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- Sat, 07 Oct 2017 13:17:05 EST BrfXiFVX No.57269
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I'd like to learn more about the Germanic regions before christianism. Any suggestions? Cool facts?
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Ernest Drebbleson - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 04:15:53 EST G431o8lC No.57275 Reply
Cool fact: German tribes were big on Heracles.

Not so cool fact: Most sweeping generalizations about ancient Germanic peoples are horseshit. Especially the 'muh heritage' garbage but also especially anything that isn't very narrow scholarship.
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Ebenezer Fepperwater - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:19:10 EST XW/jiJlY No.57276 Reply
You can read Tacitus but it's quite obvious he just collected a bunch of rumors.
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Jenny Choshmod - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 08:15:51 EST BrfXiFVX No.57277 Reply
>>57275
>Cool fact: German tribes were big on Heracles
Did the greek have a lot of influence on the more north-eastern parts of europe?

>Not so cool fact: Most sweeping generalizations about ancient Germanic peoples are horseshit. Especially the 'muh heritage' garbage but also especially anything that isn't very narrow scholarship.

Well i was trying to avoid the whole heritage lovers, I hope there aren't too many here
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Albert Brenkinridge - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 20:54:02 EST G431o8lC No.57278 Reply
>Did the greek have a lot of influence on the more north-eastern parts of europe?

No. A few Greco-Roman dieties show up in inscriptions around the Rhine. Heracles perhaps more than any other figure shows up all over the place. Consider this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules%27_Club_(amulet)

As influence goes it's trivial. Germans migrating into Roman territory are another story. They were Romanized to varying degrees with some of the nobility learning Greek.
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Basil Tootham - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 10:44:01 EST lE3doHR2 No.57280 Reply
>>57277
It's more that the Roman's, in their histories, identified foreign deities with their own Roman figured. Mercury, or Hermes, the psychopomp was equated with Odin, iirc. Hercules would probably have been equated with Thor or a Baldr type figure.

This syncretic identification was by no means unique to the Romans, at any rate.
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Edwin Tootbury - Sat, 24 Mar 2018 05:31:44 EST PmmRJlWL No.57410 Reply
>>57277
Well for starters, "Germania" was a concept invented by the Romans. It was used to categorize. Most of these peoples never considered themselves a unified "German" ethnicity much less a nation. That would come later, much later. In ancient Germania, the carrying capacity was much lower than modern times because the forest sod was too thick to cut by the ard plow which was common in such times. Most communities were semi-permanent, and migration constantly according to the seasons. They stuck to morrane valleys, circular areas surrounded by a high wall of rock and debris that were formed by the massive ice shelves of the last glacial period. These areas were treeless and their loose soil easily be cut by the ard, but they lacked in nutrient-rich topsoil. Thus, they were not good for consistent pasturage, and they could only support temporary communities. The thick old growth of the European Plain, now long gone, preempted efficient communications between tribal leaders.

Altogether, and it's not hard to see how radically life could differ from one village to the next based on all sorts of factors but primarily resource availability. Due to the constant migratory pattern, tribes blended into each other and became other tribes. It's the reason we see so many shifting names in the Roman record. Many tribes rose, competed with one another, and collapsed during the span of Rome. And it's hard to make generalizations over such a diverse people over centuries of time. Much of the ancient Germans was built to be temporary, and much of what constituted their cultures is now lost. Many tribes only adopted written languages for purposes beyond symbolism after the fall of Rome. This makes piecing together the intricacies of their culture beyond a limited set of runes not really designed to convey significant information difficult, to say the least. Most of what we know was written by Roman sources, or written after the Fall of Rome. Never do we see a first hand account of living amongst a Germanic tribe in any of this, only third-party accounts relayed to people like Tacitus, who has spawned a great deal of oft-repeated myths as a result of this.

Significant foreign excursions into Germania could trigger mass migrations that threatened the boundaries of the Empire. Scandinavian and Gothic migrations triggered the Marcomannic wars, the Hunnic wars lead to the collapse of the Western Empire itself in time. This belays how precarious life was for the peoples of ancient Germania. Displacement from the best sites was fatal. Food surpluses were thin. This made excursions into Rome for the purposes of securing resources and better land advantageous. Simple excursions for livestock or supplies turned into mass migrations very quickly. In the Marcomannic wars and during the Crisis, Roman willpower was still sufficient enough to halt them. In the later 4th and early 5th century, it was not.

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