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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

Korean

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- Sun, 27 Apr 2014 14:06:26 EST fARQ5kmN No.11300
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안녕하세요, 420chan. 저는 한국어를 공부해요. 한국어 말해요?
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Hamilton Honeyhood - Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:19:34 EST NqJL1ymG No.11318 Reply
>>11317
Also quickly adding, the first Korean romanization system was made by a guy who didn't know any latin-written language and made the system according to a misunderstanding of how western vowels were written, and when it came time for Korea to pick an official method they stuck with it purposefully because it fucked with westerner's abilities to learn the language. Only minor variations exist between North and South, they both keep to that system despite a large number of more scientific or intuitive systems being proposed.
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Hamilton Honeyhood - Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:45:15 EST NqJL1ymG No.11319 Reply
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>>11317
>>11318

Found it!!! disregard my attempts at explaining the pronunciation, in school I only had to learn the alphabet's history for when I was dealing with it.
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Maury V. - Mon, 12 May 2014 15:21:54 EST Hd4I8QkM No.11367 Reply
안녕! 나, 저는 공부했어요. 한국에서 훠있어요. 미아, 한굴말 잘멋무합니다. :(

lil poem

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- Tue, 06 May 2014 04:06:16 EST zWxdUGqx No.11348
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I'm Dr Jekyll, and Mr Hyde, the doc ain't in right now, he may as well have died, some might say murder, some say suicide, I say heartbreak because she lied.
I wanted love, not for me but for that slut, so she could love herself and keep her legs shut, she doesn't get it, I wonder if she ever will, one thing's for certain, I will not love her still.
I'm so sick of this being how the world works, so many sluts only chasing jerks, leaving the realest going berserk, the games are easy but immature, I'm sick of playing, I just want to be sure. I want something real, I need her to feel like I feel, but she won't, her hearts cold like steel.. In the winter.
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cursive - Tue, 06 May 2014 12:27:11 EST wVsBYtdh No.11350 Reply
>>11348
i never lie. neither does my ex partner. she is having trouble finding love without lies now. i know that love is a drug and i love it when im high, when im crashing off oxytocin i get my carebear, my dildo, my god damned razor blade and change my skin tone though.

this is for you. thanks for sharing your hurt, but yo, let it go. what are you really looking for? be happy and smoosh with happy people while you both can.

if you want to give what someone wants to get that's good. if that person wants to give what you wanna get, then that's love.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRVOOwFNp5U
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Phyllis Dartwell - Tue, 06 May 2014 23:46:33 EST NqJL1ymG No.11351 Reply
heres my friends

Hong Kong Hmong Xiong Maiblong used the tongs with prongs to pick up the long song of pong champ Ron Wong about dongs thongs and bongs until the strong maybe Zhuong Aung Nagong Fong songed a gong to tell her she was wrong.

he dunno how 2 poetry
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cursive - Sat, 10 May 2014 10:08:44 EST wVsBYtdh No.11359 Reply
>>11351
theres that mandarin(?) one thats like 50 characters long and it's all differently toned Shi
about like a lion in a cave or something

and the the one about pi pi pi pi i forget

new world order of languages

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- Sun, 04 May 2014 21:49:31 EST hUPsbMgy No.11341
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The English language is just a mish mash of other white honky langages, thats why they call it the mashed potato johnson of all langages, man spellign is hard the rulz is weird and there are no gender differential words like "he" or "she" or "bitch" so how am i supolosed to know whos on first or whats what. i want us all to speak some other langauge, not spainish cuz i take that in high school and that shit fucked up my brain son, it was all like china did dim di cmibong, like dafuq. and not chinese because that sound like a bunch of pots and pans rolling down a hill, when i learnt to spaek china man talk i sayed ni how, yeah thats hello bitches, said in moon speak. what ideas do you people have for a world o language, i say we make it up, we just make it up and dont tell anyone, ok lets do it...
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Shitting Fanhall - Mon, 05 May 2014 07:31:37 EST JWfHUhIZ No.11343 Reply
cool story bro

every language (at least the ones that matter) has borrowed words from other languages.

english is still a purely germanic language in the way it forms sentences. take a foreign word, like karaoke, and you can make a verb out of it, karaokeize. I karaokeized that faggot.
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cursive - Tue, 06 May 2014 12:23:17 EST wVsBYtdh No.11349 Reply
>>11343
hahaha
the world is pidgin poop. languages are easy and we dont need one world language.
i beefed with an italian chick over this 13 years 4 months and 27 days ago and i finally got it once i ended america's xenophobic stranglehold on my language center.

every day it becomes more and more clear.. even two people using their native tongue have misconceptions.

twinspeak is really the closest thing to communication one can get and if you dont have a twin just take dxm and smoosh yourfaces together.

Tongues / Glossolalia

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- Wed, 30 Apr 2014 19:19:19 EST wVsBYtdh No.11325
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diKwMPfGY-U

Anyone here have it? My old F@#$%^ing insane boyfriend used to speak it and obviously i do too. I call it Traumeri Tongue, or The Language of Demons & Angels.

Recently I've been shouting words i didn't know in other languages when i train muay thai/kickboxing/wu-tang/shaloin and then i realized i was subconsciously shouting HADOUKEN, SHORYUKEN, SAGAT, and forgive me but, HET SAGAT BEROUKEN?

LIKE I KNOW THAT'S STREET FIGHTER BUT I REFUSE TO BELIEVE TO caps sorry i refuse to believe that fkn street fighter characters shout nonsense.
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cursive - Sun, 04 May 2014 11:51:59 EST wVsBYtdh No.11339 Reply
>>11334
yea, sort of. but in a made up language. it will occasionally conform to different gramatical/syntactical structures and use roots from my language bases.
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Graham Dorrybury - Sun, 04 May 2014 12:53:00 EST YCqAN8Xm No.11340 Reply
Those terms in street fighter aren't 'nonsense', they're the names they give the attacks. Hadouken means wave fist, and shoryuken means rising dragon fist.

I do wonder what your fellow martial artists are thinking when you shout those things.
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cursive - Sat, 10 May 2014 10:12:20 EST wVsBYtdh No.11360 Reply
>>11340
thanks for those translations. i never suspected they were nonsense but i don't shit about japanese really.

i don't have fellow martial artists, i'm a ronin.

french question

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- Sun, 04 May 2014 01:36:32 EST JWfHUhIZ No.11335
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So when there are 2 verbs together in a sentence, does the 2nd verb take the infinitive form? For example, peux faire (can make, peux is the first person singular of pouvoir, while faire is the infinitive)
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Graham Dorrybury - Sun, 04 May 2014 07:41:03 EST YCqAN8Xm No.11338 Reply
Je peux faire is indeed correct. Of course you don't always use the infinitve but sometimes the past participle for example. But that probably wasn't really your question. It's pretty similar to english as Cyril said.
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Nigel Wuckleshit - Mon, 05 May 2014 02:40:24 EST NqJL1ymG No.11342 Reply
Not that it's that useful unless doing mass translation stuff:

Rule of thumb: languages will do that when they have subordinate clauses instead of stacking phrases. The specific rule is if the language prohibits multiple verbs of the same tense to be part of the same clause.

Chinese technically doesn't, but it's hard to tell because the verbs don't change their form. Japanese doesn't either, though you can tell with it, and the same is true of Mongolian Thai Korean and bunch of other languages.

Indo European languages use the tenseless infinitive, so do the Dravidian languages of South India.


There's a deeper logic behind it, going back to what is actually known about what universal grammar there is. Doing the verb stacking thing puts a lot of pressure on arrangement of the arguments, but some languages have more agreement rendering it redundant. Things exist in multiple states but generally less marked tend towards the stacking thing while more marked tends the other way. But's its more complicated than that.

germanic

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- Thu, 01 May 2014 22:57:40 EST PE8s70rS No.11330
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Hello /lang/

American here, speak english and farsi fluently since i was taught them very young, took german in high school for 4 years as well as teaching myself it to get ahead through music, movies, stories on the internet. I would say I am quite proficient but not fluent since there is always more to learn.

I want to learn a germanic/european language, I am conflicted between these 3:

Danish
Dutch
Polish (is this considered germanic?)

Which would be best for me to learn given my current lang set? My main motivation is for the challenge and since I know german pretty well, maybe i could get a bit of a jump start with one of these languages.

Also on topic with Danish, since it is similar to Norwegian or Swedish, would it be more beneficial to learn one those instead to speak Danish or just stick with Danish.

Thanks in advance
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Ian Lightson - Fri, 02 May 2014 06:12:19 EST NqJL1ymG No.11332 Reply
Polish is Slavic. It's like Czech, Slovak, or Sorbian, or to a far different degree, sorta like Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian, or even Macedonian, Bulgarian, or the things that Serbian is a part of. It's also maybe the hardest of all the Slavic languages to learn, in part because it's highly "conservative" (it's more basal and keeps a lot of the defining irregularities of the other Slavic languages).


Dutch is like halfway between Modern German and Old English - not Early Modern English of the Bible or Middle English of Chaucer but the old English of Beowulf (ie HWAET we Gar-dena, in gear-dagum, theod-cyninga þrym gefrunon...).

But its MUCH more like Modern German than either; Dutch is almost mutually intelligible with German, which is to say they can almost be understood by each other without the other really learning anything about them. Dutch is also kinda Frenchy - it's usually nasally and has more French words that German. It insists even harder than German on the uvular Parisian r.

Dutch also kinda buys you Afrikaans if you ever want to go to former Dutch Africa.

Danish is North Germanic - it's completely unintelligible from the rest, but German has areas where it gradually becomes Danish like it does with Dutch. But the language is relatively very different from German. It's benefit to English is English has a bunch (but not a whole lot) of words borrowed from what you can call the immediate ancestor of Danish, Swedish, and Icelandic.

Danish buys you about half of Norway, the standard languages being close enough in writing and speaking that they usually get treated as one language by companies. It kinda buys you the less standard Norwegian and maybe Swedish too, in the same way German buys you most of Dutch. Note that there's still a lot of differences, it's not like you just get it for free.


Polish has limited use, but businesses like it because Poland got the economic shock after the collapse of the Polish People's Republic. But I say again it hard.

Dutch has arguably the most use and is close enough to German that it's more like learning the differences between it and German than learning a whole nother language. It isn't as useful business wise, though working Benelux (Dutch+Belgian French) things is growing more viable. It's also mildly useful if you intend to ever try and work in some of the former Dutch African countries, like Namibia, South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe (fat chance), or to a much much lesser extent Angola. Indonesia has some work for it too, being that they're the former Dutch Indies. But pretty much the only things you could there they all have more than enough of, or are wholly academic like documenting Khoe-San languages.

Danish really doesn't have a use outside of Denmark, Norway, and to a lesser extent Sweden. Probably the least useful of the three. But you know Hans Christian Anderson.

The Neuter Case auf Duetsch

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- Wed, 30 Apr 2014 19:05:42 EST wVsBYtdh No.11324
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neuter case in german linguistics; the gender of nouns is not random but it's cultural. das Kind is neuter because before puberty, children are really neither. That's why jolly african-americans piece their baby daughters ears, cause it cements their gender but... it hurts non-conforming or gay children as they grow up. Same with circumcision.

Getting into this mindset has helped me understand german literally fluently with regards to conjugation and nomitive, dative and accusative cases.. and now i think genitive but we never covered that by design with meine leherinen.

Western NY had some great german teachers in the state system.

Saratoga County had some fantastic ones as well in public schools.
see also: jeopardy one of the teachers was on there.

When you were a kid, did you have an interest in learning new languages?

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- Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:30:11 EST gHx4mwfM No.11073
File: 1392496211241.jpg -(240556B / 234.92KB, 489x725) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. When you were a kid, did you have an interest in learning new languages?
If so, was this interest encouraged and facilitated by your parents/guardians, or did they not really take an interest in it?

I was all about languages as a kid, but no one took this desire seriously. I feel like I could have gained tremendous leverage if my family had taken my drive to learn new languages seriously.

How about you?

Also, will you teach your kids new languages, if you have kids?
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cursive - Sat, 26 Apr 2014 22:00:34 EST wVsBYtdh No.11296 Reply
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>>11073
actively discouraged, and yet grew up reading tolkien with bio dad and watching indiana jones. no one in my entire family can speak anything but very proper english, once my grandfather died. Oh that's nto true, bio mother and family are american sign language gods, but they hated their deaf parents for it. guess they were looked at as cripples' kids in the 50s : /
>>11274
say that. please. mi vecina's son is growing up with english, spanish and armenian. older half sister barely knows spanish. she was doing french in her elementary and we sort of decided id take the whole family out for like ice cream and stuff if she could count to 10 in english spanish and french by summer.
once the magic is gone, kids kinda wall off other languages :'(
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NinKenDo !GEcKEyOqGA - Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:31:41 EST BZL5XxYY No.11305 Reply
When I entered high school, I wanted to learn Latin something terrible. My parents were hugely supportive, well my dad was, my mother never said anything about it. But there was never an opportunity to learn it. I went to a conservative, Catholic private school for the first two years of high-school, and even they didn't offer Latin, and they did not try and support me in my quest to learn it.

I still want to learn Latin even now.

As to whether I want to teach my child languages. Abso-fucking-lutely. I actually plan to speak to my child in a variety of language depending what day it is. So for instance, Tuesday might be Japanese day, Thursday might be Korean day, Sunday might be Latin day, etc. I'm not too worried about this being an issue, even babies can learn sign-language, and contrary to what people expectted, it made them MORE adept at learning spoken language, not less so, so I have no fear that running a multilingual household will stunt my child in whatever language they need to speak in their country of birth.
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cursive - Tue, 29 Apr 2014 15:15:29 EST wVsBYtdh No.11321 Reply
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>>11305
HOW caps on earth did a catholic school not teach latin? call the pope. lol not funny though.

ever hear of ~Low-Gothic? Kind of like a pidgeon Latin as I hear it. It's basically like doctor/dentist speak, if that makes sense. I can roll some of that with you.

I love the language week thing. remember in indian jones 3 where his dad makes him count to 10 and he's like... no no henry, in greek?

wo3shi4mei3guo2ren4ke3shi4wo3shuo2zhong1kan4(?)

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- Tue, 29 Apr 2014 06:10:18 EST wVsBYtdh No.11313
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spanish

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- Tue, 15 Apr 2014 16:08:56 EST UuZDX9ql No.11245
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Tell me why spanish is a wonderful language. I hate to admit it but it sounds disgusting and i don't get why people "love" it. Even though i admire every single language in the world spanish just doesn't cut it. Occitan, portuguese, french, occitan, italian are all beautiful languages to me. I guess media really did deliver in ruining my picture about the country and it's culture
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Cedric Fanfield - Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:08:58 EST oHL5a0UH No.11276 Reply
When I actually knew spanish, I found the vowel sounds "pure", like the "o" sound is always "o", and it originates from deeper in the throat then most english "o" sounds.
Seconding Victor Jara, and this guy
http://youtu.be/xD3G6eM3tPI
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Beatrice Cleblingledging - Tue, 22 Apr 2014 23:31:49 EST yjFWc2f+ No.11283 Reply
>>11276
That's the case for most Romance Languages.
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cursive - Sat, 26 Apr 2014 21:51:11 EST wVsBYtdh No.11295 Reply
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>>11245
well, cause after english/american and chinese, it's the third most uyseful language and spoke pretty much all over the w hemisphere. so there's that.

respect your opinion but ive never had anyone with less nuts posture at me harder than the french and quebeqois (sp?)
people think german sounds barbaric or faggy but i find it to enchant me. perspective on culture helps in all things.

Gamified language learning resources

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- Sun, 20 Apr 2014 18:16:48 EST 7CStOX/Q No.11273
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I'm highly susceptible to gaming addiction, and I've used it to my advantage in the past. I used DuoLingo to learn German on my own in high school, and I learned what turned out to be a year's worth of university level German in about 5 months. I've been going strong since then and I'm getting closer and closer to fluency.

But I want to learn other languages! I find the initial phase of learning a language to be pretty dull, but a system like DuoLingo helped me blow through it for German. Sadly they only offer four other languages. I really would like to learn Norwegian, but I can't seem to find any sort of points-based language learning program with Norwegian that isn't shit. Rosetta Stone is decent, but they don't have Norwegian.

Can anyone recommend anything like this?
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Albert Drondleford - Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:26:25 EST Z133nyOZ No.11289 Reply
>>11273
I'm always looking to use this method with teaching myself Chinese. I've actually started using Duolingo for German too but I'm sure I could benefit with some more "authentic" materials (media designed for native users).

For my Mandarin, I have downloaded a ton of old SNES rom games translated to Chinese. Since I've played the shit out of them, I know what the dialogue is about and I can quickly adapt new characters into my vocab. Comic books are also another great resource as they have a pictorial element which better illustrates the plot.

I recommend going to a site that has more Norwegian/English concentration (good luck) and hunting for resources. Also just having a hard nose for it on google.
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NinKenDo !GEcKEyOqGA - Fri, 25 Apr 2014 03:36:47 EST VKUrAz63 No.11290 Reply
iKnow.jp
Memrise.com
NihongoMaster.com
WaniKani.com
HabitRPG.com (gamify anything essentially)
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cursive - Sat, 26 Apr 2014 21:23:21 EST wVsBYtdh No.11293 Reply
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>>11273
forgive me but isn't there a Basshunter song about DOTA in swedish? Don't know the history of that game per se, but swedish is close enough to noreigian that you may be able to track something down that scandinavia is into.
had a fanboi from sweden who is/was super into warcraft.

>>11289
how's chinese going for you? was skeptical til you said you were playing old SNES games. Assuming you know the stories of those games well enough to help you. Chinese is SO contextual with so many homonyms (not to mention getting from written to tonal pronounciation is preeeeetty much impossible unless they use pinyin in text bubbles.

i played FFV on a rom YEARRRRRRRRRRS ago. long enough ago that i had to presume it was translated from japanese. there were lots of one word answers that just said "(Context Needed)"
i knew nothing abotu asia back then and only mandarin in parts now so assuming japanese is only based on final fantasy 5 being ~superfamicon only back then

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