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germanic

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- Thu, 01 May 2014 22:57:40 EST PE8s70rS No.11330
File: 1398999460565.jpg -(36709B / 35.85KB, 640x480) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. germanic
Hello /lang/

American here, speak english and farsi fluently since i was taught them very young, took german in high school for 4 years as well as teaching myself it to get ahead through music, movies, stories on the internet. I would say I am quite proficient but not fluent since there is always more to learn.

I want to learn a germanic/european language, I am conflicted between these 3:

Danish
Dutch
Polish (is this considered germanic?)

Which would be best for me to learn given my current lang set? My main motivation is for the challenge and since I know german pretty well, maybe i could get a bit of a jump start with one of these languages.

Also on topic with Danish, since it is similar to Norwegian or Swedish, would it be more beneficial to learn one those instead to speak Danish or just stick with Danish.

Thanks in advance
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Ian Lightson - Fri, 02 May 2014 06:12:19 EST NqJL1ymG No.11332 Reply
Polish is Slavic. It's like Czech, Slovak, or Sorbian, or to a far different degree, sorta like Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian, or even Macedonian, Bulgarian, or the things that Serbian is a part of. It's also maybe the hardest of all the Slavic languages to learn, in part because it's highly "conservative" (it's more basal and keeps a lot of the defining irregularities of the other Slavic languages).


Dutch is like halfway between Modern German and Old English - not Early Modern English of the Bible or Middle English of Chaucer but the old English of Beowulf (ie HWAET we Gar-dena, in gear-dagum, theod-cyninga þrym gefrunon...).

But its MUCH more like Modern German than either; Dutch is almost mutually intelligible with German, which is to say they can almost be understood by each other without the other really learning anything about them. Dutch is also kinda Frenchy - it's usually nasally and has more French words that German. It insists even harder than German on the uvular Parisian r.

Dutch also kinda buys you Afrikaans if you ever want to go to former Dutch Africa.

Danish is North Germanic - it's completely unintelligible from the rest, but German has areas where it gradually becomes Danish like it does with Dutch. But the language is relatively very different from German. It's benefit to English is English has a bunch (but not a whole lot) of words borrowed from what you can call the immediate ancestor of Danish, Swedish, and Icelandic.

Danish buys you about half of Norway, the standard languages being close enough in writing and speaking that they usually get treated as one language by companies. It kinda buys you the less standard Norwegian and maybe Swedish too, in the same way German buys you most of Dutch. Note that there's still a lot of differences, it's not like you just get it for free.


Polish has limited use, but businesses like it because Poland got the economic shock after the collapse of the Polish People's Republic. But I say again it hard.

Dutch has arguably the most use and is close enough to German that it's more like learning the differences between it and German than learning a whole nother language. It isn't as useful business wise, though working Benelux (Dutch+Belgian French) things is growing more viable. It's also mildly useful if you intend to ever try and work in some of the former Dutch African countries, like Namibia, South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe (fat chance), or to a much much lesser extent Angola. Indonesia has some work for it too, being that they're the former Dutch Indies. But pretty much the only things you could there they all have more than enough of, or are wholly academic like documenting Khoe-San languages.

Danish really doesn't have a use outside of Denmark, Norway, and to a lesser extent Sweden. Probably the least useful of the three. But you know Hans Christian Anderson.
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Priscilla Blisslefudge - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 21:50:15 EST rQ6ueb/t No.13076 Reply
>>11330
این سوال جوابش وایسته است روی نیت و وضعیت خودت ولی سودمندترین زبانی از نظر کار و اهمیت اقتصادی و نزدیکترین به زبان المان هولاندی است

دانمارکی ادبیات مشهوری داره (سورن کیرکگارد و هانس اندرسون مثلا) ولی اگر نوروژی یا سوئدی یاد بگیری فکر میکنم میتوانی زبان دانمارکی را بفهمی و اگر نمیتوانی یاد گرفتن او بسیار اسانتر است

لهستانی نمیتوانم چیزی بگم چونکه هیچی ازش نمیدونم
اگر هنوز هستی دوست دارم انتخاب تو را بدونم
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Samuel Chegglefack - Wed, 22 Jan 2020 09:43:13 EST U+RPs2IH No.13077 Reply
>>11332

Dutch is also loaded with Spanish words like guitarra. American English has much more Dutch than BBC english, like in use of thaler (dollar), stoop, or kop (as in coppin' dope). Once literally heard a song there named 'gleep-gloop'. Would double-plus recommend learning it on the ground if you have blond haar

Writing System Reviews

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- Sat, 28 Dec 2019 16:45:31 EST NdN6r1+H No.13064
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This thread is for criticizing and critiquing all the different writing systems from around the world. For instance:

>Thai Language
Okay, listen. I have no problem with little circles. I actually sort of like seeing alphabets that use little circles. But there is a point where it needs to stop and you've clearly crossed it long ago, Thailand. I don't know who told you it was a home idea to incorporate little circles into literally almost every single letter in your writing system, but they were lying to you. perhaps your mind has been clouded due to an excess of pad thai and ladyboys, but that is simply no excuse.
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Augustus Buzzhall - Wed, 08 Jan 2020 06:25:19 EST XylW+mGy No.13073 Reply
I'm learning Chinese right now, and while I'm totally not fucking with the handwriting at all, at the end of every year I always write a little note for my coworkers saying thank you.

A Chinese friend of mine was like "oh I think this will take you no time at all". But writing Chinese is fucking hard, so to prove it I tried to think of the most complicated alphabets I could think of and made a comparison between them

Chinese
谢谢你这学期给予我的帮助,圣诞快乐,新年快乐

Japanese
この学期、メリークリスマスと新年あけましておめでとうございます

Bangla
এই সেমিস্টার, মেরি ক্রিসমাস এবং শুভ নববর্ষ আমাকে সাহায্য করার জন্য আপনাকে ধন্যবাদ

Arabic
شكرا لمساعدتي في هذا الفصل الدراسي ، عيد ميلاد سعيد وسنة جديدة سعيدة

Yiddish
דאנק איר פֿאַר העלפּינג מיר דעם זמאַן, לעבעדיק ניטל און אַ גוט יאָר

Now, I'm fairly sure from all of them that Chinese is the hardest.
Japanese is similar obviously but looks way more simple and easy to trace. Bagla is pretty mental but I can kinda get where it's going. Arabic looks really weird but somehow I feel like I'd still get to grips with it quicker, and Yiddish is a cool looking language but also keeps it pretty simple.
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Sophie Blackfuck - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 23:21:17 EST mJ1DYqDG No.13075 Reply
>>13073

hey man, calligraphy is like, really chill. you could try it if you wanted to, just take it easy and enjoy the beauty and balance of literacy

How many languages do you know?

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- Thu, 19 Sep 2019 11:57:48 EST t0v2d9Gw No.13017
File: 1568908668004.gif -(4894719B / 4.67MB, 720x404) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. How many languages do you know?
I am a native English speaker.

I can speak and read in Italian but not write because I never practice the spellings.
Through Italian I can understand a huge amount of Spanish but sadly mainly answer back in Italian.
Same goes for Portugese.
I can speak and read a bit of german but understand more than I can speak.
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James Randi - Thu, 19 Sep 2019 11:58:45 EST t0v2d9Gw No.13018 Reply
I think I'll pick up dutch next.
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Cornelius Sopperlure - Wed, 09 Oct 2019 17:00:35 EST 67xJTozv No.13031 Reply
My mother tongue is German and I speak English pretty much fluently. I plan to learn many languages eventually but currently my highest priority lies on Japanese. Additionally I learn Spanish in school. Languages I want to learn but haven't really started yet because I don't think it's good to learn this many at once are Norwegian, Latin, French, Finnish, Russian & maybe also Chinese & Korean
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George Hubberstock - Thu, 02 Jan 2020 14:35:11 EST MNmYNAgC No.13071 Reply
>>13017
Native English, practically fluent in French and Persian, conversational Arabic

FUCK THE POLICE! In multiple languages!

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- Mon, 15 Sep 2014 19:35:08 EST vwn4pbtv No.11709
File: 1410824108119.jpg -(110980B / 108.38KB, 960x570) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. FUCK THE POLICE! In multiple languages!
Let's do something useful with our linguistic knowledges!

Post "Fuck the police," in as many languages as you can.
Bonus points for "Smoke weed every day."
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Nigel Bunstock - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 21:23:49 EST 8VO72n3D No.13030 Reply
>>13029
>Bonus points for "Smoke weed every day."
روزانه حشیش بکش
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Aston Lee - Mon, 30 Dec 2019 22:40:55 EST sT8wdRGE No.13070 Reply
>>11709
操他妈的歐美警察!

屌佢老母嘅的歐美差佬!

Chinese - Seeking Material

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- Thu, 22 Jun 2017 04:46:07 EST Gib9dqf+ No.12824
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Hey guys,

I would truly love to learn Chinese and think a good starting point for me would be to learn tones and the Pinyin alphabet.

I've stumbled upon material that did look professional, yet upon closer inspection some mistakes were present (pointed out by native speakers).

So that's basically why I'm asking you guys for sources you known to be reliable, where the pronunciation is spot on and where the teaching is hopefully dynamic and not too boring.

I will have the opportunity to ask for help from a native speaker now and again but she won't be there 24/7 for me. She will mostly review what I learned on my own and correct me afterwards.

Any other advice about learning Chinese is welcome as well. I am really eager to begin, I'm just not sure where to look.

Thanks a lot in advance!
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Aston Lee - Mon, 30 Dec 2019 22:31:13 EST sT8wdRGE No.13068 Reply
>>12824
我是一个美国华裔,我通过自身的努力学习中文,现在能用广东话和普通话正常的交流,广东话是我的母语,普通话是我自学的,拼音的确很复杂,甚至比日语的五十音图更麻烦。
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Aston Lee - Mon, 30 Dec 2019 22:36:56 EST sT8wdRGE No.13069 Reply
>>12877
你说的很不错的,我是一个华裔,从2012年开始学普通话,现在已经快8年了,因为我与他们留着同样的血,所以我必须要学会!我在美国人人都叫我Aston Lee,但是我想拥有一个中文名,不过中文起名可能更复杂,所以我必须要更加的努力!

Teach Yourself Mandarin

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- Mon, 23 Sep 2019 04:57:17 EST c91k9P2h No.13019
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Greetings, peoples of 420chan.

I would like to invite you to read this blog I maintain, a blog about how you can teach yourself Chinese Mandarin. I have always thought people shied away from Asian languages like Chinese because they seemed to difficult and complex. So I have decided to create a blog to demystify it so everyone understood how Chinese works, what they are getting themselves into and what kind of expectations they should have when getting into it. If you are interested in Chinese Mandarin, but don't know how to actually learn and study it, I invited you to read my blog. It's the first post, a bit lengthy, but very complete.

https://teachyourselfmandarin.wordpress.com

Thank you very much and make a good use of it.
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Cornelius Pondernune - Sat, 28 Dec 2019 15:44:24 EST 6Kc2jN7+ No.13063 Reply
Xie xie! God bless for you the good work.
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Aston Lee - Mon, 30 Dec 2019 22:28:03 EST sT8wdRGE No.13067 Reply
>>13020
我是一个美国华裔,我不准许你羞辱中国!
China is a fascinating country. It has a lot to offer the world.


The bible

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- Tue, 05 May 2015 11:19:02 EST v2a/POHn No.12110
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I don't know if many of you have noticed, but the bible is a very good way of learning languages. Maybe not when English is involved because of the archaic language, but otherwise it's more or less similarly translated in all European languages.
  • Many have a gist of some of the stories.
  • Virtually every sentence is numbered.
  • Its easy to find some story that can keep your attention.
Reading the bible is quite interesting in many ways even/especially if you're not religious.
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cursive !M6R0eWkIpk - Fri, 03 Jul 2015 17:46:53 EST CEs+htsk No.12211 Reply
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>>12110
so are instruction books and assembly manuals
sometimes menus too. i cracked the korean alphabet over kim bob
(it had each word written ~pheonetically in english also)
won't work with chinese menus >_<
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Isabella Bevingspear - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 20:32:51 EST ZHwh13Fn No.13038 Reply
>>12211
how did you manage to crack the language over that?
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Gyrstra - Sun, 22 Dec 2019 06:55:56 EST vDOp4jps No.13061 Reply
>>12110
The Bible is and will always will be a kings right of passage. That foul language is scrountiney to the ones truly deserving.

русский язык

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- Thu, 29 Aug 2019 04:57:49 EST ltItWifP No.13007
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I don't see a thread for Russian, so I figure I'd start a new one since it's my favourite.

I figured we could put grammar questions in here, along with resource requests or whatever you all want.

So if anyone has any Russian grammar questions I'll do my best to answer.

Myself, I am looking for something to listen to that's for advanced learners, but easy to have on in the background while I'm working. Any ideas?
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David Goodham - Sun, 15 Dec 2019 03:26:10 EST mJ1DYqDG No.13059 Reply
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ok we out here doing russian memes here
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David Goodham - Sun, 15 Dec 2019 03:26:57 EST mJ1DYqDG No.13060 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE

A natural accent that is offensive to people

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- Mon, 10 Jun 2019 06:55:02 EST Tt4QsqPp No.12995
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So, my natural accent has a lot of "black" sounding words. These are actually influences from the southern dialect, however, specifically south east Florida. I also have west coast American and Spanish influence, as well as influence from other regions like New York City and east Asia.

The thing is, I feel like I'm being constantly asked to adjust my speaking voice in one way or another but I get confused because of so many things. I don't expect some random person to understand my entire accent history or the influence of multilingualism on an English speaker's accent. However, I fucking hate the standard American voice I normally affect.

What's a reasonable compromise for this? Anybody speaking another language other than English have a similar experience?
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Thomas Fungernetch - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 23:29:57 EST Tt4QsqPp No.12996 Reply
>>12995
On top of that I got a fucking trenchmouth how do i fix lol
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Polly Pittdale - Thu, 20 Jun 2019 17:19:41 EST dm5Rt5Uo No.13000 Reply
totally unrelated to yourt question but i've never been to america and i have been told that i have a kind of bastard mixture of a generic east coast and southern accent lol

learn english

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- Thu, 05 Sep 2019 12:09:53 EST WCAUIA3M No.13011
File: 1567699793176.jpg -(78440B / 76.60KB, 693x448) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. learn english
Anyone here have any suggestions for learning english? Best methods, resources, etc.
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Fucking Favinghood - Thu, 12 Sep 2019 13:26:28 EST cyDkV1VD No.13013 Reply
>>13012
This is the only thing you'd need really.
Just read, hear and speak that's all there is to any language
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Jenny Claffingford - Fri, 06 Dec 2019 17:49:05 EST XF+KWAKG No.13057 Reply
>>13012
I second that, basically it is the best way to learn almost every language without putting much effort, but it might take years to advance on a decent level.

Learn Japanese to Survive: Hiragana, Katakana, and Kanji

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- Wed, 03 Jul 2019 06:05:09 EST bTT0lPs3 No.13001
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I know this might belong to the games board, but this is a tool used to learn language. I was wonder what the folks here who may have studied Japanese think of these games. I know they are just RPG Maker games but there is actually a lot of care and heart put into these games. If it weren't for these games I wouldn't have entered a world of studying the Japanese language. Because of this game I even bought a Japanese textbook and started to write down these characters forming words. But I think I am dyslexic as fuck because something I confuse the more English looking characters with English characters. I just bought the third and likely final title in the line which focuses on the Kanji. It was discounted during the Steam Summer Sale for a total of $1.79. I now own and have all three of these games installed. I like how it teaches the language using anime and JRPGs which just seems to make sense for a game teaching foreigners who might be familiar with the country through their media.

But I would like to know what other resources are out there that could help me learn this language better. I do wish there were other games that were this fun that taught other languages. It would amaze me if there was an Arabic game like these especially since I hear that language is hard as fuck. Anyway, these games would have a special place in my heart for potentially opening the door to my second language.
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Cyril Paddlekodge - Mon, 02 Sep 2019 19:08:26 EST fGqmwyu2 No.13010 Reply
>>13009
Mainly manga at first. It's a good medium to start with because the text is typically not that dense, the pictures help fill in context when you don't know words and can help aid memory, and there are plenty of easier series with furigana. よつばと! is a common beginner one, ゆるゆり and アホガール are ones I like too. Keep in mind that even "easier" material will be hard at first. There are also readers with Japanese short stories and English translations that explain grammar, those can be pretty useful early on. I also really like certain Japanese music so reading lyrics along with the music has been one of my main language sources. Even if you don't understand much it can help you get used to what the language sounds like.
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Henry Drinningbanks - Fri, 06 Dec 2019 14:27:38 EST 7B9YfRPY No.13055 Reply
>>13008
How come I hear many people who are proficient in multiple languages say that learning a new language doesn't mean having to spend a lifetime?
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Henry Drinningbanks - Fri, 06 Dec 2019 14:39:09 EST 7B9YfRPY No.13056 Reply
>>13010
Wouldn't the best starting material be something that introduces you to Hiragana and Katakana before you jump into trying to learn Kanji? If you can understand those first two then you unlock access to be able to use websites like Jisho.org efficiently. I heard that the website was pretty good for Japanese vocabulary.

Learn Arabic

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- Thu, 05 Dec 2019 11:21:33 EST QxDywCS1 No.13054
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Please join.
https://discord.gg/KNzz9Wk

this is a discord for people trying to learn Arabic.

if you are a beginner enjoy a bunch of amazing resources to learn this language.

If you are native help out anons and talk to like mind people.

Schwyzerdütsch Memes

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- Wed, 04 Dec 2019 21:08:53 EST 0qcjpleL No.13053
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Hat jemand Memes in Schweizerdeutsch? Ich werde ein paar posten und den Thread fortsetzen.

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