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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated April 10)
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Rebecca Dugglefield - Sat, 07 Nov 2015 14:40:49 EST ID:o6keS00K No.56263
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I was doing some thinking about the current state of the Union, and I found myself ruminating on how if Reconstruction had been followed through on more sincerely, like maybe is Lincoln hadn't gotten assassinated or at least someone more resolved than Johnson had succeeded him, maybe today we'd be closer to a less socially stratified country.
And I got to thinking, we did that after WWII with denazification (we in this case meaning the allies instead of just the US). Reconstruction lasted several years longer, but seems to have had less effective results than the Denazification efforts in post WWII Germany. Besides obvious advanced in technology like with telecommunications and weapons, what are the reasons that Germany has less admiration for it's Nazi period than the southern state have for their "lost cause."? Was is just that Nazism only lasted around a decade whereas slavery had been in the south for centuries?

Or am I wrong? As an American am I romanticizing Denazification? I know there are still neo-nazi in germany but they seem to have less of a presence than the neo-confederates in the U.S.

How about what happened in South Africa? Did Truth and Reconciliation do better or worse than both or either?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_Era
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification
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Edwin Nungerchane - Thu, 12 Nov 2015 18:15:38 EST ID:nFUrmaNy No.56291 Ignore Report Reply
>>56289

You think Germany is "fixed" ... That says enough about your grasp on reality.

Quips done and said, what's your problem? Why do you hate?
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Priscilla Bizzleham - Thu, 12 Nov 2015 21:10:39 EST ID:aZJF8f7V No.56293 Ignore Report Reply
>>56291

>thinks germany was better off under hitler

bracing for impact
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Archie Clayforth - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 00:48:54 EST ID:nFUrmaNy No.56294 Ignore Report Reply
>>56293

Now that's just misreading. Fuck hitler and his cronies. For anything they did that I may agree with, there's a million people who suffered that I'd rather hadn't. Also fuck Franko the hardest.


Sovetunio Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Hedda Ferryberk - Sat, 07 Nov 2015 22:19:10 EST ID:SbLL3rxd No.56270
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Why were Esperantists in Eastern Europe forced to hide their language during the cold war?
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Lydia Chuzzletodge - Tue, 10 Nov 2015 23:18:27 EST ID:pIYqIk9c No.56281 Ignore Report Reply
I have no idea but I would like to know. Apparently the soviet union supported it early on but from 1930 onwards they started shooting people and putting them in labor camps for advocating its use. Weird.
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Polly Gossleman - Wed, 11 Nov 2015 05:34:02 EST ID:nFUrmaNy No.56284 Ignore Report Reply
>>56270

Because it's an abomination designed to strip people from their cultures, while removing them from the powers of words. Fuck Esperanto.
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Angus Berrykure - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:15:50 EST ID:eiH1WIkz No.56297 Ignore Report Reply
Because if it's international it better also be socialist and if the party can't control it, it's bad.


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Hedda Bungersig - Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:56:23 EST ID:Dv4EQMVh No.50164
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Alexander has to be one of the most enigmatic characters in history. On one hand the sheer magnitude and glory of his accomplishments has to set him amongst the greatest and most succesful men who have ever lived, but on the other hand he was something of a cruel and vindictive megalomaniac with a murderous temper. In the west he's one of our greatest heroes, but in the east he's known as 'the two horned devil'.

How do you all feel about the great man himself?
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Phoebe Weddlebanks - Mon, 02 Nov 2015 16:43:17 EST ID:46Ivwr3B No.56245 Ignore Report Reply
>>54047

Diogenes would often masturbate in public.
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no homer - Tue, 03 Nov 2015 04:10:05 EST ID:t9ossodW No.56250 Ignore Report Reply
>>50164
As if the gay lobby didn't make up that all the greeks were gay to make their gayness seem okay.

Stone statue of alexander sucking cock or it didn't happen.
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Betsy Brookgold - Thu, 05 Nov 2015 23:40:29 EST ID:pIYqIk9c No.56258 Ignore Report Reply
okay so I bought the aleander biography by plutarch and also the fictionalized story of his relationship with bagoas called The Persian Boy

ready 4 superior form of love


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David Sodgelere - Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:16:18 EST ID:HudvzGAi No.56228
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What are the differences between Kaiser, President, Chancellor, and Fuehrer?
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Hedda Gockleten - Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:46:26 EST ID:46Ivwr3B No.56232 Ignore Report Reply
>>56231

The then reigning president had essentially established that precedent when he assumed control of a military dictatorship in WWI, and overruled the Kaiser. Thanks to some early battlefield successes, he was elected president of Weimar. He was also suffering from senility.
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David Sodgelere - Tue, 27 Oct 2015 16:12:32 EST ID:HudvzGAi No.56234 Report Reply
>>56232
Yeah I heard Hindenburg was kind of forced to do it, plus he was senile.
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Augustus Murdhood - Mon, 02 Nov 2015 08:10:35 EST ID:QhbJyx2S No.56243 Ignore Report Reply
People in this thread have no idea.

The Kaiser was the German emperor, there were other kings below him (Bavaria and Saxony) and he himself was king of Prussia. The president of the republic was more of a figurehead and the chancellor actually did like 90% of all political work. The president just had to sign off laws and reforms and had to declare the winner of elections the new chancellor (well unless 1932). Führer was just a title the nazis came up with during the 20s. When Hindenburg died in 1934 the dictatorship was already strong enough to say "Hey, now the chancellor should just take over the president's powers, too and we call him Führer".


History of Bengal Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Shitting Drannershit - Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:28:05 EST ID:qleMGbH6 No.56221
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What do you guys think of the history of Bengal? Know anything about it? Got any good reading material on it?

The region is an interesting mix of Indo-European, Austronesian, Dravidian, and Sino-tibetan racial types. It has a mix (or in modern times, a bifurcation) of Hindu and Muslim culture with a shared language although it has a ton of distinct dialects.

I personally find it fascinating. Everything from the history of early Buddhism in the area, to the introduction of Sufi Islam into the region and the development of Hinduism during the medieval period, to the British conquest and the Bengal Renaissance, to the 1947 partition and 1971 war of independence.

You learn a lot about subcontinental center-periphery relations, and the dynamics of religious spread and interaction when you read about Bengal. Plus its a highly artistic and literary culture, which is just wonderful if you an aesthete.

What do you guys think?
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Augustus Bollybury - Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:46:43 EST ID:WBy4CtY7 No.56223 Ignore Report Reply
And it's not going to exist for much longer thanks to global warming
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Jack Dugglesutch - Wed, 28 Oct 2015 11:38:58 EST ID:fkwhQn7d No.56235 Ignore Report Reply
No idea, but now I'm inspired to learn more about it! I recently looked a bit at Sri Lankan antique history. I'm going to need an actual book about it though.
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Ebenezer Handleline - Sun, 01 Nov 2015 01:26:14 EST ID:qleMGbH6 No.56241 Ignore Report Reply
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Here is a good thing about the rise of Islam in the region: http://videshisutra.com/2015/02/14/the-islamization-of-bengal/

And the book which that post referenced:

http://hudsoncress.net/hudsoncress.org/html/library/history-travel/Eaton,%20Richard%20-%20The%20Rise%20of%20Islam%20and%20the%20Bengal%20Frontier.pdf


Brass and/or Copper Effigy Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Martha Brazzletine - Mon, 26 Oct 2015 23:48:13 EST ID:HG5zdpC2 No.56229
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Hello /HIS/, It's been a very long time since I last posted on here, so please forgive me if I mess anything up...
I recently purchased two small, brass (or copper), horse-like figurines from a small estate sale. I myself have a degree in anthropology/archeology and feel as though these pieces may have historical and/or cultural significance, but do not know where to start in regards to research. Both of these figurines seem very old based upon their patina, and each features a square hole on their underside.
My question to you is this: Has anyone ever seen anything like these? Are they some type of effigy or ceremonial item? Can anyone identify the type of animal these items portray? Any help would be greatly appreciated even if they do turn out to be simply junk.
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Augustus Nicklestone - Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:20:37 EST ID:/F/VROSe No.56233 Ignore Report Reply
Cool thumbnail. 19th or 20th Century tat would be my first guess. The older they are, the less likely those fine holes are to have survived intact. It looks like lost-wax casting and the holes at the bottom may suggest production in volume. You'd want to talk to someone who knows about casting about that though.


Drug using presidents? Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Fanny Buzzhall - Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:54:50 EST ID:fZ3DK8Em No.56227
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Post quotes from (possible) drug using presidents

>Habayit Hayehudi MK Betzalel Smotrich asked Netanyahu: "Why do you even talk to (Palestinian President Mahmoud) Abbas? Why pull the world's leg?" Netanyahu responded by saying that Israel "is not talking to bin Laden or ISIS, but I will talk to whoever isn't calling for our destruction."
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.682374

BIN LADEN IS DEAD! lols


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Nell Neblinglidging - Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:15:19 EST ID:GVgszkte No.56211
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So im drunk.and was thinking about cartoons that had good songs.like famly guy or sponge bob.think about it!
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Reason: try /mtv/ buddy not /his/tory
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Colonel Furburger - Wed, 21 Oct 2015 01:58:51 EST ID:69yWv/Nb No.56213 Ignore Report Reply
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I post this on behalf of Justin Trudeau
And yes I am canadian HAHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpS4ebEtLUE


Crazy Kings and Leaders Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Walter Gallystone - Tue, 20 Jan 2015 01:43:46 EST ID:IIEMocfo No.54643
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Any instances of leaders/kings slowly going insane and losing their minds?

Cambyses was one, the Cambyses who was the son of the Cyrus that beseiged Sardis.

Basically, the guy slowly went insane and made his army continue to march against a mythical tribe of Africans in the woods while his troops converted to cannibalism due to ration shortage. Or that time that he shot an advisor's son with a bow and arrow because he disagreed with him being an alcoholic? Or how about that time that he decided to kill his own brother because he had a dream? Or when he killed his own wife because of something she said at the dinner table? Or how about that time he started burning shit in the temple of Hephaistos?

He was probably the only king who didn't give a fuck about the hellenistic gods, or any for that matter, because he was crazy.
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Ghengis Dong - Tue, 13 Oct 2015 20:31:41 EST ID:2egVTEgC No.56189 Ignore Report Reply
>>56188
>XVIII. To endeavour to speak with her fasting, and that she may tell them some matter at length, so that they may see whether her breath be sweet.
Could never come near to her fasting, but at other times have approached her visage as nigh as they conveniently could, but never felt any savour of spices, and believe her to be of a sweet savour.
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Cyril Chennerway - Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:52:59 EST ID:5ADmKFCq No.56208 Ignore Report Reply
The Ottoman Sultans had a crazy one in their line, Ibrahim the mad. Can't really recall any specific stories but modern psychoanalysts would have a field day with his diagnosis
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Cyril Chennerway - Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:15:46 EST ID:5ADmKFCq No.56209 Ignore Report Reply
>>55158

Tamerlane wasn't crazy

His campaigns were brutal as fuck yes, but he didn't exhibit any mental issues and we actually have primary sources of Timur and his court, unlike all the turco-mongol raiders before him. You could argue that he was a fanatic islamist zealot but it seems more that his hardcore muslimness was a means for him to legitimize his rule, just like when he made the dubious claim that he descended from Chingis Khan. He was a peasant nobody, he needed to legitimize his rule among the turco mongol armies and claiming to be "The Sword of Islam" and a descendant of Genghis were ways for him to do that. Not sure where you got the idea he was a crazy.


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Hamilton Goodford - Tue, 29 Sep 2015 17:27:23 EST ID:02zvB8Ms No.56153
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Hi. This was in our basement. I must have looked at it a bunch of times, but today I noticed the cross at the top and realized it had some sort of nefarious association. Sure enough, I looked it up and it is an "Iron Cross"(proper noun?). Is there some reason it was placed on top of an America flag? Was this flag a grave marker? My grandfather fought during the time of the Wars, and has since died.(all I could think of)
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Beatrice Bunwater - Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:55:30 EST ID:4u9Cq0MQ No.56192 Ignore Report Reply
>>56191

>tfw when Europe is going to belong to the Muslims anyways in a few decades
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A Wizard - Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:36:40 EST ID:/HWjT0P7 No.56197 Ignore Report Reply
>>56163

Omfg... "Ger-Man"

All of the fuckers you're talking about all Germans. The existence of various political regimes does not effect the ethnicity that is the Germanic ethic group.

But yeah, the Christians really fucked up europe.
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Phyllis Fevingtit - Sat, 17 Oct 2015 08:38:46 EST ID:VbnwhOqz No.56201 Ignore Report Reply
>>56191

You probably mean
>got their asses saved by Poles in the last moment


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Rebecca Dacklefoot - Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:49:39 EST ID:taGtMpGl No.56183
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Indentured servitude was common in the Swedish countryside (predominantly in the south) up until the 1930's and it wasn't outlawed until 1945.


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Doris Clullydale - Tue, 30 Sep 2014 02:57:12 EST ID:LQxCuB8k No.53765
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You are in medieval times, you have full command of an army of your choosing, any type of composition. What do you choose? What is your army

> Main force consists of cataphract type shock cavalry and horse archers
> Light cavalry for distraction and hit and run purposes
> Heavy spearmen to hold the line, readied for hammer and anvil
> Longbow men behind spearmen shooting down ranks
> Cavalry and archer based armies are the best
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A Wizard - Thu, 08 Oct 2015 19:18:01 EST ID:/HWjT0P7 No.56179 Ignore Report Reply
>>56174

The thing about this, is that in Philip's and Alexander's armies, there would had been a division or two of skirmishers who run about flinging a few javelins and then are used to fill the gaps when a heavier division can't keep it's footing and needs a moment to reform. Further, they had light cavalry to stop maneuvers like the one mentioned below.
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Clara Nullerdudging - Fri, 09 Oct 2015 18:35:32 EST ID:46Ivwr3B No.56180 Ignore Report Reply
>>56179

>The Romans had placed the two legions in the middle, with the allied Latin, Italian and Greek infantry on their flanks. The cavalry was placed on the wings, with the Roman right being supplemented by 22 elephants.

>The phalanx took up the center of the Macedonian line, with the elite 3,000-strong Guard formed to the left of the phalanx. Lighter peltasts, mercenaries and Thracian infantry guarded the two flanks of the phalanx, while the Macedonian cavalry was also most probably arrayed on both flanks. The stronger contingent was on the Macedonian right, where Perseus commanded the heavy cavalry (including his elite Sacred Squadron), and the Thracian Odrysian cavalry were deployed. However, other sources state that the cavalry did not participate in the fight, as there was a strike against Perseus by the nobles.

They had literally every element they needed, but the nobles took a dive.
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A Wizard - Sat, 10 Oct 2015 03:53:15 EST ID:/HWjT0P7 No.56181 Ignore Report Reply
>>56180

Hmm, well, the Macedonians were known for talking shit to the Thracians, and the Thracians well known for saying "Fuck you, we quit. Let's go raid the neighbors."

But here's the reason they lost. They sent their main force in first, against a legionary army. You don't do that, and they should had known better.


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John Feffinglod - Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:56:03 EST ID:6nKr2p8x No.54044
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The concepts of MAD and proxy wars obsess me. Let's have a thread focusing on cold war era geopolitics, and also have a look at the culture of the time and different points of view that each country had.

Kissinger critiquing the concept of total war and calling for americans to focus on conventional warfare:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SJikzUwwOY
The build up to the cold war with an empathsis on the British point of view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SJikzUwwOY
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Molly Shakeford - Tue, 22 Sep 2015 17:43:05 EST ID:K//zrI33 No.56142 Ignore Report Reply
You want to explore proxy wars and MAD all you have to do is look to the situation in the middle East that has been manipulated by the Americans, the Saudi Arabians and the Israelis
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Edward Socklenick - Tue, 22 Sep 2015 22:45:25 EST ID:yNa7lnyO No.56143 Ignore Report Reply
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>>56142
Don't forget to include the Indian peninsula into that mix, to help put it into an even bigger and thus better yours versus ours MAD players, like India, Pakistan, and one day even Sril Lanka. Such mad MAD policies all around the globe is amazingly mad.
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Fanny Worthingstock - Wed, 23 Sep 2015 01:30:02 EST ID:1qEdrkTE No.56145 Ignore Report Reply
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Just read "A Failed Empire: The Soviet Union in the Cold War from Stalin to Gorbachev" by Vladislav Zubok, which covers Soviet foreign policy and political history excellently. Zubok, as far as I know, coined a term for the near-constant premise of Soviet foreign policy called "Revolutionary-Imperialist paradigm", which assumed the imminent collapse of the liberal capitalist order and that armed with Marx's "scientific theory", Soviet diplomats and statesman were superior to their Western counterparts.

I'm interested what everyone's perspective is on Mikael Gorbachev? I had always looked up to Gorbachev as a peacemaker and liberal idealist, but wowza did this book convincingly paint his tenure as characterized by chaos and naivety! After the mid-80's he wouldn't use force in practically any circumstance, whether to quell protests or defeat rebels or just bulwark the state (the only pacifistic world leader perhaps in world history). He also winged almost all of his domestic and foreign policy, often resulting in failure or decentralization due to inadequate planning.

Also, Raymond Garthoff's tomes on the Cold War from Nixon to Reagan are phenomenal, probably some of the most incisive and even-handed Cold War histories ever written.

>>55913
Zubok's book corroborates that Mao's puritanism and ideological radicalism were a constant thorn on the side of the Soviet foreign policy. He suggested that Mao's China resented heavily the Soviets' international stature and how they dominated the communist world, so they'd constantly undermine (relative) Soviet pragmatism.


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pinochet - Fri, 18 Sep 2015 20:56:23 EST ID:QRpA4hY7 No.56134
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Well since this os Pol .im asking what exactly pinochet did? I KNOW some things,but my cousin said that he did nothing wrong...anyway feom a neutral opinion,what exactly he did,bad or good.I know chile its one of The most expensives places to live...so lets go
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Buck Strickland - Sun, 20 Sep 2015 17:38:02 EST ID:OE1PGRtd No.56138 Ignore Report Reply
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>>56134
Pinochet assumed power in Chile following a United States-backed coup d'état on 11 September 1973 that overthrew the elected socialist Unidad Popular government of President Salvador Allende and ended civilian rule. Several academics have stated that the support of the United States was crucial to the coup and the consolidation of power afterward.

From its beginning, the new military government implemented harsh measures against its perceived opponents.[8] Various reports and investigations claim that between 1,200 and 3,200 people were killed, up to 80,000 people were interned and as many as 30,000 were tortured during the time Pinochet was in government.[9][10][11] As of 2011, the official number of deaths and forced disappearances stands at 3,065.

Under the influence of the free market-oriented neoliberal "Chicago Boys", the military government implemented economic reforms, including currency stabilization, tariff cutting, opening Chile's markets to global trade, restricting labor unions, privatizing social security, and the privatization of hundreds of state-controlled industries. These policies produced what has been referred to as the "Miracle of Chile," but critics state that the government policies dramatically increased economic inequality.[13] Chile was, for most of the 1990s, the best-performing economy in Latin America, though academics continue to dispute the legacy of Pinochet's reforms


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