How reliable is historiography? View Thread Reply Hide S\Gh0st\ - Wed, 18 Jan 2017 15:17:53 EST ywx7469d No.57044 File: 1484770673970.png -(749525B / 731.96KB, 2268x2273) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Sometimes I get a little paranoid about this. Do all historians have evidences about they're afirmatives? 4 posts omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Basil Bingerforth - Wed, 22 Feb 2017 18:42:38 EST 4Js4gPGR No.57071 Reply >>57070You ended your question with a period. >> Rebecca Crockleford - Wed, 22 Feb 2017 19:23:07 EST FvOh3MvL No.57072 Reply >>57071It was a rhetorical statement? >> William Grimman - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 02:50:00 EST 4Js4gPGR No.57106 Reply >>57105I was just fucking with himI don't even know what histiography is.
>> Basil Bingerforth - Wed, 22 Feb 2017 18:42:38 EST 4Js4gPGR No.57071 Reply >>57070You ended your question with a period.
>> Rebecca Crockleford - Wed, 22 Feb 2017 19:23:07 EST FvOh3MvL No.57072 Reply >>57071It was a rhetorical statement?
>> William Grimman - Fri, 24 Feb 2017 02:50:00 EST 4Js4gPGR No.57106 Reply >>57105I was just fucking with himI don't even know what histiography is.
Periods which need more exposure? View Thread Reply Hide Thomas Gunningshit - Mon, 07 Nov 2016 10:53:53 EST mHFutvZ2 No.56963 File: 1478534033490.jpg -(310236B / 302.96KB, 1405x1500) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Medieval Byzantium certainly doesn't get enough credit>stole silk from China>greek fire>essentially bought the huns off as permanent mercenariesWhat periods do you think need more exposure? What times do you think its important for the average person to know more about?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaZK-WqZMB8 9 posts and 1 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Phyllis Brunkinham - Sun, 25 Dec 2016 17:30:22 EST ZG4s1pP5 No.57031 Reply >>57009I've been to the horn of africa and it's an utter shithole. Nothing of value >> zxz - Wed, 11 Jan 2017 21:07:05 EST hJDXnZvF No.57039 Reply ancient colombia and mexicoall the old world shit is greeeat and all, but people in central and southern mexico and colombia were doing mushrooms and dmt for thousands of years. no one gives a fuck though thats the part thats so mind numbing to me.art is cute and all but what can you actually experience and take hold of or apply from these other places. theres very little that you can turn in to your own experience. >> Hamilton Brugglebury - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 22:48:56 EST pjKBi0qU No.57040 Reply >>57039>no one gives a fuck though thats the part thats so mind numbing to me.Because that culture was so thoroughly raped, there's so few people around who truly know and very, very scarce records. This was deliberate. Destroy all knowledge of these peoples because it was inferior to the glorious might of Spanish Catholicism. I had this super hippy dippy sociology professor in college. He told us this story about how he was doing research in South America (he did his dissertation on Liberation Theology) and he rode up to a group of very rural people on a horse with his companions. And they had never seen a white man before, and so appears this man with long hair and pale skin and they think it's Jesus Christ himself. Pretty whacky stuff. But yeah, the reach of the Spanish Empire was long my friend. But beyond the Drugs dude. Like in Peru, the Incans were literally the Roman Empire with a massive sprawling connected empire of roads and cities (i think it was more complicated politically). So they got fucked cause they got there late. This was like, an ongoing process in the 1500s. It's not like Ancient Egypt where these ruins have been
>> Phyllis Brunkinham - Sun, 25 Dec 2016 17:30:22 EST ZG4s1pP5 No.57031 Reply >>57009I've been to the horn of africa and it's an utter shithole. Nothing of value
>> zxz - Wed, 11 Jan 2017 21:07:05 EST hJDXnZvF No.57039 Reply ancient colombia and mexicoall the old world shit is greeeat and all, but people in central and southern mexico and colombia were doing mushrooms and dmt for thousands of years. no one gives a fuck though thats the part thats so mind numbing to me.art is cute and all but what can you actually experience and take hold of or apply from these other places. theres very little that you can turn in to your own experience.
>> Hamilton Brugglebury - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 22:48:56 EST pjKBi0qU No.57040 Reply >>57039>no one gives a fuck though thats the part thats so mind numbing to me.Because that culture was so thoroughly raped, there's so few people around who truly know and very, very scarce records. This was deliberate. Destroy all knowledge of these peoples because it was inferior to the glorious might of Spanish Catholicism. I had this super hippy dippy sociology professor in college. He told us this story about how he was doing research in South America (he did his dissertation on Liberation Theology) and he rode up to a group of very rural people on a horse with his companions. And they had never seen a white man before, and so appears this man with long hair and pale skin and they think it's Jesus Christ himself. Pretty whacky stuff. But yeah, the reach of the Spanish Empire was long my friend. But beyond the Drugs dude. Like in Peru, the Incans were literally the Roman Empire with a massive sprawling connected empire of roads and cities (i think it was more complicated politically). So they got fucked cause they got there late. This was like, an ongoing process in the 1500s. It's not like Ancient Egypt where these ruins have been
I Sincerely Believe... View Thread Reply Hide Ernest Binninghotch - Sat, 10 Dec 2016 19:05:48 EST gG9f1duV No.57013 File: 1481414748250.png -(1546015B / 1.47MB, 992x1402) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. It seems that throughout history, there have been more mass rapes, sexual slavery and forced breeding done to white people by Muslims than the other way around.Others say that this is not true, but they only say this because they do not have the emotional strength to admit it. But you might know. So if you can, please prove me wrong. 8 posts and 1 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Isabella Bammerfetch - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 06:12:13 EST nLTvpZ14 No.57025 Reply >>57020>No such thing happened the other way around; in fact, there is no evidence that Crusaders raped women en masse.Hahahahahaah, are you retarded? >> Alice Chorrylark - Fri, 16 Dec 2016 06:23:13 EST UpNsw6rc No.57027 Reply 1481887393588.png -(136040B / 132.85KB, 896x571) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>57013your question should be on yahooignored nb >> Ian Blubbleman - Sun, 18 Dec 2016 07:35:16 EST pACIDeoi No.57028 Reply Even IF what you're saying were true (which I don't think it is), let's make out a big of atrocities Christians have done Colonized the just about the entire fucking worldKilled hundreds of millions (over a billion maybe?) through enslavement, ethnic genocide, famine, warDe-industrialized and intentionally underdeveloped nations all over the globeSupplanted countless local cultures, forced capitalism upon everyone, tried to force Christianity on everyoneIs more or less the reason why the world today is in such a dire, perilous shitty state I could go on. Equally, I could make a big long list of the positive contributions to humanity that the West has done, and I could make a similar list about both aspects for Muslims. The point is that you can't make sweeping generalizations with no context or facts and expect it to hold up as an argument or people to actually take you seriously. I don't even know why I'm trying, there's pretty much nothing anyone will say that will make you change your mind. You might act like you're willing to "discuss" but in actual fact you're just an uneducated tool.
>> Isabella Bammerfetch - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 06:12:13 EST nLTvpZ14 No.57025 Reply >>57020>No such thing happened the other way around; in fact, there is no evidence that Crusaders raped women en masse.Hahahahahaah, are you retarded?
>> Alice Chorrylark - Fri, 16 Dec 2016 06:23:13 EST UpNsw6rc No.57027 Reply 1481887393588.png -(136040B / 132.85KB, 896x571) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>57013your question should be on yahooignored nb
>> Ian Blubbleman - Sun, 18 Dec 2016 07:35:16 EST pACIDeoi No.57028 Reply Even IF what you're saying were true (which I don't think it is), let's make out a big of atrocities Christians have done Colonized the just about the entire fucking worldKilled hundreds of millions (over a billion maybe?) through enslavement, ethnic genocide, famine, warDe-industrialized and intentionally underdeveloped nations all over the globeSupplanted countless local cultures, forced capitalism upon everyone, tried to force Christianity on everyoneIs more or less the reason why the world today is in such a dire, perilous shitty state I could go on. Equally, I could make a big long list of the positive contributions to humanity that the West has done, and I could make a similar list about both aspects for Muslims. The point is that you can't make sweeping generalizations with no context or facts and expect it to hold up as an argument or people to actually take you seriously. I don't even know why I'm trying, there's pretty much nothing anyone will say that will make you change your mind. You might act like you're willing to "discuss" but in actual fact you're just an uneducated tool.
Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf View Thread Reply Hide The Boat - Mon, 28 Nov 2016 15:03:29 EST SqGhCnYX No.56996 File: 1480363409599.jpg -(1164568B / 1.11MB, 2594x3306) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. I just watched over this weekend all of "the Great War"s week by week one hundred years ago in the First World War youtube videos, and I must recommend them because of the high documentary level quality and the details of how each week of the War unfolded.https://m.youtube.com/user/TheGreatWarOne of the most interesting people from the war that even I didn't know much about was the Austrian Cheif of the general staff Franz Conrad von HötzendorfSpecifically his consistan overestimation of the Austrian-Hungarian ability to wage war. I suppose he wasn't that different in that respect from the likes of Italian General Luigi Cadorna. But Hotenzndorf really couldn't see that economical the Hapsburg Empire was incapable of supplying and supporting a modern army.Does anyone have more info or books about him to recommend? Especially if they have to do with operational planning and the logistics of the Austro-Hungarian war effort? >> Edwin Foggleford - Tue, 29 Nov 2016 02:00:57 EST GBTnxtdM No.56997 Reply Oh yeah, total buffoon. It's interesting when you begin to see Indy get genuinely frustrated by him at one point. Does he not launch like, a fourth assault into the carpathians in winter or some shit? It's terrifying how clueless nobles were able to get themselves into such influential positions back in the day. That applies to all WW1 armies but the A-H specifically. >> The Boat - Tue, 29 Nov 2016 03:30:16 EST SqGhCnYX No.56998 Reply 1480408216456.jpg -(83727B / 81.76KB, 480x462) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>56997Three attacks into the carpathians in winter with cardboard boots and summer uniforms, to rescue the garrison of 100,000 at the fortress of premesyl they lost in those attacks 800,000 men... this was modern war <gravity laden pause>.Yeah isn't this show great? He seems to get frustrated with herzedorf and Cadorna the most.
>> Edwin Foggleford - Tue, 29 Nov 2016 02:00:57 EST GBTnxtdM No.56997 Reply Oh yeah, total buffoon. It's interesting when you begin to see Indy get genuinely frustrated by him at one point. Does he not launch like, a fourth assault into the carpathians in winter or some shit? It's terrifying how clueless nobles were able to get themselves into such influential positions back in the day. That applies to all WW1 armies but the A-H specifically.
>> The Boat - Tue, 29 Nov 2016 03:30:16 EST SqGhCnYX No.56998 Reply 1480408216456.jpg -(83727B / 81.76KB, 480x462) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>56997Three attacks into the carpathians in winter with cardboard boots and summer uniforms, to rescue the garrison of 100,000 at the fortress of premesyl they lost in those attacks 800,000 men... this was modern war <gravity laden pause>.Yeah isn't this show great? He seems to get frustrated with herzedorf and Cadorna the most.
Related to Veterans/Heroes? View Thread Reply Hide Pentagon - Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:23:37 EST j8QhAWnX No.56735 File: 1466195017412.jpg -(94924B / 92.70KB, 560x350) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. I'm new to / his /. I was wandering if anyone here is related to any military veterans, or someone who died a hero, and what their story is.My grandfather was a Staff Sergeant in F Company, 22 Infantry Regiment, 4th Infantry Division in WWII.He went in on Utah Beach on D-Day. Fought in 4 campaigns; Normandy, Rhineland, Hurtgen Forest, Battle of the Bulge, and Central Germany. He received 3 purple hearts, and Bronze Star for bravery in his unit taking the city Luxembourg. The 22nd IR received two Presidential Distinguished Unit Citations. He was the leader of the VFW in my hometown until his passing in 2007. Like any good American, I hold high regard and respect for all of those who have served, and would like to hear some other stories.Ric Flair unrelated but pretty American tbh. 35 posts and 13 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Molly Dunninghore - Mon, 14 Nov 2016 02:01:21 EST k5UrPwXz No.56972 Reply >>56971I know, the only thing he was right about... >> Molly Dunninghore - Mon, 14 Nov 2016 02:02:09 EST k5UrPwXz No.56973 Reply >>56971I know; the only thing he was right about. >> Albert Clayford - Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:49:49 EST FqRGTRMQ No.56974 Reply >>56972>>56973I like it too, it wasn't great - but good enough to be enjoyable, and it has sights that are just... wow. Unique.But an old man digging a weird scifi film like that... that's pretty cool.
>> Molly Dunninghore - Mon, 14 Nov 2016 02:01:21 EST k5UrPwXz No.56972 Reply >>56971I know, the only thing he was right about...
>> Molly Dunninghore - Mon, 14 Nov 2016 02:02:09 EST k5UrPwXz No.56973 Reply >>56971I know; the only thing he was right about.
>> Albert Clayford - Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:49:49 EST FqRGTRMQ No.56974 Reply >>56972>>56973I like it too, it wasn't great - but good enough to be enjoyable, and it has sights that are just... wow. Unique.But an old man digging a weird scifi film like that... that's pretty cool.
The men who fuck goats View Thread Reply Hide The Boat - Wed, 26 Oct 2016 11:11:43 EST EUhXVZGQ No.56945 File: 1477494703510.jpg -(414946B / 405.22KB, 960x1440) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. So like psychic powers are bullshit, but are reverse psychology powers real?>like did the Air Force do this in the 50's? Or was that movie complete horse shite?Like what if man?My theory is that we did look into that kind of shit in the Cold War because we looked into everything. 4 posts and 1 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Cyril Bablingfedging - Fri, 28 Oct 2016 13:41:55 EST JW5iN93X No.56950 Reply there are certain genetic dispositions which allow for the factor to be true in qualities observed which at the normal circumstance of what is currently known does not rectify its posibility , which is cool , but remains as it is , its wildly imaginative up until you actually put together ways of application >> Edwin Worthingwell - Sat, 29 Oct 2016 08:13:47 EST lW/tbAqQ No.56951 Reply >>56949The mind control stuff was taken over from the Germans after WWII. They'd drug people with mescaline, put them into a really uncomfortable room and the interogator would say things like "This is really bad, they know you know and if you don't tell us we're all in deep trouble" while pretending to freak out himself. The Americans just switched to LSD and tried to fry their test subjects' brains even harder. >> Frederick Clendlepin - Sun, 30 Oct 2016 21:29:18 EST drL7sWsr No.56952 Reply >>56950nj?
>> Cyril Bablingfedging - Fri, 28 Oct 2016 13:41:55 EST JW5iN93X No.56950 Reply there are certain genetic dispositions which allow for the factor to be true in qualities observed which at the normal circumstance of what is currently known does not rectify its posibility , which is cool , but remains as it is , its wildly imaginative up until you actually put together ways of application
>> Edwin Worthingwell - Sat, 29 Oct 2016 08:13:47 EST lW/tbAqQ No.56951 Reply >>56949The mind control stuff was taken over from the Germans after WWII. They'd drug people with mescaline, put them into a really uncomfortable room and the interogator would say things like "This is really bad, they know you know and if you don't tell us we're all in deep trouble" while pretending to freak out himself. The Americans just switched to LSD and tried to fry their test subjects' brains even harder.
/int/craft - imageboard community minecraft server View Thread Reply Hide Esther Barddock - Sat, 08 Oct 2016 09:10:13 EST 1o6WsWXm No.56929 File: 1475932213058.jpg -(944249B / 922.12KB, 3696x1926) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. IP Address: intcraft.onlineServer Version: 1.8.8 (any client from 1.8, 1.9 or 1.10 can join the server.)Chien's World Map cropped to EurasiaTowny, Brewery, meme recipes, cat planet and more..RP and General RulesContrary to previous iterations we will now state the actual rules for the server in a clear way, pre-launch. In theory, as always, there is only one rule: Don’t be a shitter. If you follow this set of rules, you are thereby not a shitter and you are in theory allowed to do what you want on Intcraft, and it will be up to the server population and community to put an end to their own disputes.Towny War Flag will only be enabled from Friday-Sunday, from Monday-Thursday it will be disabled. PvP will always be enabled.First 24 hours after launch will have War Flag disabledRoleplayBuilding a town/nation must be historically accurate for that location given the current time (300bc-300ad)Buildings do not have to be 100% accurate, variations are allowed. But no memes. Towns do not have to be exactly in the same geographical location as they were, but it should be in the same general area. If you only want to pvp, find a pvp serverIf you only want to buildfag, join a nation or get gud. Nations can spread through conquest or diplomacy, but no Atlantic Federation tier memes.Towns must be in a nation (within 24 hours of its creation)General RulesNo spamNo hackingNo advertisingNo betrayingNo alt accountsNo advertising /int/craft to unapproved boards/sitesNo talking about AnimeModerators and Janitors will strictly enforce these clear rules only, if you arent breaking any rules there will be no punishment.Neither Moderators or Janitors will recieve creative mode, or anything of the sort that would have much potential of game breaking abuse. They strictly exist to enforce the current set rules to some degree until an admin is available >> Archie Chebbleville - Sun, 09 Oct 2016 20:43:40 EST 4RNy1lDa No.56936 Reply I'm in, you should post this in VG too >> Jenny Buckleded - Wed, 19 Oct 2016 23:09:03 EST 4zlanzOr No.56942 Reply Could you explain what this game is?
>> Archie Chebbleville - Sun, 09 Oct 2016 20:43:40 EST 4RNy1lDa No.56936 Reply I'm in, you should post this in VG too
>> Jenny Buckleded - Wed, 19 Oct 2016 23:09:03 EST 4zlanzOr No.56942 Reply Could you explain what this game is?
Venus figurines View Thread Reply Hide Jarvis Blellymat - Mon, 15 Aug 2016 14:21:00 EST FqRGTRMQ No.56810 File: 1471285260548.jpg -(167014B / 163.10KB, 800x1270) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Is there anyone here knowledgable about those things?Someone recently mentioned an interesting thought to me, that Venus figurines are in fact NOT all of very "rotund" women as popularized by the Venus of Willendorf, and that the idea that prehistoric people liked their women "t h i c c" is just a modern presupposition based on incomplete evidence.Can anyone corroborate this? 14 posts omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Caroline Claffingworth - Thu, 06 Oct 2016 16:30:03 EST dl+0XG2p No.56921 Reply >>56810personally I think all the stuff about these being goddesses is bullshit. My occam's razor answer is that these were made by men to impress women and get them to mate with them.before language, making these would have been a way to demonstrate dexterity, intelligence, and ability to plan ahead and take care of things. it immediately shows you are a desirable mate, men who were intelligent but not strong probably made these to have a chance to pass on their genesthink about it >> Graham Blathercocke - Fri, 07 Oct 2016 18:20:48 EST FqRGTRMQ No.56924 Reply >>56921You might have a point there. Just not a point you mentioned.A guy who can spend time carving some statue, clearly has enough resources to do basically nothing for a day except carve some silly statue. >> Caroline Blackridge - Sat, 08 Oct 2016 14:09:58 EST Yt0MTGo3 No.56930 Reply >>56921Part of the problem also is that Westerners have a tendency to see any religious figure as necessarily being a "god". It's quite possible that the individuals who made such statues had religious purposes for them, but to say that the figure is meant to represent a "god" may be a case of projecting. We have a bad habit of assuming primitive or non-Western societies have the same understandings of what constitutes a "god" as us or even have a clear cut word for "god". If some other still existing animist religions (such as Shintoism) are any indication, the line between what would constitute a "god" and just a "spirit" can be blurry. And in places like Papua New Guinea, some of the tribes that convert to Christianity, still manage to keep many of their animistic traditions. Same goes with African animism or Yoruba, where there are plenty of African Christians and Muslims who simply re-interpret the Yoruba cosmology through a new religious lens. Likewise, Voodoo's mixture with Catholicism in the Americas where various saints are seen as embodiments of voodoo spirits reveals a similar dynamic element to animistic traditions. If the conceptions of "gods" were hard set and strictly defined in animistic traditions as they are say in the Greco-Roman pagan tradition, this kind of adaptability wouldn't be possible. In Japan, for instance, there has been at times a bit of difficulty in translating the term "kami" into English, which can be rendered as either "god" or just "spirit", depending on which is the preferred translation, the term "kami" as used in Japanese folklore and Shinto religious manuals can take a whole new meaning. If translated directly as "god", Shinto religion comes across as thoroughly polytheistic as any ancient Greek or Roman faith, but when translated as merely spirit, the cosmology of Shintoism seems much more capable of conforming to the theology of monotheistic traditions as well as polytheistic ones. It's possible that if you talked to the people who made these "Venus" statues, they may have equally responded in the affirmative equally to "so this is a god, right?" as well as "so this is just a spirit, not a 'god' per se, right?" So that's why sometimes I'm skeptical of calling any ancient artifact of a possibly religious character without some kind of written evidence a representation of a "god." At least that's my take.
>> Caroline Claffingworth - Thu, 06 Oct 2016 16:30:03 EST dl+0XG2p No.56921 Reply >>56810personally I think all the stuff about these being goddesses is bullshit. My occam's razor answer is that these were made by men to impress women and get them to mate with them.before language, making these would have been a way to demonstrate dexterity, intelligence, and ability to plan ahead and take care of things. it immediately shows you are a desirable mate, men who were intelligent but not strong probably made these to have a chance to pass on their genesthink about it
>> Graham Blathercocke - Fri, 07 Oct 2016 18:20:48 EST FqRGTRMQ No.56924 Reply >>56921You might have a point there. Just not a point you mentioned.A guy who can spend time carving some statue, clearly has enough resources to do basically nothing for a day except carve some silly statue.
>> Caroline Blackridge - Sat, 08 Oct 2016 14:09:58 EST Yt0MTGo3 No.56930 Reply >>56921Part of the problem also is that Westerners have a tendency to see any religious figure as necessarily being a "god". It's quite possible that the individuals who made such statues had religious purposes for them, but to say that the figure is meant to represent a "god" may be a case of projecting. We have a bad habit of assuming primitive or non-Western societies have the same understandings of what constitutes a "god" as us or even have a clear cut word for "god". If some other still existing animist religions (such as Shintoism) are any indication, the line between what would constitute a "god" and just a "spirit" can be blurry. And in places like Papua New Guinea, some of the tribes that convert to Christianity, still manage to keep many of their animistic traditions. Same goes with African animism or Yoruba, where there are plenty of African Christians and Muslims who simply re-interpret the Yoruba cosmology through a new religious lens. Likewise, Voodoo's mixture with Catholicism in the Americas where various saints are seen as embodiments of voodoo spirits reveals a similar dynamic element to animistic traditions. If the conceptions of "gods" were hard set and strictly defined in animistic traditions as they are say in the Greco-Roman pagan tradition, this kind of adaptability wouldn't be possible. In Japan, for instance, there has been at times a bit of difficulty in translating the term "kami" into English, which can be rendered as either "god" or just "spirit", depending on which is the preferred translation, the term "kami" as used in Japanese folklore and Shinto religious manuals can take a whole new meaning. If translated directly as "god", Shinto religion comes across as thoroughly polytheistic as any ancient Greek or Roman faith, but when translated as merely spirit, the cosmology of Shintoism seems much more capable of conforming to the theology of monotheistic traditions as well as polytheistic ones. It's possible that if you talked to the people who made these "Venus" statues, they may have equally responded in the affirmative equally to "so this is a god, right?" as well as "so this is just a spirit, not a 'god' per se, right?" So that's why sometimes I'm skeptical of calling any ancient artifact of a possibly religious character without some kind of written evidence a representation of a "god." At least that's my take.
is history the future? View Thread Reply Hide Shaman !MbOrDArdlI - Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:23:18 EST R/09CF0k No.56667 File: 1461712998841.jpg -(17908B / 17.49KB, 400x300) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. I've been listen to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History series about WWI and its been making me think a bit about human nature. He talks about the learning curve that the military leadership climbed, killing millions senselessly in the process. They were all so certain of thing that anyone today would say are obviously wrong.So how different are we? Take the US election as an example. The news says X will win because Y, and Z will happen blah blah blah.But why are they so sure? Through the study of history, how much more do we know now about... idk causality, then the generals in WWI? If you look at the entirety of human history, its obvious things happen for a reason, and humans try to take advantage of that, but does it ever actually work? It all just seems like anarchy to me. Big things happening that occur because a gabizzilon tiny incidents that seem so obvious in hindsight while simultaneously being inconceivable before hand. Can people as a species study enough history to overcome this? To do what people since forever have dreamed of doing and be able to use history to accurately predict the future? I think... maybe... but in the mean time, what the point of being certain of anything? If history tells us anything, it's that anything can happen at anytime for reasons that are very complex.Take everyone on /pol/ with their thoughts about this and that. What do they know, what do any of us know. We are all just generals from WWI saying "If you just give me another 100,000 men, I can take their trenches in a mad rush"IDK if this is the right board, but thought you might appreciate the traffic 43 posts and 11 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Emma Bodgeham - Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:09:15 EST 3Ays09so No.56884 Reply >>56872Funny you mention it, when I was in basic my company commander did a little speech on how we were supposed to live up to knightly virtues innasandbox during a lecture on the laws of war.That, and I remember reading somewhere years ago that some people were upset we were ditching conscript armies because it meant we might return to medieval-style warrior families, with nobody else really having a clue how to fight. Looking at the fact that military families are a thing, they might be right. >> Shitting Necklechidge - Fri, 23 Sep 2016 23:00:01 EST FBZRkRuk No.56894 Reply >>56848http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8016685.stmHuh. The article says they charged, but then kinda meanders off. Did nobody actually get impaled? Also found this surprising:>They had to charge across open ground and in the trenches they fought for five hours in one of the most intense battles since the Falklands. >> Cyril Sundlewater - Sat, 24 Sep 2016 09:35:53 EST FqRGTRMQ No.56896 Reply >>56894If I had to guess, all the insurgents routed as soon as those Scots with mounted bayonets started charging.
>> Emma Bodgeham - Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:09:15 EST 3Ays09so No.56884 Reply >>56872Funny you mention it, when I was in basic my company commander did a little speech on how we were supposed to live up to knightly virtues innasandbox during a lecture on the laws of war.That, and I remember reading somewhere years ago that some people were upset we were ditching conscript armies because it meant we might return to medieval-style warrior families, with nobody else really having a clue how to fight. Looking at the fact that military families are a thing, they might be right.
>> Shitting Necklechidge - Fri, 23 Sep 2016 23:00:01 EST FBZRkRuk No.56894 Reply >>56848http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8016685.stmHuh. The article says they charged, but then kinda meanders off. Did nobody actually get impaled? Also found this surprising:>They had to charge across open ground and in the trenches they fought for five hours in one of the most intense battles since the Falklands.
>> Cyril Sundlewater - Sat, 24 Sep 2016 09:35:53 EST FqRGTRMQ No.56896 Reply >>56894If I had to guess, all the insurgents routed as soon as those Scots with mounted bayonets started charging.
Operations in the area around Kharkov View Thread Reply Hide Nicholas Pockfoot - Wed, 04 Nov 2015 18:07:07 EST zVA/5kJs No.56252 File: 1446678427426.jpg -(57910B / 56.55KB, 500x341) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Post any new or really detailed info you might haveor lets just talk about how interesting the tactical and strategic situation changes as the front was in fluxPost your Kharkov! 1 posts omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Charlotte Crezzleshit - Sun, 22 Nov 2015 13:33:46 EST TOCAOikB No.56321 Reply 1448217226258.gif -(3515657B / 3.35MB, 220x124) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>56252 >> Sidney Drankinshaw - Sun, 18 Sep 2016 09:00:33 EST iISJgCeB No.56873 Reply 1474203633003.jpg -(83354B / 81.40KB, 528x750) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>56252same street? >> Polly Nellydick - Sun, 18 Sep 2016 16:23:59 EST sjoYHHwl No.56874 Reply >>56873What? One is cobble stone, the other is pavement with street car tracks.
>> Charlotte Crezzleshit - Sun, 22 Nov 2015 13:33:46 EST TOCAOikB No.56321 Reply 1448217226258.gif -(3515657B / 3.35MB, 220x124) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>56252
>> Sidney Drankinshaw - Sun, 18 Sep 2016 09:00:33 EST iISJgCeB No.56873 Reply 1474203633003.jpg -(83354B / 81.40KB, 528x750) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>56252same street?
>> Polly Nellydick - Sun, 18 Sep 2016 16:23:59 EST sjoYHHwl No.56874 Reply >>56873What? One is cobble stone, the other is pavement with street car tracks.
Books on Persia View Thread Reply Hide Rebecca Crackleson - Tue, 02 Aug 2016 08:21:39 EST vClVXRJl No.56796 File: 1470140499674.jpg -(412399B / 402.73KB, 1000x500) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Ancient, medieval or early modern (up to 1800sish). Ancient and medieval much preferred.I've read Persian Fire. More like it would be nice. Nothing overly academic. I like academic writing but not when it bores you to fucking tears. A nice balance between popular history and scholarly work a la Norman Davies would be nice. Any suggestions? 7 posts and 1 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Cyril Doblingdale - Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:10:26 EST Yt0MTGo3 No.56861 Reply >>56799>ending with the apocalyptic coming of the army of darkness (a thinly veiled reference to Islam). *reference to ArabsFerdowsi was in all likelihood a Shi'a Muslim with some rather syncretic tendencies.At least for many traditional Iranian Shi'a, there's not a whole lot of conflict between being Muslim and seeing the conquest of Persia by the Muslims as a great tragedy or an unjust war on the part of the Arabs, as the conquests were led by the caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab and later the Omayyad dynasty starting with the third caliph, Uthman. All these figures are regarded as heretics by the Shi'a faith and at least the Omayyads came to be regarded even by the Sunni orthodoxy as having deviated, with many early Muslim rebellions against them being led by Persian converts, including many who would eventually support the Abbassid coup. The Shahnameh was read by both Sunni and Shi'a but was held especially dear by Shi'a in Iran for many reasons, including religious ones as it basically became sort of part of the Iranian Shi'a canon with the stories of the pre-Islamic Persian kings recited along with the sayings and deeds of the great Shi'a Muslim saints.Ferdowsi likely saw his work as a way of preserving Iranian heritage against Arab cultural and political domination and also saw it as a service to his own individual approach to the Shi'a faith, which was one which mixed itself freely with many of the pre-Islamic Zoroastrian traditions. >> Eliza Fibbernat - Wed, 14 Sep 2016 20:53:25 EST Yt0MTGo3 No.56864 Reply 1473900805614.jpg -(70717B / 69.06KB, 265x400) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>56804Pic related should be your first book. It covers both Pre-Islamic and Islamic Persia in some detail and is generally free of bias. >> Eliza Fibbernat - Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:11:50 EST Yt0MTGo3 No.56865 Reply 1473901910614.gif -(88512B / 86.44KB, 300x454) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>56804>>56864This book might also be fun for the 420ch crowd in particular. It covers the dynamics and religious politics of the use of alcohol and tobacco as well as drugs like hashish & opium in the context of later Iranian empire during the Shi'a period. It covers some early uses of substances during the pre-Islamic era and Sunni period but mostly focuses on the Shi'i Safavid and Qajar dynasties.
>> Cyril Doblingdale - Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:10:26 EST Yt0MTGo3 No.56861 Reply >>56799>ending with the apocalyptic coming of the army of darkness (a thinly veiled reference to Islam). *reference to ArabsFerdowsi was in all likelihood a Shi'a Muslim with some rather syncretic tendencies.At least for many traditional Iranian Shi'a, there's not a whole lot of conflict between being Muslim and seeing the conquest of Persia by the Muslims as a great tragedy or an unjust war on the part of the Arabs, as the conquests were led by the caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab and later the Omayyad dynasty starting with the third caliph, Uthman. All these figures are regarded as heretics by the Shi'a faith and at least the Omayyads came to be regarded even by the Sunni orthodoxy as having deviated, with many early Muslim rebellions against them being led by Persian converts, including many who would eventually support the Abbassid coup. The Shahnameh was read by both Sunni and Shi'a but was held especially dear by Shi'a in Iran for many reasons, including religious ones as it basically became sort of part of the Iranian Shi'a canon with the stories of the pre-Islamic Persian kings recited along with the sayings and deeds of the great Shi'a Muslim saints.Ferdowsi likely saw his work as a way of preserving Iranian heritage against Arab cultural and political domination and also saw it as a service to his own individual approach to the Shi'a faith, which was one which mixed itself freely with many of the pre-Islamic Zoroastrian traditions.
>> Eliza Fibbernat - Wed, 14 Sep 2016 20:53:25 EST Yt0MTGo3 No.56864 Reply 1473900805614.jpg -(70717B / 69.06KB, 265x400) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>56804Pic related should be your first book. It covers both Pre-Islamic and Islamic Persia in some detail and is generally free of bias.
>> Eliza Fibbernat - Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:11:50 EST Yt0MTGo3 No.56865 Reply 1473901910614.gif -(88512B / 86.44KB, 300x454) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>56804>>56864This book might also be fun for the 420ch crowd in particular. It covers the dynamics and religious politics of the use of alcohol and tobacco as well as drugs like hashish & opium in the context of later Iranian empire during the Shi'a period. It covers some early uses of substances during the pre-Islamic era and Sunni period but mostly focuses on the Shi'i Safavid and Qajar dynasties.
The Troubles View Thread Reply Hide Alice Cedgedock - Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:06:13 EST vuu302UU No.56422 File: 1453673173255.jpg -(40835B / 39.88KB, 512x288) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Were any of you guys alive during the troubles? Had any relatives that were? Kinda curious as to how people remember it. 40 posts and 4 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Molly Greenhall - Sat, 10 Sep 2016 22:44:14 EST g72+uhWZ No.56856 Reply >>56790It would have been so cool if Napoleon had gone to Ireland instead of Egypt. >> Hugh Peckleforth - Mon, 12 Sep 2016 03:30:55 EST nvRt55wR No.56857 Reply Behind the Mask: The IRA and Sinn Fein was a good documentary about it, with interviews of key players on all sides. >> Graham Lightbanks - Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:15:18 EST Z+0FxOWZ No.56859 Reply >>56785Napoleon also considered an invasion of England by supporting nationalist rebels. He even met Wolfe Tone.
>> Molly Greenhall - Sat, 10 Sep 2016 22:44:14 EST g72+uhWZ No.56856 Reply >>56790It would have been so cool if Napoleon had gone to Ireland instead of Egypt.
>> Hugh Peckleforth - Mon, 12 Sep 2016 03:30:55 EST nvRt55wR No.56857 Reply Behind the Mask: The IRA and Sinn Fein was a good documentary about it, with interviews of key players on all sides.
>> Graham Lightbanks - Tue, 13 Sep 2016 19:15:18 EST Z+0FxOWZ No.56859 Reply >>56785Napoleon also considered an invasion of England by supporting nationalist rebels. He even met Wolfe Tone.
Spanish Civil War View Thread Reply Hide Archie Humblepuck - Tue, 30 Dec 2014 17:38:53 EST FifywTF/ No.54568 File: 1419979133453.jpg -(16090B / 15.71KB, 400x278) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Recommendations as to books on the Spanish Civil War?I welcome all suggestions, but I'd especially like ones that are available in Spanish. I'm aware of Orwell's Homage to Catalonia, but I'm looking for a broader historical perspective. I've come across a Breve Historia by Iñigo Bolinaga, but it sounds like it might be pretty biased in favor of the Nationalist forces.Anyway, thank you! >> Edwin Sugglelatch - Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:56:53 EST pIYqIk9c No.54569 Reply 1419983813139.jpg -(41478B / 40.51KB, 617x861) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Anarchism and Workers Self Management in Revolutionary Spain by Frank Mintz >> Edwin Sugglelatch - Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:58:51 EST pIYqIk9c No.54570 Reply 1419983931139.jpg -(734620B / 717.40KB, 987x1421) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Ready For Revolution: The CNT defense committees in Barcelona 1933-1938 by Agustín Guillamón
>> Edwin Sugglelatch - Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:56:53 EST pIYqIk9c No.54569 Reply 1419983813139.jpg -(41478B / 40.51KB, 617x861) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Anarchism and Workers Self Management in Revolutionary Spain by Frank Mintz
>> Edwin Sugglelatch - Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:58:51 EST pIYqIk9c No.54570 Reply 1419983931139.jpg -(734620B / 717.40KB, 987x1421) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Ready For Revolution: The CNT defense committees in Barcelona 1933-1938 by Agustín Guillamón
Black German soldiers on the EU front during WW1? View Thread Reply Hide Clara Seshshaw - Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:07:35 EST GuYk56cq No.56773 File: 1468188455726.jpg -(116571B / 113.84KB, 1547x535) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. So apparently in the new upcoming Battlefield 1 game there's some Black German soldiers on Europe's side. History-wise did this ever happen? Pic related. 13 posts and 4 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Jenny Wazzlechone - Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:01:05 EST 4UligxRH No.56816 Reply 1471737665161.jpg -(1238884B / 1.18MB, 1664x1562) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>56814That's true. At least they got a relatively highly developed rail system out of the deal as opposed to the Russian side. >> Hedda Bavingbot - Wed, 24 Aug 2016 18:26:38 EST 4RNy1lDa No.56820 Reply 1472077598676.jpg -(22948B / 22.41KB, 250x296) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. There were ALOT of black soldiers on all sides. They wen't black because they were African, they were black covered tooth to toe in a mixture of dirt, excrement, and gore. >> Ebenezer Docklehall - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 05:56:05 EST ZOEUWx6F No.57467 Reply I believe a handful of individuals fought for Germany in the Europe theatre. I think one of which was a band musician whose life is well documented. Might be WW2 though, I don't remember well.The studio cleared up that they want to move towards a policy of "inclusion" rather than historicity. They want to player to be themselves rather than historical role-play which is a curious excuse I don't really believe.The Battlefield's WW2 sequel includes a one-armed female GI.>>56776Don't make things up when you have nothing to virtue signal about, you axe-grinding fool.There were no race designations in WW1. African Askari were employees, not honorary anything. The Germans didn't have the manpower to defend their colonial possessions so employed sympathetic locals. There were no race restrictions on the mainland because there were virtually no resident black people.As an aside, there is an interwar era film called "The Knights of German East Africa" set in WW1 Tanzania.
>> Jenny Wazzlechone - Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:01:05 EST 4UligxRH No.56816 Reply 1471737665161.jpg -(1238884B / 1.18MB, 1664x1562) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>56814That's true. At least they got a relatively highly developed rail system out of the deal as opposed to the Russian side.
>> Hedda Bavingbot - Wed, 24 Aug 2016 18:26:38 EST 4RNy1lDa No.56820 Reply 1472077598676.jpg -(22948B / 22.41KB, 250x296) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. There were ALOT of black soldiers on all sides. They wen't black because they were African, they were black covered tooth to toe in a mixture of dirt, excrement, and gore.
>> Ebenezer Docklehall - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 05:56:05 EST ZOEUWx6F No.57467 Reply I believe a handful of individuals fought for Germany in the Europe theatre. I think one of which was a band musician whose life is well documented. Might be WW2 though, I don't remember well.The studio cleared up that they want to move towards a policy of "inclusion" rather than historicity. They want to player to be themselves rather than historical role-play which is a curious excuse I don't really believe.The Battlefield's WW2 sequel includes a one-armed female GI.>>56776Don't make things up when you have nothing to virtue signal about, you axe-grinding fool.There were no race designations in WW1. African Askari were employees, not honorary anything. The Germans didn't have the manpower to defend their colonial possessions so employed sympathetic locals. There were no race restrictions on the mainland because there were virtually no resident black people.As an aside, there is an interwar era film called "The Knights of German East Africa" set in WW1 Tanzania.
