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Learning all the things: Greece

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- Wed, 05 Apr 2017 22:58:33 EST z22WJzz+ No.57137
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If I wanted to learn all there is to know about Ancient Greece and its history (especially concerning their political system, mythology, major philosophies/philosophers, and how these things related to and affected lives, from the top echelons of society down to the average person), where would you recommend that I start?

ITT give me documentaries, books, podcasts, articles or just tell me any facts that you personally find interesting about the aforementioned subjects. I want to know things
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Sidney Sigglestone - Fri, 28 Apr 2017 22:10:40 EST +A561kbm No.57169 Reply
>>57168
Sir, if you watched Ave Imperator instead of Historia Civilis, you might be a little more stoic and a little less prone to hyperbole and emotional instability. Valete.

Logical Catholic Order

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- Fri, 17 Mar 2017 22:40:39 EST Ygs9AYXj No.57124
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Is or was there a Catholic order of which the testaments of the bible are interpreted as histories of interactions between humans who had technology to live eternal life and those who were other than possessing technology to live eternal life?
I am a Catholic, and though I'm spiritually starving for some community realism...so I want to know.
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Kyle Lewis Sison - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:38:09 EST Ygs9AYXj No.57128 Reply
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>>57127
I'm just early (hopefully) and trying to save. If I succeed then you succeed...so wish me luck?
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Cædmon Clipian - Wed, 19 Apr 2017 02:34:06 EST 56/DbdeS No.57160 Reply
>>57124
The neo-orthodoxy movement of the 20th Century laid the groundwork for realist Christian ordinance, but was largely a Lutheran trend. If I were you, I'd disavow Catholicism if realism is what you seek.
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Cædmon Clipian - Wed, 19 Apr 2017 02:34:06 EST 56/DbdeS No.57161 Reply
>>57124
The neo-orthodoxy movement of the 20th Century laid the groundwork for realist Christian ordinance, but was largely a Lutheran trend. If I were you, I'd disavow Catholicism if realism is what you seek.

The history channel isnt history hear my drunken rant!

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- Sun, 09 Apr 2017 17:07:48 EST ozqZ+LdR No.57141
File: 1491772068605.png -(428490B / 418.45KB, 499x499) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. The history channel isnt history hear my drunken rant!
Pawnstars:

Scripted TV show with made up historical objects 80% of the show is about the characters and not history

Ancient aliens:

Some batshit insane guy trying to convince everyone that aliens exist and created our plant is not history, there isnt any historical evidence or facts confirming this.

Swamp People: Bunch of redneck inbreds hunting alligators and living in louisiana

Ax men: Lumberjackasses logging trees

Big Rig Bounty Hunters: Some fat fuck that repossess trucks

American Pickers: some con artists who pick garbage then claim its old and historical and raises the prices above being fair at all.

Counting Cars: Spin-off of pawn stars, has nothing to do with history

Mountain men: some old bearded guy yelling at other bearded guys showing survival skills in the mountains.

Alone: Basically the real life hunger games again 80% of the time it's about them it has nothing to do with history.

Forged in Fire: basically metalworkers,...that's about it.

The Curse of Oak Island: Two closest homosexuals trying to solve an urban legend in a scripted tv show that will never be solved.


Tell me /H I S/ How the fuck am i supposed to learn anything about the past or how this can benefit real life historians?
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Archie Supperlan - Fri, 14 Apr 2017 23:44:35 EST GJTiKYyy No.57158 Reply
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I completely agree, the history channel is just reality tv now to be competitive
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Sidney Sammergold - Tue, 02 May 2017 10:56:44 EST jf6fe/6r No.57172 Reply
>>57141
>>57159
>>57157
It's not just this History Channel... It's every channel. Sci-fi has wrestling. TLC is half reality and home and garden shows. The Home & Garden channel is half cute-animal shows. BBC airs Star Trek TNG for half the day. It goes on and on. No US channel that airs with a particular genre or style manages to maintain it for more than a handful of years before it hijacks itself for more profitable, entirely unrelated programming.

Oh, and there's another writer's strike coming up, so get ready for even MORE reality shows!

You're kinda stuck with on-demand or the Internet. The commercial model of television is just plain broken for specialty channels, even though all hundred of those channels are all owned by maybe five corporations, and they could certainly use the "popular" channels to fund the specialty channels. One would *think* that fact would prevent this crap, but alas, it is not the case, as each is forced to compete for earnings individually.

PBS still has its ups and downs I suppose.

Tell me everything you want me to know

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- Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:38:35 EST 3zNoMkNy No.56988
File: 1479602315263.jpg -(1351777B / 1.29MB, 4160x3120) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Tell me everything you want me to know
Hey, /his/, I live in Iceland so I feel distant from other countries. Most people here are informed, I think.. But I'm not sure whether it was my parents being separated/ dad in jail/ mother being completely ignorant of all problems in the world
But I never learned anything truly about the world. I'm 20 and in 2014 I asked my formed boyfriend the question "What is a fascist?" he was shocked having me not known what it was, as well as not knowing anything about North Korea
I felt angry myself that I didn't know these things and entered a class completely based on WWII, but it was intended for complete history nerds, so I went about deep details which usually people wouldn't even know about Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin.
However I still don't feel in place here. During the American elections I got pretty scared that WWIII might happen, because I've gone into way deep shit about how incredibly awful WWII was, and I know nuclear weapons are probably wayyy worse now than during Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but I calmed down and don't think/hope not that Trump will be going near that.
I also have been reading about ISIS, the Al-Quaeda, even tried to read some of Islam but all of which I did just sounded exactly like the bible, although I know it isn't, they worship Allah, and things are fucked in their beliefs although I want to find out exactly what their religion bases itself off, and what ISIS stands on
I want to understand what's going on in Syria and how to feel about refugees, I know they are being off limited in every country, even here in Iceland, and just what we could do for them, why everything is happening in the world..
I know my country is very small and insignificant to the outer world, but I really want to know whats going on, because it is happening, its real and thus it is important, and I will keep coming here to try to get a fix over whats up, but I'd also like it if you guys could help me gather more info, comment about it, or even drop me links, whatever it is.
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George Clayson - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:22:53 EST nLTvpZ14 No.57134 Reply
>>57132
No one is accusing you of being a Stormfronter. I accused you of being a fucking stormfront immigrant.

If you don't know the proper catplanet, that just proves that you're a fucking stormfront immigrant.
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Caroline Higglekid - Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:33:10 EST JgLSnCXL No.57135 Reply
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>>56988
It's tough to say what's going on, as the internet has ceased to be a way to accurately acquire info (in my opinion). There is quite a bit of misinformation, as has always been. Check out the Katyn Massacre. The soviets murdered the heads of the Polish army and this information was suppressed in the west because we had to be behind Russia for economic and military reasons. They tried to pin it on the National Socialists at the Nuremburg trials and they all lol'd. So yeah, I'd go with Sherlock Holmes in that your mind has only so much space, don't tax it and your sanity attempting to make sense of heavily suppressed current events while a league of idiots bleat on your ear. History will tell us what we didn't do.
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Thomas Mimmerfire - Thu, 30 Mar 2017 23:53:37 EST JvKHliQV No.57136 Reply
>>57135
>the internet has ceased to be a way to accurately acquire info (in my opinion)

Nah, you just gotta know how to vet sources as credible or not.

Christ's Cut

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- Sun, 06 Mar 2016 13:01:52 EST wFiqczKy No.56569
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Did Jesus have a Jewfro or an Afro?
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Oliver Sinningpone - Thu, 09 Mar 2017 16:25:21 EST YEmgtMe4 No.57119 Reply
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>>57117
>All that matters is that his education came from the east
Word?
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Fanny Fuckingworth - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:05:05 EST wVlCXJBU No.57120 Reply
>>57117

u do know Lamb was a satirical work of fiction right?
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Oliver Puggleburk - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:33:19 EST mSizdWFT No.57129 Reply
>>57120
Soooo fucking good though. Need to reread nb

Looting lol

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- Tue, 28 Feb 2017 02:43:55 EST +Y0H01EZ No.57109
File: 1488267835825.jpg -(6667B / 6.51KB, 207x204) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Looting lol
So, I live in an area with a lot of historic sites for the United States--loads of maneuvering and raiding and fighting during the Civil War, some action in the Revolutionary War & 1812, plus the fact that Europeans have been in the area for 400 years. Unfortunately, a lot of important shit gets paved over all the time. Battlefields being turned into subdivisions and shopping malls. I got a nifty metal detector for Christmas so I think I'm gonna snoop around a wooded area at the junction of two local roads behind a gas station later this week. According to some local records during the Civil War a group of Confederates and Union troops skirmished at that road junction. There's another road nearby that something like 50 generals marched troops on during the War I'd like to search. Keeping in mind none of this land is parkland if you get caught relic hunting on protected battlefields they fine you, lock you in jail, & confiscate your metal detector & the vehicle you drove in on , have any of yall ever gone out and tried to gather relics?

I know it's trespassing but these are basically bum-infested thickets waiting to get turned into another strip mall and it feels wasteful having that history get lost, you know?
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Polly Fullernick - Mon, 06 Mar 2017 16:19:37 EST ueQZvpy5 No.57114 Reply
>>57112
This. Never forget your actions are not in a vacuum, and other people will follow your lead if you let them. One bullet is nothing. A thousand idiots with metal detectors trampling over historical sites is not nothing. Europe has huge problems with treasure hunters ruining old Roman ruins or neolithic dolmens trying to hunt for gold.
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Cyril Widgenut - Thu, 09 Mar 2017 09:11:39 EST nLTvpZ14 No.57118 Reply
>>57114
>searching for gold in neolithic dolmens

Just when you think people can't get more retarded... they do.

How reliable is historiography?

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- Wed, 18 Jan 2017 15:17:53 EST ywx7469d No.57044
File: 1484770673970.png -(749525B / 731.96KB, 2268x2273) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. How reliable is historiography?
Sometimes I get a little paranoid about this. Do all historians have evidences about they're afirmatives?
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William Grimman - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 02:50:00 EST 4Js4gPGR No.57106 Reply
>>57105

I was just fucking with him

I don't even know what histiography is.

Periods which need more exposure?

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- Mon, 07 Nov 2016 10:53:53 EST mHFutvZ2 No.56963
File: 1478534033490.jpg -(310236B / 302.96KB, 1405x1500) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Periods which need more exposure?
Medieval Byzantium certainly doesn't get enough credit
>stole silk from China
>greek fire
>essentially bought the huns off as permanent mercenaries

What periods do you think need more exposure? What times do you think its important for the average person to know more about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaZK-WqZMB8
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Phyllis Brunkinham - Sun, 25 Dec 2016 17:30:22 EST ZG4s1pP5 No.57031 Reply
>>57009
I've been to the horn of africa and it's an utter shithole. Nothing of value
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zxz - Wed, 11 Jan 2017 21:07:05 EST hJDXnZvF No.57039 Reply
ancient colombia and mexico

all the old world shit is greeeat and all,

but people in central and southern mexico and colombia were doing mushrooms and dmt for thousands of years. no one gives a fuck though thats the part thats so mind numbing to me.

art is cute and all but what can you actually experience and take hold of or apply from these other places. theres very little that you can turn in to your own experience.
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Hamilton Brugglebury - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 22:48:56 EST pjKBi0qU No.57040 Reply
>>57039
>no one gives a fuck though thats the part thats so mind numbing to me.
Because that culture was so thoroughly raped, there's so few people around who truly know and very, very scarce records. This was deliberate. Destroy all knowledge of these peoples because it was inferior to the glorious might of Spanish Catholicism.

I had this super hippy dippy sociology professor in college. He told us this story about how he was doing research in South America (he did his dissertation on Liberation Theology) and he rode up to a group of very rural people on a horse with his companions. And they had never seen a white man before, and so appears this man with long hair and pale skin and they think it's Jesus Christ himself. Pretty whacky stuff. But yeah, the reach of the Spanish Empire was long my friend.

But beyond the Drugs dude. Like in Peru, the Incans were literally the Roman Empire with a massive sprawling connected empire of roads and cities (i think it was more complicated politically). So they got fucked cause they got there late. This was like, an ongoing process in the 1500s. It's not like Ancient Egypt where these ruins have been

I Sincerely Believe...

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- Sat, 10 Dec 2016 19:05:48 EST gG9f1duV No.57013
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It seems that throughout history, there have been more mass rapes, sexual slavery and forced breeding done to white people by Muslims than the other way around.

Others say that this is not true, but they only say this because they do not have the emotional strength to admit it. But you might know. So if you can, please prove me wrong.
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Isabella Bammerfetch - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 06:12:13 EST nLTvpZ14 No.57025 Reply
>>57020
>No such thing happened the other way around; in fact, there is no evidence that Crusaders raped women en masse.

Hahahahahaah, are you retarded?
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Alice Chorrylark - Fri, 16 Dec 2016 06:23:13 EST UpNsw6rc No.57027 Reply
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>>57013
your question should be on yahoo
ignored nb
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Ian Blubbleman - Sun, 18 Dec 2016 07:35:16 EST pACIDeoi No.57028 Reply
Even IF what you're saying were true (which I don't think it is), let's make out a big of atrocities Christians have done

Colonized the just about the entire fucking world
Killed hundreds of millions (over a billion maybe?) through enslavement, ethnic genocide, famine, war
De-industrialized and intentionally underdeveloped nations all over the globe
Supplanted countless local cultures, forced capitalism upon everyone, tried to force Christianity on everyone
Is more or less the reason why the world today is in such a dire, perilous shitty state

I could go on. Equally, I could make a big long list of the positive contributions to humanity that the West has done, and I could make a similar list about both aspects for Muslims. The point is that you can't make sweeping generalizations with no context or facts and expect it to hold up as an argument or people to actually take you seriously. I don't even know why I'm trying, there's pretty much nothing anyone will say that will make you change your mind. You might act like you're willing to "discuss" but in actual fact you're just an uneducated tool.

Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf

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- Mon, 28 Nov 2016 15:03:29 EST SqGhCnYX No.56996
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I just watched over this weekend all of "the Great War"s week by week one hundred years ago in the First World War youtube videos, and I must recommend them because of the high documentary level quality and the details of how each week of the War unfolded.

https://m.youtube.com/user/TheGreatWar

One of the most interesting people from the war that even I didn't know much about was the Austrian Cheif of the general staff
Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf

Specifically his consistan overestimation of the Austrian-Hungarian ability to wage war. I suppose he wasn't that different in that respect from the likes of Italian General Luigi Cadorna. But Hotenzndorf really couldn't see that economical the Hapsburg Empire was incapable of supplying and supporting a modern army.

Does anyone have more info or books about him to recommend? Especially if they have to do with operational planning and the logistics of the Austro-Hungarian war effort?
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Edwin Foggleford - Tue, 29 Nov 2016 02:00:57 EST GBTnxtdM No.56997 Reply
Oh yeah, total buffoon. It's interesting when you begin to see Indy get genuinely frustrated by him at one point. Does he not launch like, a fourth assault into the carpathians in winter or some shit? It's terrifying how clueless nobles were able to get themselves into such influential positions back in the day. That applies to all WW1 armies but the A-H specifically.
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The Boat - Tue, 29 Nov 2016 03:30:16 EST SqGhCnYX No.56998 Reply
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>>56997
Three attacks into the carpathians in winter with cardboard boots and summer uniforms, to rescue the garrison of 100,000 at the fortress of premesyl they lost in those attacks 800,000 men... this was modern war <gravity laden pause>.

Yeah isn't this show great? He seems to get frustrated with herzedorf and Cadorna the most.

Related to Veterans/Heroes?

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- Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:23:37 EST j8QhAWnX No.56735
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I'm new to / his /.
I was wandering if anyone here is related to any military veterans, or someone who died a hero, and what their story is.

My grandfather was a Staff Sergeant in F Company, 22 Infantry Regiment, 4th Infantry Division in WWII.

He went in on Utah Beach on D-Day. Fought in 4 campaigns; Normandy, Rhineland, Hurtgen Forest, Battle of the Bulge, and Central Germany. He received 3 purple hearts, and Bronze Star for bravery in his unit taking the city Luxembourg. The 22nd IR received two Presidential Distinguished Unit Citations. He was the leader of the VFW in my hometown until his passing in 2007.

Like any good American, I hold high regard and respect for all of those who have served, and would like to hear some other stories.

Ric Flair unrelated but pretty American tbh.
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Molly Dunninghore - Mon, 14 Nov 2016 02:01:21 EST k5UrPwXz No.56972 Reply
>>56971
I know, the only thing he was right about...
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Albert Clayford - Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:49:49 EST FqRGTRMQ No.56974 Reply
>>56972
>>56973
I like it too, it wasn't great - but good enough to be enjoyable, and it has sights that are just... wow. Unique.

But an old man digging a weird scifi film like that... that's pretty cool.

The men who fuck goats

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- Wed, 26 Oct 2016 11:11:43 EST EUhXVZGQ No.56945
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So like psychic powers are bullshit, but are reverse psychology powers real?

>like did the Air Force do this in the 50's? Or was that movie complete horse shite?

Like what if man?

My theory is that we did look into that kind of shit in the Cold War because we looked into everything.
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Cyril Bablingfedging - Fri, 28 Oct 2016 13:41:55 EST JW5iN93X No.56950 Reply
there are certain genetic dispositions which allow for the factor to be true in qualities observed which at the normal circumstance of what is currently known does not rectify its posibility , which is cool , but remains as it is , its wildly imaginative up until you actually put together ways of application
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Edwin Worthingwell - Sat, 29 Oct 2016 08:13:47 EST lW/tbAqQ No.56951 Reply
>>56949

The mind control stuff was taken over from the Germans after WWII. They'd drug people with mescaline, put them into a really uncomfortable room and the interogator would say things like "This is really bad, they know you know and if you don't tell us we're all in deep trouble" while pretending to freak out himself. The Americans just switched to LSD and tried to fry their test subjects' brains even harder.

/int/craft - imageboard community minecraft server

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- Sat, 08 Oct 2016 09:10:13 EST 1o6WsWXm No.56929
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  • IP Address: intcraft.online
  • Server Version: 1.8.8 (any client from 1.8, 1.9 or 1.10 can join the server.)
  • Chien's World Map cropped to Eurasia
  • Towny, Brewery, meme recipes, cat planet and more..
RP and General Rules
Contrary to previous iterations we will now state the actual rules for the server in a clear way, pre-launch. In theory, as always, there is only one rule: Don’t be a shitter. If you follow this set of rules, you are thereby not a shitter and you are in theory allowed to do what you want on Intcraft, and it will be up to the server population and community to put an end to their own disputes.
Towny War Flag will only be enabled from Friday-Sunday, from Monday-Thursday it will be disabled. PvP will always be enabled.
First 24 hours after launch will have War Flag disabled
Roleplay
  1. Building a town/nation must be historically accurate for that location given the current time (300bc-300ad)
  2. Buildings do not have to be 100% accurate, variations are allowed. But no memes.
  3. Towns do not have to be exactly in the same geographical location as they were, but it should be in the same general area.
  4. If you only want to pvp, find a pvp server
  5. If you only want to buildfag, join a nation or get gud.
  6. Nations can spread through conquest or diplomacy, but no Atlantic Federation tier memes.
  7. Towns must be in a nation (within 24 hours of its creation)
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Moderators and Janitors will strictly enforce these clear rules only, if you arent breaking any rules there will be no punishment.
Neither Moderators or Janitors will recieve creative mode, or anything of the sort that would have much potential of game breaking abuse. They strictly exist to enforce the current set rules to some degree until an admin is available
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Archie Chebbleville - Sun, 09 Oct 2016 20:43:40 EST 4RNy1lDa No.56936 Reply
I'm in, you should post this in VG too
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Jenny Buckleded - Wed, 19 Oct 2016 23:09:03 EST 4zlanzOr No.56942 Reply
Could you explain what this game is?

Venus figurines

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- Mon, 15 Aug 2016 14:21:00 EST FqRGTRMQ No.56810
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Is there anyone here knowledgable about those things?

Someone recently mentioned an interesting thought to me, that Venus figurines are in fact NOT all of very "rotund" women as popularized by the Venus of Willendorf, and that the idea that prehistoric people liked their women "t h i c c" is just a modern presupposition based on incomplete evidence.

Can anyone corroborate this?
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Caroline Claffingworth - Thu, 06 Oct 2016 16:30:03 EST dl+0XG2p No.56921 Reply
>>56810
personally I think all the stuff about these being goddesses is bullshit. My occam's razor answer is that these were made by men to impress women and get them to mate with them.

before language, making these would have been a way to demonstrate dexterity, intelligence, and ability to plan ahead and take care of things. it immediately shows you are a desirable mate, men who were intelligent but not strong probably made these to have a chance to pass on their genes

think about it
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Graham Blathercocke - Fri, 07 Oct 2016 18:20:48 EST FqRGTRMQ No.56924 Reply
>>56921
You might have a point there. Just not a point you mentioned.

A guy who can spend time carving some statue, clearly has enough resources to do basically nothing for a day except carve some silly statue.
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Caroline Blackridge - Sat, 08 Oct 2016 14:09:58 EST Yt0MTGo3 No.56930 Reply
>>56921

Part of the problem also is that Westerners have a tendency to see any religious figure as necessarily being a "god". It's quite possible that the individuals who made such statues had religious purposes for them, but to say that the figure is meant to represent a "god" may be a case of projecting. We have a bad habit of assuming primitive or non-Western societies have the same understandings of what constitutes a "god" as us or even have a clear cut word for "god". If some other still existing animist religions (such as Shintoism) are any indication, the line between what would constitute a "god" and just a "spirit" can be blurry. And in places like Papua New Guinea, some of the tribes that convert to Christianity, still manage to keep many of their animistic traditions. Same goes with African animism or Yoruba, where there are plenty of African Christians and Muslims who simply re-interpret the Yoruba cosmology through a new religious lens. Likewise, Voodoo's mixture with Catholicism in the Americas where various saints are seen as embodiments of voodoo spirits reveals a similar dynamic element to animistic traditions. If the conceptions of "gods" were hard set and strictly defined in animistic traditions as they are say in the Greco-Roman pagan tradition, this kind of adaptability wouldn't be possible. In Japan, for instance, there has been at times a bit of difficulty in translating the term "kami" into English, which can be rendered as either "god" or just "spirit", depending on which is the preferred translation, the term "kami" as used in Japanese folklore and Shinto religious manuals can take a whole new meaning. If translated directly as "god", Shinto religion comes across as thoroughly polytheistic as any ancient Greek or Roman faith, but when translated as merely spirit, the cosmology of Shintoism seems much more capable of conforming to the theology of monotheistic traditions as well as polytheistic ones.

It's possible that if you talked to the people who made these "Venus" statues, they may have equally responded in the affirmative equally to "so this is a god, right?" as well as "so this is just a spirit, not a 'god' per se, right?" So that's why sometimes I'm skeptical of calling any ancient artifact of a possibly religious character without some kind of written evidence a representation of a "god." At least that's my take.

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