History of Bengal View Thread Reply Hide Shitting Drannershit - Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:28:05 EST qleMGbH6 No.56221 File: 1445675285247.jpg -(613755B / 599.37KB, 1536x1068) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. What do you guys think of the history of Bengal? Know anything about it? Got any good reading material on it?The region is an interesting mix of Indo-European, Austronesian, Dravidian, and Sino-tibetan racial types. It has a mix (or in modern times, a bifurcation) of Hindu and Muslim culture with a shared language although it has a ton of distinct dialects.I personally find it fascinating. Everything from the history of early Buddhism in the area, to the introduction of Sufi Islam into the region and the development of Hinduism during the medieval period, to the British conquest and the Bengal Renaissance, to the 1947 partition and 1971 war of independence.You learn a lot about subcontinental center-periphery relations, and the dynamics of religious spread and interaction when you read about Bengal. Plus its a highly artistic and literary culture, which is just wonderful if you an aesthete.What do you guys think? >> Augustus Bollybury - Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:46:43 EST WBy4CtY7 No.56223 Reply And it's not going to exist for much longer thanks to global warming >> Jack Dugglesutch - Wed, 28 Oct 2015 11:38:58 EST fkwhQn7d No.56235 Reply No idea, but now I'm inspired to learn more about it! I recently looked a bit at Sri Lankan antique history. I'm going to need an actual book about it though. >> Ebenezer Handleline - Sun, 01 Nov 2015 01:26:14 EST qleMGbH6 No.56241 Reply 1446359174818.jpg -(729580B / 712.48KB, 1800x1200) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Here is a good thing about the rise of Islam in the region: http://videshisutra.com/2015/02/14/the-islamization-of-bengal/And the book which that post referenced:http://hudsoncress.net/hudsoncress.org/html/library/history-travel/Eaton,%20Richard%20-%20The%20Rise%20of%20Islam%20and%20the%20Bengal%20Frontier.pdf
>> Augustus Bollybury - Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:46:43 EST WBy4CtY7 No.56223 Reply And it's not going to exist for much longer thanks to global warming
>> Jack Dugglesutch - Wed, 28 Oct 2015 11:38:58 EST fkwhQn7d No.56235 Reply No idea, but now I'm inspired to learn more about it! I recently looked a bit at Sri Lankan antique history. I'm going to need an actual book about it though.
>> Ebenezer Handleline - Sun, 01 Nov 2015 01:26:14 EST qleMGbH6 No.56241 Reply 1446359174818.jpg -(729580B / 712.48KB, 1800x1200) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Here is a good thing about the rise of Islam in the region: http://videshisutra.com/2015/02/14/the-islamization-of-bengal/And the book which that post referenced:http://hudsoncress.net/hudsoncress.org/html/library/history-travel/Eaton,%20Richard%20-%20The%20Rise%20of%20Islam%20and%20the%20Bengal%20Frontier.pdf
Brass and/or Copper Effigy View Thread Reply Hide Martha Brazzletine - Mon, 26 Oct 2015 23:48:13 EST HG5zdpC2 No.56229 File: 1445917693663.jpg -(7196B / 7.03KB, 192x159) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Hello /HIS/, It's been a very long time since I last posted on here, so please forgive me if I mess anything up... I recently purchased two small, brass (or copper), horse-like figurines from a small estate sale. I myself have a degree in anthropology/archeology and feel as though these pieces may have historical and/or cultural significance, but do not know where to start in regards to research. Both of these figurines seem very old based upon their patina, and each features a square hole on their underside. My question to you is this: Has anyone ever seen anything like these? Are they some type of effigy or ceremonial item? Can anyone identify the type of animal these items portray? Any help would be greatly appreciated even if they do turn out to be simply junk. >> Augustus Nicklestone - Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:20:37 EST /F/VROSe No.56233 Reply Cool thumbnail. 19th or 20th Century tat would be my first guess. The older they are, the less likely those fine holes are to have survived intact. It looks like lost-wax casting and the holes at the bottom may suggest production in volume. You'd want to talk to someone who knows about casting about that though.
>> Augustus Nicklestone - Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:20:37 EST /F/VROSe No.56233 Reply Cool thumbnail. 19th or 20th Century tat would be my first guess. The older they are, the less likely those fine holes are to have survived intact. It looks like lost-wax casting and the holes at the bottom may suggest production in volume. You'd want to talk to someone who knows about casting about that though.
Drug using presidents? View Thread Reply Hide Fanny Buzzhall - Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:54:50 EST fZ3DK8Em No.56227 File: 1445889290727.jpg -(3294B / 3.22KB, 135x101) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Post quotes from (possible) drug using presidents>Habayit Hayehudi MK Betzalel Smotrich asked Netanyahu: "Why do you even talk to (Palestinian President Mahmoud) Abbas? Why pull the world's leg?" Netanyahu responded by saying that Israel "is not talking to bin Laden or ISIS, but I will talk to whoever isn't calling for our destruction." read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.682374BIN LADEN IS DEAD! lols
Thunk about it View Thread Reply Hide Nell Neblinglidging - Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:15:19 EST GVgszkte No.56211 File: 1445318119987.jpg -(29171B / 28.49KB, 371x684) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. So im drunk.and was thinking about cartoons that had good songs.like famly guy or sponge bob.think about it! >> Colonel Furburger - Wed, 21 Oct 2015 01:58:51 EST 69yWv/Nb No.56213 Reply 1445407131432.jpg -(126251B / 123.29KB, 682x711) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. I post this on behalf of Justin Trudeau And yes I am canadian HAHAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpS4ebEtLUE
>> Colonel Furburger - Wed, 21 Oct 2015 01:58:51 EST 69yWv/Nb No.56213 Reply 1445407131432.jpg -(126251B / 123.29KB, 682x711) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. I post this on behalf of Justin Trudeau And yes I am canadian HAHAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpS4ebEtLUE
Crazy Kings and Leaders View Thread Reply Hide Walter Gallystone - Tue, 20 Jan 2015 01:43:46 EST IIEMocfo No.54643 File: 1421736226172.gif -(135851B / 132.67KB, 555x255) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Any instances of leaders/kings slowly going insane and losing their minds?Cambyses was one, the Cambyses who was the son of the Cyrus that beseiged Sardis. Basically, the guy slowly went insane and made his army continue to march against a mythical tribe of Africans in the woods while his troops converted to cannibalism due to ration shortage. Or that time that he shot an advisor's son with a bow and arrow because he disagreed with him being an alcoholic? Or how about that time that he decided to kill his own brother because he had a dream? Or when he killed his own wife because of something she said at the dinner table? Or how about that time he started burning shit in the temple of Hephaistos?He was probably the only king who didn't give a fuck about the hellenistic gods, or any for that matter, because he was crazy. 62 posts and 13 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Ghengis Dong - Tue, 13 Oct 2015 20:31:41 EST 2egVTEgC No.56189 Reply >>56188>XVIII. To endeavour to speak with her fasting, and that she may tell them some matter at length, so that they may see whether her breath be sweet.Could never come near to her fasting, but at other times have approached her visage as nigh as they conveniently could, but never felt any savour of spices, and believe her to be of a sweet savour. >> Cyril Chennerway - Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:52:59 EST 5ADmKFCq No.56208 Reply The Ottoman Sultans had a crazy one in their line, Ibrahim the mad. Can't really recall any specific stories but modern psychoanalysts would have a field day with his diagnosis >> Cyril Chennerway - Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:15:46 EST 5ADmKFCq No.56209 Reply >>55158Tamerlane wasn't crazyHis campaigns were brutal as fuck yes, but he didn't exhibit any mental issues and we actually have primary sources of Timur and his court, unlike all the turco-mongol raiders before him. You could argue that he was a fanatic islamist zealot but it seems more that his hardcore muslimness was a means for him to legitimize his rule, just like when he made the dubious claim that he descended from Chingis Khan. He was a peasant nobody, he needed to legitimize his rule among the turco mongol armies and claiming to be "The Sword of Islam" and a descendant of Genghis were ways for him to do that. Not sure where you got the idea he was a crazy.
>> Ghengis Dong - Tue, 13 Oct 2015 20:31:41 EST 2egVTEgC No.56189 Reply >>56188>XVIII. To endeavour to speak with her fasting, and that she may tell them some matter at length, so that they may see whether her breath be sweet.Could never come near to her fasting, but at other times have approached her visage as nigh as they conveniently could, but never felt any savour of spices, and believe her to be of a sweet savour.
>> Cyril Chennerway - Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:52:59 EST 5ADmKFCq No.56208 Reply The Ottoman Sultans had a crazy one in their line, Ibrahim the mad. Can't really recall any specific stories but modern psychoanalysts would have a field day with his diagnosis
>> Cyril Chennerway - Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:15:46 EST 5ADmKFCq No.56209 Reply >>55158Tamerlane wasn't crazyHis campaigns were brutal as fuck yes, but he didn't exhibit any mental issues and we actually have primary sources of Timur and his court, unlike all the turco-mongol raiders before him. You could argue that he was a fanatic islamist zealot but it seems more that his hardcore muslimness was a means for him to legitimize his rule, just like when he made the dubious claim that he descended from Chingis Khan. He was a peasant nobody, he needed to legitimize his rule among the turco mongol armies and claiming to be "The Sword of Islam" and a descendant of Genghis were ways for him to do that. Not sure where you got the idea he was a crazy.
Help with identification View Thread Reply Hide Hamilton Goodford - Tue, 29 Sep 2015 17:27:23 EST 02zvB8Ms No.56153 File: 1443562043538.jpg -(1304561B / 1.24MB, 2592x1936) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Hi. This was in our basement. I must have looked at it a bunch of times, but today I noticed the cross at the top and realized it had some sort of nefarious association. Sure enough, I looked it up and it is an "Iron Cross"(proper noun?). Is there some reason it was placed on top of an America flag? Was this flag a grave marker? My grandfather fought during the time of the Wars, and has since died.(all I could think of) 11 posts and 1 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Beatrice Bunwater - Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:55:30 EST 4u9Cq0MQ No.56192 Reply >>56191>tfw when Europe is going to belong to the Muslims anyways in a few decades >> A Wizard - Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:36:40 EST /HWjT0P7 No.56197 Reply >>56163Omfg... "Ger-Man" All of the fuckers you're talking about all Germans. The existence of various political regimes does not effect the ethnicity that is the Germanic ethic group.But yeah, the Christians really fucked up europe. >> Phyllis Fevingtit - Sat, 17 Oct 2015 08:38:46 EST VbnwhOqz No.56201 Reply >>56191You probably mean >got their asses saved by Poles in the last moment
>> Beatrice Bunwater - Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:55:30 EST 4u9Cq0MQ No.56192 Reply >>56191>tfw when Europe is going to belong to the Muslims anyways in a few decades
>> A Wizard - Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:36:40 EST /HWjT0P7 No.56197 Reply >>56163Omfg... "Ger-Man" All of the fuckers you're talking about all Germans. The existence of various political regimes does not effect the ethnicity that is the Germanic ethic group.But yeah, the Christians really fucked up europe.
>> Phyllis Fevingtit - Sat, 17 Oct 2015 08:38:46 EST VbnwhOqz No.56201 Reply >>56191You probably mean >got their asses saved by Poles in the last moment
Historical tidbits View Thread Reply Hide Rebecca Dacklefoot - Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:49:39 EST taGtMpGl No.56183 File: 1444578579692.jpg -(3937498B / 3.76MB, 1687x2200) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Indentured servitude was common in the Swedish countryside (predominantly in the south) up until the 1930's and it wasn't outlawed until 1945.
Medieval armies View Thread Reply Hide Doris Clullydale - Tue, 30 Sep 2014 02:57:12 EST LQxCuB8k No.53765 File: 1412060232744.jpg -(123959B / 121.05KB, 283x381) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. You are in medieval times, you have full command of an army of your choosing, any type of composition. What do you choose? What is your army> Main force consists of cataphract type shock cavalry and horse archers> Light cavalry for distraction and hit and run purposes> Heavy spearmen to hold the line, readied for hammer and anvil> Longbow men behind spearmen shooting down ranks> Cavalry and archer based armies are the best 106 posts and 18 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> A Wizard - Thu, 08 Oct 2015 19:18:01 EST /HWjT0P7 No.56179 Reply >>56174The thing about this, is that in Philip's and Alexander's armies, there would had been a division or two of skirmishers who run about flinging a few javelins and then are used to fill the gaps when a heavier division can't keep it's footing and needs a moment to reform. Further, they had light cavalry to stop maneuvers like the one mentioned below. >> Clara Nullerdudging - Fri, 09 Oct 2015 18:35:32 EST 46Ivwr3B No.56180 Reply >>56179>The Romans had placed the two legions in the middle, with the allied Latin, Italian and Greek infantry on their flanks. The cavalry was placed on the wings, with the Roman right being supplemented by 22 elephants. >The phalanx took up the center of the Macedonian line, with the elite 3,000-strong Guard formed to the left of the phalanx. Lighter peltasts, mercenaries and Thracian infantry guarded the two flanks of the phalanx, while the Macedonian cavalry was also most probably arrayed on both flanks. The stronger contingent was on the Macedonian right, where Perseus commanded the heavy cavalry (including his elite Sacred Squadron), and the Thracian Odrysian cavalry were deployed. However, other sources state that the cavalry did not participate in the fight, as there was a strike against Perseus by the nobles.They had literally every element they needed, but the nobles took a dive. >> A Wizard - Sat, 10 Oct 2015 03:53:15 EST /HWjT0P7 No.56181 Reply >>56180Hmm, well, the Macedonians were known for talking shit to the Thracians, and the Thracians well known for saying "Fuck you, we quit. Let's go raid the neighbors."But here's the reason they lost. They sent their main force in first, against a legionary army. You don't do that, and they should had known better.
>> A Wizard - Thu, 08 Oct 2015 19:18:01 EST /HWjT0P7 No.56179 Reply >>56174The thing about this, is that in Philip's and Alexander's armies, there would had been a division or two of skirmishers who run about flinging a few javelins and then are used to fill the gaps when a heavier division can't keep it's footing and needs a moment to reform. Further, they had light cavalry to stop maneuvers like the one mentioned below.
>> Clara Nullerdudging - Fri, 09 Oct 2015 18:35:32 EST 46Ivwr3B No.56180 Reply >>56179>The Romans had placed the two legions in the middle, with the allied Latin, Italian and Greek infantry on their flanks. The cavalry was placed on the wings, with the Roman right being supplemented by 22 elephants. >The phalanx took up the center of the Macedonian line, with the elite 3,000-strong Guard formed to the left of the phalanx. Lighter peltasts, mercenaries and Thracian infantry guarded the two flanks of the phalanx, while the Macedonian cavalry was also most probably arrayed on both flanks. The stronger contingent was on the Macedonian right, where Perseus commanded the heavy cavalry (including his elite Sacred Squadron), and the Thracian Odrysian cavalry were deployed. However, other sources state that the cavalry did not participate in the fight, as there was a strike against Perseus by the nobles.They had literally every element they needed, but the nobles took a dive.
>> A Wizard - Sat, 10 Oct 2015 03:53:15 EST /HWjT0P7 No.56181 Reply >>56180Hmm, well, the Macedonians were known for talking shit to the Thracians, and the Thracians well known for saying "Fuck you, we quit. Let's go raid the neighbors."But here's the reason they lost. They sent their main force in first, against a legionary army. You don't do that, and they should had known better.
Cold War General Thread View Thread Reply Hide John Feffinglod - Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:56:03 EST 6nKr2p8x No.54044 File: 1413255363389.jpg -(22825B / 22.29KB, 533x314) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. The concepts of MAD and proxy wars obsess me. Let's have a thread focusing on cold war era geopolitics, and also have a look at the culture of the time and different points of view that each country had.Kissinger critiquing the concept of total war and calling for americans to focus on conventional warfare:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SJikzUwwOYThe build up to the cold war with an empathsis on the British point of view:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SJikzUwwOY 19 posts and 5 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Molly Shakeford - Tue, 22 Sep 2015 17:43:05 EST K//zrI33 No.56142 Reply You want to explore proxy wars and MAD all you have to do is look to the situation in the middle East that has been manipulated by the Americans, the Saudi Arabians and the Israelis >> Edward Socklenick - Tue, 22 Sep 2015 22:45:25 EST yNa7lnyO No.56143 Reply 1442976325657.jpg -(260975B / 254.86KB, 1600x1067) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>56142Don't forget to include the Indian peninsula into that mix, to help put it into an even bigger and thus better yours versus ours MAD players, like India, Pakistan, and one day even Sril Lanka. Such mad MAD policies all around the globe is amazingly mad. >> Fanny Worthingstock - Wed, 23 Sep 2015 01:30:02 EST 1qEdrkTE No.56145 Reply 1442986202603.jpg -(91470B / 89.33KB, 371x500) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Just read "A Failed Empire: The Soviet Union in the Cold War from Stalin to Gorbachev" by Vladislav Zubok, which covers Soviet foreign policy and political history excellently. Zubok, as far as I know, coined a term for the near-constant premise of Soviet foreign policy called "Revolutionary-Imperialist paradigm", which assumed the imminent collapse of the liberal capitalist order and that armed with Marx's "scientific theory", Soviet diplomats and statesman were superior to their Western counterparts. I'm interested what everyone's perspective is on Mikael Gorbachev? I had always looked up to Gorbachev as a peacemaker and liberal idealist, but wowza did this book convincingly paint his tenure as characterized by chaos and naivety! After the mid-80's he wouldn't use force in practically any circumstance, whether to quell protests or defeat rebels or just bulwark the state (the only pacifistic world leader perhaps in world history). He also winged almost all of his domestic and foreign policy, often resulting in failure or decentralization due to inadequate planning. Also, Raymond Garthoff's tomes on the Cold War from Nixon to Reagan are phenomenal, probably some of the most incisive and even-handed Cold War histories ever written. >>55913Zubok's book corroborates that Mao's puritanism and ideological radicalism were a constant thorn on the side of the Soviet foreign policy. He suggested that Mao's China resented heavily the Soviets' international stature and how they dominated the communist world, so they'd constantly undermine (relative) Soviet pragmatism.
>> Molly Shakeford - Tue, 22 Sep 2015 17:43:05 EST K//zrI33 No.56142 Reply You want to explore proxy wars and MAD all you have to do is look to the situation in the middle East that has been manipulated by the Americans, the Saudi Arabians and the Israelis
>> Edward Socklenick - Tue, 22 Sep 2015 22:45:25 EST yNa7lnyO No.56143 Reply 1442976325657.jpg -(260975B / 254.86KB, 1600x1067) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>56142Don't forget to include the Indian peninsula into that mix, to help put it into an even bigger and thus better yours versus ours MAD players, like India, Pakistan, and one day even Sril Lanka. Such mad MAD policies all around the globe is amazingly mad.
>> Fanny Worthingstock - Wed, 23 Sep 2015 01:30:02 EST 1qEdrkTE No.56145 Reply 1442986202603.jpg -(91470B / 89.33KB, 371x500) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Just read "A Failed Empire: The Soviet Union in the Cold War from Stalin to Gorbachev" by Vladislav Zubok, which covers Soviet foreign policy and political history excellently. Zubok, as far as I know, coined a term for the near-constant premise of Soviet foreign policy called "Revolutionary-Imperialist paradigm", which assumed the imminent collapse of the liberal capitalist order and that armed with Marx's "scientific theory", Soviet diplomats and statesman were superior to their Western counterparts. I'm interested what everyone's perspective is on Mikael Gorbachev? I had always looked up to Gorbachev as a peacemaker and liberal idealist, but wowza did this book convincingly paint his tenure as characterized by chaos and naivety! After the mid-80's he wouldn't use force in practically any circumstance, whether to quell protests or defeat rebels or just bulwark the state (the only pacifistic world leader perhaps in world history). He also winged almost all of his domestic and foreign policy, often resulting in failure or decentralization due to inadequate planning. Also, Raymond Garthoff's tomes on the Cold War from Nixon to Reagan are phenomenal, probably some of the most incisive and even-handed Cold War histories ever written. >>55913Zubok's book corroborates that Mao's puritanism and ideological radicalism were a constant thorn on the side of the Soviet foreign policy. He suggested that Mao's China resented heavily the Soviets' international stature and how they dominated the communist world, so they'd constantly undermine (relative) Soviet pragmatism.
chile actuality View Thread Reply Hide pinochet - Fri, 18 Sep 2015 20:56:23 EST QRpA4hY7 No.56134 File: 1442624183855.jpg -(25367B / 24.77KB, 340x312) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Well since this os Pol .im asking what exactly pinochet did? I KNOW some things,but my cousin said that he did nothing wrong...anyway feom a neutral opinion,what exactly he did,bad or good.I know chile its one of The most expensives places to live...so lets go >> Buck Strickland - Sun, 20 Sep 2015 17:38:02 EST OE1PGRtd No.56138 Reply 1442785082132.jpg -(843831B / 824.05KB, 1920x1152) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>56134Pinochet assumed power in Chile following a United States-backed coup d'état on 11 September 1973 that overthrew the elected socialist Unidad Popular government of President Salvador Allende and ended civilian rule. Several academics have stated that the support of the United States was crucial to the coup and the consolidation of power afterward.From its beginning, the new military government implemented harsh measures against its perceived opponents.[8] Various reports and investigations claim that between 1,200 and 3,200 people were killed, up to 80,000 people were interned and as many as 30,000 were tortured during the time Pinochet was in government.[9][10][11] As of 2011, the official number of deaths and forced disappearances stands at 3,065.Under the influence of the free market-oriented neoliberal "Chicago Boys", the military government implemented economic reforms, including currency stabilization, tariff cutting, opening Chile's markets to global trade, restricting labor unions, privatizing social security, and the privatization of hundreds of state-controlled industries. These policies produced what has been referred to as the "Miracle of Chile," but critics state that the government policies dramatically increased economic inequality.[13] Chile was, for most of the 1990s, the best-performing economy in Latin America, though academics continue to dispute the legacy of Pinochet's reforms
>> Buck Strickland - Sun, 20 Sep 2015 17:38:02 EST OE1PGRtd No.56138 Reply 1442785082132.jpg -(843831B / 824.05KB, 1920x1152) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>56134Pinochet assumed power in Chile following a United States-backed coup d'état on 11 September 1973 that overthrew the elected socialist Unidad Popular government of President Salvador Allende and ended civilian rule. Several academics have stated that the support of the United States was crucial to the coup and the consolidation of power afterward.From its beginning, the new military government implemented harsh measures against its perceived opponents.[8] Various reports and investigations claim that between 1,200 and 3,200 people were killed, up to 80,000 people were interned and as many as 30,000 were tortured during the time Pinochet was in government.[9][10][11] As of 2011, the official number of deaths and forced disappearances stands at 3,065.Under the influence of the free market-oriented neoliberal "Chicago Boys", the military government implemented economic reforms, including currency stabilization, tariff cutting, opening Chile's markets to global trade, restricting labor unions, privatizing social security, and the privatization of hundreds of state-controlled industries. These policies produced what has been referred to as the "Miracle of Chile," but critics state that the government policies dramatically increased economic inequality.[13] Chile was, for most of the 1990s, the best-performing economy in Latin America, though academics continue to dispute the legacy of Pinochet's reforms
What school of historiography do you find most compelling? View Thread Reply Hide Lydia Werringwater - Sat, 12 Sep 2015 19:06:31 EST K3k4dOuf No.56122 File: 1442099191080.gif -(18308B / 17.88KB, 120x120) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Are you into classic 19th century great-man historicism, annales school total histories, American modernization theory, or neo-Marxist (post 1950s) thought? Or are you a postmodern nihilist? Should historians embrace political bias, or do our best to avoid it? Do you believe materialism is the driving force of history or are you a fan of Hegel and believe in the primacy of ideas as the driving force in history?I used to be a pretty hardcore Marxist but as I've started my history master's education I've increasingly felt like Marxism is just too myopic and orthodox to account for the complexity of the modern world, and it's focus on industrial production feels increasingly irrelevant to the post-industrial West. Modernization theory is garbage in that it's predicated entirely on an "end-of-history" style perception of the West as a standard against which other nations are measured. Annales style history is nice but "total history" seems optimistic and prone to reductionism. Relativistic post modernism also seems to suck, since of course there are some genuine, non-contextual truths in historical studies.I guess I would say I'm increasingly an adherent of a sort of mixture of Marxism, Modernization theory, and relativism, even though in a broad sense those aren't reconciliable.Sorry about the rambling, I'm nodding over here and thinking about historiography and just thought I'd see what you people think. 1 posts omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Shit Clammlestone - Sat, 12 Sep 2015 20:12:22 EST WBy4CtY7 No.56124 Reply >>56123Took a course in Chinese Historiography in college. Goddamn those fuckers rewrote and rewrote that shit to serve their Emperor's version of events. Flawed premise though, but the idea is to be able to code-switch between different types of historiography when you're talking about different scales of history. I've heard the term describing our present era as the next step beyond post modernism: Pre futurism. I think this is an incredibly important distinction, and may be a reason you find many existent schools of History unfulfilling. It is characterized by the proliferation of information access that will ultimately reach every corner of the human population. It is also characterized by the rise of "big data" and the ability to crunch those numbers. I think that the Marxist idea that "society determines consciousness" is an important thing to remember in terms of politics in history. That the course of historical events is driven by mass change in the consciousness of the people, reflective of the material conditions of their era. >> Archie Pucklehare - Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:43:12 EST b0Z6XbnQ No.56129 Reply >>56123Yes, it's called Linguistics. >> Hugh Craffingstock - Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:26:09 EST yFQ4Ty4G No.56130 Reply >>56122These "historiographies" are...already history.
>> Shit Clammlestone - Sat, 12 Sep 2015 20:12:22 EST WBy4CtY7 No.56124 Reply >>56123Took a course in Chinese Historiography in college. Goddamn those fuckers rewrote and rewrote that shit to serve their Emperor's version of events. Flawed premise though, but the idea is to be able to code-switch between different types of historiography when you're talking about different scales of history. I've heard the term describing our present era as the next step beyond post modernism: Pre futurism. I think this is an incredibly important distinction, and may be a reason you find many existent schools of History unfulfilling. It is characterized by the proliferation of information access that will ultimately reach every corner of the human population. It is also characterized by the rise of "big data" and the ability to crunch those numbers. I think that the Marxist idea that "society determines consciousness" is an important thing to remember in terms of politics in history. That the course of historical events is driven by mass change in the consciousness of the people, reflective of the material conditions of their era.
>> Archie Pucklehare - Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:43:12 EST b0Z6XbnQ No.56129 Reply >>56123Yes, it's called Linguistics.
>> Hugh Craffingstock - Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:26:09 EST yFQ4Ty4G No.56130 Reply >>56122These "historiographies" are...already history.
Was the nuke justified? View Thread Reply Hide Jenny Maffingstone - Sat, 30 May 2015 00:08:19 EST fvUsPHn8 No.55539 File: 1432958899972.jpg -(240149B / 234.52KB, 2116x1170) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. So, whenever this thread comes up i hear some people talking about how the emperor wanted to sue for peace before the nukes were even dropped. Now, i don't have any sources on that so i'm not sure that its true. Does anybody have some? 116 posts and 26 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Matilda Goodhood - Sat, 05 Sep 2015 00:09:39 EST b0Z6XbnQ No.56090 Reply >>56088Don't forget that nuking them kept them out of the hands of the soviets. Ask anyone in eastern europe about how much shittier that would've been.Either way, should've dropped it on their emperor, then just blockaded until they gave up. >> Hamilton Fuckingridge - Fri, 11 Sep 2015 21:09:33 EST 46Ivwr3B No.56119 Reply >>56090>Ask anyone in eastern europeYeah, and not someone in East Asia. The Soviets had little direct control over their proxies in Asia, not in the least part due to demographic fears and racism. They also wished to avoid a large overseas occupation of a notoriously (or so it was thought) restive population. >kept them out of the hands of the soviets The Soviets got Sakhalin, which was a fifth of Japan's land mass. This placed them within short range of US military assets. This rendered the entire US occupation force a hostage to short range nuclear strikes.They also turned China communist, which is exponentially larger than Japan. It seems these arguments are little more than face saving maneuvers to cover up blunder after blunder. >> Archie Pucklehare - Wed, 16 Sep 2015 05:03:25 EST b0Z6XbnQ No.56128 Reply >>56119Fifth of land mass... Dude, they took the equivalent of fucking Alaska or the Yukon. The people who lived there were hardly even japs. The only blunder was not letting king Arthur blow up china.
>> Matilda Goodhood - Sat, 05 Sep 2015 00:09:39 EST b0Z6XbnQ No.56090 Reply >>56088Don't forget that nuking them kept them out of the hands of the soviets. Ask anyone in eastern europe about how much shittier that would've been.Either way, should've dropped it on their emperor, then just blockaded until they gave up.
>> Hamilton Fuckingridge - Fri, 11 Sep 2015 21:09:33 EST 46Ivwr3B No.56119 Reply >>56090>Ask anyone in eastern europeYeah, and not someone in East Asia. The Soviets had little direct control over their proxies in Asia, not in the least part due to demographic fears and racism. They also wished to avoid a large overseas occupation of a notoriously (or so it was thought) restive population. >kept them out of the hands of the soviets The Soviets got Sakhalin, which was a fifth of Japan's land mass. This placed them within short range of US military assets. This rendered the entire US occupation force a hostage to short range nuclear strikes.They also turned China communist, which is exponentially larger than Japan. It seems these arguments are little more than face saving maneuvers to cover up blunder after blunder.
>> Archie Pucklehare - Wed, 16 Sep 2015 05:03:25 EST b0Z6XbnQ No.56128 Reply >>56119Fifth of land mass... Dude, they took the equivalent of fucking Alaska or the Yukon. The people who lived there were hardly even japs. The only blunder was not letting king Arthur blow up china.
Rosemary Kennedy View Thread Reply Hide Hugh Pupperchudge - Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:56:26 EST bj95Mkkf No.55916 File: 1436903786536.jpg -(86658B / 84.63KB, 368x280) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. her parents literally had surgeons mutilate her brain because she was mildly retarded.ended up making her severely retarded.#derp#20th century logicps: she died in an institution for the insane 'cause she was completely unable to function after being lobotomized. 21 posts and 5 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Jenny Fommlechore - Wed, 19 Aug 2015 09:52:22 EST xxkfkN+v No.56002 Reply >>55975When having a problem with authority is classified as a symptom of mental illness, that country done fucked up. >> Emma Finnerfield - Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:09:17 EST LahsLyXj No.56022 Reply >>55969>What happenedFrom wiki:> In 1933, the Soviet government, under the leadership of Joseph Stalin, recriminalised homosexual activity with punishments of up to five years' hard labor >> Pimp C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:24:51 EST XB9W9h+B No.56089 Reply Well the eugenics movement was pretty popular back then so I can't really blame em for doing that to her.
>> Jenny Fommlechore - Wed, 19 Aug 2015 09:52:22 EST xxkfkN+v No.56002 Reply >>55975When having a problem with authority is classified as a symptom of mental illness, that country done fucked up.
>> Emma Finnerfield - Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:09:17 EST LahsLyXj No.56022 Reply >>55969>What happenedFrom wiki:> In 1933, the Soviet government, under the leadership of Joseph Stalin, recriminalised homosexual activity with punishments of up to five years' hard labor
>> Pimp C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Fri, 04 Sep 2015 23:24:51 EST XB9W9h+B No.56089 Reply Well the eugenics movement was pretty popular back then so I can't really blame em for doing that to her.
Least Represented History in Academia View Thread Reply Hide Edward Billerpet - Tue, 28 Apr 2015 17:20:16 EST +SMg0bNM No.55314 File: 1430256016104.jpg -(1945561B / 1.86MB, 2240x1260) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. So I don't know what I'm talking about, and maybe this is totally the wrong question to ask.But are there any parts of history or nations/civilizations that are underrepresented in contemporary academia?Rome and Medieval Europe seem to have the most research done into them, are there any areas of history that you would like to learn more about but there simply aren't the resources? 53 posts and 8 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Phoebe Mabbleforth - Sun, 30 Aug 2015 07:32:26 EST IBzanJxJ No.56057 Reply >>56056that narrative you just spewed is underrepresented because it's made up >> Whitey Blenderstock - Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:43:37 EST /wHIWU2y No.56058 Reply >>56057Genetic tests show Ashkenazai Jews are descendent from Khazars. >More from his Haaretz interview, “The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. We are talking here about groups that are very heterogeneous and which are connected solely by religion…[the] genome of European Jews is a mosaic of ancient peoples and its origin is largely Khazar.”>Now onto some of the science highlights. Dr. Elhaik’s research shows that the dominant element in the genetic makeup of European Jews is Khazar. For Central European Jews it is 38%, while for East Europeans it is 30>On December 14, 2012, Dr. Eran Elhaik turned almost two generations of Jewish genome research upside down.>But he went even further. The young Israeli-American geneticist has charged former researchers with academic fraud, and he has the research to back it up. >> jo - Wed, 02 Sep 2015 18:00:18 EST NFLi5hTP No.56070 Reply >>56050
>> Phoebe Mabbleforth - Sun, 30 Aug 2015 07:32:26 EST IBzanJxJ No.56057 Reply >>56056that narrative you just spewed is underrepresented because it's made up
>> Whitey Blenderstock - Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:43:37 EST /wHIWU2y No.56058 Reply >>56057Genetic tests show Ashkenazai Jews are descendent from Khazars. >More from his Haaretz interview, “The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. We are talking here about groups that are very heterogeneous and which are connected solely by religion…[the] genome of European Jews is a mosaic of ancient peoples and its origin is largely Khazar.”>Now onto some of the science highlights. Dr. Elhaik’s research shows that the dominant element in the genetic makeup of European Jews is Khazar. For Central European Jews it is 38%, while for East Europeans it is 30>On December 14, 2012, Dr. Eran Elhaik turned almost two generations of Jewish genome research upside down.>But he went even further. The young Israeli-American geneticist has charged former researchers with academic fraud, and he has the research to back it up.
