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- Thu, 22 Jun 2017 04:46:07 EST Gib9dqf+ No.12824
File: 1498121167780.gif -(6308B / 6.16KB, 268x270) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Chinese - Seeking Material
Hey guys,

I would truly love to learn Chinese and think a good starting point for me would be to learn tones and the Pinyin alphabet.

I've stumbled upon material that did look professional, yet upon closer inspection some mistakes were present (pointed out by native speakers).

So that's basically why I'm asking you guys for sources you known to be reliable, where the pronunciation is spot on and where the teaching is hopefully dynamic and not too boring.

I will have the opportunity to ask for help from a native speaker now and again but she won't be there 24/7 for me. She will mostly review what I learned on my own and correct me afterwards.

Any other advice about learning Chinese is welcome as well. I am really eager to begin, I'm just not sure where to look.

Thanks a lot in advance!
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Nicholas Murdfuck - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 03:46:58 EST OlD8+wUh No.12979 Reply
Native Mandarin speaker here, as well speak/understand somewhat a few dialects.

With all Chinese languages/dialects, you're really going to have to get your tones down before and it gets trickier practicing it with locals since there's also accents to get past.

All in all, I'd say drill the 4 tones into you first, while working on your pin yin, with a different word you'd intend to say with each tone.

Like idk, for example:
fen1 (seperate/divide) - (分)开, fenkai
fen2 (grave) - (坟)墓, fenmu
fen3 (powder) - 面(粉), mianfen
fen4 (anger) - (愤)怒 , fennu

Do this with whatever pinyin you want, because I mean for myself and other native speakers I know, we don't think about the tones because we all already know it by heart, but if you were to ask us, we have to work backwards kind of in this way to figure out what tone we're looking for.

As for building vocabulary, I'm not certain how to go about teaching this or helping somebody learn for Mandarin, but when I was picking up Japanese, I subscribed to a Kanji of the Day newsletter and learnt the pronunciations from there, as well as the ways to use it, although having a background in Mandarin might have helped make it much easier.

Anyway, here's a link to a Mandarin word of the day website, so you could see if it works for you, it also comes with the pinyin and tones so you can use it in tandem with what I've mentioned above to both build your tonal foundations as well as your vocabulary at the same time.

Aside from that well, I'm not sure if writing is of any concern for you, but there's no easy way to learn that other than to get one of those massively traumatic 习字 books and slog away, I'd say give it pass unless you want to be hardcore. I'm Chinese and I don't even like that shit.

One last small tip, when typing Mandarin with pinyin, words like 女人(nü ren) are registered as "nv ren".

Pinyin's fucking great.

Gàidhlig

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- Thu, 25 Jan 2018 22:59:55 EST tkutlT9X No.12890
File: 1516939195549.png -(15210B / 14.85KB, 1024x614) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Gàidhlig
Scottish Gaelic, that's my next big language to learn. I'm well aware of how fucky learning Goidelic languages gets, though so I am not sure where to start course wise.

Does anyone here have experience with the language? What resources did you use?
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Caroline Pugglestone - Sat, 18 May 2019 10:42:06 EST ENopw94i No.12990 Reply
Gàidhlig and Gaeilge (Irish) are mutually intelligible, but there are far more resources to learn Gaeilge... think about it

It would be easier to approach Gaidhlig as a fluent speaker of Gaeilge
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Hugh Mublingman - Mon, 20 May 2019 19:33:44 EST ZPVXF58T No.12993 Reply
But I mean....why?

Well whatever, fair enough, I got taught it in School when I was young, I can count up to 10 and introduce myself and stuff, but that's it. It's quite a nice sounding language, and I guess it's sort of funny whenever you hear like "helicopter' or something added in because gaelic just tends to borrow new words than come up with its own.

That said, I lived in Scotland 26 years and never once heard it being spoken outside of the radio. You're talking about a very tiny number of people in a very specific part of Scotland who are gonna be speaking this, and even then every single one of them can speak English (or 'Scots' as they would probably prefer it).

I guess just hit up BBC alba dude, a lot of resources in Scotland get put into gaelic television and radio, so it should be easy enough to find. Other than that I've no idea where you'd start.
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Nathaniel Nickleridge - Wed, 22 May 2019 13:09:38 EST ENopw94i No.12994 Reply
>>12993
>I guess it's sort of funny whenever you hear like "helicopter' or something added in because gaelic just tends to borrow new words than come up with its own.

oh yeah, the ancient anglo-saxon word "helicopter"... it's a French word you potato, every language on this earth borrows words from others, not just gaelic ones.

Odd one out?

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- Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:51:51 EST O7izd8Qx No.12512
File: 1450648311684.jpg -(82844B / 80.90KB, 960x720) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Odd one out?
So, you're in a room with all people who speak Portuguese and English, but you only speak English. You're an outsider to the group, just dropping in. Someone's about to speak, and asks, "Everyone speaks Portuguese here, right?" clearly preferring to speak Portuguese.

Do you pipe up to have him speak English so you understand or sit there staring at your phone for the 15 minutes he's talking?
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Edward Mandlechare - Mon, 18 Jan 2016 11:06:13 EST 1LiA1e5d No.12529 Reply
>>12512

I'd stop being so lazy and just learn one of the two languages. They are both easy. If you are going to spend 15 minutes on your phone get memrise.
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Sophie Turveyson - Sun, 14 Feb 2016 21:16:29 EST IJt0Suyt No.12547 Reply
If it's a one time meeting definitely just ask them to speak English for you. If this is a group you're a part of, ask them to speak English for now, but make a serious effort to learn some Portuguese if that's the first language of everyone in the group.

German

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- Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:28:31 EST 4+gZeHsc No.12908
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I'd like to learn German. Dutch is my native tongue but i don't really know German except for the resembling words.

Any good sites/resources to learn one of the most beautiful languages in the world?
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Ebenezer Furringford - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 04:19:30 EST XCp5GUmm No.12975 Reply
On the off chance that you're on linux, there's this great and quick german/english-focused word lookup program called "ding" that really saves time having to look up a word in a dictionary while also being much more accurate than google translate (as it's only single words, not sentences).
https://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~fri/ding/
And a tip for german media, a whisky stores channel with loads of whiskey reviews in german (they have an english spoken channel as well which is how I found it).
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheWhiskyStore/videos
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Betsy Blathershaw - Thu, 04 Apr 2019 14:39:53 EST 529/nHGj No.12981 Reply
Don't use German imageboards for learning the language. They all use a retarded meme speak that normal Germans would never understand.

Spanish

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- Fri, 28 Apr 2017 12:35:29 EST Xpje7wF2 No.12811
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I need some good Spanish music to listen to. I will literally accept ANYTHING that is NOT mariachi. I'm sick of that garbage.

Necesito una buena música española para escuchar. Literalmente aceptaré cualquier cosa que no sea mariachi. Estoy harto de esa basura.
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Esther Gissledock - Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:20:19 EST /x0bvHS7 No.12983 Reply
Hey Spanish speakers!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NW1MG8Uc2g

Is this person a native speaker? They have a really really strong English-speaker accent, but then I was thinking... maybe a lot of second generation Spanish Speakers speak Spanish with so many people who learned it as a second language that they end up talking like non-natives?
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Basil Ceggleford - Wed, 24 Apr 2019 20:11:15 EST ugdUInNM No.12984 Reply
What's the most effective way to go from "I took Spanish for a few years in high school and then took two semesters of it in college" to being able to watch lucha libre and consistently understand the commentary and promos?
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Thomas Fiffingnare - Sat, 27 Apr 2019 16:06:52 EST iyRDvOax No.12985 Reply
study every day, include listening exercises in your study routine

Learning Italian at home

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- Sun, 23 Oct 2016 18:33:27 EST IAKVe98s No.12687
File: 1477262007926.jpg -(105792B / 103.31KB, 820x480) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Learning Italian at home
Any advice for learning Italian at home?
I won't have a lot of time to spend on it maybe an hour a night.
I would like to be able to have intermediate conversational level.
Any useful websites or textbooks?
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Betsy Crunnerville - Fri, 11 Nov 2016 19:22:39 EST NZmMur/5 No.12712 Reply
>>12687
Future learn has some free courses on it at the moment.

Spanish

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- Wed, 08 Apr 2015 19:21:57 EST x4iOujrH No.12057
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What the best and easiest way to learn Spanish?
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Angus Chindlekick - Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:42:24 EST YUYgxr2I No.12956 Reply
>>12876

Also what happens when the children are most comfortable speaking English but still speak with their parents in both languages
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Walter Hillywill - Mon, 01 Oct 2018 18:54:30 EST gKPuW1kH No.12957 Reply
>>12872
>>12875
>>12880

Native spanish speaker here... that's atrocious and the first time I've read caribbean spanish (dropping every consonant possible, mixing genders and code switching whenever). I wish we could call caribbean spanish a dialect, that way I can disregard everything my brain is currently cataloguing as a near illiterate level mistake.

btw it's barely intelligible, half the time I struggle to understand wtf they're saying. it's easier to understand argentinians and nearby cultures because even though they deviate quite a lot from standard spanish their variety is actually pretty systematic and they write the way they speak always using standard spanish grammatical rules.

BUT going back to the subject immersion is usually a very good idea, for any language.

Or Else It Gets the Hose Again

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!owU3wSU682 - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 02:13:04 EST XS8FLVXN No.12898
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I'm looking for a synonym of 'get' which implies that the object or action is received unintentionally, or that it's undesired. Does such a verb exist in English? Yes, I checked the thesaurus, but I didn't find anything that satisfied me.

The closest word I can think of is 'take' as in, "The car really took a beating this winter." But it just doesn't usually work outside of idioms like 'take a beating/licking'.
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Fanny Biffingkire - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 03:46:30 EST pfV1k0Io No.12936 Reply
Depends on the object received.

There's no word that specifically contrasts "get" with "get unintentionally" as in some prefixing languages.

cost are incurred
beatings are suffered
gifts are received
hits are delivered

Strictly speaking, received is just the French parallel of Saxon get. They're still almost entirely interchangeable although gotten is rarer in the passive voice than received.
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Angus Hicklespear - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 04:54:01 EST AuSQ7OmV No.12941 Reply
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isn't get the one that implies it's unintentional or undesired? take is the one that makes it seem intended and using it ironically implies the lack of intent. is there some word parallel like this in some other language that you're trying to match in english?
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Cornelius Gooddock - Sun, 12 Aug 2018 17:14:49 EST t3GIWSES No.12946 Reply
>>12902

>hopefully I receive a beef bukkake today

FTFY, beef bukkake is delicious

Love and translation

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- Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:10:55 EST FtaZu9oV No.12945
File: 1533226255121.png -(491604B / 480.08KB, 600x542) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Love and translation
Good evening chums, i know this is not a music board, but my headache is not coursed by sound but by my lack of linguistic insight.

I want to know the lyrics to this song. because i wanna sing it. Google is not my friend in this situation. Can anyone here make out what Sublime is singing and perhaps write it down for me? in french or in english, anything goes.

Do links work fml
Subline & Yun Miyake - Lúdic

Semantic Domains

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- Sun, 13 May 2018 00:02:52 EST tkutlT9X No.12920
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So, what's a better semantic domain to use against the idea of Language Relativity than colors?

I'm thinking emotions would work. They're universal, but require thought to distinguish, unlike color recognition, which is instinctual. That said, I can't really think of any language that distinguishes emotions differently than English and Spanish, the only two languages I speak.

Penny for your thoughts, /lang/.
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Fanny Biffingkire - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 03:36:54 EST pfV1k0Io No.12935 Reply
Pastoralists have many words for shades of color. The brown, white, yellow, grey, brown range can be absolutely huge. As you probably knew, most color systems don't distinguish blue from green. Black, white, red, yellow, green-blue, brown are the most stable. Grey is common. Pink is rare. Orange is basically unknown. There are a class of colors derived from plant and animal products eg. indigo, marron, lilac. These are always young and easy borrowed.

Emotional states may be universal but only the basic ones have specific roots. The usual rendition for higher emotional states is periphrasis with reference to "heart", "mind", "body", "eye". They don't say happy, they say "heart-pleased", they don't say snarky/irreverent, they say "hard-eyed", they don't say sad/depressed, they say "broken-hearted", they don't say brave but "heart-y". Furthermore, these expressions don't always translate to the same thing. "Heartlessness" means cruelty as in English but licentiousness in another language (and also conceivably cowardly).

This way of expressing feelings is productive in English when we don't use core emotions, verbal roots or borrowed words.

Semantic range of most expression is relative. The question is one o f degree. If there is no need for something to be distinguished, it doesn't get distinguished. Thus, lots of languages don't create words for digits greater than 5. 10, 20 and 100 numerals derive from roots meaning greatness or totality. This isn't merely limited to intangibles, distinguishing between lips-mouth, hand-arm, hand-leg is globally more absent than it is present.

I'm not sure why you feel motivated to challenge this. It's just more parsimonious to be relativistic.
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Charles Packlefut - Fri, 20 Jul 2018 00:23:26 EST 7+szUJXv No.12943 Reply
>>12935
I'm no linguist but I was wandering around on Wikipedia back then and I felt a vulnerability in this line of study. I'm just some layman, I can't really look into this concept properly, so I decided to consult this board and hopefully catch the attention of someone who could maybe make something of this idea, or at least put my mind at ease. Thank you for that, by the way.

I feel that perhaps the geopgraphic locations where languages develop, and the circumstances in which they develop, affect the way certain languages categorize objects, and that no situation is ideal for preparing a language to be perfectly comprehensive when describing classes of things such as plants and animals. Not everything lives everywhere, do people who live far away from anything venomous, like the Inuit, have words for poison?

Because of this like, natural gap in our knowledge, people applied the words they have to new concepts and we end up with shit like the family groups of Wittgenstein. I wonder how much scientific progress has been held back by our inability to properly handle things that don't quite fit in our categorizing, things like Echidnas and suicide trees/suicide plants.

I apologize, I'm in way over my head with these idle thoughts. But I can't really be satisfied with parsimony in science. I'm kinda hoping that I can loop someone sho knows what the fuck they are doing into pursuing these ideas further, just in case I'm onto something here and there's insight to be discovered down this road.

..............

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- Fri, 11 Aug 2017 21:59:07 EST h2SYV0kE No.12855
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Do we need so many different punctuation marks. Could we not use one punctuation mark. and the context would tell us what it.s supposed to indicate.
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Hedda Pishwater - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 20:08:06 EST j1bLKHv0 No.12931 Reply
When texting, theres so much you can display with emojis. Being ironic, embarrassed about asking something, saying something jokingly, being unseriously siggestive while still indicating a level of seriousness. I rarely use punctuation when texting people. Emojis to me are what indicate inflection in the voice. I think the amount of punctuatiom we have is satisfactory, especially with emojis.
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Fanny Biffingkire - Mon, 02 Jul 2018 02:05:20 EST pfV1k0Io No.12934 Reply
having studied monocase, vowel-unmarked, Old South Arabian epigraphy where the only punctuation mark is the "word" boundary

you can fuck right off mate

the more the merrier

Mandarin music?

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- Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:30:15 EST QpPIe/nL No.7196
File: 1342650615333.jpg -(406744B / 397.21KB, 1164x871) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Mandarin music?
I require music in Chinese. MANDARIN please for the love of God. I find most Canto music is better, but Canto is not what I'm learning :/ Preferably not pop music, its all I ever seem to be able to find.

Is there anything more new-wavey, like Neon Indian, or alternative? Lo-fi beach pop like The Raveonettes or Best Coast, rap, whatever, just.. nothing that's going to remind me of N*SYNC plz.

Is this kind of like asking for good movies from China? Not happening?
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Sidney Gadgefield - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 19:54:03 EST j1bLKHv0 No.12929 Reply
>>7196
If youre okay with rap then look up higher brothers on spotify. Shits fuckin cash.

Favorites by them are isabellae, aston martin, made in china (not the remix), and wechat.

Finnish

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- Sat, 20 Aug 2016 22:47:59 EST 4HnKYQAn No.12641
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I cannot, for the life of me, find an answer for a simple question on any of the sites on which I study.
I generally know when to use the nominative, accusative and partitive, except for the verb "to be." I at one point thought it would just be the nominative, ex. "Se on taulukko. It is a table" from skimming walls of finnish text, but I later read that the accusative may sometimes look like the nominative. I have no idea which case ending I should use with "olla" as the verb, and it seems so fundamental to everyday speech that I want to get it straight in my mind.
>inb4 learn a useful language
Finnish is wierd and fascinating, albeit useless.
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Clara Drubberlat - Tue, 22 Nov 2016 15:39:35 EST PZICZQ5a No.12717 Reply
>>12682
Also I think Iso suomen kieloppi is good. It's descriptive grammar for those who can read Finnish
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Oliver Brondlestone - Thu, 26 Apr 2018 11:17:04 EST VU9VXUdS No.12917 Reply
>>12641
Okay, I've been living in Finland for five months, so I know a decent bit of finnish.

With olla you use nominative when you refer to a quality of something definite (ruoka on valmis 'THE food is ready' vs ruokaa on valmista '[some] food is ready').

Also, partitive when adscribing abstract qualities (mun isäni on insinööri 'my father is an engineer' vs mun isäni on surullista 'my father is sad').

You never use genitive-like accusative as complement of verb olla.
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Alice Gezzlefuck - Sun, 20 May 2018 04:32:29 EST mN1MzBjb No.12924 Reply
>>12917

*mun isäni on surullinen
"Surullista" is something you usually use when you comment on something ie. This is sad \ tämä on surullista
Source: am native speaker but I have forgotten most of the fancy words like accusative allitive etc.

我们抽了大麻每天

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- Wed, 09 Apr 2014 03:49:16 EST wHm1akGe No.11230
File: 1397029756595.jpg -(37219B / 36.35KB, 545x363) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 我们抽了大麻每天
可以我们有一个普通化谈话吧?

我可以做的更好啊!
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George Clayshaw - Wed, 14 Mar 2018 13:17:09 EST mmfTNKPc No.12906 Reply
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>>11408
I was in the middle of responding to this but then I realized that I posted it.

Fuck.. nearly 4 years ago now
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Jack Penderlit - Tue, 27 Mar 2018 20:38:46 EST VsDbYFh5 No.12909 Reply
你好
我是苏格兰人我不是英国人我的工作是英文老师
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Henry Dartforth - Sat, 12 May 2018 23:08:20 EST tkutlT9X No.12918 Reply
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>>12906
lmao that slow imageboard feel

Kinda crazy how these places can be a time capsule you end up arguing with.

pic related my mind is blown

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