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- Mon, 13 Jul 2020 22:55:56 EST HjtA+9g+ No.58015
File: 1594695356579.png -(127498B / 124.51KB, 551x551) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. The "Confederacy"
>Calls itself the "Confederacy"
>Was not in fact a Confederacy, just a bog plain republic
Seriously, what exactly were they going for here?
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Walter Semmleshaw - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 04:33:01 EST EDZZZ3IE No.58016 Reply
multiple states = confederates
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Jack Sommerwitch - Sun, 27 Dec 2020 09:37:33 EST cUvyqSo1 No.58084 Reply
Well, Confederation might emphasize the greater independence of the constituent states than was in the Federal gov't. Obviously by the end of the war they became a homogenous fascist state like all participants of any total war
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Jarvis Greenford - Wed, 17 Mar 2021 00:09:56 EST kF7dRyZq No.58106 Reply
>>58085

Poor guy blessed em' so hard they damn fell apart.
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Ian Goffingridge - Fri, 09 Apr 2021 05:28:41 EST TNopvyeZ No.58114 Reply
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>>58015
I'm sure they thought state rights would be equal to the national governments authority or something. They never really had a chance to implement their ideal, just like all overly idealistic government systems like fascism, communism and libertariaism. They're all practically impossible to implement when humans are greedy, unruly and unbeholden to any belief system that requires adherence.
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Archie Chirryfurk - Fri, 07 May 2021 00:18:58 EST IlyKIasb No.58125 Reply
The Confederacy lost its airs toward states rights when it refused to respect its unionist regions like Eastern Tennessee. It was always just an excuse for succession, never a rallying screed that was intended to be followed or implemented.
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Archie Popperfield - Mon, 10 May 2021 22:23:36 EST PqIVyg6p No.58126 Reply
>>58125

and they carry on in their quest as republicans to this very day
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Walter Cablingfotch - Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:13:40 EST HfGIopxl No.58156 Reply
>>58114
Human nature is a myth though, plenty of population have lived in ways for centuries that disprove any inherent greed or violence. We're a result of whatever fucked up system we're in, and they all fail to whatever degree because the systems in place can't overcome their internal contradictions. Not because people are just shit or anything. That take doesn't leave any room for nuance.
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Ernest Fesslehot - Mon, 13 Dec 2021 17:42:47 EST 2n2vRbCp No.58197 Reply
>>58156
Of course systems are used for human emotion. It isn't the system thats the problem its the people on top. Capitalism, monarchy, democracy, republics and communism all have conquered lesser nations due to these forms of of governance being imposed by a more powerful country. The problem is the people in leadership, as in the bureaucrats, CEOs, kings, queens, Presidents, Supreme Leaders, Cominterns, Party secrataries, Head revolutionaries etc...
Anytime you beat your enemy you want revenge. Anytime one person is the head of any movement they take the lion's share of power. Look at stalin, pol pot and mao and compare that to hitler, franco and Mussolini. Same poverty and oppression of masses different excuse. There is very little difference in the elites across all time. Vilfredo Pareto's equations achieved special prominence, and controversy. He was fascinated by problems of power and wealth. How do people get it? How is it distributed around society? How do those who have it use it? The gulf between rich and poor has always been part of the human condition, but Pareto resolved to measure it. He gathered reams of data on wealth and income through different centuries, through different countries in two different continents: the tax records of Basel, Switzerland, from 1454 and from Augsburg, Germany, in 1471, 1498 and 1512; contemporary rental income from Paris; personal income from Britain, Prussia, Saxony, Ireland, Italy, Peru, ottman empire, the adab caliphates,Tang china, tibet under the buddhist monk rule over 9 centuries ago, the Mamluks of Egypt. What he found – or recorded – was striking. When he plotted the data on graph paper, with income on one axis, and number of people with that income on the other, he saw the same picture nearly everywhere in every era. Society was not a "social pyramid" with the proportion of rich to poor sloping gently from one class to the next. Instead it was more of a "social arrow" – very fat on the bottom where the mass of men live, and very thin at the top where sit the wealthy elite. Nor was this effect by chance; the data did not remotely fit a bell curve, as one would expect if wealth were distributed randomly. "It is a social law", he wrote: something "in the nature of humanity
Human beings are tribalistic and prone to back stabbing, scheming and conflict anon. We can't help ourselves its in our instincts. Logic cannot stop the gaping maw of human emotion. Those popukations you mention are too ruralnor primitive to understand such concepts. If you went to a rural amzonian tribe you would be treated well because they never knew a life of conflict. Once conlfict is known and understood its inevtiable to repeat. Same with african empires. Southern kush dominated norrhern egypt to unite the nile civilizations. Axum conquered most of yemen and souther arabia 1500 yrs ago out of need for more power and glory. Its not a racial issue, its not a religious issue if you realize neighboring countries war the most due to having minute differences in lifestyle. An egyptiana nd kushite basically lived the same lifestyle on the banks of the nile. The romans detested the greeks for their encroaching on latin lands in centralnitaly then called magna gracecia so they fought back and evebtually conquered greece. Neighbors hate eachother not for small differences, humans are hierarchical anon. We want to win no katter what
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Eliza Pockforth - Tue, 21 Dec 2021 17:59:41 EST /rxu15eO No.58199 Reply
>>58197
That's still an appeal to human nature. It's only further proof of the problems being inherent in their systems. Because the systems create the leaders and the tools the need to lead. I'm not here offering a solution, I'm here to tell you to rethink the way you're analyzing history. People, their cultures, their motives, their psychology are all a result of the relationship between theirselves and the way they create the things they need to live, the way society is structured informs the people it creates, human nature is to be what we're shaped in to.
>>58198
Absolutely ideological horseshit.
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Hedda Worthingbury - Sat, 01 Jan 2022 12:18:24 EST 2n2vRbCp No.58200 Reply
>>58199
We cannot determine our nature anon. We feel hunger, we feel lust, we feel anger, we feel power. All parts of our social structures were just attempts of using tribalism to fulfill those needs, some forms of tribalism like the peaceful one you provided work in very static conditions. But we don't live in a static world. We live in a dybamic world of changing situations. I implore you to analyze why you're appeal to systems being improved can change human nature. Whether we live in a peaceful hunter gatherer social model or a war filled expansionist system; certain types people will rise no matter what you do to curtail their power. At the bottom of the Wealth and power curve, Men and Women starve and children die young. In the broad middle of the curve all is turmoil and motion: people rising and falling, climbing by talent or luck and falling by alcoholism, tuberculosis and other kinds of unfitness. At the very top sit the elite of the elite, who control wealth and power for a time – until they are unseated through revolution or upheaval by a new aristocratic class. There is no progress in human history. Democracy is a fraud. Human nature is primitive, emotional, unyielding. The smarter, abler, stronger, and shrewder take the lion's share. The weak starve, lest society fail: One can compare the social body to the human body, which will promptly perish if prevented from eliminating toxins and inflammatory stuff. Just by competing for resources this was almost preordained to happen. Just by born different organisms we were always meant to struggle against eachother in tribal manner. Even in this debate one of us will eventually through rhetoric, reasoning or consensus building gain victory. So by all means give it your best shot anon, one must faill one must rise. Entropy the second law of thermodynamics demands it, not our logic or interpretation of events. If a system succeeds its more orderly, if it fails chaos ensues. The carnot engine law of thermodynamics states not all energy can be converted and some will be lost in reactions to the environment. We're doomed to fail as a society no matter how much we rise. What matters is if we live well honestly
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Hedda Worthingbury - Sat, 01 Jan 2022 12:21:00 EST 2n2vRbCp No.58201 Reply
>>58198
Not just will, also back room bargains, subversion, menticide, propaganda, just about any kind of extra preparation needed to rule a population including disciplined well trained troops to force order.
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Clara Faddlestock - Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:50:05 EST gqtTg54P No.58203 Reply
cuz they retards
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