Serbian learning View Thread Reply Hide Martin Blackshaw - Wed, 13 Aug 2014 04:48:34 EST MtHV5DDA No.11608 File: 1407919714305.jpg -(34364B / 33.56KB, 750x960) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Hey /lang/ I'm wondering if there's any good way to learn Serbian. I know it's incredibly similar to Croatian and Bosnian when it comes to spelling in the latin alphabet but it's still dissimilar to English. I was thinking if I learn the Latin alphabet and the language to a good standard, I can then learn Cyrillic script.Are there any good learning resources out there?TL;DR How do I learn Serbian well and quickly? 13 posts and 3 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> John Hennerstock - Sun, 19 Apr 2015 21:37:37 EST Ok4x1Gp3 No.12083 Reply if anyone is interested, here you can ask for some good books/moviesyuchan.org/int >> Marta Huffington - Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:26:33 EST iybBgaRw No.12085 Reply >>12079Learning phrases without understanding the system behind it will only get you so far. The way we'd done it in the course is we looked at one noun case at a time. Then you can pretty much use prepositions and phrases with any noun once you know the noun case it requires. That and learning phrases by heart (just kind of getting a feeling of "this noun needs an ending -a here", for example) is what will make you use noun cases naturally. However, I think here it's probably rather important to have someone that can give feedback, not that you use noun cases the wrong way for too long. That wouldn't be beneficial at all. >> John Demmlekodge - Wed, 22 Apr 2015 22:40:27 EST HTwuDqQ4 No.12087 Reply 1429756827839.jpg -(83383B / 81.43KB, 431x300) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>11608like that other guy said, serbian is really not a distinct language, it's known as serbo-croationi've linked this resource here before but here u go againhttps://gloss.dliflc.edu/ there are serbian dialect and croatian dialect exmaples searchable there, enjoy ;)
>> John Hennerstock - Sun, 19 Apr 2015 21:37:37 EST Ok4x1Gp3 No.12083 Reply if anyone is interested, here you can ask for some good books/moviesyuchan.org/int
>> Marta Huffington - Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:26:33 EST iybBgaRw No.12085 Reply >>12079Learning phrases without understanding the system behind it will only get you so far. The way we'd done it in the course is we looked at one noun case at a time. Then you can pretty much use prepositions and phrases with any noun once you know the noun case it requires. That and learning phrases by heart (just kind of getting a feeling of "this noun needs an ending -a here", for example) is what will make you use noun cases naturally. However, I think here it's probably rather important to have someone that can give feedback, not that you use noun cases the wrong way for too long. That wouldn't be beneficial at all.
>> John Demmlekodge - Wed, 22 Apr 2015 22:40:27 EST HTwuDqQ4 No.12087 Reply 1429756827839.jpg -(83383B / 81.43KB, 431x300) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>11608like that other guy said, serbian is really not a distinct language, it's known as serbo-croationi've linked this resource here before but here u go againhttps://gloss.dliflc.edu/ there are serbian dialect and croatian dialect exmaples searchable there, enjoy ;)
Has anyone created a language? View Thread Reply Hide Sidney Fackleshaw - Wed, 24 Dec 2014 01:18:27 EST dyEUAL1Q No.11925 File: 1419401907740.jpg -(518976B / 506.81KB, 1280x963) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. I'm curious if anyone has tried to or successfully made their own language. As a kid I loved imagining and creating new planets. I had notebooks of alien world maps, the types of inhabitants, cultures, cities, and languages of course. I tried a few times to make languages based on my fictional creations. My best attempt was having all of the syllables/sounds memorized as well as having a writing system memorized. I'd practice writing notes with the symbols. The notes were all in English but I used the fictional alphabet to practice writing it. I never got further than making basic grammatical structures and having a short vocabulary. This was all before I was familiar with Tolkien's work.Have any fictional languages you'd like to share? 11 posts and 4 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Priscilla Nicklebanks - Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:30:52 EST Z1v+SCTB No.12008 Reply I got mad at some of the claims in the "historical linguistics" literature I was reading. I'm not a linguist myself but I set up a toy language so I could model sound changes, vocab replacement, etc. So I took a swadesh list and a number of random pages on wikipedia, and tried "to break things down" semantically a word at a time. I made a box of the categories I made, made something on the order of 30 "variables" and just assigned according to usage frequency phonemes according to a hierarchy of their existence; languages generally have b before p, for example. Ended up arbitrarily with an Indo-Aryan-esque phonology; simply as a matter of chosing something arbitrarily.From there I ended up plotting a little path for it from Southern Africa to Central Asia; again, arbitrarily. I applied sound changes according to what would be parsimonious changes along its route; just by using sound changes that have been documented to have happened, it's randomly assigned core vocab ended up doing things like making it's non-sonorant /b/ first person marker move to /m/ in the pronoun system, and another development caused it's 2nd person n to fortify to t, arbitrarily making it an m/t language. Lots of stuff like that happened, including a lot of weird vocabulary parallels like the word for "land" j.m.j.h > jomijah >(j)emiaa > e~ia > ia/Ended up noticing that for the core 1000 words or so, it took pretty much 3 characters at any one time to represent its roots depending on phonotactic restraints, which led it to act like an afroasiatic language rather perfectly... I also noticed that core vocabulary built up true homophones not infrequently, which meant that I usually took the word from the stratum affecting its phonology, unless I knew (or found) an example of the word being replaced with something semantically close. But I also changed word meanings regularly, keeping notes of "sememes" in the language and having a very... there's a Gaelic dictionary that I love that gives very large glosses to every word to give its every connotation, and I tried to do that with the dictionary as it changed and changed and changed, moving words and meanings as homophones were created and destroyed, leaving semantic residues behind etc. I also tried to base wordplay to create a few idioms based around alliteration, rhymes, or homophones.But basically I ended up with a language sounding like a more Turkish, less Greek Romani. With of all things (Old) Chinese loanwords all over the place because its fake history had it evicted by the Tokharians before they themselves were evicted by the Uyghurs. I have no idea if any of the core vocabulary remained.Of course I really didn't document myself, and this stuff's been tried before; toy languages are apparently normal. So I don't really have that much to show, although the whole thing's made me really "conservative" as far as "this sounds like this, therefore related" claims... I think I came away thinking both Afro-Asiatic and Altaic aren't valid in the traditional sense (there is an area with both vertical and horizontal transfer of features I think however) because I couldn't set up situations replicating their more complicated outcomes. Not that any of this is *remotely* conclusive.But the whole experience also made me hate myself because I felt like the worst kind of nerd >> Alice Niggerville - Fri, 13 Mar 2015 02:42:31 EST NgBw3eX7 No.12032 Reply >>12008One of my favorite things I've ever read right here. >> Marta Huffington - Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:17:31 EST iybBgaRw No.12084 Reply >>12008You should write a blog and have posts that go deeper into one "historical phase" or one special feature, or special cases of vocabulary. This sounds absolutely awesome and I'd love to hear more!
>> Priscilla Nicklebanks - Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:30:52 EST Z1v+SCTB No.12008 Reply I got mad at some of the claims in the "historical linguistics" literature I was reading. I'm not a linguist myself but I set up a toy language so I could model sound changes, vocab replacement, etc. So I took a swadesh list and a number of random pages on wikipedia, and tried "to break things down" semantically a word at a time. I made a box of the categories I made, made something on the order of 30 "variables" and just assigned according to usage frequency phonemes according to a hierarchy of their existence; languages generally have b before p, for example. Ended up arbitrarily with an Indo-Aryan-esque phonology; simply as a matter of chosing something arbitrarily.From there I ended up plotting a little path for it from Southern Africa to Central Asia; again, arbitrarily. I applied sound changes according to what would be parsimonious changes along its route; just by using sound changes that have been documented to have happened, it's randomly assigned core vocab ended up doing things like making it's non-sonorant /b/ first person marker move to /m/ in the pronoun system, and another development caused it's 2nd person n to fortify to t, arbitrarily making it an m/t language. Lots of stuff like that happened, including a lot of weird vocabulary parallels like the word for "land" j.m.j.h > jomijah >(j)emiaa > e~ia > ia/Ended up noticing that for the core 1000 words or so, it took pretty much 3 characters at any one time to represent its roots depending on phonotactic restraints, which led it to act like an afroasiatic language rather perfectly... I also noticed that core vocabulary built up true homophones not infrequently, which meant that I usually took the word from the stratum affecting its phonology, unless I knew (or found) an example of the word being replaced with something semantically close. But I also changed word meanings regularly, keeping notes of "sememes" in the language and having a very... there's a Gaelic dictionary that I love that gives very large glosses to every word to give its every connotation, and I tried to do that with the dictionary as it changed and changed and changed, moving words and meanings as homophones were created and destroyed, leaving semantic residues behind etc. I also tried to base wordplay to create a few idioms based around alliteration, rhymes, or homophones.But basically I ended up with a language sounding like a more Turkish, less Greek Romani. With of all things (Old) Chinese loanwords all over the place because its fake history had it evicted by the Tokharians before they themselves were evicted by the Uyghurs. I have no idea if any of the core vocabulary remained.Of course I really didn't document myself, and this stuff's been tried before; toy languages are apparently normal. So I don't really have that much to show, although the whole thing's made me really "conservative" as far as "this sounds like this, therefore related" claims... I think I came away thinking both Afro-Asiatic and Altaic aren't valid in the traditional sense (there is an area with both vertical and horizontal transfer of features I think however) because I couldn't set up situations replicating their more complicated outcomes. Not that any of this is *remotely* conclusive.But the whole experience also made me hate myself because I felt like the worst kind of nerd
>> Alice Niggerville - Fri, 13 Mar 2015 02:42:31 EST NgBw3eX7 No.12032 Reply >>12008One of my favorite things I've ever read right here.
>> Marta Huffington - Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:17:31 EST iybBgaRw No.12084 Reply >>12008You should write a blog and have posts that go deeper into one "historical phase" or one special feature, or special cases of vocabulary. This sounds absolutely awesome and I'd love to hear more!
Cantonese View Thread Reply Hide Nell Greenspear - Fri, 17 Apr 2015 22:24:00 EST bk34ntxt No.12080 File: 1429323840916.jpg -(5485B / 5.36KB, 259x194) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. In Mandarin, each character has one reading (plus variations sometimes, as with 不 or 一, but these can always be put down to tone sandhi). In Japanese, a character may have many readings but a particular word will always be read in a particular way (except that かざぐるま and フーシャ are both written as 風車.)And if you look up a chinese character in Unihan, for Cantonese you might get more than one reading. See this examplehttp://www.unicode.org/cgi-bin/GetUnihanData.pl?codepoint=807F&useutf8=trueThe readings for 聿 are jyut6, leot6 and wat6. Why is this? Is this situation more like the Mandarin aor more like the Japanese?
Can anyone translate these? View Thread Reply Hide Doris Sonnerpuck - Mon, 06 Apr 2015 04:07:33 EST 6AkftJe3 No.12055 File: 1428307653772.jpg -(581363B / 567.74KB, 1280x1145) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. They're scans from a japanese super nintendo game manual >> Doris Sonnerpuck - Mon, 06 Apr 2015 04:08:13 EST 6AkftJe3 No.12056 Reply 1428307693772.jpg -(510804B / 498.83KB, 1280x1146) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. DICKS EVERYWHERE >> Faggy Cludgehood - Thu, 09 Apr 2015 05:59:10 EST WVTGNwJh No.12058 Reply I read through it last night and understood a fair portion of it; it's obviously a game manual (as I'm sure you've noticed); the first one is mainly describing what you can do on the main menu; the second one is describing the properties of characters/items; I'll start translating when i'm not as lazy >> Thomas Sozzleway - Fri, 10 Apr 2015 15:07:29 EST nAU4YyZj No.12069 Reply What;s the name of the game?
>> Doris Sonnerpuck - Mon, 06 Apr 2015 04:08:13 EST 6AkftJe3 No.12056 Reply 1428307693772.jpg -(510804B / 498.83KB, 1280x1146) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. DICKS EVERYWHERE
>> Faggy Cludgehood - Thu, 09 Apr 2015 05:59:10 EST WVTGNwJh No.12058 Reply I read through it last night and understood a fair portion of it; it's obviously a game manual (as I'm sure you've noticed); the first one is mainly describing what you can do on the main menu; the second one is describing the properties of characters/items; I'll start translating when i'm not as lazy
>> Thomas Sozzleway - Fri, 10 Apr 2015 15:07:29 EST nAU4YyZj No.12069 Reply What;s the name of the game?
American Sign Language View Thread Reply Hide Matilda Bindlestock - Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:17:43 EST Z2HHXKum No.11914 File: 1418768263472.jpg -(34586B / 33.78KB, 640x328) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. I recently acquired a strong interest in learning ASL and I plan to do so thoroughly and fluently. I simply took a course at my community college for elective credits and am finding myself fairly involved in not only learning the language but also in learning more about the Deaf culture. Whereas I'm hardly ready to comprehend an entire story in ASL, I am fully capable of a basic conversation with someone fluent, given they have a little bit of mercy of my barely-intermediate skills. I find that my hearing friends take an interest in the knowledge I have and the best person to practice with is a friend of mine that is mostly Deaf and nearly fluent in ASL, but also English-speaking. Practicing signing with my hearing friends is cool and draws us attention in public, but not very practical, and so I intend on using my ASL knowledge for more than just saying I can - I hope to look for employment in interpretation. I realize there is some debate about this job position in the Deaf community and whereas my instructor encourages her students to search for jobs in interpretation (and therefore becoming fluent in the language), I have heard opinions that render it more difficult for the hearing to place themselves within the Deaf community as an interpreter. Deaf people have a much different social and cultural way of relating to one another, and I am just as interested in this as I am in the language itself.Basically the point of my thread is to discuss any ASL knowledge that the scholars of /lang/ may collectively have as well as share literary sources of ASL or Deaf culture-related material. Basically; experience, anecdotes, books, websites etc. All things ASL; I hope some people on this board share my interest. I'd love to hear of some methods people utilized to better learn ASL! 6 posts and 4 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Albert Fattinggold - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 09:50:31 EST Z2HHXKum No.12024 Reply >>12023those were good ideas thanks >> Nell Bommleluck - Tue, 24 Mar 2015 13:01:34 EST 8Fc39kCN No.12043 Reply I wish there would be just one international sign language. That would be sick. Learning ASL does sound interesting but well, you're pretty much limited to America.nb cause not really contributing here. >> Hugh Puvinghadge - Wed, 25 Mar 2015 20:33:56 EST Z2HHXKum No.12046 Reply >>12043Uhm...true, but I plan on becoming an American interpreter, anyway. If I'm basing a career choice in a certain region based on language I don't feel I have any limitations. Each culture has their own language that corresponds to well, their spoken language but of course, they're not just direct translations.A universal sign language might as well be saying we should have a universal spoken language.
>> Albert Fattinggold - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 09:50:31 EST Z2HHXKum No.12024 Reply >>12023those were good ideas thanks
>> Nell Bommleluck - Tue, 24 Mar 2015 13:01:34 EST 8Fc39kCN No.12043 Reply I wish there would be just one international sign language. That would be sick. Learning ASL does sound interesting but well, you're pretty much limited to America.nb cause not really contributing here.
>> Hugh Puvinghadge - Wed, 25 Mar 2015 20:33:56 EST Z2HHXKum No.12046 Reply >>12043Uhm...true, but I plan on becoming an American interpreter, anyway. If I'm basing a career choice in a certain region based on language I don't feel I have any limitations. Each culture has their own language that corresponds to well, their spoken language but of course, they're not just direct translations.A universal sign language might as well be saying we should have a universal spoken language.
Japanese: Seeking quality online material View Thread Reply Hide Phoebe Pibberpark - Sun, 15 Sep 2013 10:06:37 EST 4MCaR4A2 No.9959 File: 1379253997411.jpg -(25351B / 24.76KB, 240x427) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Hello /lang/,Learning Japanese has been on my mind for quite some time now. I know it's a tough language to learn. I might end up being put off by its complexity in the end, like many others. But I'd still like to give it a go and find out for myself. Oh and just to be clear, this desire isn't fueled by some anime craze or anything like that.So, I'm looking for some good online material to start learning. I know there are many websites for that. So many in fact I don't know which to choose. I'd like something proper with a good introduction to grammar and all that. Not just some basic expressions for the average visiting foreigner to get by.Thank you guys in advance, and have a very good day. 4 posts omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Edward Bleshfield - Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:00:40 EST TM8QUwDZ No.9982 Reply >>9966>http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/oh dog, that's great. >> Hanna - Tue, 17 Mar 2015 05:13:49 EST 7YtUd4Op No.12039 Reply Maybe these will be of help? :)Japanese Word of the Day (http://www.japanesepod101.com/japanese-phrases)Learn one Japanese word a day! The word comes along with its picture, pronunciation, translation and sample sentences. Learning one word takes nothing but your Japanese will build up over time without any hard work.Japanese Vocabulary List (http://www.japanesepod101.com/japanese-vocabulary-lists/)This is your non-stop source of new and relevant Japanese words to learn as new words keep being updated! These lists are based on holidays, current events, practical topics, which are extremely useful for real-life conversations.Japanese Core 100 Word List(http://www.japanesepod101.com/japanese-word-lists/)Learn the most basic 100 words with this list. Simply review the words, listen to the audio pronunciation and repeat out loud. These words are must-know for basic conversations. >> Fucking Duckstone - Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:37:30 EST 0tyNYdEl No.12041 Reply >>12039not sure why this was bumped when the last post was in 2013. For all we know, OP might have nailed down the basics of Japanese by now. I never used japanesepod101 because I don't want to pay money to learn a language. I use Tae Kim for all my grammar and I use Anki flashcards along with downloaded decks to get my listening comprehension skills up. That way I don't need to spend money to learn Japanese and that works for me to.
>> Edward Bleshfield - Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:00:40 EST TM8QUwDZ No.9982 Reply >>9966>http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/oh dog, that's great.
>> Hanna - Tue, 17 Mar 2015 05:13:49 EST 7YtUd4Op No.12039 Reply Maybe these will be of help? :)Japanese Word of the Day (http://www.japanesepod101.com/japanese-phrases)Learn one Japanese word a day! The word comes along with its picture, pronunciation, translation and sample sentences. Learning one word takes nothing but your Japanese will build up over time without any hard work.Japanese Vocabulary List (http://www.japanesepod101.com/japanese-vocabulary-lists/)This is your non-stop source of new and relevant Japanese words to learn as new words keep being updated! These lists are based on holidays, current events, practical topics, which are extremely useful for real-life conversations.Japanese Core 100 Word List(http://www.japanesepod101.com/japanese-word-lists/)Learn the most basic 100 words with this list. Simply review the words, listen to the audio pronunciation and repeat out loud. These words are must-know for basic conversations.
>> Fucking Duckstone - Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:37:30 EST 0tyNYdEl No.12041 Reply >>12039not sure why this was bumped when the last post was in 2013. For all we know, OP might have nailed down the basics of Japanese by now. I never used japanesepod101 because I don't want to pay money to learn a language. I use Tae Kim for all my grammar and I use Anki flashcards along with downloaded decks to get my listening comprehension skills up. That way I don't need to spend money to learn Japanese and that works for me to.
Language learning tips View Thread Reply Hide Barnaby Dillyforth - Fri, 06 Mar 2015 18:40:11 EST Hu58Kckd No.12027 File: 1425685211091.jpg -(18803B / 18.36KB, 550x550) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Let's post some extra tips on how to git gud at your languages aside from the initial learning:>Change account settings on online sites to display stuff in your language (e.g. facebook)>Find places online where people are looking to chat >> Wesley Hubberway - Sat, 07 Mar 2015 18:55:22 EST +e6ryqhi No.12028 Reply Also try Supermemohttp://archive.wired.com/medtech/health/magazine/16-05/ff_wozniak?currentPage=allThis guy invented it to help him learn English. Another way to do this is work through a language book, then at set intervals refresh your knowledge by going back and reviewing key concepts so it becomes long term memory and you don't forget it all within 30 days. Watching TV/Movies in that language will also help or watching all your movies with foreign language subtitles. >> Samuel Dimmerdudge - Sun, 08 Mar 2015 22:10:15 EST +sAsuDcV No.12029 Reply >>12028Are you from the distant past? There's a lot of free spaced repetition software out there. Anki comes to mind. >> Albert Piddlenuck - Mon, 09 Mar 2015 16:47:27 EST mfqKXc7d No.12030 Reply man I love Ocarina of Time!
>> Wesley Hubberway - Sat, 07 Mar 2015 18:55:22 EST +e6ryqhi No.12028 Reply Also try Supermemohttp://archive.wired.com/medtech/health/magazine/16-05/ff_wozniak?currentPage=allThis guy invented it to help him learn English. Another way to do this is work through a language book, then at set intervals refresh your knowledge by going back and reviewing key concepts so it becomes long term memory and you don't forget it all within 30 days. Watching TV/Movies in that language will also help or watching all your movies with foreign language subtitles.
>> Samuel Dimmerdudge - Sun, 08 Mar 2015 22:10:15 EST +sAsuDcV No.12029 Reply >>12028Are you from the distant past? There's a lot of free spaced repetition software out there. Anki comes to mind.
>> Albert Piddlenuck - Mon, 09 Mar 2015 16:47:27 EST mfqKXc7d No.12030 Reply man I love Ocarina of Time!
Hey guys I need your help View Thread Reply Hide Albert Goodworth - Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:09:25 EST ALuaElvY No.12017 File: 1424891365805.jpg -(157272B / 153.59KB, 858x784) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. I have no idea if this is the right place for this. I figured some japanese speaking people would be on this board. Can somebody translate the text in my picture please? Possibly somebody with some knowledge of biology but any help is appreciated. >> Charles Fanville - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 04:23:20 EST 0tyNYdEl No.12022 Reply >>12017My Japanese is good enough that I can understand the grammar but I don't know any of that Kanji. If you had a version with furigana I could translate it.
>> Charles Fanville - Thu, 05 Mar 2015 04:23:20 EST 0tyNYdEl No.12022 Reply >>12017My Japanese is good enough that I can understand the grammar but I don't know any of that Kanji. If you had a version with furigana I could translate it.
GREEK / ELLNVIKA View Thread Reply Hide Eugene Budgedin - Fri, 02 May 2014 01:40:17 EST SRz+MrWT No.11331 File: 1399009217791.jpg -(805260B / 786.39KB, 1920x1080) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Any advice for learning Greek? 3 posts omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Cyril Pirringledging - Mon, 11 Aug 2014 22:30:11 EST hV/j9IGo No.11605 Reply I'll ask this here instead of starting a new thread.How does Greek transliterate foreign sounds? I tried Google, but no luck. >> Lillian Papperfetch - Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:14:58 EST SRz+MrWT No.12009 Reply bump >> Albert Fidgefoot - Wed, 25 Feb 2015 03:29:27 EST Z1v+SCTB No.12015 Reply >>11605Usuallyp t k = pi, tav, kappab d g = mu+pi, nu+tau, nu+kappatch = just ts, but sometimes kappa + front voweldj/j = dz, ntz, sometimes gamma + front vowelf th s sh x = phi, theta, sigma, sigma+iota or a front vowel, chiv z zh h = beta (vita), zita, zita + iota, asperus or chi or 0m n ng = mu, nu, nu+gammar, l = rho lambdaw = omicron upsilony/j = iota, eta, or epsiloni = iota, eta, epsilon, or ipsilon (upsilon)e = epsilon usuallya = alfao = omicronu = omicron + upsilonü = upsilon, said like ietc. Most approximations are like French or Italian actually, with the NC = G and u = i thing. Beer if romanized like the Ancients would have read the word is "mpura" but in Modern this is read as "bira". Nikita Khruschev is nikita xroustsof.
>> Cyril Pirringledging - Mon, 11 Aug 2014 22:30:11 EST hV/j9IGo No.11605 Reply I'll ask this here instead of starting a new thread.How does Greek transliterate foreign sounds? I tried Google, but no luck.
>> Albert Fidgefoot - Wed, 25 Feb 2015 03:29:27 EST Z1v+SCTB No.12015 Reply >>11605Usuallyp t k = pi, tav, kappab d g = mu+pi, nu+tau, nu+kappatch = just ts, but sometimes kappa + front voweldj/j = dz, ntz, sometimes gamma + front vowelf th s sh x = phi, theta, sigma, sigma+iota or a front vowel, chiv z zh h = beta (vita), zita, zita + iota, asperus or chi or 0m n ng = mu, nu, nu+gammar, l = rho lambdaw = omicron upsilony/j = iota, eta, or epsiloni = iota, eta, epsilon, or ipsilon (upsilon)e = epsilon usuallya = alfao = omicronu = omicron + upsilonü = upsilon, said like ietc. Most approximations are like French or Italian actually, with the NC = G and u = i thing. Beer if romanized like the Ancients would have read the word is "mpura" but in Modern this is read as "bira". Nikita Khruschev is nikita xroustsof.
Fluency. View Thread Reply Hide cursive !M6R0eWkIpk - Mon, 19 Jan 2015 15:54:37 EST XaB5Kl1U No.11961 File: 1421700877526.jpg -(18826B / 18.38KB, 350x238) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. How do you define "fluency?"Do you make distinctions between "conversational" and "fluent?">Here's what Google spits back when searching "fluent definition"flu·entˈflo͞oənt/adjectiveadjective: fluent (of a person) able to express oneself easily and articulately. "a fluent speaker and writer on technical subjects" synonyms: articulate, eloquent, expressive, communicative, coherent, cogent, illuminating, vivid, well written/spoken "a fluent campaign speech" antonyms: inarticulate (of a person) able to speak or write a particular foreign language easily and accurately. "she became fluent in French and German" synonyms: articulate; have a (good) command of "fluent in French" (of a foreign language) spoken accurately and with facility. "he spoke fluent Spanish" 7 posts and 3 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Augustus Blendlewater - Wed, 28 Jan 2015 03:45:16 EST 6mW8O8BP No.11986 Reply 1422434716576.jpg -(228253B / 222.90KB, 400x600) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>11985i've gotta disagree. i get what you're saying and maybe it varies from person to person but statistically it is accepted that listening and reading are easier to master than speaking and writing. yes fluency refers to flow, i guess i could see how one could apply it to listening or reading but i can't see how in the real world anyone would claim to be a "fluent reader of xyz language". perhaps writing isn't as spontaneous as speaking, but it still deals with production of ones own thoughts in a target language. reading and listening are merely processing information that already exists. and while one could theoretically be "fluent" in a language by the strict definition and still lack proficiency, true fluency has a lot to do with proficiency as well, like having a broad and accurate vocabulary rather than relying on circumlocution or knowing certain levels of speech that would be appropriate in different situations.here's some more detailed breakdowns of the ILR scale, for anyone interestedhttp://www.govtilr.org/skills/ >> Sidney Hoblingbone - Sat, 14 Feb 2015 17:19:01 EST RYQ9LXTa No.12001 Reply >>11986>www.govtilr.org/skills/That's one ugly site... I'm betting you have to be full-on ameribear to like it.>statistically it is accepted that listening and reading are easier to master than speaking and writingI gotta agree with this. It's always harder to produce something than it is to merely experience something. >> Simon Bannerchedge - Sun, 22 Feb 2015 10:42:41 EST hL/5FZ6b No.12014 Reply 1424619761381.jpg -(262895B / 256.73KB, 492x372) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>12001yes, it is indeed ugly but the content is there describing fluency
>> Augustus Blendlewater - Wed, 28 Jan 2015 03:45:16 EST 6mW8O8BP No.11986 Reply 1422434716576.jpg -(228253B / 222.90KB, 400x600) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>11985i've gotta disagree. i get what you're saying and maybe it varies from person to person but statistically it is accepted that listening and reading are easier to master than speaking and writing. yes fluency refers to flow, i guess i could see how one could apply it to listening or reading but i can't see how in the real world anyone would claim to be a "fluent reader of xyz language". perhaps writing isn't as spontaneous as speaking, but it still deals with production of ones own thoughts in a target language. reading and listening are merely processing information that already exists. and while one could theoretically be "fluent" in a language by the strict definition and still lack proficiency, true fluency has a lot to do with proficiency as well, like having a broad and accurate vocabulary rather than relying on circumlocution or knowing certain levels of speech that would be appropriate in different situations.here's some more detailed breakdowns of the ILR scale, for anyone interestedhttp://www.govtilr.org/skills/
>> Sidney Hoblingbone - Sat, 14 Feb 2015 17:19:01 EST RYQ9LXTa No.12001 Reply >>11986>www.govtilr.org/skills/That's one ugly site... I'm betting you have to be full-on ameribear to like it.>statistically it is accepted that listening and reading are easier to master than speaking and writingI gotta agree with this. It's always harder to produce something than it is to merely experience something.
>> Simon Bannerchedge - Sun, 22 Feb 2015 10:42:41 EST hL/5FZ6b No.12014 Reply 1424619761381.jpg -(262895B / 256.73KB, 492x372) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>12001yes, it is indeed ugly but the content is there describing fluency
Novels in Spanish for reading comprehension. View Thread Reply Hide Molly Mezzledock - Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:13:35 EST KJu4J5EH No.11901 File: 1418588015289.jpg -(18519B / 18.08KB, 264x264) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Hey guys,I speak spanish quite well. I lived in a spanish speaking country for a number of years, but am now back in Canada now where they are not very many Spanish speaking people.I am looking for a couple of intermediate novels to read, not something with a lot of the tenses you only find in high level literary works, just something to read before bed to keep my reading comprehension up.I recently read "The Old Man and the Sea by Ernest Hemingway in Spanish, something along those lines.Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks! 5 posts and 1 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> Samuel Brupperridge - Tue, 06 Jan 2015 19:13:00 EST 5rSHWso6 No.11950 Reply el Aleph or any collection of shortworks from Jorge Luis Borges, he's my favorite authorI recommend reading plays if you can get into them, because they're extremely accessible. Ariel Dorfman is a decent playwright. Modern Spanish rendering of Conde Lucanor stories would be good since they're short fables with relatively simple prose.I'm currently reading The Motorcycle Diaries and I'll admit it's a challenging read, but if you're committed to it it'll do you well. It's just the Argentine slang that's a bitch. >> cursive !M6R0eWkIpk - Mon, 19 Jan 2015 20:57:55 EST XaB5Kl1U No.11968 Reply 1421719075497.png -(46982B / 45.88KB, 1342x527) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>11941translated from german to spanish or german to... english to spanish?german and spanish don't seem to jive too well for native speakers of each. >> Lydia Gubbleworth - Wed, 28 Jan 2015 10:14:16 EST P/Qs0eHF No.11987 Reply >>11901I'd suggest reading something from a spanish speaking author, not a translation. Not that it'll be easier, but I always find it somewhat more satisfactory reading an original than a translationHere are some easy authors you can begin with:Horacio Quiroga: he wrote short, horrible tales, like the Edgar Allan Poe of South America. I strongly suggest you read La gallina degollada from Cuentos de amor, de locura, y de muerte.Julio Cortazar. Well reknowned author, he wrote some pretty strange books (Rayuela for example), I think he even won a Nobel prize. I suggest you also read some of his short stories, they're somewhat kafkian: really short, concise, and surreal; check out "Instrucciones para subir una escalera".If you're for something a bit longer you can check out Ernesto Sabato's El tunel, it's about 100 pages long, but it's not that complicated (I think). It's like a mash up between Bukowski and Dostoievski, though not as good as either of them.Garcia Marquez is also pretty cool and easy to read, but I don't find him quite as interesting as these other authors. Ohh, and Borges is the best, but he's not an easy read at all, I don't suggest him as a first read.
>> Samuel Brupperridge - Tue, 06 Jan 2015 19:13:00 EST 5rSHWso6 No.11950 Reply el Aleph or any collection of shortworks from Jorge Luis Borges, he's my favorite authorI recommend reading plays if you can get into them, because they're extremely accessible. Ariel Dorfman is a decent playwright. Modern Spanish rendering of Conde Lucanor stories would be good since they're short fables with relatively simple prose.I'm currently reading The Motorcycle Diaries and I'll admit it's a challenging read, but if you're committed to it it'll do you well. It's just the Argentine slang that's a bitch.
>> cursive !M6R0eWkIpk - Mon, 19 Jan 2015 20:57:55 EST XaB5Kl1U No.11968 Reply 1421719075497.png -(46982B / 45.88KB, 1342x527) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. >>11941translated from german to spanish or german to... english to spanish?german and spanish don't seem to jive too well for native speakers of each.
>> Lydia Gubbleworth - Wed, 28 Jan 2015 10:14:16 EST P/Qs0eHF No.11987 Reply >>11901I'd suggest reading something from a spanish speaking author, not a translation. Not that it'll be easier, but I always find it somewhat more satisfactory reading an original than a translationHere are some easy authors you can begin with:Horacio Quiroga: he wrote short, horrible tales, like the Edgar Allan Poe of South America. I strongly suggest you read La gallina degollada from Cuentos de amor, de locura, y de muerte.Julio Cortazar. Well reknowned author, he wrote some pretty strange books (Rayuela for example), I think he even won a Nobel prize. I suggest you also read some of his short stories, they're somewhat kafkian: really short, concise, and surreal; check out "Instrucciones para subir una escalera".If you're for something a bit longer you can check out Ernesto Sabato's El tunel, it's about 100 pages long, but it's not that complicated (I think). It's like a mash up between Bukowski and Dostoievski, though not as good as either of them.Garcia Marquez is also pretty cool and easy to read, but I don't find him quite as interesting as these other authors. Ohh, and Borges is the best, but he's not an easy read at all, I don't suggest him as a first read.
franco-phoney View Thread Reply Hide Augustus Bevingspear - Sat, 06 Dec 2014 15:21:04 EST MxuHFgw1 No.11890 File: 1417897264067.jpg -(8214B / 8.02KB, 200x174) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. j'ai honte, je ne peux plus parler français. non seulement est-elle maintenant ma troisième langue, mais c'est vraiment honteux quand j'essaie de parler avec quelqu'un et ne peux pas dire même certains mots très simples (par exemple, je pouvais pas trouver le mot "vite" il y a deux jours quand je faisais un effort de discuter en français avec un québécois)donc, aidez-moi les mecs, allons-y créer un thread où on peut parler de n'importe quoi en français. tu peux corriger les fautes, ou pas, c'est à choixdis-moioù tu-vis? et, je sais pas.. quels films francophones est-ce que tu recommandes? >> Charles Hettingtore - Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:24:00 EST nkd0TrwG No.11984 Reply Je vais t'aider à corriger les fautes.>non seulement est-elle maintenant ma troisième langue"est-ce là" plutôt que "est-elle". Mais c'est assez formel, tu pourrais simplifier:>Non seulement c'est ma troisième langue>et ne peux pas dire même certains motset [je] ne peux même pas dire certains motsC'est plus facile à comprendre si tu répètes le "je".>je pouvais pasje ne pouvais pasSi tu veux être un peu plus formel.>je faisais un effort de discuterje faisais L'effort de discuter>allons-y créer un threadcréons* si tu voulais dire "let's make a thread". "créez" si tu voulais dire "create a thread, you guys".> c'est à choixc'est au choix>où tu-vis? "où vis-tu" ou alors "où tu vis". Le deuxième est beaucoup moins formel. Oh, et aussi, n'oublie pas de mettre une espace avant le point d'interrogation (?). C'est pareil pour toutes les ponctuations double (? ! : ; ). But that's nitpicking now.Ton français est pas mal du tout, tu devrais continuer à pratiquer !Je suis un Français, j'ai passé le début de ma vie en Normandie, au nord de la France, avant que mes parents aillent s'installer dans le sud, dans le Languedoc. J'ai passé deux ans au Québec après ça, et à présent je vis en Angleterre, j'essaie d'améliorer mon anglais à l'oral !Concernant les films, je te conseille les deux films OSS 117. Jean Dujardin (qui faisait des trucs marrants, avant) y joue un espion très très Français, parodie de James Bond et des codes du cinéma de cette époque-là. Il y aura sûrement certaines répliques et références qui ne seront pas évidentes à comprendre pour toi ; hésite pas à demander ici.
>> Charles Hettingtore - Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:24:00 EST nkd0TrwG No.11984 Reply Je vais t'aider à corriger les fautes.>non seulement est-elle maintenant ma troisième langue"est-ce là" plutôt que "est-elle". Mais c'est assez formel, tu pourrais simplifier:>Non seulement c'est ma troisième langue>et ne peux pas dire même certains motset [je] ne peux même pas dire certains motsC'est plus facile à comprendre si tu répètes le "je".>je pouvais pasje ne pouvais pasSi tu veux être un peu plus formel.>je faisais un effort de discuterje faisais L'effort de discuter>allons-y créer un threadcréons* si tu voulais dire "let's make a thread". "créez" si tu voulais dire "create a thread, you guys".> c'est à choixc'est au choix>où tu-vis? "où vis-tu" ou alors "où tu vis". Le deuxième est beaucoup moins formel. Oh, et aussi, n'oublie pas de mettre une espace avant le point d'interrogation (?). C'est pareil pour toutes les ponctuations double (? ! : ; ). But that's nitpicking now.Ton français est pas mal du tout, tu devrais continuer à pratiquer !Je suis un Français, j'ai passé le début de ma vie en Normandie, au nord de la France, avant que mes parents aillent s'installer dans le sud, dans le Languedoc. J'ai passé deux ans au Québec après ça, et à présent je vis en Angleterre, j'essaie d'améliorer mon anglais à l'oral !Concernant les films, je te conseille les deux films OSS 117. Jean Dujardin (qui faisait des trucs marrants, avant) y joue un espion très très Français, parodie de James Bond et des codes du cinéma de cette époque-là. Il y aura sûrement certaines répliques et références qui ne seront pas évidentes à comprendre pour toi ; hésite pas à demander ici.
Rechercher View Thread Reply Hide Polly Sammerlag - Sat, 03 Jan 2015 14:38:43 EST 4jjffGeJ No.11944 File: 1420313923448.jpg -(501568B / 489.81KB, 2956x1958) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Hi all, I am writing a short story and was wondering if it would be totally strange to use the French word rechercher as my protagonists last name. I know it basically means to look for in English, I don't know much other than that besides that I like it. I plan on the protagonist having American parents with maybe some French somewhere in their lineage but it's not a part of the plot just a mental note for me. So, people who speak French or actual French people (if there are any on this board) would it be highly uncommon for a person to have the French verb rechercher as a last name? 1 posts and 1 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> David Worthingford - Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:09:30 EST lHdJYkhU No.11948 Reply >>11944I'm not sure.In the book "Este Domingo" by the Chilean author Jose Donoso, some characters have the last name "vives", which in Spanish means "you live".So it's not a totally unprecedented concept, at least. >> Phineas Dopperhon - Thu, 22 Jan 2015 06:35:57 EST E3W6Xz/v No.11971 Reply >>11944Yes, it would. It makes no sense.I guess I have nothing to reply to the previous examples mentioned, but if anything some common names are sometimes used as last names, but never verbs. It can work for an english audience, there's often a lot of weird names in japanese stuff that aren't natural at all, but work to evoke "germanness" or whatever for the audience. But don't expect it to be fine for everybody just because you like it. >> Charles Hettingtore - Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:03:59 EST nkd0TrwG No.11983 Reply >>11944Hello, frenchie here.Absolutely NO ONE in France has "Rechercher" as their last name (yeah, just checked).We simply don't use verbs in the infinitive, nouns or adjectives are much more common. For instance, "Recherche" is an actual surname (meaning "research" or "search", as a noun), although it's a very uncommon one (498 persons out of 65 millions). But it does sound natural, at least."Pierre Recherche" would strike me as unusual but would still sound french; "Jean Rechercher" would just make me think the author didn't know what they were doing at all.If you want to retain the meaning, go with "Reserche" or "Chercheur" (searcher). A verb will sound out of place, only to French speakers though I guess.
>> David Worthingford - Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:09:30 EST lHdJYkhU No.11948 Reply >>11944I'm not sure.In the book "Este Domingo" by the Chilean author Jose Donoso, some characters have the last name "vives", which in Spanish means "you live".So it's not a totally unprecedented concept, at least.
>> Phineas Dopperhon - Thu, 22 Jan 2015 06:35:57 EST E3W6Xz/v No.11971 Reply >>11944Yes, it would. It makes no sense.I guess I have nothing to reply to the previous examples mentioned, but if anything some common names are sometimes used as last names, but never verbs. It can work for an english audience, there's often a lot of weird names in japanese stuff that aren't natural at all, but work to evoke "germanness" or whatever for the audience. But don't expect it to be fine for everybody just because you like it.
>> Charles Hettingtore - Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:03:59 EST nkd0TrwG No.11983 Reply >>11944Hello, frenchie here.Absolutely NO ONE in France has "Rechercher" as their last name (yeah, just checked).We simply don't use verbs in the infinitive, nouns or adjectives are much more common. For instance, "Recherche" is an actual surname (meaning "research" or "search", as a noun), although it's a very uncommon one (498 persons out of 65 millions). But it does sound natural, at least."Pierre Recherche" would strike me as unusual but would still sound french; "Jean Rechercher" would just make me think the author didn't know what they were doing at all.If you want to retain the meaning, go with "Reserche" or "Chercheur" (searcher). A verb will sound out of place, only to French speakers though I guess.
Any success stories? View Thread Reply Hide Fanny Pivingwell - Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:35:58 EST 8Xo2pqDl No.11789 File: 1413502558919.jpg -(237148B / 231.59KB, 694x900) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Seems like you guys just ask each other "what language should I learn" or "What is a good movie in X language?"Any real success stories here? Becoming fluent? To the point where you can read/write/speak/watch/listen as if it were your native tongue- anyone use it to travel or perhaps meet friends/lovers? Impress and inspire me guys. 16 posts and 6 images omitted. Click View Thread to read. >> James Crellypere - Mon, 26 Jan 2015 06:06:00 EST 6mW8O8BP No.11979 Reply i learned a language in the army. any of you who are serious about language learning, native exposure, and proficiency, there's a pretty good resource at ( GLOSS dot dliflc dot edu ) maybe visit it on an incognito page and check it out ^^ it's got reading and listening exercises in 40 languages. i still use it 3 years after to keep up my proficiency a bit, but aside from talking to grocery store clerks and ordering in restaurants and reading the occasional news articles i suck now that i dont use it every day :( >> Priscilla Sonnerhall - Tue, 27 Jan 2015 09:42:30 EST WbDEOjjy No.11981 Reply >>11979A really nice resource, thanks! >> Cedric Sennerford - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 14:46:08 EST 1SMjONZT No.12938 Reply I just really really really want to kill myself right now. I don't know if I can hold on.
>> James Crellypere - Mon, 26 Jan 2015 06:06:00 EST 6mW8O8BP No.11979 Reply i learned a language in the army. any of you who are serious about language learning, native exposure, and proficiency, there's a pretty good resource at ( GLOSS dot dliflc dot edu ) maybe visit it on an incognito page and check it out ^^ it's got reading and listening exercises in 40 languages. i still use it 3 years after to keep up my proficiency a bit, but aside from talking to grocery store clerks and ordering in restaurants and reading the occasional news articles i suck now that i dont use it every day :(
>> Priscilla Sonnerhall - Tue, 27 Jan 2015 09:42:30 EST WbDEOjjy No.11981 Reply >>11979A really nice resource, thanks!
>> Cedric Sennerford - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 14:46:08 EST 1SMjONZT No.12938 Reply I just really really really want to kill myself right now. I don't know if I can hold on.
