 05:09:58 EST CeL9rTjI No.57945 Reply
As noted by Augustus Cruvingshaw
famine...partly caused by the disruption of collectivisation and partly by drought. compounded by Soviet determination to maintain its level of exports of agricultural produce, wheat in particular, and ensure it could meet its overseas payments. For this the people starved.
Betsy Fuckleman - Mon, 02 Mar 2020 21:54:36 EST PqIVyg6p No.57946 Reply
more like, why did stalin abandon the warsaw uprising after promising to back them up. that shit's pretty unforgivable to me


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- Tue, 28 Jan 2020 17:15:17 EST dsJOQiGY No.57941
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I'm not leftwing or rightwing but what was bigotry or discrimination like in the 80's or 70's? Yanno against blacks or handicaps etc.?

I was only 4 in 1989.
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SS dagger

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- Thu, 19 Dec 2019 17:49:29 EST qnlyRiTh No.57912
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Recently came across this old dagger, was wondering if you guys know which things to check for authenticity.. how do I know it's not a replica?
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Cornelius Pickhood - Fri, 20 Dec 2019 22:51:52 EST Ezj5la1D No.57918 Reply
I checked into this and it appears to be this:


Insofar as whether or not what you have is authentic is a different question. But that appears to be what it's based on.

I thought at first that this was fake given the silly ornateness of the chain, skull and ss. But nope that cartoonishly evil shit is real.
Cedric Pippermore - Sat, 21 Dec 2019 07:18:55 EST DCSIsOzZ No.57919 Reply
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These seem to be missing on mine though, guess that's a giveaway
Walter Hettingfield - Sat, 25 Jan 2020 05:20:53 EST ZtlbEABr No.57940 Reply
I'm no expert but that really looks like a copy.

Cold War General Thread

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- Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:56:03 EST 6nKr2p8x No.54044
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The concepts of MAD and proxy wars obsess me. Let's have a thread focusing on cold war era geopolitics, and also have a look at the culture of the time and different points of view that each country had.

Kissinger critiquing the concept of total war and calling for americans to focus on conventional warfare:
The build up to the cold war with an empathsis on the British point of view:
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Fanny Worthingstock - Wed, 23 Sep 2015 01:30:02 EST 1qEdrkTE No.56145 Reply
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Just read "A Failed Empire: The Soviet Union in the Cold War from Stalin to Gorbachev" by Vladislav Zubok, which covers Soviet foreign policy and political history excellently. Zubok, as far as I know, coined a term for the near-constant premise of Soviet foreign policy called "Revolutionary-Imperialist paradigm", which assumed the imminent collapse of the liberal capitalist order and that armed with Marx's "scientific theory", Soviet diplomats and statesman were superior to their Western counterparts.

I'm interested what everyone's perspective is on Mikael Gorbachev? I had always looked up to Gorbachev as a peacemaker and liberal idealist, but wowza did this book convincingly paint his tenure as characterized by chaos and naivety! After the mid-80's he wouldn't use force in practically any circumstance, whether to quell protests or defeat rebels or just bulwark the state (the only pacifistic world leader perhaps in world history). He also winged almost all of his domestic and foreign policy, often resulting in failure or decentralization due to inadequate planning.

Also, Raymond Garthoff's tomes on the Cold War from Nixon to Reagan are phenomenal, probably some of the most incisive and even-handed Cold War histories ever written.

Zubok's book corroborates that Mao's puritanism and ideological radicalism were a constant thorn on the side of the Soviet foreign policy. He suggested that Mao's China resented heavily the Soviets' international stature and how they dominated the communist world, so they'd constantly undermine (relative) Soviet pragmatism.
Polly Dullermog - Wed, 08 Jan 2020 13:50:41 EST yqtuflhy No.57934 Reply
Oh there was violence under Gorbachev, he sent special forces to stop Baltic independence movements and people died.

God this board is dead

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- Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:48:53 EST putfxC4q No.57503
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C'mon let's talk about cool history shit. circlejerk sucks.

How would the world look if WW2 never happened?
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Orthas - Sun, 03 Nov 2019 00:46:49 EST wHI9PkXi No.57872 Reply
Seems like we would have a bunch of bastards fucking their soon to be daughter in laws. I am not for Mass "genecide" I just know that it needed to happen due too bad dreams prospering.
Alice Poffingstock - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 01:27:37 EST f2hT9cGw No.57888 Reply
Likely would've just happened a different way. Between China's civil war and the Japanese conflicts around Asia, along with Soviet ambition, conflict was inevitable. Say if Hitler lost steam or became an artist instead of a murderer, I betcha the western world would unite against the USSR. Maybe Japan would have a change of heart and ally with Russia to take a little pressure off of the inland front. If they took their traditional stance and pounded Russia, maybe China would still have a chance. SEA just depends on the timeline, but imperial Japan just wanted as much land as possible, as did the Nazis and ISSR. Maybe it would be a race to hunt down Stalin, followed with a Japanese-Western conflict.
Jack Clibberwater - Thu, 19 Dec 2019 23:37:40 EST ADE5Aufj No.57915 Reply
This is an interesting idea but I wish you could frame it better. Are you saying as in the Nazis never come to power? Or that the outcome of WWI didn't lead to the fall of the Kaiser?

In some ways it very much defends on how much the Versailles treaty is enforced... If before the 30s, say, certain provisions were eased etc etc. You're talking about possibly a very different outcome where maybe German politics is stable throughtout the 20s and 30s as a Republic, but maybe with less Nazi'ism and more Communism as the "extreme" ideology present in the country.

If you're talking about a situation where Germany consolidated it's continental gains before 1939 and never invaded Poland I think that's an interesting question of whether Hitler could have ever "existed in the peace." His personality, among other things, drove a lot of that decision making. And in a lot of ways that ideology is apocalyptic in nature and has a constant need for an enemy. So it's hard to say if you could have ever had a "peaceful" nazi germany. That seems to me to be a contradiction in itself.

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