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- Sun, 29 Oct 2017 22:32:47 EST 6GEx+/2g No.57289
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If you don't think the US is the cultural and philosophical continuation of Rome get the fuck out of my face.
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Wesley Blagglebury - Mon, 30 Oct 2017 23:47:14 EST OONS0as+ No.57290 Reply
I've put a note in my calendar to check back in a year to see how many people necrobump your shit thread.
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Phoebe Honeyshit - Tue, 31 Oct 2017 21:30:43 EST rDLZhA7O No.57292 Reply
lol you are just making this connection? i had this thought when i was 11 or 12
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Jarvis Sackleridge - Fri, 10 Nov 2017 22:48:38 EST bx7hxACK No.57298 Reply
Nope, it's the result of European enlightment put into practice.
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Frederick Cripperdock - Sat, 11 Nov 2017 20:19:20 EST rbK+gS1r No.57299 Reply
As in they steal from other cultures and civilizations and use that knowledge to create cheap imperfect rushed low quality copies of the original process?

Because holy fucking shit, the Romans fucking sucked at everything except thievery.
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Lillian Blackspear - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:21:25 EST Gp+wMovZ No.57301 Reply
>>57299
What about building forts and roads?

NB because stupid thread. The similarities between Rome and USA are they are big empires with lots of roads, that's pretty much it.
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Doris Punningford - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:42:19 EST PmmRJlWL No.57304 Reply
>>57299
>Filthy concreteless Greek barbarian angry because his crumbling ruins couldn't last half the time the Pantheon or the Colosseum could
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Shitting Blackforth - Mon, 20 Nov 2017 22:43:43 EST 6GEx+/2g No.57308 Reply
>>57298
Aaaaaand where did the enlightenment and renaissance draw inspiration from?

Faggot
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Shit Gengerridge - Mon, 27 Nov 2017 10:26:18 EST kI8uAvwR No.57310 Reply
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>mostly descendants of Germanic and Hibernian barbarians
>speak a Germanic language
>mostly Protestant
>government modeled on Iroquois Confederacy
>generally xenophobic and anti-cosmopolitan
>weirdly sexually repressed and afraid of buttsex

Ehh, doesn't sound very Roman to me.
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George Faggleshaw - Sat, 02 Dec 2017 17:52:10 EST PmmRJlWL No.57315 Reply
>>57312
Nope. Most of the Greek philosophers were already studiously being copied by the Church. You realize how much Christianity ties into Plato, right? The "Renaissance" was predominantly rediscovering Roman art and architecture standards over a philosophical revolution.
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Frederick Worthingfoot - Mon, 04 Dec 2017 07:25:33 EST rbK+gS1r No.57319 Reply
>>57315
Great example of the Church being a buncho anachronistic retards. Plato was already outdated. With his fucking retarded forms.
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Oliver Bladgedudging - Mon, 04 Dec 2017 13:57:44 EST Xesxm5NA No.57320 Reply
>>57315

And Rome still mostly employed Greek architects. Also they ripped off Greek aesthetics.
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Nicholas Mammergold - Fri, 05 Jan 2018 02:13:15 EST PmmRJlWL No.57336 Reply
>>57320
>>57319
Mad gay-reeks still sore over their crumbing ruins.

>his buildings don't have a natural layer of cyanobacteria that secrete calcium and repair it from damage

SMDH
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Doris Blatherfoot - Sat, 03 Feb 2018 22:10:09 EST ioPy2PhE No.57362 Reply
>>57289
The USA has surpassed the SPQR by leaps and bounds. If anything, in the future, people will be calling themselves the "modern day America."
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Reuben Derringtodging - Sun, 04 Feb 2018 06:17:50 EST OH3HrZNB No.57363 Reply
>>57289
You are retarded. Oh what's the matter? You think Caesar ate fucking McCheese and coka cola frizzles?
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Rebecca Bloffingmut - Mon, 05 Feb 2018 00:37:20 EST wuvHqEoE No.57364 Reply
>>57363
Yes. Romans ate nothing but those 2 very real things, that's how the food survived in the popmeii.

I think the whole "continuation of Rome" think is dumb when any country tries to do it, the US is obviously a continuation of the British empire, Brittan 2.0, the sun never sets on the U.S. empire.

"Rome" died with Spain losing it's overseas holdings IMO. The Roman Catholic church was the last major power that was a product of Rome after the fall of Constantinople. The Vatican still holds some influence, but it's not the days of the Pope being like a defacto king of multiple countries.
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Phyllis Fankinkedging - Sat, 10 Feb 2018 15:27:00 EST PmmRJlWL No.57367 Reply
>>57363
Caesar ate ground pork stuffed into shitty coarse emmer bread, fish sauce drizzled over raw mussels, and washed it down with vinegar water.

The Romans consistently grossed everyone out in the neighboring vicinity with their eating habits into the Byzantine period (see: liutprand of cremona). They had fast food counters to deliver their shitty chickpea pottages and equally fucking gross fish sauce like Americans get burgers from the counter and drizzle ketchup all over them.
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Clara Burringchen - Sat, 10 Feb 2018 21:54:38 EST I7bx5dcu No.57371 Reply
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>>57310
Explain the bellamy salute and putting aquilae fucking everywhere though
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Doris Biblingford - Mon, 12 Feb 2018 21:16:42 EST pYW/9DNs No.57372 Reply
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>>57367
>fish sauce drizzled over raw mussels
I'm not seeing a problem here.
>washed it down with vinegar water
I'd be willing to try it if the vinegar was good. I've taken shots of balsamic post-dinner from time to time.

Unless you lived in the time and got to try the food and get used to it, you have no right to judge it. Archeology on food-taste can't even be called science. Most archaeology is just educated guess-work with very limited evidence, some of the "evidence" being evidence of opinions of long-dead ancestors.

Until someone invents a time machine, events that happened in that region will always be so hilariously blurred, especially culinary matters because they are subjective to begin with.
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Phineas Faffingchot - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:54:20 EST kI8uAvwR No.57374 Reply
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>>57371
>Explain the bellamy salute and putting aquilae fucking everywhere though
Trivial window dressing. Imitating the superficial aesthetic markers of Rome does not by itself make one the cultural and philosophical successor of Rome, not any more than pic related is the cultural and philosophical successor of feudal Japan.
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Eugene Fullerwill - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:19:20 EST zPITB8K1 No.57375 Reply
>>57374
you pic related isn't emblazoned on military assets, government buildings and courthouses, nor is it part of the state-authored indoctrination of every single schoolchild you handwaving apologist
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Polly Goodwill - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:56:45 EST kI8uAvwR No.57376 Reply
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>>57375
>you pic related isn't emblazoned on military assets, government buildings and courthouses,
Nice observation. Gold star for you.

And?

If we suddenly started putting kanji on our military uniforms and courthouses, would that retroactively make us the cultural and philosophical successors to Japan?

>nor is it part of the state-authored indoctrination
I have never in my entirely life been made to give the bellamy salute at any stage of my education. Maybe this was more common a few decades ago.

Even then, the mere existence of a salute does not mean cultural and philosophical decent. If that were the deciding factor, that would mean that my dad was a cultural and philosophical descendant of Rome but that I, somehow, am not. Since that wouldn't make any sense, that suggests that salutes are the not deciding factor here.

>you handwaving apologist
Apologist for the recognition of a significant contribution of Germanic, Celtic, West African, Hispanic and Native American culture than some long dead Iron Age polity in the Mediterranean that shares almost nothing in common with most Americans outside of a tangential relationship with some of the communities of NYC/New Jersey?

Okay? Sure?

????????
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Eugene Fullerwill - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:22:26 EST zPITB8K1 No.57377 Reply
>>57376
> long dead Iron Age polity
Alright, you legitimately just don't know enough about history to be involved in this conversation.

So although it's really tempting I'm not going to bother responding to your attempts at arguments, they're clearly specious so I doubt you'd sway anybody with that silly shit, and you're not participating in good faith anyway.
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Hamilton Davingfuck - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 03:10:07 EST QXkOojeI No.57378 Reply
>>57377

"good faith" i can always spot the whiny guy who drops this phrase when he gets pissy. as if posting on 420ch is some honorable gentlemanly pursuit restricted only to devout scholars pursuing the finest wealth of idea interchange rather than just memes and shitposts. lol "good faith" smh
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Polly Goodwill - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:33:14 EST kI8uAvwR No.57379 Reply
>>57377
K.

Bye.

Keep getting mad at people for being "apologists" for... something.
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Archie Gullyridge - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 13:50:36 EST rbK+gS1r No.57380 Reply
>>57377
Oh fuck off you goddamn 4chan immigrant cunt. Go take your retarded antagonist-posting somewhere else, you fucking cocksucker.
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Jack Clayhood - Wed, 14 Mar 2018 20:30:38 EST Q7nozEwK No.57401 Reply
>>57377
hhahahahahahah look at this brainlet trying to act like he knows shit.
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Molly Peblingkot - Thu, 22 Mar 2018 09:32:55 EST IPwOEHqI No.57406 Reply
>>57378
>>57379
>>57380
>>57401

Holy shit you are so fucking blatantly the same person it's pathetic. Literally nobody--and I mean in the entire fucking post-Roman history of the development of modern Europe here, not just posters on a history forum--genuinely thinks Rome is some irrelevant dead iron age state.
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Martha Pavingchat - Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:15:21 EST rbK+gS1r No.57408 Reply
>>57406
What are you even talking about retard? Fuck off back to whatever 4chan circlejerk shithole you came from.
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Edwin Tootbury - Sat, 24 Mar 2018 04:50:30 EST PmmRJlWL No.57409 Reply
>>57372
>You can't know!

I can read the third party accounts. And they're all unanimous: Roman food is fucking gross.
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Phoebe Gackleshit - Mon, 26 Mar 2018 17:06:20 EST 8ap7mKiS No.57412 Reply
>>57406
>Rome is some irrelevant dead iron age state
In the context of modern Italy, the rest of the Mediterranean world or the rest of Romance Europe? No, of course not.

In the context of the United States? Yeah, for the most part. Some of the founding fathers were Romanaboos, sure, and that's reflected in entirely superficial meaningless trivia like the word "senate" and columns on government buildings but that's about it when it comes to the culture at large. Probably the biggest direct influence was Cincinnatus's influence on Washington.

But outside of that, to the culture at large, yeah, it's pretty irrelevant.
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Jack Duckham - Fri, 30 Mar 2018 12:13:26 EST FThq+pRu No.57413 Reply
>>57412
Romanaboos... is too unwieldy.

How do you feel about Romaboo.
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Isabella Blunnergold - Fri, 30 Mar 2018 22:55:01 EST 2kVQJUZ4 No.57415 Reply
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Captain Obvious posts on 420chan?
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Isabella Blunnergold - Fri, 30 Mar 2018 23:14:27 EST 2kVQJUZ4 No.57416 Reply
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Those arguing against him, I do get his general point even if it's not 💯 accurate.

>Is an empire (yes foreign regime change neoliberal style colonization counts as Empire building don't bullshit yourself) that imposes and has it's culture adopted out of hegemony by other nation states/civilizations
>Doric and ionic columns on government buildings
>Senate system with a four year "dictator" (though primary power held consistently by select few pratrition families and individuals)
>Focus on machismo and populism in it's leaders
>Sports and violence are the primary "Circus Maximus" to sate the anger of the "Roman mob" (next to sex which is more repressed perhaps as one poster pointed out than in Rome OG)
>Budget mainly put towards spending on building a highly organized military force to maintain an over expanded empire
>Plebian classes eat shit and dirt while pratrition families drink fine wine and masturbate with their cousins incestuously

I mean you can apply much of this to any hegemonous empire like the British who we took the torch from but the cultural affinity for Latin architecture and use of sports and violence by the American empire is very distinctly Roman to where while obvious and cliche as fuck the comparison OP is making is... it's not entirely a non astute observation.
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Phoebe Billingworth - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 20:08:31 EST ZpkG4K4G No.57431 Reply
>>57301

They had paved roads in Mesopotamia millenia before the Romans. Roman streets look like they'd fuck up your legs after a few kilometers.
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Hannah Fonningridge - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 08:45:33 EST MImjvrC0 No.57432 Reply
>>57412
>we use Latin alphabet
>we use Roman calendar
>Western European languages are filled with Latin based words if not total derivatives of Latin itself
>Roman law has influenced western Law massively
>Christianity was propelled globally thanks to Rome
>etc

Yup, pretty irrelevant.
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Graham Bollyfield - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 17:09:26 EST 06Md2Nk+ No.57433 Reply
>>57432
Going by that logic the entire Western Hemisphere, most of Europe, half of Africa and Oceania are all ""the"" cultural and philosophical continuation of Rome.

Which would be such a broad and loose interpretation of OP's premise as to render it meaningless.
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Matilda Fuvingdag - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 09:11:51 EST rbK+gS1r No.57435 Reply
>>57434
But it died in one day.

When Genseric launched his ancient Atlantean warmachines from the Antediluvian age and nuked Rome into a different dimension with Eldritch reality rippers.
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Oliver Grimhood - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:41:54 EST /mZfItc6 No.57436 Reply
>>57435

they are making a game about it called death stranding
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David Pockwill - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 04:40:07 EST IlyKIasb No.57438 Reply
>>57435
Rome died over three centuries.
>brainlet thinks 476 was a date that mattered
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Oliver Furrystone - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 00:18:30 EST Ln/8BqTP No.57439 Reply
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>>57433
And what's wrong with that logic? By all indications, Rome was pretty singular as far as imperial hegemonies go, right?

>>57438
Or it never died, and instead re-branded itself as a religious hegemony which eventually diversified and splintered into multiple independent empires which each had equivalent claim on being the legitimate continuation of Rome, which was a semi-mythological distinction even in the time of classical Rome. The Holy Roman Empire only dissolved in the nineteenth century, only to re-emerge as the Third Reich a century later, in a war which saw the final end of the Ottomans, the direction continuation of the Byzantine empire. And the entire English empire drew its legitimacy from the founding of the Anglican church which schismed as a direct result of the same Roman bullshit which birthed all these other negros.

Now you can claim that all of this is so general to the context of greater Europa that it should be treated as distinct from Rome despite that hegemonic phenomenon being the direct genesis of all this shit, and that's fine as long as you keep an overall perspective on what went down, but it's not fine to pretend that all these parties didn't CONSIDER THEMSELVES to be the legitimate continuation of Rome right up until WW2 made it unfashionable, and deliberately reflected this in their national devices and traditions.
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Wesley Sarringforth - Wed, 18 Apr 2018 08:15:11 EST XVAFJun6 No.57441 Reply
>>57439
>By all indications, Rome was pretty singular as far as imperial hegemonies go, right?
Not really, no.

The most singular thing about Rome is that non-historian normies have actually heard of it.
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Eliza Fablingfune - Sun, 22 Apr 2018 21:14:49 EST IlyKIasb No.57445 Reply
>>57439
>yadda yadda yadda bunch of LARPers pretended to be roman after it died

Ceasarism is the death of Europe.
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Charlotte Gigglebury - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 10:57:19 EST hVN7XbOu No.57468 Reply
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Rome was foundational to Western society, but it is dead.
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John Shittingham - Sat, 07 Jul 2018 08:59:18 EST LOqox0NU No.57476 Reply
>>57439
> instead re-branded itself as a religious hegemony which eventually diversified and splintered into multiple independent empires

but at this point what is "it"?
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Ernest Sepperhall - Sun, 23 Sep 2018 03:56:35 EST MU/sd7Ce No.57527 Reply
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The neoclassical architecture and eagles... Yeah I guess it could be, with some modifications like abolition of slavery and equal rights for women. Germany did the same thing and got their asses kicked in ww2 and that sort of symbolism is stigmatised. The FBI and CIA use eagles as their symbols. Instead of looking for prostitutes under the arches at the Colosseum people look for them under bridges or online. It's kind of a Renaissance/enlightenment era thing philosophically. Can be argued that there is a parallel socially to Rome as a warring state before its decline, terror attacks sort of resembling barbarian vandal tribes sacking rome.
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Charlemagne - Fri, 14 Jun 2019 22:34:01 EST +S5ICo5n No.57665 Reply
Other than the superficial similarities put in place by Age of Reason Romaboo founding fathers, there's little to do between Rome and the US.

Many nations have tried their hands at being Nova Roma, and the only real difference between them and the US is that the US has succeeded in becoming a world hegemon in its time.
However, that only really started following the world wars, when the US was one of the only world powers not seriously maimed by the conflicts, and it hasn't even been a century since we gained that power and it's arguably already waning.

Mike Duncan, acknowledging this very issue, once said in his podcast that the only real thing that made Rome notable wasn't its political system, power or military structure, but the longevity of the empire in itself. A city, founded in the 700s BC, that grew to be a figure on the world stage four centuries later, and by hook or by crook managed to expand and then hold onto that power for the better part of a millennium, and that largely due to luck and the effectiveness of its few good leaders in establishing political structures that could withstand the blows of the many terrible ones until the next good one happened along to fix it.

Now, the US does have some similarities to Rome, but they are largely down to its creators putting a big eagle and fashionable classical column on the forehead of the place. It has existed for not even three centuries, and has been worth mention in a geopolitical sense for exactly seventy four years of that. In that time, we are only now seeing our first Marius, or Caesar if you need an easier figure, and it's still shaking out if the republic will survive that particular shithead. As in Rome, the Senate seems to need violent shaking.

Anyway, don't worry about if the US is the new Rome, because you won't know it in your lifetime and the comparison is largely of little use to anyone anyhow. Just try to keep it a republic for the time being.
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A_Wizard !cMZsY.BCnU!!vVWR8L52 - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 15:20:04 EST XsO0o/wD No.57667 Reply
>>57665
It hasn't been a republic since the end of the civil war. We're already at the final stages of Rome.... just wish we had Gauls and goths instead of the mess it is now.
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Fanny Turveyridge - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 11:08:04 EST WJ07taYS No.57668 Reply
>>57667
I get what you're getting at with this but I'm just gonna be pedantic and remind people not to confuse republics with democracies and functional representative democracies based on values of freedom and civil liberties with democracy itself

The United States is still a republic, there is no monarchy, and it is still more of a representative democracy than Athens was even if it's an oligarchy with 100% elite control of power and wealth.
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A_Wizard !cMZsY.BCnU!!vVWR8L52 - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 06:16:04 EST XsO0o/wD No.57670 Reply
>>57668
>people
Then why respond to A Wizard?
>oligarchy
That's honestly being too generous.
>representative democracy
Those are shit though. At least in Athens, they would leave shit to fate and chance, instead of mob rule... though this is pedantic. The only form of government that I genuinely support, is A Wizardocracy.
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Graham Pittingstock - Tue, 25 Jun 2019 02:59:08 EST n7agGXlS No.57671 Reply
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>>57289
As if the concept of a nation-state can be epitomized as one legacy instead of as many legacies. In the context of all the different waves of migrants to the US and earlier history when there was a frontier. (Perhaps the once ever-enticing frontier influenced the character of rugged individualism?)

Also, why not connect the inheritance from Rome to all "western" or "global north" nation-states. Or go further, tracing it to the Code of Hammurabi, an obelisk with their god handing the scepter of power and mandate to rule to Hammurabi, with all their written laws below. Of symbolic importance in society is the height of a structure. Joseph Campbell lays it out well by comparing institutions of governance to religious sites to corporate skyscrapers, reflecting their influence over society.
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Aitasre - Sun, 03 Nov 2019 01:19:36 EST wHI9PkXi No.57876 Reply
I stay out of politics due to knowing my older brother has a growing disorder. Due to this I was just wondering why his face was always glue to a TV. If you really think this is Rome 2.0 we will all go fucking back to being a perfect fucking model to our order, or face another fucked up aeris. Which inturn allows a bigger off balance to modern era war.
In my own personal opinion all it takes is to create some little fucking sense to make it for some people. Have good "repeat the search with the omitted results included" mentalitys around.
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Wiasterbai - Sun, 03 Nov 2019 01:29:35 EST wHI9PkXi No.57877 Reply
>>57290
Ayy bitch no one wants your wordfilled roman idealism, especially when people don't even want to know your absolute lingo pussy
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Jarvis Summlefuck - Fri, 06 May 2022 14:49:47 EST 6sJ1bLgJ No.58288 Reply
>>57289
nah, Rome was way more based, except the part where they just kept trying to split the Empire over and over like it was communism.
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Edwin Hondlewill - Sun, 15 May 2022 14:30:50 EST PW+avt/p No.58291 Reply
>>57432
>latin alphabet
But we use arabic numerals, does that also make us arabic?
>roman calendar
We use the Gregorian calendar, named after pope Gregory XIII, proposed in 1582 and not mandated until the 18th century in britain. It speaks more to the immense power of the roman catholic church than rome proper.
>western languages include latin structure
Among arabic, gaelic, germanic and various other structures, especially english. Why not go back further and say all western languages include indo-european structure, that would be more correct.
>Roman law has influenced western law
Sure, but that was our choice, it doesn't imply direct descendance
>christianity was propelled globally thanks to rome
Not really, christianity had to subsume rome first before it could become as popular as it was. There was a 600 year gap between jesus' existence and any real galvanization of christians in rome thanks to pope gregory I. Pagan romans thought christians were weirdos. Real celcus' accounts
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Rebecca Bronkinpare - Tue, 17 May 2022 02:13:32 EST wI2Kwzdo No.58292 Reply
>>58291
Alot of law comes out of Rome. Pretty messed up stuff if you ask me. Such as concepts of property and how they could do anything to their property, be they slave or object.

Still, I think alot of nation-states try to lay claim to past empires as heirs to lionize the government and by extension the ruling class posterity. Like claiming the empire will last centuries when its actually near collapse.
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Phyllis Blellerwidge - Mon, 20 Jun 2022 12:01:43 EST 1YXTA71I No.58293 Reply
>>57289
America culturally has nothing to do with Rome. One could argue that they have historical parallels, but as we all know the cyclical pattern of history is formed by man's unchanging nature. Culturally, America is what would have happened if Cromwell won. Despite the lack of Christianity in the last 60 or so years, the mainline culture has always been Puritan.

Even if the descendants of said Puritans make up an increasingly dwindling percentage of the population, Puritanism as a cultural phenomenon has given birth to the Leftist phenomenon of the 21st c., the Christian Republican Global Empire in the 20th c., and Communism in the 19th c. The Constitution was written on "Enlightenment" ideals, but those ideals were almost immediately bent or abused by the culturally Puritan electorate within years of its ratifaction.
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Eric Bugenhagen - Mon, 20 Jun 2022 12:23:38 EST dfT3+tBZ No.58294 Reply
>>57439
Even the Third Reich was the absolute direct opposite to true Ancient Roman values.
No UBI, no slaves, no state mandated land and wives for military service.
Absolute LARP.
User is currently banned from all boards
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Priscilla Claydock - Fri, 01 Jul 2022 21:24:00 EST 3teXvI1j No.58295 Reply
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Knights Templar are still in order and Rome remains the world’s most leading power via the Roman Catholic Church and its pope still giving counsel and meetings with every elected official around the globe. Including and not limited to, the POTUS.

entirely believable tbh
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