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- Thu, 22 Jun 2017 04:46:07 EST Gib9dqf+ No.12824
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Hey guys,

I would truly love to learn Chinese and think a good starting point for me would be to learn tones and the Pinyin alphabet.

I've stumbled upon material that did look professional, yet upon closer inspection some mistakes were present (pointed out by native speakers).

So that's basically why I'm asking you guys for sources you known to be reliable, where the pronunciation is spot on and where the teaching is hopefully dynamic and not too boring.

I will have the opportunity to ask for help from a native speaker now and again but she won't be there 24/7 for me. She will mostly review what I learned on my own and correct me afterwards.

Any other advice about learning Chinese is welcome as well. I am really eager to begin, I'm just not sure where to look.

Thanks a lot in advance!
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Charles Crocklesare - Thu, 22 Jun 2017 11:28:56 EST VRi0TFxn No.12825 Reply
I don't know Chinese, but I wouldn't worry too much about errors in source material unless it's a systemic problem, like with the rules. Also, there's significant variation among Chinese speakers and what one native speaker thinks is proper Mandarin another might think is incorrect.
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Jenny Fandleket - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 01:21:09 EST uVEePzIo No.12832 Reply
well first off chinese isnt a language so im guessing you mean mandarin (putonghua). mandarin has 4 tones (or 5 if you include "neutral") or "pitches" that you say words in. this is more important to master than grammar. if you can't say the word with the correct tone people will have no clue what you said.
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Clara Pangerfoot - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 06:22:20 EST win5YRNx No.12874 Reply
>>12832
There is one Asian language and everything is a dialect
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Priscilla Fuckingford - Fri, 20 Oct 2017 13:43:29 EST 7cLnbbQR No.12877 Reply
>>12832
This, my first trip to China was eye opening when I attempted to use my Mandarin.

There is very little room for error on tone, and people will not use context to deduce your intended meaning.

IME this is spot on, grammar is significantly less important than understanding the tones, and common root words which are used to build upon others. The building isn't necessarily intuitive, ie the two pictograms used for caution (xiaoxin) " 小心 " is literally" little" and "heart"

Also when I started learning several years ago, I focused too much on pinyin and disregarded the pictograms to an extent. Depending on your intent for the language, I can say that upon arriving in China I was pulling out my written texts to brush up as pinyin was almost non-existent and very rarely understood by locals.
As far as sources go, I'm not sure I could recommend anything free that I can verify is precise as I tend to use them to just brush up on my mandarin when it is getting weak. You are fortunate to have a native speaker to help you and make corrections, and (this may not be true) I was told by an individual who had lived there for 8 years, married local etc, that no matter your grasp on the language you'll always be laowai, you can't lose face by improperly speaking the language as you had no face to begin.
and yeah the variation between native speakers is quite large.
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Alice Drammlelotch - Mon, 23 Oct 2017 10:46:57 EST N4Y60WAx No.12878 Reply
Just moved to china a month or so ago.

>>12877
Has it spot on from what I can tell. I came here very last minute and didn't have time to learn the basics. But from speaking to others that have been here 3+ years
>There is very little room for error on tone, and people will not use context to deduce your intended meaning.
This is exactly what I've heard. It's spelled similar in pinyin but the Chinese won't work out what you mean if the tone is off.

I'm getting given free lessons from my business associates and I'm also looking into paying for some as well. To be honest of all things that you can teach yourself with self directed learning, I think languages are probably one of the most difficult. Chinese especially. Maybe you can do it but I would recommend finding a weekly class and sticking to it.

One thing I've heard is that apparently learning Chinese makes you realise how wasteful English is. It's a very efficient language.
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Nigel Snodstone - Thu, 02 Nov 2017 20:13:29 EST bzWY9Esr No.12879 Reply
pinyin is dumb shit and most chinese dont know it. learn the characters.
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龙东 - Thu, 08 Feb 2018 18:21:28 EST zR1u5dWA No.12895 Reply
>>12824
你开始了学习中文吗?
我的母语是英文但我爱汉字还学习了这语一年。
我还是写和说不好。我很喜欢学习中文。我不知道为什么。哈哈。
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Basil Minderwill - Thu, 08 Feb 2018 18:42:49 EST aixhVaRY No.12896 Reply
>>12895


Did you start learning Chinese?
My mother tongue is English, but I love learning Chinese for a year.
I still write and say bad. I really like learning Chinese. I do not know why. Haha.
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Hedda Pishwater - Wed, 27 Jun 2018 20:04:44 EST j1bLKHv0 No.12930 Reply
Pinyin is good at first, but later when you start speaking and listening faster, people say words and you have to just know the tones to deduce what theyre saying. Ive been studying chinese for about 9 months now and i had help from several native speakers, including one of my best friends and two girlfriends between the time i started and now. Im going to china for the first time this summer, but i like to consider myself at least a little experienced because i go to a school with a lot of FOBs. All of my teachers have also been pretty much FOBs who go to china regularly. The best way i can tell you to start is to buy a textbook and study on your own and i mean FUCKING STUDY. I needed to learn all of chinese 1 (普通话) in about 2 1/2 weeks in order to transfer on time to chinese 2, and i was waking up at 8, studying at 9 am, and continuing until 2ish with one meal in between and one 15 minute break to socialize. Tones are hard to grasp at first, but practicing speaking everything you learn will make it instinctual. You dont think about the yones after awhile they jusy come to you. Good luck🤙.
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Polly Sondertetch - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 14:30:53 EST U8gvRFHf No.12959 Reply
好好学习,天天向上。对我来说虽然这句话有点儿好玩,却挺有意思。每一天坚持的话,你就任何的技巧都能学会。我自己学习了两年汉语了,还是不确定我的语法有没有错。别放弃,加油!
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Betsy Fallyford - Tue, 23 Oct 2018 14:41:31 EST WWuykEgE No.12960 Reply
So it's me, the person who made this post >>12878
Just want to kinda redact what I said somewhat.
>There is very little room for error on tone, and people will not use context to deduce your intended meaning.
>This is exactly what I've heard. It's spelled similar in pinyin but the Chinese won't work out what you mean if the tone is off.
That was what I heard, but actually people can understand you if you get the tones off, obviously they are important but it's not as severe as I or that poster made out.

In terms for people saying Pinyin is bullshit, by all means go straight into characters and start learning them right away, but to put it simply you're going to NEED Pinyin in the beginning. All of the dictionaries use it and you're just making a monumental task even more difficult if you try and learn chinese without it.

And for what it's worth, chinese childrens books usually contain the pinyin below the characters, so it is something that is known here.

Putting it out there that pimsleur is great too, if you want to torrent those.
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Nicholas Murdfuck - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 03:46:58 EST OlD8+wUh No.12979 Reply
Native Mandarin speaker here, as well speak/understand somewhat a few dialects.

With all Chinese languages/dialects, you're really going to have to get your tones down before and it gets trickier practicing it with locals since there's also accents to get past.

All in all, I'd say drill the 4 tones into you first, while working on your pin yin, with a different word you'd intend to say with each tone.

Like idk, for example:
fen1 (seperate/divide) - (分)开, fenkai
fen2 (grave) - (坟)墓, fenmu
fen3 (powder) - 面(粉), mianfen
fen4 (anger) - (愤)怒 , fennu

Do this with whatever pinyin you want, because I mean for myself and other native speakers I know, we don't think about the tones because we all already know it by heart, but if you were to ask us, we have to work backwards kind of in this way to figure out what tone we're looking for.

As for building vocabulary, I'm not certain how to go about teaching this or helping somebody learn for Mandarin, but when I was picking up Japanese, I subscribed to a Kanji of the Day newsletter and learnt the pronunciations from there, as well as the ways to use it, although having a background in Mandarin might have helped make it much easier.

Anyway, here's a link to a Mandarin word of the day website, so you could see if it works for you, it also comes with the pinyin and tones so you can use it in tandem with what I've mentioned above to both build your tonal foundations as well as your vocabulary at the same time.

Aside from that well, I'm not sure if writing is of any concern for you, but there's no easy way to learn that other than to get one of those massively traumatic 习字 books and slog away, I'd say give it pass unless you want to be hardcore. I'm Chinese and I don't even like that shit.

One last small tip, when typing Mandarin with pinyin, words like 女人(nü ren) are registered as "nv ren".

Pinyin's fucking great.

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