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Alice Hibbleshaw - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:25:30 EST C/SaHHe7 No.57767

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>discuss history with an American
>"GREECE INVENTED WRITING GREECE INVENTED CIVILIZATION GREECE INVENTED EVERYTHING PEDERASTY IS BASED" *picture of bust next to quote, black background*
>"ROME IS AWESOME ALL OF HISTORY HAPPENED IN ROME (except Greece) LOL PLEBS PATRICIANS PEDERASTY" *meme about some roman emperor*

What fuels this childish obsession with the last 800 years before the birth of Christ?
My guess is that this happens because Greece and Rome were the first civilizations that produced a large corpus of texts that can be easily accessed and read by anyone (i.e. you can read all the texts that Plato wrote, but the same is not true for some random asshole that wrote on clay tables in Ur) basically meaning that you can consume a lot of "history" without having to put any effort into it and never having to visit academia.

How do we put an end to the eternal American man child?

>>	Henry Buzzshit - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 02:14:35 EST lreE9IJ1 No.57768 Reply >>57767 dude fuck off, you're painting with a broad brush and p.s. your the dumb anti-intellectual if you think all American's are exactly the same as that guy

>>	Sophie Blytheway - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 04:21:37 EST 7dc0gnLO No.57769 Reply >>57767 Oh one persons impression of history means that 300 million other people feel the same way Seriously what is it with Europeans hating on Yanks on this board??

Nell Braddlestock - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:24:34 EST WJ07taYS No.57771 Reply

The explanation for why Greco-Roman culture is so paramount in the west is interesting and totally understandable if you're willing to look into it instead of just getting mad at uneducated caricatures.

>My guess is that this happens because Greece and Rome were the first civilizations that produced a large corpus of texts that can be easily accessed and read by anyone

That's a good guess, but not because of the elitist little quip you threw out afterwards.
The Greeks were the first in Europe to import Middle Eastern writing systems, that then disseminated from there. They were also an incredibly literate, intellectual society for the time, and also especially after the Macedonian conquests were at the heart of the widest integrated world system ever created at that point with a standardized form of their language as the lingua franca of trade, education and government.
The Romans who came after integrated themselves into this world rather than destroying it and building their own, by the end of the Empire the bulk of wealth and population were in the east where Greek was still that lingua franca, the ruling classes becoming Hellenized.
Christianity was built by Greek speaking Jews in the context of this wider Hellenistic world, the Bible was written in Greek.
Hell their distinction between the invading Persians, the Greeks they subjugated, and the Greeks they didn't literally created the concept of Europe or The West.

So then you fast forward in time to a post Roman Europe, with Latin and Greek literate educated classes, and Christianity as the be all end all of metaphysical thought and political power. With the unbroken link of Latin literacy in the upper classes the educated had constant access to Greco-Roman texts, when in the renaissance trade opened back up with the middle east and they got access to deeper archives and copies of lost texts they could immediately understand them and integrate them into their evolving traditions.

Plato isn't important because any Joe Dick can google it and read all his works in 2019, he's important because any Joe Dick in the 13th century who could read could read what of his works were available, which was a lot relatively speaking. This is the literal bedrock foundation of Christian/European/Western scholarship.
If you want to study the western world, western culture, western philosophy, western religion, or western historiography, the place to start is always the Greeks.

Dumb fucking Americans obsessed with getting a solid grasp of the foundations before moving on.
You might as well be bitching about the Chinese obsession with Confucius or the Arab obsession with Islam, like...yeah? OK?

>basically meaning that you can consume a lot of "history" without having to put any effort into it and never having to visit academia.

This is also some trashbag gate keeping bullshit, this is the 21st century more knowledge is freely accessible than ever before, and higher education both more inaccessible and less comprehensive than its been in 60 years. We don't need the ivory tower to tell us what knowledge exists, let alone what matters, we've got google and sci-hub.

>>	Fanny Grandshit - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:41:40 EST C/SaHHe7 No.57772 Reply >>57771 >solid grasp of the foundations before moving on. >classic Greece But that is exactly what I am talking about.

>>	Martin Meggleman - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:23:04 EST UrRT57DO No.57773 Reply It didn't help that Sumerians were only discovered like 150 years ago while pretty much every culture in the west was obsessed with Greeks and Romans.

>>	Fucking Cedgeham - Fri, 16 Aug 2019 07:37:31 EST rbK+gS1r No.57774 Reply Greek culture is basically just Egyptian culture except with less beer and more wine.

>>	Cyril Collermack - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 16:52:56 EST C/SaHHe7 No.57781 Reply >>57773 >150 years plenty of time to not be a historically illiterate idiot

>>	Augustus Hattingshit - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 16:40:21 EST jW/43Nkz No.57782 Reply >>57781 But the west didn't spent centuries cosplaying as Sumerians.

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