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PIRACY ----- DIARY ACCOUNTS?

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- Thu, 19 Nov 2015 08:44:33 EST Xu0VoTIh No.56305
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I am lead to believe that a high number of seamen in the 17th, 18th centuries were illiterate.
I want to know about the lives of pirates and the motives for their independence. People are strange and historical accounts of piracy don't tell me enough about what was going on in the minds of people sailing outside of navies/designated trading companies

SO:----- can anyone link me sources of first hand accounts from pirates? (those not affiliated with particular countries or corporations sailing 1600-1850 or thereabouts.... North African, European; diaries or anything else relevant would be great)
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Simon Haddlefick - Fri, 20 Nov 2015 21:47:52 EST fFCl/TFP No.56313 Reply
>>56308

BS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Bellamy

"Captain Charles Johnson, a pseudonym,[Note 1] wrote what became the first standard historical text on pirates, A General History of the Robberies and Murders of the Most Notorious Pyrates. That source relates the story of the Whydah overtaking a sloop commanded by Captain Beer. Bellamy had wanted to let the captain keep his ship, but his crew had just voted to burn it, and the captain of the merchant vessel had just declined an invitation to join the pirates. Bellamy is attributed with making this now-famous speech:
Gold recovered from the wreck of the Whydah. Forbes ranked Bellamy #1 in its list of "Top-Earning Pirates".[12]

"I am sorry they won't let you have your sloop again, for I scorn to do any one a mischief, when it is not to my advantage; damn the sloop, we must sink her, and she might be of use to you. Though you are a sneaking puppy, and so are all those who will submit to be governed by laws which rich men have made for their own security; for the cowardly whelps have not the courage otherwise to defend what they get by knavery; but damn ye altogether: damn them for a pack of crafty rascals, and you, who serve them, for a parcel of hen-hearted numbskulls. They vilify us, the scoundrels do, when there is only this difference, they rob the poor under the cover of law, forsooth, and we plunder the rich under the protection of our own courage. Had you not better make then one of us, than sneak after these villains for employment?"


  [Beer replied that his conscience would not let him break the laws of God and man, and Bellamy continued]

"You are a devilish conscience rascal! I am a free prince, and I have as much authority to make war on the whole world as he who has a hundred sail of ships at sea and an army of 100,000 men in the field; and this my conscience tells me! But there is no arguing with such snivelling puppies, who allow superiors to kick them about deck at pleasure."

Samuel Bellamy could be considered a proto-anarchist. That speech shows that there was more going on in his head than just "Well fuck, I don't have any other options, might as well be a pirate." He opted to become a pirate rather than remain in the Royal Navy.

Just because you cling to safety doesn't mean there aren't people who would choose adventure and danger instead, for whatever reason
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Reuben Bavingfack - Sat, 19 Dec 2015 00:19:05 EST fxAlAqC/ No.56375 Reply
>>56313

Life in the Royal Navy was very very shit. I'm pretty sure that Bellamy himself was tricked into joining up with a merchant fleet, then was sold to the king of Spain as a sailor (obviously you couldn't run away from a ship at sea, so 'impressing' people into service aboard disease ridden ships was common). He and his friends stole the ship they were captive aboard and fucked off to the Carribean.

The pirate thing in the 17th-18th centuries was really a revolt of sailors against their shitty living conditions, and the tyranny of the captains.
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Phoebe Suppershit - Sat, 19 Dec 2015 04:54:11 EST 2Ys9d91S No.56377 Reply
"A ship is worse than a gaol. There is, in a gaol, better air, better company, better conveniency of every kind; and a ship has the additional disadvantage of being in danger."

Communes

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- Mon, 09 Nov 2015 04:28:17 EST h1qRarnt No.56273
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Do you have some early examples of what the geological structure of various settlements looks like in your countries?
I know about the roman Villa-system and the parish-system but I would like to know more, but most of all I'd like to be able to imagine what it was like living in the countryside a couple of hundred years ago.
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Hedda Blankinheg - Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:28:18 EST ao2CDAbf No.56304 Reply
>>56277
Thanks for the input! Going to read it properly whenever I have time
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Archie Nettingcocke - Sun, 27 Dec 2015 04:10:43 EST Ke4N2zAw No.56382 Reply
>>56277
apparently they forgot to mention the intense tribal raiding endemic to almost every tribal society. either that or they swallowed the myth of the noble savage and don't even know what they don't even know
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Nell Shakeworth - Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:38:54 EST 6PhWCkVP No.56383 Reply
I'm absolutely fascinated with the early history of my area. I'm from the Midwest and my area was populated by mound building cultures going back three millennia. In fact, there is a reconstructed village from a thousand years ago in my area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunWatch_Indian_Village
The village is from the misnamed Fort Ancient culture, the last prehistoric Indian culture in the region and possibly the progenitors of the Shawnee (who inhabited the area during and after European contact). They lived in semi-permanent, circular villages and relied on hunting and basic agriculture. The time was one of decline for these people; Nutrition was piss poor and health problems were rampant. people, apparently, cannot subsist on maize and venison alone
Speaking of mound builders, the prehistoric cultures of the lower Midwest built earthworks EVERYWHERE. Researching them is absolutely depressing, because most of them were callously destroyed by 19th century rednecks who couldn't see past their own noses. I recently looked at a site in my area and found precious little evidence the place even existed. Although that prehistoric site is adjacent to a historic farm that includes a bit of canal, an early homestead and a dank, creepy old pioneer cemetery (something else very common in this area)

While the native history of my area is neglected and also interesting to me, I am also into the pioneer history of the area. I volunteer on and off at a tavern built in 1803 that has been restored to its early appearance. I've also visited a few old log cabins and the like from the same period. One thing of note in the early history of my area is the chain of forts built during punitive expeditions undertaken by the US government in the 1790s. The local tribes were quite butthurt about the fact that crackers were squatting on their turf, so they went full Tecumseh and started scalping people. Obviously the government wasn't thrilled about this and undertook a series of expeditions to remove corn. The first couple tries were an absolute disaster; A ragtag group of Kentucky militiamen and hired ruffians cobbled together and sent in the general direction of the enemy by incompetent old AWI laureates. Fort Recovery was the site of two engagements on two different campaigns and hosts an excellent museum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Indian_War

I wish i was enough of an expert on either pioneer or Indian lifestyles and the minutia of their ways of life to give a more in depth post. If anyone has questions, I'll do my best to field them.

Afghanistan

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- Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:46:25 EST kl+oZI1v No.53515
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/his/ I desperately need your help. Can you direct me to every single website, book, article, and documentary dealing with the Taliban, Soviet War in Afghanistan, 90s Afghanistan, and the current Afghan war. I especially need stuff pertaining to the culture and general attitude of the people of Afghanistan, especially the Taliban. The topic is endlessly fascinating to me and I need to write a huge paper on it for my Poli Sci class. The paper is about the current war being unwinnable, but I want to do a very broad historical analysis.

Also I'm bored and would love some learning material. I'm a little in over my head on this topic though so please help. Thanks!

Also general Afghanistan discussion very much welcome.
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Graham Tootbanks - Sun, 29 Nov 2015 19:50:18 EST TSkgdi01 No.56331 Reply
>>56247
One man's invasion is another man's peace keeping mission. The Soviet combat mission was the direct result of political instability at the top though. According to some in the Soviet infantry, it turned into a war when soldiers traded fire with the people they were trying to steal from.

>>56330
People end up in stranger places, but why would you ask that?
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Emma Basslewid - Tue, 01 Dec 2015 14:01:55 EST pb+LkI1P No.56338 Reply
>>56331
I just see an overlap in ideology and geography and I'm fascinated by major personalities in armed conflict. Also I've just got a bone for the kurdish state and marxism
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Eliza Brimmergold - Fri, 18 Dec 2015 17:44:19 EST mnly+Hia No.56372 Reply
>>53515
I don't think the goal of any of the western conflicts in the middle east is to "win", as in conquer, simply to destabilise the region to prevent any one faction there from acheiving hegemony. In that view, the recent conflicts in the region have been pretty successful.

Ancient places illustrated. (reconstructed, etc)

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- Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:58:12 EST IxoNeK5Z No.54295
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Accurate depictions, artistic representations and interpretations ITT!

Depicted is the Roman forum, as reconstructed via artist's illustration., it's crazy to think this was a real place occupied by people and it worked.
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Shitting Brookbanks - Sun, 06 Dec 2015 00:00:22 EST pIYqIk9c No.56357 Reply
Does anyone have any cityscapes of the ancient city of Babylon?

IOCVS NOVA ROMANA

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- Thu, 19 Nov 2015 18:55:59 EST AmRcgwkf No.56307
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Any Nova Romans on the board please help a brother out and explain what the organization/country/whatever is because your website doesn't answer much
Sorry for shit thread
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Lillian Gonningbanks - Sat, 05 Dec 2015 08:05:10 EST yoS4oQiI No.56355 Reply
>>56348
They're just at a theme restaurant. He's the waiter.
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Oliver Soblingspear - Sat, 05 Dec 2015 13:43:01 EST 46Ivwr3B No.56356 Reply
>>56355

tfw when this thread has been native advertising for a restaurant called Nova Roma.

Sanhedrin Trial of Jesus

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- Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:53:49 EST rQpSY5J5 No.56236
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>Thereafter, in Pilate's Court, the Jewish elders ask Pontius Pilate to judge and condemn Jesus–accusing him of claiming to be the King of the Jews.

Pontius Pilate should have pardonned Jesus Christ of Nazareth. For Reasons
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Clara Blablingstone - Sat, 07 Nov 2015 00:32:25 EST CBu3jKCh No.56261 Reply
They actually executed quite a few people for being "the king of the Jews", which basically meant they were leading a movement to secede from Rome, most of which are recorded in the Talmud. Jesus is too but they don't say nice things about him.

On a weird tinfoily side note, the first google result when googling this is a paid ad slandering the author I learned this from, but the tenants of Jewish faith and their extensive record keeping doesn't lie and it is actually pretty well recorded on both the Jewish and Roman sides.
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Hedda Lightgold - Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:07:03 EST gJYbFbIL No.56298 Reply
Well according to the gospel of nicodemus, the jews came to pilate and say this man heals bitches on the Sabbath, he's from Beelzebub, sorcering up some demons, go fuck him up
Pilate be like naw son that's Asclepius brah
Then jesus comes in and pilate be like did u make this jew's wife trip in her dream by ur sorcery
Jesus says Nah man let em finish
The jew elders say mary wasn't a virgin, he was born in bethlehem by killing children, and that mary and joseph fled to egypt because they could not face the people
Then half of the jews go back on this and say mary's a virgin and the other half be like these are greeks that have converted they don't really count
So pilate decides to only talk to the born jews and asks if he did a good deed should he die
and they're like yea
So the jews be all We wouldn't have brought him here if he wasn't fucked
We can't kill anyone legally. You do it.
Pilate ask jesus Yo u claimin king
Jesus spit who the fuck said that sht
Pilate be all what u really do bro
Jesus gets all emo for a second and goes "my kingdom doesn't exist on earth or else the jews wouldn't want me dead"
Pilate asks if he's king
Jesus be like I was born king so all u truth hear me word up
Pilate goes back to the jews and be like he's spotless
The jews say that jesus promised to destroy solomon's temple and rebuild it in 3 days
Then pilate whites out again and gives in to the jews, whereupon they take responsibility, and then he asks how to punish them,and they be like crucifixion son and then pilates like naw he dont deserve that
So he asks em again and the jews are like he needs to die because he called himself son of god and a king
So nicodemus comes up and he's like Fuck that, This nigga like moses, let 'm go
Then the jews are like No ur just on his side ur his disciple
And nicodemus be all Pilate backed this nigga up too and Caesar's got his back
Then the jews curse him in anger to recieve his truth and his portion
Nicodemus be all bring it
So later on in breadfest pilate's askin the greek jews which prisoner they want dead or free, between a murderer and jesus and they say they want jesus dead.
A woman comes up and says jesus's touch made my period stop, and the jews are like we have a law that women can't testify
And pilate's all salty and he's like You guys some twisted fuckbois. Y'all were spoiled as fuck in exodus and y'all got ur whole culture from that shit.
But then the jews are like because jesus' fuckin parents left town when we were herod's captives, all the hebrew children got killed over the prophecy. This is the guy.
So pilate's like ok you know what this ain't on me, but i'mma let it happen
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Archie Nammlefield - Sun, 29 Nov 2015 20:37:01 EST Gt4Vgf31 No.56333 Reply
An interesting account of this historic scene was given in Bulgakov's The Master and Margarita. It was also adapted into a Russian miniseries that showed the adaptation. It was really interesting. It portrayed Pontius Pilate as talking with Jesus at length and coming to really like him, but he was still forced to execute Jesus because of political pressure from the jews.

Sovetunio

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- Sat, 07 Nov 2015 22:19:10 EST SbLL3rxd No.56270
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Why were Esperantists in Eastern Europe forced to hide their language during the cold war?
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Lydia Chuzzletodge - Tue, 10 Nov 2015 23:18:27 EST pIYqIk9c No.56281 Reply
I have no idea but I would like to know. Apparently the soviet union supported it early on but from 1930 onwards they started shooting people and putting them in labor camps for advocating its use. Weird.
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Polly Gossleman - Wed, 11 Nov 2015 05:34:02 EST nFUrmaNy No.56284 Reply
>>56270

Because it's an abomination designed to strip people from their cultures, while removing them from the powers of words. Fuck Esperanto.
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Angus Berrykure - Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:15:50 EST eiH1WIkz No.56297 Reply
Because if it's international it better also be socialist and if the party can't control it, it's bad.

Alexander the Great

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- Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:56:23 EST Dv4EQMVh No.50164
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Alexander has to be one of the most enigmatic characters in history. On one hand the sheer magnitude and glory of his accomplishments has to set him amongst the greatest and most succesful men who have ever lived, but on the other hand he was something of a cruel and vindictive megalomaniac with a murderous temper. In the west he's one of our greatest heroes, but in the east he's known as 'the two horned devil'.

How do you all feel about the great man himself?
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no homer - Tue, 03 Nov 2015 04:10:05 EST t9ossodW No.56250 Reply
>>50164
As if the gay lobby didn't make up that all the greeks were gay to make their gayness seem okay.

Stone statue of alexander sucking cock or it didn't happen.
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Betsy Brookgold - Thu, 05 Nov 2015 23:40:29 EST pIYqIk9c No.56258 Reply
okay so I bought the aleander biography by plutarch and also the fictionalized story of his relationship with bagoas called The Persian Boy

ready 4 superior form of love

German government is/was confusing

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- Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:16:18 EST HudvzGAi No.56228
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What are the differences between Kaiser, President, Chancellor, and Fuehrer?
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Hedda Gockleten - Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:46:26 EST 46Ivwr3B No.56232 Reply
>>56231

The then reigning president had essentially established that precedent when he assumed control of a military dictatorship in WWI, and overruled the Kaiser. Thanks to some early battlefield successes, he was elected president of Weimar. He was also suffering from senility.
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David Sodgelere - Tue, 27 Oct 2015 16:12:32 EST HudvzGAi No.56234 Reply
>>56232
Yeah I heard Hindenburg was kind of forced to do it, plus he was senile.
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Augustus Murdhood - Mon, 02 Nov 2015 08:10:35 EST QhbJyx2S No.56243 Reply
People in this thread have no idea.

The Kaiser was the German emperor, there were other kings below him (Bavaria and Saxony) and he himself was king of Prussia. The president of the republic was more of a figurehead and the chancellor actually did like 90% of all political work. The president just had to sign off laws and reforms and had to declare the winner of elections the new chancellor (well unless 1932). Führer was just a title the nazis came up with during the 20s. When Hindenburg died in 1934 the dictatorship was already strong enough to say "Hey, now the chancellor should just take over the president's powers, too and we call him Führer".

History of Bengal

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- Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:28:05 EST qleMGbH6 No.56221
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What do you guys think of the history of Bengal? Know anything about it? Got any good reading material on it?

The region is an interesting mix of Indo-European, Austronesian, Dravidian, and Sino-tibetan racial types. It has a mix (or in modern times, a bifurcation) of Hindu and Muslim culture with a shared language although it has a ton of distinct dialects.

I personally find it fascinating. Everything from the history of early Buddhism in the area, to the introduction of Sufi Islam into the region and the development of Hinduism during the medieval period, to the British conquest and the Bengal Renaissance, to the 1947 partition and 1971 war of independence.

You learn a lot about subcontinental center-periphery relations, and the dynamics of religious spread and interaction when you read about Bengal. Plus its a highly artistic and literary culture, which is just wonderful if you an aesthete.

What do you guys think?
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Augustus Bollybury - Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:46:43 EST WBy4CtY7 No.56223 Reply
And it's not going to exist for much longer thanks to global warming
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Jack Dugglesutch - Wed, 28 Oct 2015 11:38:58 EST fkwhQn7d No.56235 Reply
No idea, but now I'm inspired to learn more about it! I recently looked a bit at Sri Lankan antique history. I'm going to need an actual book about it though.

Brass and/or Copper Effigy

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- Mon, 26 Oct 2015 23:48:13 EST HG5zdpC2 No.56229
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Hello /HIS/, It's been a very long time since I last posted on here, so please forgive me if I mess anything up...
I recently purchased two small, brass (or copper), horse-like figurines from a small estate sale. I myself have a degree in anthropology/archeology and feel as though these pieces may have historical and/or cultural significance, but do not know where to start in regards to research. Both of these figurines seem very old based upon their patina, and each features a square hole on their underside.
My question to you is this: Has anyone ever seen anything like these? Are they some type of effigy or ceremonial item? Can anyone identify the type of animal these items portray? Any help would be greatly appreciated even if they do turn out to be simply junk.
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Augustus Nicklestone - Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:20:37 EST /F/VROSe No.56233 Reply
Cool thumbnail. 19th or 20th Century tat would be my first guess. The older they are, the less likely those fine holes are to have survived intact. It looks like lost-wax casting and the holes at the bottom may suggest production in volume. You'd want to talk to someone who knows about casting about that though.

Drug using presidents?

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- Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:54:50 EST fZ3DK8Em No.56227
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Post quotes from (possible) drug using presidents

>Habayit Hayehudi MK Betzalel Smotrich asked Netanyahu: "Why do you even talk to (Palestinian President Mahmoud) Abbas? Why pull the world's leg?" Netanyahu responded by saying that Israel "is not talking to bin Laden or ISIS, but I will talk to whoever isn't calling for our destruction."
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.682374

BIN LADEN IS DEAD! lols

Thunk about it

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- Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:15:19 EST GVgszkte No.56211
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So im drunk.and was thinking about cartoons that had good songs.like famly guy or sponge bob.think about it!

Crazy Kings and Leaders

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- Tue, 20 Jan 2015 01:43:46 EST IIEMocfo No.54643
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Any instances of leaders/kings slowly going insane and losing their minds?

Cambyses was one, the Cambyses who was the son of the Cyrus that beseiged Sardis.

Basically, the guy slowly went insane and made his army continue to march against a mythical tribe of Africans in the woods while his troops converted to cannibalism due to ration shortage. Or that time that he shot an advisor's son with a bow and arrow because he disagreed with him being an alcoholic? Or how about that time that he decided to kill his own brother because he had a dream? Or when he killed his own wife because of something she said at the dinner table? Or how about that time he started burning shit in the temple of Hephaistos?

He was probably the only king who didn't give a fuck about the hellenistic gods, or any for that matter, because he was crazy.
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Ghengis Dong - Tue, 13 Oct 2015 20:31:41 EST 2egVTEgC No.56189 Reply
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>XVIII. To endeavour to speak with her fasting, and that she may tell them some matter at length, so that they may see whether her breath be sweet.
Could never come near to her fasting, but at other times have approached her visage as nigh as they conveniently could, but never felt any savour of spices, and believe her to be of a sweet savour.
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Cyril Chennerway - Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:52:59 EST 5ADmKFCq No.56208 Reply
The Ottoman Sultans had a crazy one in their line, Ibrahim the mad. Can't really recall any specific stories but modern psychoanalysts would have a field day with his diagnosis
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Cyril Chennerway - Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:15:46 EST 5ADmKFCq No.56209 Reply
>>55158

Tamerlane wasn't crazy

His campaigns were brutal as fuck yes, but he didn't exhibit any mental issues and we actually have primary sources of Timur and his court, unlike all the turco-mongol raiders before him. You could argue that he was a fanatic islamist zealot but it seems more that his hardcore muslimness was a means for him to legitimize his rule, just like when he made the dubious claim that he descended from Chingis Khan. He was a peasant nobody, he needed to legitimize his rule among the turco mongol armies and claiming to be "The Sword of Islam" and a descendant of Genghis were ways for him to do that. Not sure where you got the idea he was a crazy.
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