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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

Probable cause

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- Mon, 29 Feb 2016 05:41:14 EST UjbgWqDh No.45171
File: 1456742474493.jpg -(119931B / 117.12KB, 480x659) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Probable cause
Can probable cause be established and used to get an arrest warrant if there was only 1 person who saw it, and that's the only evidence?
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Edwin Blatherham - Mon, 29 Feb 2016 07:52:21 EST UjbgWqDh No.45175 Reply
And what if the person never knew me or saw me before and is guessing off a Facebook picture?
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Eliza Lightwill - Mon, 29 Feb 2016 09:25:44 EST 7Q0ftoED No.45176 Reply
>>45175
You're talking about issues the prosecutor will have at trial. It's all still probable cause
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Eliza Lightwill - Mon, 29 Feb 2016 09:29:28 EST 7Q0ftoED No.45177 Reply
>>45176
I should say if they choose to indict it would be. They don't indict every case they have probable cause for, just saying a single witness, even weak, is enough for probable cause.

BattleBoat

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- Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:53:12 EST j6+cNLCc No.45154
File: 1456501992228.jpg -(114921B / 112.23KB, 1280x960) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. BattleBoat
Would it be legally possible to avoid legal responsibility for death at sea by making people sign some papers accepting the risk of being part of a boat cruise where people are pitted against each other in massive brawls?
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Thomas Chellershaw - Fri, 26 Feb 2016 19:40:24 EST mZ2odBd3 No.45164 Reply
I'm not an expert on the law of the sea by any means, but I have taken a look at some of the relevant UN documents, and it makes me think that there is probably something there that could be used to stop this kind of thing from happening.

Even if there isn't any specific provision that prohibits this, I seriously doubt any state would be okay with people killing each other in the middle of the ocean, and would probably take some sort of unilateral or even multilateral action to put a stop to it. The only way you could MAYBE have some protection would be if you were back by a decently powerful and influential state, or a coalition of smaller states.
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David Niggerford - Sat, 27 Feb 2016 00:07:10 EST uLJPOHRz No.45165 Reply
I don't know maritime law either, it's an incredibly complex and nuanced area I have no reason to know anything about.

But I can tell you that there is both criminal penalties and tort liability available for those injured out "on the high seas." See, e.g. 18 USC 7; 42 USC 303. So in general, no you can't do this.
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Hedda Senkinson - Sat, 05 Mar 2016 01:30:48 EST CbY8XCvi No.45193 Reply
>>45154
Such papers would must probably be signed within some state's legal system which would forbid it.

IRS

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- Thu, 25 Feb 2016 16:04:17 EST pXcjR5iA No.45152
File: 1456434257917.png -(2716B / 2.65KB, 105x36) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. IRS
If I claimed myself as a dependent, and my mom also did, then how long will it take the IRS to catch us?
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Fucking Brazzleforth - Fri, 26 Feb 2016 09:45:17 EST JgrhRLWY No.45153 Reply
>>45152
You could be audited on the first year, especially if your mom is claiming an EITC. The services loves catching people claiming those when they can't.

false residency on civil job applications

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- Mon, 30 Nov 2015 22:32:39 EST R9Y/jwsq No.44869
File: 1448940759585.jpg -(193288B / 188.76KB, 1240x827) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. false residency on civil job applications
chances of being caught and charged

go
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Charles Durringhood - Mon, 22 Feb 2016 21:14:08 EST aYpMpqpy No.45140 Reply
>>44869
where is this pic from? what place is that
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Caroline Bloffinglock - Tue, 23 Feb 2016 12:08:09 EST /F3JoGGQ No.45141 Reply
>>45140
It's from China. Stop bumping this fucking thread.

Criminal Record Application Advice

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- Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:45:47 EST 8Irkql7o No.45072
File: 1453398347208.jpg -(11349B / 11.08KB, 225x225) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Criminal Record Application Advice
I have an issue I'd love to receive some advice on and I decided to post it here because I figured the lurkers of /law/ may be able to give me the most logical advice.

Basically, I have an adult record of 4 misdemeanor charges in a certain county, which isn't the one I currently live in. However, I actually intend on attending University and getting a job in that particular county. The thing is, a year or so has gone by since the arrest and I've since been trying to get the record expunged, as I don't consider myself a career criminal and I'd like for the record to not follow me around for the rest of my professional life.

Of course the process is very difficult and involves mundane fees and paperwork, however, I am still persistently trying to get it all done. After the arrest, I successfully completed a "PTI," like a mini-probation, as I'm sure you're familiar with, being that I had a small amount of required community service hours, drug tests and fees, which was completed in three months. I did receive paperwork stating the program was completed, but there's one form in particular the county told me I needed to continue with the expunction application process: a sealed certified disposition. Apparently, a certain person in a certain department has to get in touch with me in order for it to be printed and sent to me, and this person is saying the case was sealed to their access. The case is closed, yes, after I finished the program, but the charges are not sealed because they are still accessible to the public. The fact that they are still accessible to the public means that I am eligible to apply for expunction, in order to make them not accessible to the public.

Now, my situation is this: being that I want to attend University in this particular county, I recently began the application process for the school and it clearly asks for any CHARGES of a criminal history. Unlike most job applications which ask about convictions, the way this application question was worded clearly is asking for misdemeanor charges and arrests, even if the case has since been closed. However, I know that if I am successful in getting the charges expunged this information would not be legally required of me to delve.

Should I answer "yes" or "no," or wait for the expunction process to make more progress? I want to attend the school in the nearest possible semester, but the expunction process is taking very long as the necessary people are not getting back to me very quickly. The location of the arrest from one year ago is very close in proximity to the location of the campus, and being that the arrest took place in the same county of the campus I am applying to, I feel it would be easy for information like that to appear in a background check or database scenario. I don't want to put off going to college, but I don't want to tell the college all about my criminal history if I don't need to.

If you read this, thanks in advance and I can provide more details if you think it'd be helpful.
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Fuck Turveyman - Tue, 16 Feb 2016 04:10:55 EST U23++ADK No.45126 Reply
>>45118
>> what am i not understanding about that?


>>Core concepts about what expungement does. It's not a clean slate. Even after it's been expunged, you >>have been arrested.

Explain the core concept of what expungement is intended for. It is essentially a clean slate in the public view. It is even often explained essentially as that in law, clean slate. Say drug courts may allow an expungment, a clean slate if one goes through a program, so it will not interfere with future
endeavors.
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Hedda Duckridge - Tue, 16 Feb 2016 08:14:28 EST JgrhRLWY No.45127 Reply
>>45126
Expungement seals a conviction from public record. If you are asked if you have a conviction, in most circumstances you can answer that you haven't.

However, it doesn't change the fact you've been arrested. think of it this way: People get arrested and not charged. People get charged and found not guilty. People get found guilty but have their verdict suspended as part of some first offender statute. All of these people have lower levels of culpability than someone who's getting their record expunged, and would all have to admit they have had an arrest. So why would expungement magically erase an arrest too?

Also, more things to consider. In NCIC when you pull records you can see arrests even if they are followed by an expungement. You can generally tell that something was done, it's not clear a conviction followed. I don't remember the exact wording because it's been a year since I've seen one. Do you want someone doing a background check to see an arrest on the background check after you've told them you didn't have one? I know if it was me you'd be rejected instantly, even if it was to work at a car wash.

Also consider, I know this is at a university, i'm assuming public, so the above analysis controls, but private places use private records clearinghouses. These paid services do not generally update their records to reflect expungement. So if you're ever getting a background check by a private entity, not only are they going to see your arrest, they are probably going to see the resulting conviction.

Negative interactions with police interfere with future endeavors. Lying to people and relying on the fact "oh well it was expunged" fucks with future endeavors more. It's simple: unless they specifically say "even if expunged tell us about all convictions," which many background checks do, you can omit an expunged conviction. If they ask if you've been arrested, it's in your best interest to be upfront about it.
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Fuck Chummerbury - Thu, 18 Feb 2016 03:31:53 EST U23++ADK No.45139 Reply
It's really a decision that can affect ones future.
http://www.kable.com/hr/application/appMain.asp?cp=1

Saying yes is possibly offering your clearinghouses' info that one really does not want to be shared.

What would one really want, denial because of a background check and or being less than informative or, "If yes, describe in full" following them around.

It can be assembled and disassembled in ways that are fully irrational by some, or looked at in a rational manner by others in regards of judging peoples integrity.

Non-disclosure may support integrity if ones intentions and short and long term goals are realistic.

"I talk like this when I'm sober"

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- Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:05:00 EST WfOLZKTz No.45131
File: 1455746700342.jpg -(513918B / 501.87KB, 1482x1482) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. "I talk like this when I'm sober"
Charges filed against me (State of Pennsylvania)

75 1786 F - Operation of Vehicle Without Required Financial Responsibility
75 3714 A - Careless Driving
75 3802 A1* - DUI: General Impairment/Incapability of Driving Safely, 1st Offense
75 3802 D2* - DUI: Controlled Substance - Impaired Ability, 1st Offense

A little background first. When the title of my car was transferred into my name, the regisration retained my old address which is on my license (despite my providing my correction to my license that I received from Penndot at the time of the title transfer). Back in the early fall of 2015, I changed insurance providers from Liberty Mutual, to Geico, and then to Travellers in the span of two weeks or so. Insurance providers are not required by law to notify Penndot of when insurance is gained by a policy holder, only when a policy holder is dropped from coverage. Apparently, Geico immediately sends this notification of a drop to Penndot. When I dropped Geico, I picked up insurance with Travellers on the same day. Because of the aforementioned address confusion, Penndot's form they send out to clarify that an individual is maintaining insurance on their operatable vehicle was never received by me. So, I was ignorant to the fact that I needed to fill out any such form, thinking everything was okay, knowing that I was insured and had the proof for it myself.

Fast forward to January 1st, I am pulled over by a local police officer due to a headlight being out. He gives me a warning on that headlight, and alerts me to the fact that there is an "F-stop" on my registration, i.e. I am not currently insured. However, I explain to him how I am, producing my insurance card and neccessary documents, and he gives me ten days to show that i have attempted to rectify the problems. So, I fix my headlight, have my Insurance provider contact penndot, and I report back to him. He understands that im getting it fixed and the matter is resolved to him. Good Guy. Apparently, penndot is incapable of receiving correspondence that is not in the fashion of a form, so despite my having my insurance agent contact penndot via email and fax with an official declaration of me never lapsing in coverage from the time i dropped geico up til now, the F-stop remained on my regisration.

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George Fedgedock - Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:49:01 EST Kd+sUt8p No.45135 Reply
>>45134
Signing that you've received a ticket isn't a "legal decision."
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Ox - Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:13:22 EST WfOLZKTz No.45136 Reply
>>45135
I wasn't signing anything about receiving a ticket. It was signing off on having my blood drawn in accordance with a program I could enter.

I actually didnt walk away with a singe piece of paper from the police, and i still havent received anything.

I'm expecting a hospital bill for the "voluntary" bloodwork.

Funny enough, I received some mail from three law offices today soliciting me for their assistance, yet I havent seen any mail from the judge's office.

The pa court website says the case was filed on February 9th.
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Ox - Wed, 17 Feb 2016 18:15:55 EST WfOLZKTz No.45137 Reply
>>45135
additionally, when reading aloud the sheet of paper, the officer said that I waive my rights to plead any other way than guilty by signing it, but I didn't see too much of a choice at the time.

I just don't know what the fuck is happening.

nb

Allstate's Hit and Run Policy

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- Wed, 17 Feb 2016 00:44:25 EST jopQWrH8 No.45128
File: 1455687865606.jpg -(561506B / 548.35KB, 2048x2048) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Allstate's Hit and Run Policy
Had a person in a van sideswipe me trying to merge over into the left lane I was in, fucking bounces off my car and goes back into the lane they were in originally then fucking guns it up this hill trying to evade me, weaving between both lanes to get as far ahead as they possibly could from me. I immediately called 911 and pulled over, officer cap, filed a police report, yada yada. So what I need to know from ya'll is:

  1. Should I get an estimate on the damage before filing an insurance claim, or should I just go ahead and file an insurance claim? Because I have collision repair with Allstate and I know they cover hit and run accidents but ONLY if the damage costs more than the deductible, or something like that. Pic is my car, passenger's side. Anyone from /vroom/ know off the top of their heads how much $$$ we're talking here?
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Shitting Clenningman - Wed, 17 Feb 2016 00:47:12 EST jopQWrH8 No.45129 Reply
>>45128
Also question 2 was supposed to be if anyone knew off the top of their heads a rough e$timate of the damage, just accidentally combined it with question1
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Phyllis Fedgebury - Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:13:38 EST baf/Tz9j No.45130 Reply
lol what kind of car is that

you're looking at thousands of dollars man

whats your deductible? mines only 500. I'm sure this is over that

I mean it looks you'll need a new fender. I hope that door damage can be fixed. They might be able to fix the quarterpanel but even that looks shitty.

Thousands.
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Reuben Fosslefield - Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:38:41 EST jopQWrH8 No.45138 Reply
>>45130
Yeah the deductible is $500 and it's an 04 toyota celica.

Chicago inmates that have beaten

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- Wed, 28 Oct 2015 13:50:54 EST ftFh0pA3 No.44771
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Anyone from Chicago that has actually been beaten after arrest without resisting? Chicago is known for being corrupt but after an arrest and simply staying silent not even talking to an officer is considered attitude. They smacked me in the face 2x for not speaking with the bottom open palm to not leave a mark. I was then hit in the stomach with a flashlight by his weaker partner for not offering my information when arrested after remaining silent. What's wrong with you, can't you talk? FUCK NO especially hearing about a cubs game they were going to before I was I-BONDED out...released on my own recognize. Please tell me someone from Chicago has been beaten up after an arrest? To have slammed a flashlight into my stomach at a station bench that might as well been a fucking closet. An example of Chicago cops covering themselves on a junkie that was literally nodded out on a bench which they claimed he tried to "escape" that's a classic heroin junkie. There was no escape, that a picture after they beat his ass up in a fucking super high nod. Who has that capability to "escape" that high?
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Basil Guddlehall - Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:28:56 EST t8dRDXLN No.45113 Reply
This happens everywhere, Chicago cops just celebrate/are celebrated for being so flagrantly corrupt, the only other police department in the US with a similar rep is New Orleans.
Cops are like this everywhere pretty much. If you think a bunch of fat irish slobs that call negros hambones and take their loose cash after smacking them up was bad you should see some of the shitty cops whose cartel family members encouraged them to pursue the career over on the west coast, or the cops that are actual card carrying members of shit like the kkk down south.
Just avoid that situation again I guess.
I can't even get a job at walmart because a police officer twisted his wrist beating the shit out of me when I was 16 and I got a resisting arrest and assault on an officer charge. It's like this all over the country. In az they will put you on the hood of a hot car in the 120 degree heat and hold you there til you blister, and if you happen to get dark while they sun bake you and don't have a birth certificate and 2 forms of government id get ready for a 72 hour hold while they double check your citizen status.
The world is shitty and people in power often abuse it, I would think someone that comes from around one of the most well known collections of hoods called a city in the US would know this. Maybe stay in the suburbs if this shit shell shocks you that much, it's just another day that ends in y for everyone else.
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Edwin Diddlestock - Sun, 14 Feb 2016 15:45:04 EST U23++ADK No.45124 Reply
>>44791
OP you might need to smoke LESS and chill out, and maybe see a mental health professional, based on the two rambling threads you've posted in the past couple weeks.

Police should only use a reasonable level of force in a given situation.
Otherwise they are a liability to themselves, the public, the integrity
of law and justice. I believe in Denver police have to get their own
insurance instead of the city/taxpayers paying the bill for misconduct.

Doesn't matter who is perceived to deserve to be mistreated. If a department
as practice routinely uses excessive force and tactics that are unreasonable
it should be everybody's concern. Uh, unless some people who favor these
practices gets a speeding ticket, or parking meter violation they somehow
feel betrayed just like that. Thinking or saying the same ol, why don't you
do your job and catch rapists and robbers.

This happened in BC

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- Sat, 13 Feb 2016 23:47:35 EST baf/Tz9j No.45120
File: 1455425255444.jpg -(469167B / 458.17KB, 1920x1080) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. This happened in BC
It was literally the middle of the night and me and a friend went to a local park to try out a new vape. I brought all my weed because I was lazy.

We were stupid and didn't keep and eye out when we went to the park. Cops saw us and caught us getting high.

They get our names, joke about how the thing reeks, asks me how it works, etc. I responded with idk and one word answers for most of it. Then the other cop said we are under arrest for possession and then said she was going to search our bags, which is legal since we are under arrest.

A few more words and trying to make us feel bad smoking weed and then they let us go after confiscating our shit.

I didn't have any ID, they I only gave them my name and address.

We weren't taken to the police station, we weren't fingerprinted, we weren't told to show up anywhere or given any instructions about what we needed to do next, they just let us go without our shit. But the cops did say we were under arrest during the incident.

it's been 6 months and I haven't received any letters that tell me to show up to court to defend against charges.

I'm worried because the company I work for has business in the states and I'm lined up to take a bigger role potentially in american markets a few years from now. I really don't want this to have an adverse effect on my career.

how long does it take for summons notices to appear in the mail?

is it possible the incident was never filed? is it possible the arrest was never filed or I was never charged?

how can i completely clear my record so no record of the incident exists? I want to be able to do this before I attempt crossing the border so they are never aware.
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Clara Blytheworth - Sun, 14 Feb 2016 02:25:06 EST d9L4L80t No.45121 Reply
>>45120
call the pd you were "Arrested" in and ask. give them your name and shit and then just go idk, i thought i was getting tickets. they will run your shit. from the sounds of it you got let off. how it goes in the states is you get a summons ticket then RoRed. as far as how quick shit comes from the courts. you will get papers within a month typically.
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Edwin Diddlestock - Sun, 14 Feb 2016 14:23:37 EST U23++ADK No.45122 Reply
>>45120
You likely would have gotten a ticket or summons to appear in court. well in the US anyway. I would imagine they were just messing with you. Chances are they just made a report about a 'contact' ran your names and nothing more. Nothing that would be readily and easily searchable in my opinion.

But could contact the police department and see if there could be a warrant for an arrest
if you failed to appear, if they were being scum and didn't offer you a summons to appear or ticket to pay a petty fine or dispute the fine in court.

Tax Fraud

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- Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:15:27 EST t8dRDXLN No.45112
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I worked for a piece of shit a few months back that quit answering my phone on payday so I quit going.
Last week I got a W-2 reporting about a weeks worth of wages I never received.
I tried to call the number back and they said it's not them anymore but when I mentioned reporting it they got all buck so I know it's them.
How do I go about reporting this, I'm usually not one to tell, but fuck em.
The IRS website is confusing and I don't want to hire an attorney over $200 they never paid but I do think it would be pretty sweet to send this sleaze bag to federal pound me in the ass prison.
Are there any streamlined avenues to get this done or is it going to be a lengthy process filled with headaches?
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Jack Wallyworth - Wed, 10 Feb 2016 17:46:16 EST M8D6syjY No.45114 Reply
Like everything with the IRS there's a form for you to fill out. In this case it's a Form 3949 A.

Mail it in and you'll be fine.

Went to court today

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- Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:42:20 EST CFR/zaxX No.43691
File: 1417642940649.jpg -(147092B / 143.64KB, 800x540) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Went to court today
The last 2 months have been rough, I got caught in a club with drugs and got the whole doorman/police/cell shakedown. After no comment during interview I eventually ended up and court today.
The dumb idiots tested a crushed up pill as coke and the actual pills somehow didnt make the trial. So one false count of a class A possession instead of 2, even though it was the wrong drug.
My solicitor was smart and instead of letting me explain the bullshit confusion, which would had lead to more bullshit and another court date for ultimately the same charge, made my case simple. I had nothing to say throughout the whole thing except guilty and got a fine.
The police are incompetent as fuck and have no idea what drugs are. Glad this crap is over but really fuck them and this whole drug war. However Im glad it happened in some ways cause I dont wanna do drugs anymore and remembering this whole fiasco will keep me in check.
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Priscilla Trotham - Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:17:25 EST CFR/zaxX No.43744 Reply
>>43710
I shouldnt have pleaded guilty perhaps, but then a retest would have found that it was MDMA which is still class A..then they might have wanted me to explain why I had three bags of MDMA (powder and pills), then it gets complicated, they just want a simple story.. it wud all points towards ITS which in all honesty, is what it was...I cudnt have it hanging over my head any longer so the story was I went to a club, got drunk, bought coke and went to the toilet to do some. It was very stupid and I wont do it again, the end. Pigs still have my phone, lying scumbags
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Cornelius Sonnerville - Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:56:08 EST viBz2K2h No.43751 Reply
Dear lord, all this bitching over a fine?
My clients get heavy duty probation for the same type of plea and possibly prison time if they have priors. And even with probation, they're backing up years over their heads and have judges crazy enough to give them the full back-up if they fuck up probation in even the slightest.

So quit your "war on drugs" shit. The UK is paradise.

Also, your solicitor may have fucked up. What were you actually charged with, possessing the pills or cocaine? I would've gotten you acquitted.

I have this friend who got permanent nerve damage from a teflon pan

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- Tue, 12 Jan 2016 16:50:20 EST o/Ek/m4G No.45042
File: 1452635420897.jpg -(75377B / 73.61KB, 1500x998) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. I have this friend who got permanent nerve damage from a teflon pan
Is there anything this friend can do to be compensated by the pan company? They got teflon flu by cooking on low heat with this pan and its been more than a month and they're still shaky when they move their body in certain ways.
Does a person with low income have any chance? Its also a Korean company


This is the pan: http://amzn.com/B00SPUDQBC
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Reuben Cicklekore - Sat, 16 Jan 2016 13:44:07 EST U23++ADK No.45052 Reply
>>45050
Reasonable doubt, not even close to par with daytime fake courtroom drama.
All the comments,duuumb.

Really DuPont has settled many times for it's damages caused by it's products and practices. This item I believe claims 5 Teflon coatings, could be a flaw in the manufacturing process, as well documentation of this.

Not sure how long it stays in ones system but if one saw a doctor and saw above accepted levels of the chemical(s) and could correlate the physical conditions
to the exposure(s) then a case may be fairly straightforward. Time resource consuming but as it is now teflon as nice of a product it is intended to be,
has issues.
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Curious - Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:40:59 EST FaGbLTds No.45090 Reply
>>45044

It might not have been caused by the teflon itself, but some kind of binding agent, or a paint, or a spray or something.
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Eliza Decklefock - Fri, 05 Feb 2016 13:10:55 EST Nhoj62He No.45105 Reply
>>45090
you'll need to hire a doctor to examine the patent and makes the diagnosis that a PARTICULAR spray or chemical caused the issue or likely caused the issue. There are doctors out there that specialize in this sort of thing. However, if you're low income you probably won't be able to afford it.

Unwitting Antibiotic Treatment

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- Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:04:41 EST FaGbLTds No.45091
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So, I know that there are various laws against administering drugs to people against their will. These laws usually are referring to roofies and GHB and the like, and some even specifically say that the substance has to be "poisonous, noxious, or toxic" i.e.; adding extra sugar/water/kool-aid mix to someone's drink isn't illegal (unless the person was diabetic or something i guess... but that's unrelated) and I imagine putting something like an OTC medication in a child's pudding to make them eat is when they won't is also not illegal. But what if you're trying to, say, give someone antibiotics (you know 100% for sure there are no allergy concerns) because you *might* have given them an STI (the clap) but you're not sure, they are not symptomatic, but you want to give them a prophylactic anyway, just to be certain. Now, I suppose this may fall under something like "prescription abuse", but antibiotics aren't scheduled substances, and you can even get them for something called Patient-Delivered-Partner Therapy, where you can get an extra dose of the drugs for your partner, without the doctor having to see them. Now, I know the idea of PDPT is to tell your partner what happened, and have them take the drugs, but... idk. I know that giving someone any sort of medication against their will is kinda a socially unacceptable thing to do, even with a hot highway's worth of good intentions, but is it actually illegal if it doesn't have any effect whatsoever, other than possibly curing the person?...
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Rebecca Sinningset - Thu, 28 Jan 2016 07:45:59 EST JgrhRLWY No.45100 Reply
>>45095
Fuck your friend and her beta husband. No advice to be found here.
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Curious - Thu, 28 Jan 2016 11:51:53 EST FaGbLTds No.45101 Reply
>>45100

*shrug* fair enough. I thought this was /law/, not /moral/, my bad.
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Faggy Clipperspear - Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:44:40 EST PFZnnXGH No.45102 Reply
>>45101
Here's a /law/ answer: this is very illegal everywhere.

Murder

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- Sun, 24 Jan 2016 23:33:28 EST Sr8ww1UY No.45086
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Okay, bear with my vagueness for this, at the moment it is delicate.
I think I just solved a murder. I am certain beyond a reasonable doubt. I say solved but not in the sense I know who has done it; I haven't even attempted that yet but am certain I could with cursory research.
The event was ruled a suicide. I can prove it was not. I have at least three people who could witness to what I know is true. They are all in federal custody for what will most likely be there entire life.
The event happened 2000+ miles away and more than a decade ago. I have no involvement other than i know what did and did not happen. What is my next move?
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Esther Brondleson - Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:44:56 EST RGq8oVTZ No.45092 Reply
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Will do. Would have never thought about those groups but no, I don't think the case would be compromised. As a matter of fact I'm sure somones's been on to what I know before and called out the people for it, they just lack a proper understanding of key elements and evidence that they don't understand the ramifications of what they are saying, especially leos when asked to retort. I would be thoroughly surprised if you have not heard of this case- it's probably one of the most famous. However, I don't want to cause a stir because A) if foul play is at hand the suspect would have more than enough time to maneuver defensively and B) the federal prisoners have no prior exposure to the situation and would be testifying, as experts, on drug manufacturing. I wouldn't want to tarnish their thought processes in any way.

I'm no lawyer, I've just been involved with and worked for the aforementioned, and all entailing life circumstances but my part in the play is long over now and rectified with the judicial system and society.

I'm pooring more research into it during spare time but objectively speaking I have found nothing that could point to the conclusion that was accepted by the state and the people.
I think it's about finding the right person to get the ball rolling I suppose, me being not the most valuable member of society, however knowledgeable on a subject. I'd really like to pin the Potential murderer but I'm sure he or she has been preparing for this for years or is already dead.
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Curious - Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:14:55 EST FaGbLTds No.45096 Reply
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I think you should keep this up, especially if you think you can get the right thing done. Best of luck, and i'll check back this thread in a bit if you've replied at all. Feel free to ask me any other questions you have.
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Charlotte Gindlehood - Wed, 27 Jan 2016 22:50:11 EST Kd+sUt8p No.45098 Reply
Get NPR's Sarah Koenig in on the case.

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