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is history the future?

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!MbOrDArdlI - Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:23:18 EST R/09CF0k No.56667
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I've been listen to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History series about WWI and its been making me think a bit about human nature. He talks about the learning curve that the military leadership climbed, killing millions senselessly in the process. They were all so certain of thing that anyone today would say are obviously wrong.

So how different are we? Take the US election as an example. The news says X will win because Y, and Z will happen blah blah blah.
But why are they so sure? Through the study of history, how much more do we know now about... idk causality, then the generals in WWI? If you look at the entirety of human history, its obvious things happen for a reason, and humans try to take advantage of that, but does it ever actually work? It all just seems like anarchy to me. Big things happening that occur because a gabizzilon tiny incidents that seem so obvious in hindsight while simultaneously being inconceivable before hand.

Can people as a species study enough history to overcome this? To do what people since forever have dreamed of doing and be able to use history to accurately predict the future? I think... maybe... but in the mean time, what the point of being certain of anything? If history tells us anything, it's that anything can happen at anytime for reasons that are very complex.

Take everyone on /pol/ with their thoughts about this and that. What do they know, what do any of us know. We are all just generals from WWI saying "If you just give me another 100,000 men, I can take their trenches in a mad rush"


IDK if this is the right board, but thought you might appreciate the traffic
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Emma Bodgeham - Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:09:15 EST 3Ays09so No.56884 Reply
>>56872
Funny you mention it, when I was in basic my company commander did a little speech on how we were supposed to live up to knightly virtues innasandbox during a lecture on the laws of war.
That, and I remember reading somewhere years ago that some people were upset we were ditching conscript armies because it meant we might return to medieval-style warrior families, with nobody else really having a clue how to fight. Looking at the fact that military families are a thing, they might be right.
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Shitting Necklechidge - Fri, 23 Sep 2016 23:00:01 EST FBZRkRuk No.56894 Reply
>>56848
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8016685.stm
Huh. The article says they charged, but then kinda meanders off. Did nobody actually get impaled? Also found this surprising:
>They had to charge across open ground and in the trenches they fought for five hours in one of the most intense battles since the Falklands.
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Cyril Sundlewater - Sat, 24 Sep 2016 09:35:53 EST FqRGTRMQ No.56896 Reply
>>56894
If I had to guess, all the insurgents routed as soon as those Scots with mounted bayonets started charging.

Operations in the area around Kharkov

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- Wed, 04 Nov 2015 18:07:07 EST zVA/5kJs No.56252
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Post any new or really detailed info you might have

or lets just talk about how interesting the tactical and strategic situation changes as the front was in flux

Post your Kharkov!
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Polly Nellydick - Sun, 18 Sep 2016 16:23:59 EST sjoYHHwl No.56874 Reply
>>56873
What? One is cobble stone, the other is pavement with street car tracks.

Books on Persia

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- Tue, 02 Aug 2016 08:21:39 EST vClVXRJl No.56796
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Ancient, medieval or early modern (up to 1800sish). Ancient and medieval much preferred.

I've read Persian Fire. More like it would be nice. Nothing overly academic. I like academic writing but not when it bores you to fucking tears. A nice balance between popular history and scholarly work a la Norman Davies would be nice. Any suggestions?
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Cyril Doblingdale - Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:10:26 EST Yt0MTGo3 No.56861 Reply
>>56799
>ending with the apocalyptic coming of the army of darkness (a thinly veiled reference to Islam).

*reference to Arabs

Ferdowsi was in all likelihood a Shi'a Muslim with some rather syncretic tendencies.

At least for many traditional Iranian Shi'a, there's not a whole lot of conflict between being Muslim and seeing the conquest of Persia by the Muslims as a great tragedy or an unjust war on the part of the Arabs, as the conquests were led by the caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab and later the Omayyad dynasty starting with the third caliph, Uthman. All these figures are regarded as heretics by the Shi'a faith and at least the Omayyads came to be regarded even by the Sunni orthodoxy as having deviated, with many early Muslim rebellions against them being led by Persian converts, including many who would eventually support the Abbassid coup. The Shahnameh was read by both Sunni and Shi'a but was held especially dear by Shi'a in Iran for many reasons, including religious ones as it basically became sort of part of the Iranian Shi'a canon with the stories of the pre-Islamic Persian kings recited along with the sayings and deeds of the great Shi'a Muslim saints.

Ferdowsi likely saw his work as a way of preserving Iranian heritage against Arab cultural and political domination and also saw it as a service to his own individual approach to the Shi'a faith, which was one which mixed itself freely with many of the pre-Islamic Zoroastrian traditions.
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Eliza Fibbernat - Wed, 14 Sep 2016 20:53:25 EST Yt0MTGo3 No.56864 Reply
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>>56804

Pic related should be your first book. It covers both Pre-Islamic and Islamic Persia in some detail and is generally free of bias.
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Eliza Fibbernat - Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:11:50 EST Yt0MTGo3 No.56865 Reply
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>>56804
>>56864

This book might also be fun for the 420ch crowd in particular. It covers the dynamics and religious politics of the use of alcohol and tobacco as well as drugs like hashish & opium in the context of later Iranian empire during the Shi'a period. It covers some early uses of substances during the pre-Islamic era and Sunni period but mostly focuses on the Shi'i Safavid and Qajar dynasties.

The Troubles

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- Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:06:13 EST vuu302UU No.56422
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Were any of you guys alive during the troubles? Had any relatives that were? Kinda curious as to how people remember it.
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Molly Greenhall - Sat, 10 Sep 2016 22:44:14 EST g72+uhWZ No.56856 Reply
>>56790
It would have been so cool if Napoleon had gone to Ireland instead of Egypt.
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Hugh Peckleforth - Mon, 12 Sep 2016 03:30:55 EST nvRt55wR No.56857 Reply
Behind the Mask: The IRA and Sinn Fein was a good documentary about it, with interviews of key players on all sides.
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Graham Lightbanks - Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:15:18 EST Z+0FxOWZ No.56859 Reply
>>56785
Napoleon also considered an invasion of England by supporting nationalist rebels. He even met Wolfe Tone.

Spanish Civil War

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- Tue, 30 Dec 2014 17:38:53 EST FifywTF/ No.54568
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Recommendations as to books on the Spanish Civil War?

I welcome all suggestions, but I'd especially like ones that are available in Spanish. I'm aware of Orwell's Homage to Catalonia, but I'm looking for a broader historical perspective. I've come across a Breve Historia by Iñigo Bolinaga, but it sounds like it might be pretty biased in favor of the Nationalist forces.

Anyway, thank you!
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Edwin Sugglelatch - Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:56:53 EST pIYqIk9c No.54569 Reply
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Anarchism and Workers Self Management in Revolutionary Spain by Frank Mintz
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Edwin Sugglelatch - Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:58:51 EST pIYqIk9c No.54570 Reply
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Ready For Revolution: The CNT defense committees in Barcelona 1933-1938 by Agustín Guillamón

Black German soldiers on the EU front during WW1?

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- Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:07:35 EST GuYk56cq No.56773
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So apparently in the new upcoming Battlefield 1 game there's some Black German soldiers on Europe's side. History-wise did this ever happen? Pic related.
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Jenny Wazzlechone - Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:01:05 EST 4UligxRH No.56816 Reply
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>>56814
That's true. At least they got a relatively highly developed rail system out of the deal as opposed to the Russian side.
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Hedda Bavingbot - Wed, 24 Aug 2016 18:26:38 EST 4RNy1lDa No.56820 Reply
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There were ALOT of black soldiers on all sides. They wen't black because they were African, they were black covered tooth to toe in a mixture of dirt, excrement, and gore.
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Ebenezer Docklehall - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 05:56:05 EST ZOEUWx6F No.57467 Reply
I believe a handful of individuals fought for Germany in the Europe theatre. I think one of which was a band musician whose life is well documented. Might be WW2 though, I don't remember well.

The studio cleared up that they want to move towards a policy of "inclusion" rather than historicity. They want to player to be themselves rather than historical role-play which is a curious excuse I don't really believe.

The Battlefield's WW2 sequel includes a one-armed female GI.

>>56776
Don't make things up when you have nothing to virtue signal about, you axe-grinding fool.

There were no race designations in WW1. African Askari were employees, not honorary anything. The Germans didn't have the manpower to defend their colonial possessions so employed sympathetic locals. There were no race restrictions on the mainland because there were virtually no resident black people.

As an aside, there is an interwar era film called "The Knights of German East Africa" set in WW1 Tanzania.

Crazy Battles, Underdog Events, Upsets General

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- Tue, 26 Apr 2016 02:06:07 EST Bmj8cTo6 No.56664
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Share cool battles or historical accounts, preferably with an intriguing or unexpected twist.

>Battle of Alesia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU1Ej9Yqt68
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Phineas Blytheway - Wed, 22 Jun 2016 20:04:59 EST 6PhWCkVP No.56761 Reply
>>56759
Well, as for the world wars;
In WWI, they lost countless young men in the trenches and nearly turned on their government. The futility of the Great Slaughter must have destroyed their will to fight.
In WWII they were totally overwhelmed by the great gamble of the armored thrust that accomplished what was impossible in the previous conflict.
The French are actually pretty high speed US army term for competent and skillful fighters, but circumstances weren't in their favor in the big 20th century conflicts.
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Oliver Fuckingshit - Tue, 19 Jul 2016 20:10:25 EST JrT3V8vw No.56786 Reply
>>56739
Aktually in 1315 chocolate had not come to Europe yet
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Martha Bunspear - Sat, 20 Aug 2016 09:23:14 EST BspiNik5 No.56815 Reply
>>56786
The Swiss were so badass they were making it anyway

The Story of the World in Pictures, 1934

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- Sat, 10 May 2014 13:18:16 EST XyVGo1SW No.52472
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Hello /his/. When I was a teenager my grandfather gave me one of his books, 'The Story of the World in Pictures', published in 1934. It's full of photographs and covers the many natural wonders and cultures of the world, while also illustrating the technological progress and arts of the time. With the intent of preserving it I photographed every single page a few years ago (I don't own a scanner, I'm afraid). I stumbled upon the pictures recently and thought you guys might be interested in them, all 303 of them.

It's an interesting little piece of history - images of native cultures and natural wonders long since lost, and some of that optimism that pervaded in the interwar period, that after the Great War we could grasp science and our natural abilities to build a better tomorrow for all mankind - anything was truly possible.
And then 5 years later we began a war that killed 60 million people and culminated in the nuclear destruction of multiple cities...so it goes.

I'm currently uploading them into 3 RARs on Mediafire, and will also post a few of them here.

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls - the Story of the World in Pictures.
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Graham Gupperfield - Mon, 01 Aug 2016 11:24:14 EST FqRGTRMQ No.56792 Reply
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>>54434
It would imply some kind of medieval genetic engineering project...

...as if some outside agency engineered Europeans to become storm troopers in their quest for global domination.

Also, I was just about to join the sharing-old-books deal because I own three reproductions of medieval "biology" books filled with wood etchings, but that's a silly idea since you can just download those books of the Goethe project or whatever that's called.
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Barnaby Tootshaw - Mon, 01 Aug 2016 17:10:29 EST im/ZMsTa No.56794 Reply
>>54434
Black Death? Seems like there would have been a massive proliferation of genes suited for survival due to half the population of Europe dying horrible deaths.
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Cornelius Mannerforth - Tue, 02 Aug 2016 02:50:43 EST FqRGTRMQ No.56795 Reply
>>56794
Diseases don't make a species stronger. They just lower the genetic diversity. The only positive thing the Black Death caused was social and economic change.

Reenacting

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- Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:24:27 EST esKrHkkm No.56578
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Any reenactors on here?

My buddy is in a 9th SS Panzer Division Hohenstaufen unit. Apparently they have a fucking Tiger. I wanna smoke meth from my vape and get drunk as shit off beer listening to German marching music (apparently war reenactors get drunk as fuck).

Not a Nazi, war reenacting is for fun not politics, I'm a Polish, gay, social democrat so I definitely have no reason for joining a Nazi unit beyond I fucking love German militaria.

So anybody else interested in or does reenactments? I'm looking to do WW2 and WW1, but I would be interested in Napoleonic shit as well.
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Edward Tootridge - Fri, 18 Mar 2016 02:12:46 EST dTrWcnnQ No.56593 Reply
>>56586
I have to ask who is this? Is that you Ge-Ge?
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Phyllis Poblingfut - Fri, 18 Mar 2016 08:37:34 EST slEOrfVs No.56594 Reply
A friend of mine grew up doing American Revolutionary War reenacting. I'm sure he still does them with his father.
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John Feckleman - Sat, 02 Jul 2016 00:10:42 EST 0mbXqywz No.56769 Reply
>>56578
Ill bump this hoping someone can tell me about any vietnam reenacting groups in southern california? I posted in b but i got a lecture from what i assume is my uncle on a computer

WYR

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- Mon, 20 Jun 2016 01:32:32 EST /tTl6uQD No.56747
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Would you guys rather be in the trenches in France/Belgium during the First World War or the Ostfront in the second?

I can't even imagine, but I suppose the trenches would be worse but that's not including Stalin/Leningrad, idk.

Et tu?
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Beatrice Shakewill - Mon, 20 Jun 2016 05:06:47 EST sGiU0mfm No.56748 Reply
Assuming I'm just enduring the conditions and I'm not going to get hurt, the East surely. Way more space, way less rot.
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Oliver Blungerlock - Mon, 20 Jun 2016 23:18:07 EST PMeC+LId No.56749 Reply
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>>56747

False Dichotomy, I would be dying of Avian Flu spread by the general mobilization.

The mobilization spread disease and killed more people than the war itself. Fucking Wilson.

Musings on the Nature of Catholicism

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- Wed, 01 Jun 2016 09:52:27 EST NPevHm2F No.56709
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If Jesus is God, why isn't God lazy?

It would explain how fucking retarded ducks look.

GET A JOB JESUS
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Doris Shakecocke - Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:19:07 EST PMeC+LId No.56728 Reply
The funny thing is local deities and cult figures sprang up all the time in antiquity and filled important social roles. People were reluctant to turn away bearded men, since it could be Zeus, and everyone wore beards so.

The gods would bless people and provide them with relics much like pop idols do today.
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Jenny Becklebury - Tue, 14 Jun 2016 09:42:15 EST slEOrfVs No.56729 Reply
Jesus is one of the best examples of the power of memetics in human human history.
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Nathaniel Hombleworth - Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:45:56 EST OcqFH6+Q No.56731 Reply
>Guy shitposts on /h/

>People reply with /h/

I fucking love you guys

what are /his/'s thoughts on the fucking new reality garbage history channel?

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- Mon, 21 Mar 2016 16:51:47 EST x7WtT6UX No.56597
File: 1458593507592.png -(1785677B / 1.70MB, 1598x980) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. what are /his/'s thoughts on the fucking new reality garbage history channel?
pic related is how I feel everytime I see it
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Hedda Bladgehood - Thu, 21 Apr 2016 16:25:29 EST EnR4mp+i No.56653 Reply
that's from that fountain of jenkum film!!!
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Doris Nanderforth - Sat, 21 May 2016 11:29:22 EST wbo9Cc1W No.56693 Reply
Honestly, I'll take Pawn Stars over stuff about aliens and ghosts. That said I have no idea what their programming looks like these days.
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Sidney Fimmlestetch - Wed, 25 May 2016 07:17:23 EST yXsWe7+S No.56699 Reply
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>>56693
I honestly didn't mind Pawn Stars too much when it was new. At the time they at least focused mainly on the historical items that got brought in to the shop and it was interesting to see what kind of weird historical shit people found in their attics or whatever and decided to try to sell for money. Being reality TV it of course quickly went to shit but at least it wasn't another show about fucking loggers or aliens.

Where Rich People Come From

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- Fri, 22 Apr 2016 19:26:24 EST NPevHm2F No.56658
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Once upon a time, there were two cities. One city had an intelligent, wise man that helped people, healed people, and ordered society nicely. Another city had an intelligent, wise man, that killed his enemies, and surrounded himself with thugs that got a share of the dead people's resources, and everyone had to work for that man.

Then the peaceful man's city got wiped out by the violent man's city. The violent man separated himself from society, and his thugs became soldiers and police and bureaucrats.

That is most human history since then.
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Hedda Berrypatch - Fri, 22 Apr 2016 23:23:16 EST 5ZhO+S72 No.56659 Reply
>That is most human history since then.

Since when, Professor Brirrychun?
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Emma Fedgestad - Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:25:51 EST 6PhWCkVP No.56660 Reply
Is this something from Sumerian times?
Care to give us details?
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Ebenezer Duffingtodge - Sun, 24 Apr 2016 04:06:24 EST WhY2x3bu No.56662 Reply
I see the violent man sent his thugs to bully this thread
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Swords brah

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- Thu, 07 Apr 2016 18:01:17 EST FyPnrQjn No.56637
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So, I want to learn about swords in all their glory. From proper technique, to how they were made and how their formation and smithing changed

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Swords-Swordsmen-Mike-Loades/dp/1848841337?ie=UTF8&colid=38E3MG7ZPKQJ0&coliid=I52PDBH4AA4RT&ref_=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl

Think I'm gonna start with this. Any other recommended reading?
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Martin Bommerbeck - Sat, 09 Apr 2016 07:31:10 EST FqRGTRMQ No.56639 Reply
Look up Schola Gladiatore on youtube, a channel on (military) history run by Matt Easton.

He's an archeologist who didn't really like digging up Roman urns on construction sites so he ended up trading antique weapons and armour. He also runs a HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts) club.

It's really good, because he's someone who actually studied history on a university, unlike most history youtube channels, he actually cites sources and books.

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