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A natural accent that is offensive to people Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Augustus Fimmerstodge - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 06:55:02 EST ID:Tt4QsqPp No.12995
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So, my natural accent has a lot of "black" sounding words. These are actually influences from the southern dialect, however, specifically south east Florida. I also have west coast American and Spanish influence, as well as influence from other regions like New York City and east Asia.

The thing is, I feel like I'm being constantly asked to adjust my speaking voice in one way or another but I get confused because of so many things. I don't expect some random person to understand my entire accent history or the influence of multilingualism on an English speaker's accent. However, I fucking hate the standard American voice I normally affect.

What's a reasonable compromise for this? Anybody speaking another language other than English have a similar experience?
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Thomas Fungernetch - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 23:29:57 EST ID:Tt4QsqPp No.12996 Ignore Report Reply
>>12995
On top of that I got a fucking trenchmouth how do i fix lol


Gàidhlig Ignore Report View Thread Reply
scumfuc - Thu, 25 Jan 2018 22:59:55 EST ID:tkutlT9X No.12890
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Scottish Gaelic, that's my next big language to learn. I'm well aware of how fucky learning Goidelic languages gets, though so I am not sure where to start course wise.

Does anyone here have experience with the language? What resources did you use?
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Caroline Pugglestone - Sat, 18 May 2019 10:42:06 EST ID:ENopw94i No.12990 Ignore Report Reply
Gàidhlig and Gaeilge (Irish) are mutually intelligible, but there are far more resources to learn Gaeilge... think about it

It would be easier to approach Gaidhlig as a fluent speaker of Gaeilge
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Hugh Mublingman - Mon, 20 May 2019 19:33:44 EST ID:ZPVXF58T No.12993 Ignore Report Reply
But I mean....why?

Well whatever, fair enough, I got taught it in School when I was young, I can count up to 10 and introduce myself and stuff, but that's it. It's quite a nice sounding language, and I guess it's sort of funny whenever you hear like "helicopter' or something added in because gaelic just tends to borrow new words than come up with its own.

That said, I lived in Scotland 26 years and never once heard it being spoken outside of the radio. You're talking about a very tiny number of people in a very specific part of Scotland who are gonna be speaking this, and even then every single one of them can speak English (or 'Scots' as they would probably prefer it).

I guess just hit up BBC alba dude, a lot of resources in Scotland get put into gaelic television and radio, so it should be easy enough to find. Other than that I've no idea where you'd start.
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Nathaniel Nickleridge - Wed, 22 May 2019 13:09:38 EST ID:ENopw94i No.12994 Ignore Report Reply
>>12993
>I guess it's sort of funny whenever you hear like "helicopter' or something added in because gaelic just tends to borrow new words than come up with its own.

oh yeah, the ancient anglo-saxon word "helicopter"... it's a French word you potato, every language on this earth borrows words from others, not just gaelic ones.


Languages that were made Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Angus Honeystock - Tue, 07 Jul 2015 19:53:40 EST ID:EoH94fyh No.12212
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I'm talking about languages that were created with a set purpose in mind, like how Esperanto was created to make an easy to learn politically void language.
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Ian Churringhot - Wed, 08 Jul 2015 14:48:05 EST ID:Um8X0j4z No.12213 Ignore Report Reply
Klingon. I can tell this is going to be a great thread.
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silent protagonist - Sun, 12 Jul 2015 04:25:59 EST ID:UHqlMrNr No.12220 Ignore Report Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Fucking Neblingwill - Sat, 18 May 2019 14:03:09 EST ID:HYwS9QtT No.12992 Ignore Report Reply
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>>12220
Funny anecdote:

My L1 is Spanish and I had read some LoTR in Spanish as a kid and it somehow didn’t seduce me. Some years later my English level was good enough to try to get into Tolkien and I loved every bit of it. Then I compared some things between the English original texts and my Spanish translations and confirmed how awful translations can be.

Comparing this image in particular (the Doors of Durin) in my Spanish edition –pic related–, I found that the Sindarin word “pedo” (‘speak / say!’, as in a command) in the bottom text had been changed to “podo” as a censorship move, since “pedo” means ‘fart’ in Spanish (you can even see the difference in the line’s width!), but if you read the tengwar –Elvish letters– in the Doors’ arch you’ll still get the original word.

Just to honor the truth I must say the publisher is Ediciones Minotauro and the translators are Matilde Horne, Luis Domènech and Rubén Masera.


Odd one out? Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Frederick Pockhood - Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:51:51 EST ID:O7izd8Qx No.12512
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So, you're in a room with all people who speak Portuguese and English, but you only speak English. You're an outsider to the group, just dropping in. Someone's about to speak, and asks, "Everyone speaks Portuguese here, right?" clearly preferring to speak Portuguese.

Do you pipe up to have him speak English so you understand or sit there staring at your phone for the 15 minutes he's talking?
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Edward Mandlechare - Mon, 18 Jan 2016 11:06:13 EST ID:1LiA1e5d No.12529 Ignore Report Reply
>>12512

I'd stop being so lazy and just learn one of the two languages. They are both easy. If you are going to spend 15 minutes on your phone get memrise.
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Sophie Turveyson - Sun, 14 Feb 2016 21:16:29 EST ID:IJt0Suyt No.12547 Ignore Report Reply
If it's a one time meeting definitely just ask them to speak English for you. If this is a group you're a part of, ask them to speak English for now, but make a serious effort to learn some Portuguese if that's the first language of everyone in the group.
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Fucking Neblingwill - Sat, 18 May 2019 13:33:12 EST ID:HYwS9QtT No.12991 Ignore Report Reply
>>12512
I swear to God that dog has a boner.


German Ignore Report View Thread Reply
George Bocklehire - Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:28:31 EST ID:4+gZeHsc No.12908
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I'd like to learn German. Dutch is my native tongue but i don't really know German except for the resembling words.

Any good sites/resources to learn one of the most beautiful languages in the world?
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Ebenezer Furringford - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 04:19:30 EST ID:XCp5GUmm No.12975 Ignore Report Reply
On the off chance that you're on linux, there's this great and quick german/english-focused word lookup program called "ding" that really saves time having to look up a word in a dictionary while also being much more accurate than google translate (as it's only single words, not sentences).
https://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~fri/ding/
And a tip for german media, a whisky stores channel with loads of whiskey reviews in german (they have an english spoken channel as well which is how I found it).
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheWhiskyStore/videos
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Betsy Blathershaw - Thu, 04 Apr 2019 14:39:53 EST ID:529/nHGj No.12981 Ignore Report Reply
Don't use German imageboards for learning the language. They all use a retarded meme speak that normal Germans would never understand.
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Clara Dussleford - Fri, 17 May 2019 00:37:36 EST ID:TQJQm9/w No.12989 Ignore Report Reply
>>12908
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOxxUKrmNkI


FUCK THE POLICE! In multiple languages! Ignore Report View Thread Reply
David Deshduck - Mon, 15 Sep 2014 19:35:08 EST ID:vwn4pbtv No.11709
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Let's do something useful with our linguistic knowledges!

Post "Fuck the police," in as many languages as you can.
Bonus points for "Smoke weed every day."
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Isabella Worthingman - Sat, 30 Mar 2019 08:20:20 EST ID:N1EjdgxF No.12978 Ignore Report Reply
>fuck the police
Дa eбa пoлициятa
Γάμω την αστυνομία
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Wed, 08 May 2019 17:05:09 EST ID:Nu10t/Ag No.12986 Report Reply
In Indonesian: Bercinta Dengan Polisi
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Edward Suddleford - Sun, 12 May 2019 21:49:52 EST ID:p2dnXnUA No.12987 Ignore Report Reply
Que se foda a policia

or

Que se foda a bófia

if you wanna go full slang


Spanish Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Ura - Fri, 28 Apr 2017 12:35:29 EST ID:Xpje7wF2 No.12811
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I need some good Spanish music to listen to. I will literally accept ANYTHING that is NOT mariachi. I'm sick of that garbage.

Necesito una buena música española para escuchar. Literalmente aceptaré cualquier cosa que no sea mariachi. Estoy harto de esa basura.
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Esther Gissledock - Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:20:19 EST ID:/x0bvHS7 No.12983 Ignore Report Reply
Hey Spanish speakers!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NW1MG8Uc2g

Is this person a native speaker? They have a really really strong English-speaker accent, but then I was thinking... maybe a lot of second generation Spanish Speakers speak Spanish with so many people who learned it as a second language that they end up talking like non-natives?
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Basil Ceggleford - Wed, 24 Apr 2019 20:11:15 EST ID:ugdUInNM No.12984 Ignore Report Reply
What's the most effective way to go from "I took Spanish for a few years in high school and then took two semesters of it in college" to being able to watch lucha libre and consistently understand the commentary and promos?
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Thomas Fiffingnare - Sat, 27 Apr 2019 16:06:52 EST ID:iyRDvOax No.12985 Ignore Report Reply
study every day, include listening exercises in your study routine


Learning Italian at home Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Phineas Blackleman - Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:33:27 EST ID:IAKVe98s No.12687
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Any advice for learning Italian at home?
I won't have a lot of time to spend on it maybe an hour a night.
I would like to be able to have intermediate conversational level.
Any useful websites or textbooks?
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Betsy Crunnerville - Fri, 11 Nov 2016 19:22:39 EST ID:NZmMur/5 No.12712 Ignore Report Reply
>>12687
Future learn has some free courses on it at the moment.
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Walter Goodcocke - Tue, 09 Apr 2019 11:18:30 EST ID:N5Ky0Fnn No.12982 Ignore Report Reply
Try Duolingo.


Chinese - Seeking Material Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Shit Bardfoot - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 04:46:07 EST ID:Gib9dqf+ No.12824
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Hey guys,

I would truly love to learn Chinese and think a good starting point for me would be to learn tones and the Pinyin alphabet.

I've stumbled upon material that did look professional, yet upon closer inspection some mistakes were present (pointed out by native speakers).

So that's basically why I'm asking you guys for sources you known to be reliable, where the pronunciation is spot on and where the teaching is hopefully dynamic and not too boring.

I will have the opportunity to ask for help from a native speaker now and again but she won't be there 24/7 for me. She will mostly review what I learned on my own and correct me afterwards.

Any other advice about learning Chinese is welcome as well. I am really eager to begin, I'm just not sure where to look.

Thanks a lot in advance!
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Betsy Fallyford - Tue, 23 Oct 2018 14:41:31 EST ID:WWuykEgE No.12960 Ignore Report Reply
So it's me, the person who made this post >>12878
Just want to kinda redact what I said somewhat.
>There is very little room for error on tone, and people will not use context to deduce your intended meaning.
>This is exactly what I've heard. It's spelled similar in pinyin but the Chinese won't work out what you mean if the tone is off.
That was what I heard, but actually people can understand you if you get the tones off, obviously they are important but it's not as severe as I or that poster made out.

In terms for people saying Pinyin is bullshit, by all means go straight into characters and start learning them right away, but to put it simply you're going to NEED Pinyin in the beginning. All of the dictionaries use it and you're just making a monumental task even more difficult if you try and learn chinese without it.

And for what it's worth, chinese childrens books usually contain the pinyin below the characters, so it is something that is known here.

Putting it out there that pimsleur is great too, if you want to torrent those.
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Nicholas Murdfuck - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 03:46:58 EST ID:OlD8+wUh No.12979 Ignore Report Reply
Native Mandarin speaker here, as well speak/understand somewhat a few dialects.

With all Chinese languages/dialects, you're really going to have to get your tones down before and it gets trickier practicing it with locals since there's also accents to get past.

All in all, I'd say drill the 4 tones into you first, while working on your pin yin, with a different word you'd intend to say with each tone.

Like idk, for example:
fen1 (seperate/divide) - (分)开, fenkai
fen2 (grave) - (坟)墓, fenmu
fen3 (powder) - 面(粉), mianfen
fen4 (anger) - (愤)怒 , fennu

Do this with whatever pinyin you want, because I mean for myself and other native speakers I know, we don't think about the tones because we all already know it by heart, but if you were to ask us, we have to work backwards kind of in this way to figure out what tone we're looking for.

As for building vocabulary, I'm not certain how to go about teaching this or helping somebody learn for Mandarin, but when I was picking up Japanese, I subscribed to a Kanji of the Day newsletter and learnt the pronunciations from there, as well as the ways to use it, although having a background in Mandarin might have helped make it much easier.

Anyway, here's a link to a Mandarin word of the day website, so you could see if it works for you, it also comes with the pinyin and tones so you can use it in tandem with what I've mentioned above to both build your tonal foundations as well as your vocabulary at the same time.

Aside from that well, I'm not sure if writing is of any concern for you, but there's no easy way to learn that other than to get one of those massively traumatic 习字 books and slog away, I'd say give it pass unless you want to be hardcore. I'm Chinese and I don't even like that shit.

One last small tip, when typing Mandarin with pinyin, words like 女人(nü ren) are registered as "nv ren".

Pinyin's fucking great.
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Nicholas Murdfuck - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 03:47:44 EST ID:OlD8+wUh No.12980 Ignore Report Reply
>>12979
forgot the link nb
https://www.transparent.com/word-of-the-day/today/chinese.html


Duolinguo Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Nathaniel Drorryhood - Mon, 13 Aug 2018 21:18:54 EST ID:Y/6xwwJi No.12947
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I'm learning like ten languages in Duolinguo, between the app and the website I spend a few hours a day at it intermittently and it's getting really easy to get good at speaking a lot of languages.

Anhybody have tips or other languages for learning massive amounts of vocab and grammer?
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Cyril Famblededging - Mon, 25 Feb 2019 19:59:32 EST ID:Y/6xwwJi No.12967 Ignore Report Reply
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I started using duolingo for Klingon and it’s actually a nifty little app, I’m like lvl 25 on Spanish and where else can you study Welsch?
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:56:42 EST ID:qyX9aeOr No.12973 Report Reply
I do like it more than Rosetta Stone tbh. I’m actually using Duolingo right now to learn Indonesian and I like the app’s interface and it makes learning a new language not seem so boring.
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CrazyFolksTribe !owU3wSU682 - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 13:57:45 EST ID:zqPHlfAq No.12977 Ignore Report Reply
Read foreign Wikipedia articles on subjects that interest you and listen to music in those languages too. Songs tend to use looser grammar and more colloquialisms / slang than articles, books, or speeches, so they'll teach you things that Duolingo doesn't really focus on.


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Joseph Stalin - Wed, 08 Apr 2015 19:21:57 EST ID:x4iOujrH No.12057
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What the best and easiest way to learn Spanish?
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Angus Chindlekick - Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:42:24 EST ID:YUYgxr2I No.12956 Ignore Report Reply
>>12876

Also what happens when the children are most comfortable speaking English but still speak with their parents in both languages
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Walter Hillywill - Mon, 01 Oct 2018 18:54:30 EST ID:gKPuW1kH No.12957 Ignore Report Reply
>>12872
>>12875
>>12880

Native spanish speaker here... that's atrocious and the first time I've read caribbean spanish (dropping every consonant possible, mixing genders and code switching whenever). I wish we could call caribbean spanish a dialect, that way I can disregard everything my brain is currently cataloguing as a near illiterate level mistake.

btw it's barely intelligible, half the time I struggle to understand wtf they're saying. it's easier to understand argentinians and nearby cultures because even though they deviate quite a lot from standard spanish their variety is actually pretty systematic and they write the way they speak always using standard spanish grammatical rules.

BUT going back to the subject immersion is usually a very good idea, for any language.
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Hannah Smallville - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 12:50:32 EST ID:dJndZiUm No.12958 Ignore Report Reply
>>12195
This.


Or Else It Gets the Hose Again Ignore Report View Thread Reply
CrazyFolksTribe !owU3wSU682 - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 02:13:04 EST ID:XS8FLVXN No.12898
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I'm looking for a synonym of 'get' which implies that the object or action is received unintentionally, or that it's undesired. Does such a verb exist in English? Yes, I checked the thesaurus, but I didn't find anything that satisfied me.

The closest word I can think of is 'take' as in, "The car really took a beating this winter." But it just doesn't usually work outside of idioms like 'take a beating/licking'.
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Fanny Biffingkire - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 03:46:30 EST ID:pfV1k0Io No.12936 Ignore Report Reply
Depends on the object received.

There's no word that specifically contrasts "get" with "get unintentionally" as in some prefixing languages.

cost are incurred
beatings are suffered
gifts are received
hits are delivered

Strictly speaking, received is just the French parallel of Saxon get. They're still almost entirely interchangeable although gotten is rarer in the passive voice than received.
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Angus Hicklespear - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 04:54:01 EST ID:AuSQ7OmV No.12941 Ignore Report Reply
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isn't get the one that implies it's unintentional or undesired? take is the one that makes it seem intended and using it ironically implies the lack of intent. is there some word parallel like this in some other language that you're trying to match in english?
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Cornelius Gooddock - Sun, 12 Aug 2018 17:14:49 EST ID:t3GIWSES No.12946 Ignore Report Reply
>>12902

>hopefully I receive a beef bukkake today

FTFY, beef bukkake is delicious


Love and translation Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Hugh Hollerson - Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:10:55 EST ID:FtaZu9oV No.12945
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Good evening chums, i know this is not a music board, but my headache is not coursed by sound but by my lack of linguistic insight.

I want to know the lyrics to this song. because i wanna sing it. Google is not my friend in this situation. Can anyone here make out what Sublime is singing and perhaps write it down for me? in french or in english, anything goes.

Do links work fml
Subline & Yun Miyake - Lúdic


Semantic Domains Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Henry Dartforth - Sun, 13 May 2018 00:02:52 EST ID:tkutlT9X No.12920
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So, what's a better semantic domain to use against the idea of Language Relativity than colors?

I'm thinking emotions would work. They're universal, but require thought to distinguish, unlike color recognition, which is instinctual. That said, I can't really think of any language that distinguishes emotions differently than English and Spanish, the only two languages I speak.

Penny for your thoughts, /lang/.
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Fanny Biffingkire - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 03:36:54 EST ID:pfV1k0Io No.12935 Ignore Report Reply
Pastoralists have many words for shades of color. The brown, white, yellow, grey, brown range can be absolutely huge. As you probably knew, most color systems don't distinguish blue from green. Black, white, red, yellow, green-blue, brown are the most stable. Grey is common. Pink is rare. Orange is basically unknown. There are a class of colors derived from plant and animal products eg. indigo, marron, lilac. These are always young and easy borrowed.

Emotional states may be universal but only the basic ones have specific roots. The usual rendition for higher emotional states is periphrasis with reference to "heart", "mind", "body", "eye". They don't say happy, they say "heart-pleased", they don't say snarky/irreverent, they say "hard-eyed", they don't say sad/depressed, they say "broken-hearted", they don't say brave but "heart-y". Furthermore, these expressions don't always translate to the same thing. "Heartlessness" means cruelty as in English but licentiousness in another language (and also conceivably cowardly).

This way of expressing feelings is productive in English when we don't use core emotions, verbal roots or borrowed words.

Semantic range of most expression is relative. The question is one o f degree. If there is no need for something to be distinguished, it doesn't get distinguished. Thus, lots of languages don't create words for digits greater than 5. 10, 20 and 100 numerals derive from roots meaning greatness or totality. This isn't merely limited to intangibles, distinguishing between lips-mouth, hand-arm, hand-leg is globally more absent than it is present.

I'm not sure why you feel motivated to challenge this. It's just more parsimonious to be relativistic.
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Charles Packlefut - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 00:23:26 EST ID:7+szUJXv No.12943 Ignore Report Reply
>>12935
I'm no linguist but I was wandering around on Wikipedia back then and I felt a vulnerability in this line of study. I'm just some layman, I can't really look into this concept properly, so I decided to consult this board and hopefully catch the attention of someone who could maybe make something of this idea, or at least put my mind at ease. Thank you for that, by the way.

I feel that perhaps the geopgraphic locations where languages develop, and the circumstances in which they develop, affect the way certain languages categorize objects, and that no situation is ideal for preparing a language to be perfectly comprehensive when describing classes of things such as plants and animals. Not everything lives everywhere, do people who live far away from anything venomous, like the Inuit, have words for poison?

Because of this like, natural gap in our knowledge, people applied the words they have to new concepts and we end up with shit like the family groups of Wittgenstein. I wonder how much scientific progress has been held back by our inability to properly handle things that don't quite fit in our categorizing, things like Echidnas and suicide trees/suicide plants.

I apologize, I'm in way over my head with these idle thoughts. But I can't really be satisfied with parsimony in science. I'm kinda hoping that I can loop someone sho knows what the fuck they are doing into pursuing these ideas further, just in case I'm onto something here and there's insight to be discovered down this road.


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